Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Thursday, July 31, 2014

Former President Bill Clinton reportedly told a group of Australian businessmen 10 hours before the Sept. 11, 2001 terror attacks that he could have killed Osama Bin Laden. Sky News Australia claimed that only 10 hours before the first plane struck the World Trade Center, Clinton told a business group in Melbourne that he had a chance to kill Bin Laden but passed on it because the operation would have also killed hundreds of innocent civilians in Afghanistan. "Osama Bin Laden -- he's a very smart guy, I've spent a lot of time thinking about him -- and I nearly got him once," Clinton says on a never-before-released audio recording of his remarks. "I nearly got him. And I could have killed him, but I would have to destroy a little town called Kandahar in Afghanistan and kill 300 innocent women and children, and then I would have been no better than him." Hear the recording on Sky News Australia's Paul Murray Live.

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I guess it was more important to save thos 300 than 3,000 Americans.

#1 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-07-31 04:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Another headline FAIL... this one where the whole point is to cut the "quote" out of the context.

FOX at least had the integrity (that is, they knew they would be called on it if they did) to not put quote marks around their headline.

#1

Yes, because everyone knows Bubba is psychic. How stupid.

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-31 05:12 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

now now....we can argue over the collateral damage from getting OBL....but I respect the fact that Bill is willing to admit this.

#3 | Posted by eberly at 2014-07-31 05:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

I guess it was more important to save thos 300 than 3,000 Americans.

Are you having trouble figuring out how time works, Dalton?

#4 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-31 05:46 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 6

I have trouble thinking I would have made a different decision than he did under the circumstances. People were more optimistic back then. It raises the question of whether the world trade center attack would have been done both others in his absence.

#5 | Posted by LEgregius at 2014-07-31 06:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

I meant "by others"

#6 | Posted by LEgregius at 2014-07-31 06:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Clinton need not feel bad for having valued 300 lives.

#7 | Posted by Tor at 2014-07-31 06:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

I respect Clinton for not wanting to take 300 innocent lives. I still have some faith in humanity and I still think murder is wrong.

#8 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-07-31 06:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's refreshing to see Mr. Clinton be introspective.

#9 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-31 06:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

So could have bush.

#10 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-07-31 07:06 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

"I still have some faith in humanity and I still think murder is wrong."

Now where do I send my check to support late term abortion? DNC Headquarters?

#11 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-07-31 07:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

#1, "I guess it was more important to save thos 300 than 3,000 Americans" (sic)...Dalton

The article does not indicate that President Clinton knew about 9/11 before it happened, does it?

President Bush was warned.

We all remember that W attacked the intelligence briefer who was sent to warn him, saying "You have covered your ass".

W chose to ignore the warning.

Lets be true to the facts, Dalton.

#12 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2014-07-31 07:32 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Posted by DeadSpin

As long as we're playing the blame game - who was it who CREATED bin laden? REAGAN and the CIA.

#13 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-07-31 08:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

"who was it who CREATED bin laden? REAGAN and the CIA."

And who pissed him off against the United States?

George H.W. Bush by putting an Air Force base in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia to support the Persian Gulf War. On what is considered sacred ground Americans built a base and had female truck drivers without head scarves driving vehicles, alcohol being consumed, and many other "insults" to Islam.

#14 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-31 08:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Americans built a base and had female truck drivers without head scarves driving vehicles, alcohol being consumed,"

Oh... ok.. well... when you put it that way... it's a good thing to kill Americans. They might have female truck drivers without head scarves driving vehicles, and even alcohol being consumed.

#15 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-07-31 08:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

#13 ~ "...who was it who CREATED bin laden? REAGAN and the CIA."

#14 ~ "And who pissed him off against the United States?"

bin Laden WAS CIA, and was dead (from kidney disease) w/CIA using a stand-in posting the threats for 10 years before Obama faked his 2nd death. This was even in the last Iron Man movie (that bin Laden was a created character).

Clinton presided over the OK City bombing, which was also a false flag just like 9/11. There was NO one trying to prevent 9/11 except a few good FBI, who were thwarted & one murdered. After OK City bombing, in a precedent to the Patriot Act, Clinton gained more power ON PAPER than Hitler ever established. (Hitler bombed the govt bldg, a false flag, & blamed the Jews to get his genocide ball really rolling).

The only thing preventing a massive world genocide now is American gun ownership, and false flag shootings are occurring frequently to attempt to illegalize that. i wrote "massive" world genocide because it's already happening, but the plan is to kill billions & keep the Select to Survive under total surveillance as slaves.

Reagan had Alzheimers in his first term. HW Bush is overt CIA & handled the all biz alluded to in post #13, and the Bush/bin Laden family connection is not a secret whatsoever.

#17 | Posted by kenx at 2014-07-31 08:45 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 3 | Newsworthy 1

"Oh... ok.. well... when you put it that way... it's a good thing to kill Americans. "

I'm just reporting the facts of what happened not saying I agreed with Bin Laden's reaction to it. That said, a little bit of cultural sensitivity could have prevented an awful lot of animosity coming from same awfully dangerous people who started out as our "friends."

#18 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-31 09:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

On the conspiracy tip.

There are reports of Osama Bin Laden's death as early as 1996.

#19 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-31 09:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

Since Clinton is so honest he should reiterate his comment from 2004 when he said he thought saddam still had WMD's when he left office.

The opinion Hillary listened to but blamed GW for.

rwd

#20 | Posted by rightwingdon at 2014-07-31 10:16 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"I still have some faith in humanity and I still think murder is wrong."
Now where do I send my check to support late term abortion? DNC Headquarters?

#11 | POSTED BY SAMES1 AT 2014-07-31 07:27 PM | FLAG:

How many abortions have you had so far?

#21 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-07-31 10:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

The article caught my attention because I still remember Bill firing those cruise missiles after the embassy bombings. Here's CNN's old article on it

#22 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-07-31 10:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

As long as we're playing the blame game - who was it who CREATED bin laden? REAGAN and the CIA.
#13 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Well while we're playing the blame game, who was it that CREATED Reagan?

Hollywood and California...

Who created the CIA?

Roosevelt...

both Liberal entities.....

Blaming is easy.....

#23 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-31 11:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

This is not news to anyone who read the 9/11 report, it was clearly stated and known by all. He had several chances but decided against it because he was afraid of political ramifications.

We can also attribute the entire 9/11 lead up to Bill Clintons policy starting in Mogadishu for anyone interested in actually reading the 9/11 report. He cut and ran just as Bin Laden said he would after they shot down the Black Hawk Helicopters and paraded the dead Americans around the streets of Mogadishu. They knew that the liberal media of America would force Clinton to cut and run and they were right in calling us a "paper tiger".

Obama is even more so of one now ..

#24 | Posted by LouisS at 2014-07-31 11:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

#17 funny flag ~ that is, i'm a basket case. know what? i hope so. All the in depth psychological testing i've had indicates i am self-aware of my mental health deficits, and honest about them. And i know i'm not paranoid schizophrenic or a sociopath, nor have i ever been diagnosed as such. Since i was three i knew everything is a mask, and Life has never proven differently. i've always wanted to know what the ef was going on, and this explanation makes the most sense, to me, of the political models i've seen so far (it's called the Information Age, an effin glut of info to be filtered.) i WANT to be wrong, TRUST. however, i believe Things are just going to get unfunnier & unfunnier; and we're a few years if not months from REAL un-fun times in the U.S., may that prediction never come to pass. (The report of the Pacific Ocean being dead (another thread) came from an experienced seafarer who knows what it looked like teeming with Life. The ONLY life he saw on his last crossing was a whale with a tumor, that and tons of trash.)

#19 ~ thank you

#25 | Posted by kenx at 2014-07-31 11:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

#24Louiss tell me about Reagan and Lebenon.Somalia was GWHB's baby that Clinton inherited and it was supposed to be a humanitarian effort.

#26 | Posted by bruceaz at 2014-07-31 11:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Also,if you chose to remember,every action Clinton took was called "the tail wagging the dog" by his right wing oppoments.Remember that? Probably not.

#27 | Posted by bruceaz at 2014-07-31 11:59 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Clinton & HW Bush are fast friends, Barbara called him a son. They are playing for the same team, TRUST.

#28 | Posted by kenx at 2014-08-01 12:21 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Clinton & HW Bush are fast friends, Barbara called him a son. They are playing for the same team, TRUST.

#28 | Posted by kenx at

True
Clinton and H W Bush are indeed friends, I have no idea if Babs calls him son though

#29 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2014-08-01 12:31 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

They became friends later in life,they are part of a very small club thay we can't imagine.I really believe the debates win elections.Reagan "there you go again"Gore rolls his eyes during every comment.GWHB looks at his watch like he wants to go home.Just some random thoughts from me,.....bruce almighty.

#30 | Posted by bruceaz at 2014-08-01 12:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

1. There is no problem with the headline. It simply states the bare facts. Before 9/11 Clinton stated that he could have killed Bin Laden.

2. He made the right decision with the info he had at the time.

3. If Bin Laden had been killed prior to 9/11 by either Clinton or Bush it would have changed nothing in the long run. If the history of the last 13 years have taught us anything, it is that if you cut a head off the snake that is Al Qaeda it will just grow a new one and the plots go on. If anything I believe it would have just martyred Bin Laden for the plot and strengthened the resolved to carry it out.

#31 | Posted by moomanfl at 2014-08-01 12:42 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

.... Bin Laden was Funded by the CIA and the US Govt!

**** Total Self Serving Clinton B.S.! Osama Bin Laden had No Connection to the US Govt/Israel Instigated 911 Terror Attacks!

#32 | Posted by AntiCadillac at 2014-08-01 01:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Yeah he could have killed him"Vince Foster.....sarc

#33 | Posted by bruceaz at 2014-08-01 01:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

there has been no mention in comments about the world trade center bombing..NOT 9/11 but the first one....
why is that one not at least getting SOME attention if we're going to be so retrospective....or is a democrat president off limits to such investigations?

and this is just one time...

ON FOX today gutfeld I believe it was mentioned that MAYBE one of the drone kills was going to be the next OBL....I think that's a good point.

#34 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-08-01 01:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

Clinton and H W Bush are indeed friends, I have no idea if Babs calls him son though

Posted by PunchyPossum

That's so sweet...there are several women and a wife that do call him a son-______.

#35 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2014-08-01 03:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

Yea Bill but ya didn't.

#36 | Posted by fresno500 at 2014-08-01 03:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

[Babs: Bill treats George like a fathet.]

www.nydailynews.com

#37 | Posted by kenx at 2014-08-01 04:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

I guess it was more important to save thos 300 than 3,000 Americans.

#1 | POSTED BY DALTON AT 2014-07-31 04:56 PM | FLAG:

What a stupid comment. How would Clinton have known that?

I bet you give W a pass on "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in the US".

#38 | Posted by 726 at 2014-08-01 07:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

I guess it was more important to save thos 300 than 3,000 Americans.
Are you having trouble figuring out how time works, Dalton?

#4 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2014-07-31 05:46 PM | FLAG:

Ever since he saw Hot Tub Time Machine.

#39 | Posted by 726 at 2014-08-01 07:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

Clinton presided over the OK City bombing, which was also a false flag just like 9/11.

I remember when he used that to go to war with South Dakota.

#40 | Posted by 726 at 2014-08-01 07:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

"why is that one not at least getting SOME attention if we're going to be so retrospective....or is a democrat president off limits to such investigations?"

Oh, you mean the bombing that caused the Clinton administration to track down the bombers and put them in prison where they still are today?

#41 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-01 07:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Since Clinton is so honest he should reiterate his comment from 2004 when he said he thought saddam still had WMD's when he left office."

But he didn't stupidly invade and occupy Iraq, much to his credit and much to Dubya's shame.

#42 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-01 07:56 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

But he didn't stupidly invade and occupy Iraq, much to his credit and much to Dubya's shame.

#42 | POSTED BY DANNI

What a interesting game!

But Nixon didn't stupidly invade and occupy Vietnam, much to his credit and much to Kennedy/Johnson's shame.

#43 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2014-08-01 08:24 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

He did bomb the ---- out of Cambodia though...

#44 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2014-08-01 08:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

You dip____s understand that Bin Laden had attacked a navy ship and two embassies prior to 9-11 so Clinton knew the guy was a bad actor in the world. So spare me the "he didn't know" crap. I had a cousin that was on the Cole when it was attacked and was literally feet away from other sailors that died that day.

#45 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-08-01 09:01 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

And another thing to you that want to re write history. Charlie Wilson a democrat is the congressman that pushed for arming Bin Laden against the Russians. Not Reagan.

#46 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-08-01 09:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Charlie Wilson, a 12-term Texas congressman who was best known for his playboy ways until he masterminded a covert effort to funnel billions of dollars in arms to Afghan rebels fighting the Soviets in the 1980s, died Wednesday in Lufkin, Tex. He was 76."

#47 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-08-01 09:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Mr. Wilson's exploits to provide as much as $5 billion in arms to Afghan rebels were the subject of a book and the 2007 movie "Charlie Wilson's War," directed by Mike Nichols. Tom Hanks portrayed Mr. Wilson and Julia Roberts played Joanne Herring, the conservative Houston socialite who first interested Mr. Wilson, a Democrat, in aiding the Afghans.

A former president of Pakistan, Gen. Mohammad Zia ul-Haq, said it was hard to understate Mr. Wilson's role. "All I can say is, ‘Charlie did it,' " he said on "60 Minutes" in 1988."

From the NY Times.

#48 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-08-01 09:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Mr. Wilson was able to help the Afghans from his seat on the House Appropriations Committee and from another on its subcommittee on foreign operations.

The Soviets had invaded Afghanistan in 1979, invited by the pro-Communist government there in the face of an insurgency.

After he visited a refugee camp in Pakistan at the urging of Ms. Herring and saw wounded and maimed Afghan guerrilla fighters, Mr. Wilson vowed to help them and became a key figure in Congress for doing so, overtly pushing for humanitarian aid and covertly obtaining military help, a risky endeavor against a rival superpower. He often gathered his colleagues' support by voting for military contracts that would serve their districts.

From a few million dollars in the early 1980s, support for the resistance grew to $750 million a year by the end of the decade. The financing was funneled to Afghanistan in secret by Mr. Wilson and other lawmakers.

#49 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-08-01 09:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

What Clinton means is that one time he almost had the opportunity to kill Bin Laden by lobbing some missiles. He knew what anyone who was paying attention knew - that Bin Laden was going to keep attacking us because it was an established pattern and Bin Laden always promise more. Clinton was unwilling to do anything more controversial than lobbing missiles at locations Americans couldn't find on a map. So he "kinda shoulda got him that one time" and that was as close as Clinton was willing to come to mitigating the threat. Then he passed the buck to the next idiot who didn't make it a priority either.

As I watched the 2nd plane hitting the WTC from out an office window, I immediately knew who was responsible and cursed Clinton under my breath. Watching him get all ticked off in interviews when asked about criticism that he didn't do enough would be funny if the punchline weren't thousands of dead people.

#50 | Posted by sully at 2014-08-01 09:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

"The help went beyond money. When the Soviets deliberately killed camels and mules to cripple the Afghan fighters' supply lines, he flew in Tennessee mules. When the Central Intelligence Agency refused to provide the guerrillas with field radios for fear that mujahedeen transmissions would be picked up by the Soviets, he sent an aide to Virginia to buy $12,000 worth of walkie-talkies from a Radio Shack outlet.

Particularly helpful were Stinger missiles from the United States, which were used to shoot down Russian helicopters and became what many consider a decisive factor in wearing down the Soviets. By February 1989, the Soviets had withdrawn and the United States ended its support."

It's funny a democrat armed bin laden creating al queda and a democrat has provided air support for jihadist in Lybia. Then the same democrat wants to arm jihadist in Syria.

#51 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-08-01 09:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

I immediately knew who was responsible and cursed Clinton under my breath. Watching him get all ticked off in interviews when asked about criticism that he didn't do enough would be funny if the punchline weren't thousands of dead people.

#50 | Posted by sully at 2014-08-01 09:24 AMFlag: (Choose)
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I was on a golf course in Gulf Shores Alabama about to tee off when I saw one of the course employees riding out on a cart. I thought what the hell is this guy doing? He was driving down the middle of the fairway. Anyway, he told me and the guy I was golfing with that a plane had hit the WTC and I thought of the plane that hit the empire state building many many years ago. Then he says that all of a sudden while they were watching the news that another plane hit the 2nd tower. I said immediately that we've been attacked and it was bin laden. I only really knew this b/c as I said I had a cousin on the Cole that almost died and I had been reading up on bin laden.

#52 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-08-01 09:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

THERE FRIENDS!! omg well if i were golfer id probably have friends that were golfers wouldnt i? of course presidents become friends

#53 | Posted by reupman at 2014-08-01 11:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

-cursed Clinton under my breath.

For not murdering 300 woman and children to get bin Laden?

Interesting. Dumb, but interesting.

And the Charlie Wilson Deflection from the post at #1?

I haven't the words....

#54 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-01 11:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

"For not murdering 300 woman and children to get bin Laden?"

No, I didn't say that. Why are you that making that up?

I cursed him for not taking the threat seriously enough to mitigate it. The premise that this was his only opportunity to get it done is false. This was his only easy, low possibility of controversy way to get it done. There is a difference. This should have been a high prority after the embassy bombings. It wasn't.

"Interesting. Dumb, but interesting."

Your strawman was dumb and uninteresting. As are you motivations for defending Clinton on hits.

#55 | Posted by sully at 2014-08-01 11:27 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

-not taking the threat seriously enough to mitigate it.

Ah, so you know for a fact that he had the opportunity, but just didn't want to kill bin Laden.

Swell, tell us all about it...

#56 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-01 11:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

It was a question, btw, so saying it was a strawman is a little, er, dramatic.

#57 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-01 11:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

so you know for a fact that he had the opportunity, but just didn't want to kill bin Laden.

This story quotes him basically saying that, but it IS the NY Daily News, so there is a greater than average chance this story was already rejected by the Enquirer for a lack of evidence.

#58 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-01 11:34 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

"Ah, so you know for a fact that he had the opportunity, but just didn't want to kill bin Laden."

I know he would have killed Bin Laden if a golden opportunity fell into his lap but he was unwilling to take more aggressive measures that may have resulted in criticism.

I knew when I posted this criticism you would knee jerk defend him on this.

#59 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-01 11:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

The only missiles Bill ever launched hit an Afghan pharmacy and Monica's dress.

#60 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-08-01 11:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

-he was unwilling to take more aggressive measures that may have resulted in criticism.

lol, 20-20 hindsight is SO perfect, ain't it? And "mind reading" his motivation or lack there of is... pretty near psychic. You woulda "got her done", right?

W proved thru public statements he didn't really care, and even after Obama made it a priority, getting bin Laden was not as easy as you seem to think it should have been.

But OK, everyone is entitled to their opinion, no matter how silly it is.

I knew when I saw this thread you would knee jerk criticize him on this, lmao.

#61 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-01 11:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

Q: Did Bill Clinton pass up a chance to kill Osama bin Laden?

A: Probably not, and it would not have mattered anyway as there was no evidence at the time that bin Laden had committed any crimes against American citizens.

www.factcheck.org

#62 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-01 11:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

"getting bin Laden was not as easy as you seem to think it should have been."

pre 9-11 and post 9-11 are completely different with regards to how elusive Bin Laden had to be.

However, this argument crossed the stupid mark about 30 posts ago.

I agree that hindsight is 20/20. Bill probably regretted not getting OBL at almost any cost right after 9-11.

#63 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-01 11:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Q Did Bill Clinton pass up a chance to kill Osama bin Laden?

A: Probably not,"

Bill claimed otherwise.

#64 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-01 11:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

"lol, 20-20 hindsight is SO perfect, ain't it?"

LOL, it is not hindsight, Einstein.

Not all of us are vapid cheerleaders. Some of us actually pay attention to what is going on and think critically about how our leaders react to events, without regard for the letters after their names. During his presidency I was amazed and concerned by his lack of reaction to repeated attacks from people who were promising more. There is a reason why I knew who was behind 9/11 as I watched it happening. If I was critical about his half hearted, token response to Bin Laden's repeated attacks during his presidency, 9/11 certainly wasn't going to change that opinion now was it?

Look, you're a stooge who roots for a party like a sports team and for whatever reason you're not embarassed by the fact. Fine. Do your thing. Just don't expect me to buy into the notion that your predictable comments in defense of Clinton are based on credible thoughts rather than blind loyalty. You've chosen to be a puppet and that is how you are perceived.

#65 | Posted by sully at 2014-08-01 12:26 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

I guess I shouldn't post the historical facts as related at FactCheck. org.

It makes people babble incoherently.

#66 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-01 12:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

What's funny is that Corky babbles about hindsight being 20/20 but can't even admit that Clinton didn't do enough even after 9/11. Having a skyscrapers dropped on our heads didn't even clue him in. Apparently, some people are even blind in hindsight.

#67 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-01 12:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

What's funny is your assigning of motivation and talking about me rather than defending what you said.... and totally ignoring the historic facts posted.

Old Clinton Haters never die, they just smell like it.

#68 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-01 12:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

i blame our 14th president-- franklin pierce. did you know that franklin pierce once had a chance to drop a cartoon anvil on top of bin laden's great-great-great grandmother's head, but, whether it was due to indecision or just plain cowardice, he didn't.

stupid pierce-- a man of monumental littleness.

#69 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-08-01 12:48 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Old Clinton Haters never die, they just smell like it."

nope. they just stay married to him for another 20+ years...

#70 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-08-01 12:49 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

nope. they just stay married to him for another 20+ years...

Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-08-01 12:49 PM | Reply

If it weren't for Bill. Hillary wouldn't be where she is today.

#71 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-01 12:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

"What's funny is your assigning of motivation"

Anyone who posts here regularly knows exactly what you are. That you think you aren't obvious is hiliarious.

"rather than defending what you said...."

I did defend what I said and you had no answer. You just pretended that something you posted earlier addressed what I said when it didn't. You have a habit of pretending your links say things that they don't.

"totally ignoring the historic facts posted."

I never said he passed up a chance to get OBL. I said he didn't proactively do enough to get him. I said so at the time and that more should have been done was proven true by later events that are now "historical facts".

Only moron would claim that people who wanted Clinton to do more about OBL were wrong.

#72 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-01 01:01 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Only moron would claim that people who wanted Clinton to do more about OBL were wrong.

#72 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-01 01:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Everyone forgets that when the 9-11 committee was doing their investigation ol Sandy Bergler was stuffing classified documents in his socks. I wonder why Clinton's national security advisor felt the need to steal thos items?

#73 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-08-01 01:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

- I said he didn't proactively do enough to get him.

Which is contradicted by the facts posted... plus, you have no way of "knowing" that anyway, something that is obvious to everyone.

"Clinton left office about nine months before the Sept. 11 attacks but had focused on Bin Laden as the mastermind of the bombings of U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Kenya in 1998 that killed more than 200 people."

www.reuters.com

The Clinton Hater says he KNOWS that Bubba didn't focus on this hard enough.... which is kinda like Babbles saying he "knows" his horse wasn't really trying at the track today.

#74 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-01 01:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Berger reached a plea deal with federal prosecutors in April to avoid a jail sentence.

At that time, he said the reason he took the documents was so he could prepare himself and others to assist the 9/11 commission, which investigated the circumstances surrounding the 2001 terrorist attacks and published a report of its findings last year.

The documents taken by Berger dealt with the terror threats during the 2000 millennium celebration, according to parties in the case.

According to the charges, Berger -- between September 2 and October 2, 2003 -- "knowingly removed classified documents from the National Archives and Records Administration and stored and retained such documents at places," such as his private Washington office.

Berger's associates admit he took five copies of an after-action report detailing the 2000 millennium terror plot from the Archives. The aides say Berger returned to his office, discovered that three of the copies appeared to be duplicates and cut them up with scissors."

From CNN

The obvious conclusion is that there was something to hide b/c why would you risk going to jail over nothing?

#75 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-08-01 01:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Which is contradicted by the facts posted..."

You're lying. Nothing I said is contradicted by anything you've posted.

You can post 1,000 links about how much hand wringing Clinton did about OBL and it will never change the fact that there was very little action taken to do anything about him.

"The Clinton Hater..."

Corky falls back on the 13 year old girl defense of dismissing icky thoughts as coming from "haters" when he's got nothing else.

#76 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-01 01:22 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

You dip____s understand that Bin Laden had attacked a navy ship and two embassies prior to 9-11 so Clinton knew the guy was a bad actor in the world. So spare me the "he didn't know" crap. I had a cousin that was on the Cole when it was attacked and was literally feet away from other sailors that died that day.

#45 | POSTED BY DALTON

And another thing to you that want to re write history. Charlie Wilson a democrat is the congressman that pushed for arming Bin Laden against the Russians. Not Reagan.

#46 | POSTED BY DALTON

You, sir, are a liar or an idiot.

The USS Cole bombing was in October, 2000. Clinton had three months left in office. If your friend nearly died, you'd remember this date. His opportunity referred to in the article was in 1998. I believe it was shortly after the embassy bombings. Kandahar is a city of 400,000 people at that time.

Charlie Wilson armed the mujahideen. al-Qaeda wasn't formed as a real group until the late 1980's and hadn't taken over in Afghanistan until after 1993. Bin Laden basically had nothing to do with the mujahideen or the insurgency during the conflict. And in fact if Congress hadn't completely lost interest in the mujahideen after they expelled the Soviets and refused to assist in rebuilding the country, the radical elements never would have taken over. Pretty sure Charlie Wilson, a Democrat, warned of this.

Oh....and stop using the movie to decide your talking points. Charlie Wilson really didn't do as much arming in Afghanistan as people give him credit. The Stinger missiles and larger weapons were actually pushed by Reagan defense officials in his second term. Wilson was more skeptical of them at first.

#78 | Posted by Sycophant at 2014-08-01 03:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

-there was very little action taken to do anything about him.

Either lying or an NSA agent.... I think we know which it is.

#79 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-01 03:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Either lying or an NSA agent.... I think we know which it is.

#79 | Posted by Corky

You are calling Sully an NSA agent?

#80 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-01 03:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Are you still tailing me?

When you could be learning how to read...

#81 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-01 03:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

Q: Did Bill Clinton pass up a chance to kill Osama bin Laden?

A: Probably not, and it would not have mattered anyway as there was no evidence at the time that bin Laden had committed any crimes against American citizens.

www.factcheck.org
#62 | POSTED BY CORKY

#82 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-01 03:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

#78 See psychophant I was talking about overall the attacks on US interest prior to 9-11. Second it was my cousin and I assure you she was on that ship. I've posted snipets from the NY Times on this very thread that show what Charlie Wilson did. I'm not using the movie dip___. I'm using the NY Times. If you bothered to read the thread you would notice that someone put all of the arming on Reagan. I'm just proving it's a lie. If you don't think sending 5 billion in the 80's to mujahideen is a small roll then I can't help you.

#83 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-08-01 03:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Are you still tailing me?"

Like all Kardashians, you have to deal with paparazzi.

At least he's not jelly like your haterz.

#84 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-01 03:57 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

I actually expected more from Sully than resorting to pure ad hominem when his claims are shown to be anti-historical and mostly just prejudiced opinions that he has mistaken for facts.

But then, I'm not sure why as it has become his MO.

#85 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-01 04:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I actually expected more from Sully than resorting to pure ad hominem when his claims are shown to be anti-historical"

You're lying about that. You want to claim that "thinking about Bin Laden at night" is the same thing as taking concrete steps to mitigate the threat and that will never be true. Your links don't address what I was talking about at all. You've been told this and continue to lie and claim they do.

And they don't even prove what you claim they do. Did Clinton pass up on a chance to get OBL? And the answer is "Probably not". You realize that isn't "no", right? In fact, its mentioned that Clinton changed his story, with the later version making him look better. You'd have to be pretty gullible to not realize the original version was probably the truth.

I don't know why get off on making me repeat myself but congratulations on making me explain to you for the third time that you have never addressed anything I said and you'e lying when you claim you have.

As for calling you a Kardashian, if you want to argue like one with your "hater" garbage then expect to be addressed as one.

Have a crappy weekend. ;)

#86 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-01 04:18 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

You are calling Sully an NSA agent?

#80 | Posted by nullifidian

Are you going to answer the question?

#87 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-01 04:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

- taking concrete steps

You have not clue one what steps were taken... only the prejudiced opinion that whatever they were, they were not enough.

- not realize the original version was probably the truth.

Hilarious. A conclusion was reached and since it wasn't the same as your opinion, then it could not be true.

You make Eddie look less than special.

- you have never addressed anything I said

You said - Clinton was unwilling to do anything more controversial than lobbing missiles at locations Americans couldn't find on a map.

Reuters said he was focused on bin Laden after the Embassy strikes and Factcheck said he probably never passed up on a chance to kill bin Laden... and it would not have mattered anyway as there was no evidence at the time that bin Laden had committed any crimes against American citizens.

Of course, as mentioned, you have no idea what steps he took other than the few in public reports.

#88 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-01 04:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bill Clinton is an unusually good liar"

- Bob Kerry, Democrat, 1996.

#89 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-01 04:32 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

-Are you going to answer the question?

Are you going to take a reading comprehension course? I'm sure your local jr. college has one.

#90 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-01 04:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Are you going to take a reading comprehension course? I'm sure your local jr. college has one."

You talk like a teenage girl. Why do you hate jr. colleges? Hater!

#91 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-01 04:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

The only Valley Girl here is you.

What I said was obvious, your habit pretending ignorance though is now in question as to the pretending part.

#92 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-01 04:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

So do you deny calling Sully an NSA agent?

#93 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-01 04:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

#93

Nihilists are by definition meaningless as are their stupid questions.

#94 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-01 04:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'll take that as a "no". lol

#95 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-01 04:53 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

You can take it however you like, VG.

Anyone else reading what I said knows what was written.

#96 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-01 04:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Hilarious. A conclusion was reached and since it wasn't the same as your opinion, then it could not be true."

A conclusion would be yes or no. "Probably" is not a conclusion.

And you're telling Nulli to brush up on reading comprehension?

#97 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-01 04:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

"You can take it however you like, VG."

Ok, Carlyle.

#98 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-01 04:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Reuters said he was focused on bin Laden after the Embassy strikes"

And DID what?

"and Factcheck said he probably never passed up on a chance to kill bin Laden..."

That's not the same as proactively seeking to eliminate the threat, which is what I was saying he should have been doing when he was president.

"and it would not have mattered anyway as there was no evidence at the time that bin Laden had committed any crimes against American citizens."

That's bullcrap. If I knew he was responsible for the attacks and Clinton was 'focusing' on him then obviously this isn't true.

"Of course, as mentioned, you have no idea what steps he took other than the few in public reports."

If he had done any more than is publicly known he would have said something. He gets very pissy about this stain on his legacy.

#99 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-01 04:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

- "Probably" is not a conclusion.

Of course it is a conclusion. In all likelihood the proposition was false.

People get so stupid defending the stupid things they say.

Like stupidly saying that it is obvious that Bill Vlinton wasn't interested in getting bin Laden and didn't do everything he should have to make sure it was done.

In all likelihood false.

But hey, keep mistaking your prejudices for facts. It's kinda fun, watching someone devolve.

#100 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-01 05:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Bill Vlinton "

Thinking about shirtless Vlad, again?

#101 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-01 05:07 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Clinton's own admission renders that ridiculous factcheck link moot. He, by his own admission, pass up on an opportunity to kill bin laden.

#102 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-08-01 05:08 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#101

Playing stupid, or not playing... that is the question.

#103 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-01 05:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

#102

lmao! "300 wimmens and chillens! Kill 'em all!"

You know, is is still funny occasionally.

#104 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-01 05:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

he is

#105 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-01 05:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

That's not the same as proactively seeking to eliminate the threat, which is what I was saying he should have been doing when he was president.

Not being a big fan of Clinton, he was rather proactive given the perceived level of threat, I am not going to sit there and play monday morning QB, just like with Bush. These guys are doing something, the system sometimes works against them, sometimes the system is lucky, sometimes the system works....

The only question is did he do enough given the perceived threat....

www.washingtonpost.com

#106 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-08-01 05:27 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

The only question is did he do enough given the perceived threat....

www.washingtonpost.com

#106 | Posted by AndreaMackris

While Congress was busy fixating the country on Bill's ------- and dress stains Osama Bin Laden was laughing at us and making plans to bring down our entire economy from his Jihad Cave.

#107 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-01 05:31 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

The arguments that Clinton should have been willing to go after Bin Laden regardless of the civillian casualties it caused are exactly the same arguments being presented right this minute by Israelis who are indiscriminately slaughtering Palestinians. Some folks here will agree with the Israeli position, some will condemn it but if you want to criticize Clinton don't be a hypocrite and condemn the Israelis today. I don't take a position either way, I believe Clinton did what he thought, at the time, was the best thing to do and I try not to judge the Israelis today though that gets more difficult by the day in spite of the constant rocket attacks fired by Hamas. Comparing the Bin Laden attacks or the actions of the Israelis today with the unnecessary war and occupation of Iraq is ridiculous because Saddam Hussein was not attacking anyone at the time and we know from PNAC that the neocons had planned this invasion and occupation for reasons that had nothing to do with national security.

#109 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-02 11:13 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

-Not being a big fan of Clinton, he was rather proactive given the perceived level of threat, I am not going to sit there and play monday morning QB

You aren't Sully.

#107

Good point. The rwingers could have been on Osama's payroll for all the help they were.

#110 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-02 11:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'm no fan of Clinton because he economically harmed the USA in numerous ways. That said, Bush 2 had his eye on OBL like a burned out laser. He was on vacation cutting brush when the CIA was giving him a major heads-up that OBL was determined to attack.

Subsequent to 9-11 the media oddly turned him into a hero with a megaphone photo op instead of questioning the supposed establishment theories around 9-11 and Bush's failure to defend the USA. The result of this ineptness was a 12 year major expansion of US debt and oligarchical wealth, and a major decline in the rights of Americans, and a new belief that USA Presidents can do what they wish.

#111 | Posted by Robson at 2014-08-02 11:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Not being a big fan of Clinton, he was rather proactive given the perceived level of threat, I am not going to sit there and play monday morning QB"

Its not playing Monday Morning QB if I thought he wasn't doing enough while he was president.

Anyone who was paying attention understood the threat. Its not hard to blow people up. Clinton understood the threat just fine and just didn't want to rock the boat too much.

#112 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-02 02:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

-just didn't want to rock the boat too much.

Amazing psychic ability... or just pulling motivations out of his butt and assigning them to people he doesn't like anyway.

#113 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-03 10:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

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