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Friday, August 01, 2014

Democracy Now: The Gaza Health Ministry now says at least 50 Palestinians have been killed today in Gaza following the collapse of a U.S and U.N.-backed ceasefire. Hamas and Israel are blaming each other for violating the truce. Israel has launched a major operation to rescue a soldier captured earlier today. The Israeli Defense Forces just identified the soldier as Second Lieutenant Hadar Goldin. Hamas says the soldier was captured before the ceasefire began. The 72-hour ceasefire announced Thursday was supposed to bring Israeli and Palestinian representatives together in Cairo, but the outbreak of violence puts those talks in jeopardy. We speak with Yousef Munayyer, executive director of The Jerusalem Fund and its educational program, The Palestine Center. "We cannot go back to a status quo were a ceasefire ends rocket fire from the Gaza Strip but does not end the system of violence that is the siege ... enforced through the regular use of Israeli fire," Munayyer says. "You cannot call it a ceasefire while that system of violence still exists."

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Slow genocide.

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And stop sending more weapons into the area. Let them run out of ammo.

#1 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-01 03:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

We speak with Yousef Munayyer, executive director of The Jerusalem Fund and its educational program, The Palestine Center. "We cannot go back to a status quo were a ceasefire ends rocket fire from the Gaza Strip but does not end the system of violence that is the siege ... enforced through the regular use of Israeli fire," Munayyer says. "You cannot call it a ceasefire while that system of violence still exists."

Since this guy is to dumb to realize that hamas is the problem my response to him is ...to bad.

I bet the palestinians are feeling the effect of a really bad decision on their part.

rwd

#2 | Posted by rightwingdon at 2014-08-01 10:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Anticadillac, you sure do have the facts wrong as usual. Jews are not cowards nor are they genocidal. Targeting Hamas militants who are bombing you with rockets on a daily basis seems rational to me. Maybe you would just sit there and take it? No, Hamas as usual started this latest skirmish by rocket attacks into Israel, then when Israel responded they cried to the world that Israel was picking on them. If the palestinians want to live in peace then they should disband Hamas and elect real represenatives not terrorists.

#4 | Posted by mcmlcxx at 2014-08-02 01:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hamas as usual started this latest skirmish by rocket attacks into Israel

It isn't that simple. Everyone is "responding" in this battle. Hamas is responding to the killing of the Palestinian teen which was a response to the killing of the Israeli teens which was a response to the settlements which was a response to Hamas attacks which was a response to the occupation which was a response etc, etc, etc

#5 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-02 01:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

From Israeli David Harris-Gershon:

Netanyahu's narrative for how we've arrived at this conflict goes like this:

1) Hamas (who I find abhorrent) started firing rockets at Israel without incitement.
2) Israel restrained itself like no other country, until finally it had to act.
3) Israel wants to stop and sign a ceasefire, but Hamas won't do it.

The truth is much more complicated. See, what nobody talks about is how, minutes after Hamas and the Palestinian Authority signed a unity agreement on the evening of April 23, the initial phase of a long-sought reconciliation amongst Palestinians, Israel bombed Gaza, wounding 12 civilians. Israel claimed to have missed its target, a Hamas militant. However, most observers in Israel saw it for what it likely was: an effort to elicit rockets from Gaza and immediately imperil Palestinian reconciliation, which Netanyahu greatly fears.

From that moment, Netanyahu has made every effort to incite Hamas to violence. Tragically, he found such an opportunity when three Israeli teens were kidnapped in the West Bank on June 12. Despite denials by Hamas that it was involved and evidence it was perpetrated by rogue criminals, Netanyahu placed the blame squarely on Hamas, saying it would "pay a heavy price." For the next three weeks, despite evidence which now suggests Israeli authorities knew the teens had been killed immediately, Israel pummeled and ransacked West Bank communities, killing a number of Palestinians while arresting many more connected to Hamas. Israel's military was supposed to be looking for the teens. What it did, to nobody's surprise, was finally provoke Hamas to act, making Hamas equally culpable in the ongoing violence.

And now, here we are today, with Israel pummeling Gaza, killing innocent civilians while also destroying tunnels and weapons caches, claiming that the goal is to achieve quiet for Israel's citizens, who have been dodging Hamas rockets for weeks. Never mind that this goal cannot be attained by the current military operation, something history has repeatedly shown over the last seven years. Stopping rockets from being fired on a civilian population is a legitimate reason to be engaged in military actions.

Such a goal I wouldn't question, and if Israel had no hand in sparking the current violence, I would be much more reticent to critique its actions, as I too want the rocket fire to end. However, the problem is that this entire Gaza operation has not been about restoring quiet so much as destroying Palestinian reconciliation and the potential for an elected government which includes Hamas officials.

#7 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2014-08-02 02:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Netanyhahu new full damn well that Hamas had nothing to do with the kidnappings. He lied.

www.youtube.com

The real story.

#8 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-08-02 05:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

Quit obfuscating. You're wasting our time.

#9 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-08-02 05:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

minutes after Hamas and the Palestinian Authority signed a unity agreement on the evening of April 23,...

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu criticized the latest alliance during a meeting Wednesday with Austrian Foreign Minister Sebastian Kurz. "Every time we get to that point, Abbas stacks on an additional condition which he knows that Israel cannot give," the prime minister said. "So instead of moving toward peace with Israel, he's moving toward peace with Hamas."

"He has to choose," Netanyahu said. "Does he want peace with Hamas or peace with Israel? You can have one but not the other. I hope he chooses peace, but so far he hasn't done so."

Hamas is a vocal opponent of the peace process and has publicly stated it would never make peace with Israel.

Parse it any way you want the agreement between the fatah and hamas was just that, Israel was not a player. And by all accounts the joining of the two factions was a bad idea so your post really is much ado about nothing.
hamas by going forward with the unity government would lose control of gaza and that is all they have. They lost the support of Syria, Egypt and iran so they are by themselves. Interesting enough they still have popular support in gaza.

If the fatah wants peace they should find it on their own accord and put hamas out of the picture.

rwd

#10 | Posted by rightwingdon at 2014-08-02 05:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

RWD

2006:

Hamas has dropped its call for the destruction of Israel from its manifesto for the Palestinian parliamentary election in a fortnight, a move that brings the group closer to the mainstream Palestinian position of building a state within the boundaries of the occupied territories.

The Islamist faction, responsible for a long campaign of suicide bombings and other attacks on Israelis, still calls for the maintenance of the armed struggle against occupation. But it steps back from Hamas's 1988 charter demanding Israel's eradication and the establishment of a Palestinian state in its place.

The manifesto makes no mention of the destruction of the Jewish state and instead takes a more ambiguous position by saying that Hamas had decided to compete in the elections because it would contribute to "the establishment of an independent state whose capital is Jerusalem".

www.theguardian.com

In this instance, as the Israeli reporter I quoted above stated, Israel provoked this particular round of violence. They have precision guided weapons. They don't get to kill and wound thousands of civilians with no place to go and claim they 'missed'.

#11 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2014-08-03 04:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

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