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Thursday, July 31, 2014

House Republicans failed to pass their own bill to address the border crisis Thursday as efforts to build support among conservative members collapsed. Unable to shore up enough votes, House Speaker John Boehner pulled the doomed legislation, which would have provided $659 million in emergency aid to the U.S. border. Lawmakers are now poised to leave Capitol Hill for a five-week recess without passing any funding relief for the southwestern border, where a flood of some 57,000 unaccompanied minors have been apprehended since October, straining immigration resources and facilities beyond capacity.

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Steve Benen of MaddowBlog writes:

It's hard to overstate what a humiliating failure this is for the House Republican leadership team, especially House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio). ...

In a statement, Boehner blamed President Obama for Republicans' inability to pass their own legislation and urged the president to take unilateral action regardless of Congress. The timing is breathtaking: literally yesterday, GOP lawmakers voted to sue Obama for circumventing Congress, and less than 24 hours later, Boehner is publicly urging Obama to circumvent Congress.

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"Being forced to pull such a crucial bill from the floor only minutes before a scheduled vote is a major embarrassment for Boehner and Scalise, despite leadership's insistence that the bill had "the support not just of a majority of the majority in the House, but most of the House Republican Conference."

Not only did Ted Cruz come over from the Senate to help stir up the Tea Partiers to quash Boehner's Bill, but then the GOP admonished President Obama that he should take action on his own!!

How's that irony meter?

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-31 03:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

It must suck to be AFK and Boaz right about now. Blaming it solely upon LIBERALS. BWHAHAHA

#2 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-31 03:36 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

You just can't make this stuff up. Yesterday, the House voted to sue Obama for executive overreach and today the Speaker invites him to do the job the Congressional Republicans refuse to do.

The GOP is going to ruin November and they don't even realize the circular firing squad they've armed and aimed at themselves. They've even got advice from pundits reinforcing their non-stop recalitrance:

If the GOP does nothing, and if Republicans explain that there's no point acting due to the recalcitrance of the president to deal with the policies that are causing the crisis, the focus will be on the president. Republican incumbents won't have problematic legislation to defend or questions to answer about what further compromises they'll make. Republican challengers won't have to defend or attack GOP legislation.

And with nothing passed in either house (assuming Senate Republicans stick together and deny Harry Reid cloture today), immigration won't dominate August -- except as a problem the president is responsible for and refuses seriously to address. Meanwhile, the GOP can go on the offensive on a host of other issues. www.weeklystandard.com


If this doesn't prove the cynical reality of false equivalence between the party's responsibilities and actions then nothing will.

#3 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-07-31 03:44 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Just posted another thread-link with more damning quotations Corky. Hopefully RCade will join them and banner this breaking news.

#4 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-07-31 03:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Where's a Senate bill?

Oops. Spending bills are supposed to originate in the House. Nevermind.

Funny that Obamacare, which entails massive spending, originated in the Senate.

#5 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-31 04:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Pish Posh!
None of these members are of any significance within the GOP --- therefore it's all irrelevant and unimportant.
And it's just another democrat plot created by the White House.

#6 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-07-31 04:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Where's a Senate bill?

Oops. Spending bills are supposed to originate in the House. Nevermind.

Funny that Obamacare, which entails massive spending, originated in the Senate.

Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-31 04:04 PM | Reply

www.forbes.com

In sum, under Supreme Court precedent, the presence of another constitutional power does not suggest that a provision is not a "Bill[] for raising Revenue," and the absence of another constitutional power does not, in itself, suggest that it is. Because the existence of another power is not necessary (or sufficient) to exempt a bill from the Origination Clause, the mere fact that Section 5000A may have been enacted solely pursuant to Congress's taxing power does not compel the conclusion that the entire Affordable Care Act is a "Bill[] for raising Revenue" subject to the Origination Clause. Where, as here, the Supreme Court has concluded that a provision's revenue-raising function is incidental to its primary purpose, the Origination Clause does not apply. The analysis is not altered by the fact that the shared responsibility payment may in fact generate substantial revenues.

#7 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-31 04:23 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Nice link and nice snippet, Larry.

I guess that explains why no lawsuit has been filed regarding a violation of the origination clause.

Nice work and thank you for providing this.

#8 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-31 04:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

#4

yeah, TR, here's another great headline...

Border crisis bill derails in House amid Cruz-inspired disarray

House GOP leaders bristled at the senator's interference on their turf. Rep. Pete King (R-N.Y.) said Cruz had "hijacked" the Republican Party. Democrats jokingly referred to "Speaker Cruz."

Ultimately, Boehner was pressured into attaching a Cruz-inspired bill that would halt the administration's Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program giving 500,000 young immigrants legal status if they remain in school or join the military.

Cruz had similar legislation in the Senate but was unable to get a vote in that chamber. With a push from Cruz, the effort shifted to the House, where the bill also would have blocked any future legalization programs President Obama has promised to deliver later this year.

That's not the message Republicans want to send to Latino and immigrant voters on Congress' last day of business before the long August break for midterm election campaigning.

"The way Republicans have demonized the kids," said border-state Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.), "it's going to come back and bite them."

www.latimes.com

"Speaker Cruz."

That's gotta hurt, lmao.

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-31 05:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

And they wonder why Obama goes it alone...

#10 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-07-31 05:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Some sort of leadership.
Upon returning home, the repubs in Congress will continue to demonize Obama and promise free drinks at polling places, so long as no one looks at their individual and collective records of inaction...

#11 | Posted by catdog at 2014-07-31 05:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes Corky, Speaker Cruz actually has more juice than Boehner. The GOP is tearing itself apart before our eyes while the country festers in problems seeking solutions. There is no leadership, only opposition.

It's no way to run a political party much less the most dominant country on the planet while crises burn around the globe, including one at our own border.

#12 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-07-31 05:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's no way to run a political party much less the most dominant country on the planet while crises burn around the globe, including one at our own border.

#12 | Posted by tonyroma

Hey now...they managed to pass a bill to give John Boehner the authority to sue the President.

So it is not like they are doing absolutely nothing. Just mostly nothing.

#13 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-07-31 05:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

- There is no leadership, only opposition.

Which is almost verbatim what even Bob Dole said about the Republicans just a few days ago.

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-31 05:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

- There is no leadership, only opposition.
Which is almost verbatim what even Bob Dole said about the Republicans just a few days ago.

#14 | POSTED BY CORKY

On that point El Corko and I find ourselves in a rare moment of complete agreement.

#15 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-31 06:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

On that point El Corko and I find ourselves in a rare moment of complete agreement.

#15 | Posted by JeffJ

But only one of you seems to think it's a problem.

#16 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-07-31 06:21 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Tony and Corky said it - the best part is and (the GOP) urged the president to take unilateral action regardless of Congress.

#17 | Posted by YAV at 2014-07-31 06:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

and (the GOP) urged the president to take unilateral action regardless of Congress.
#17 | POSTED BY YAV

Is that what they really did?

Obama is conveniently citing a law passed in 2008 (as if he EVER adheres to and faithfully executes laws that are contrary to his agenda) as handcuffing him, but Feinstein points out that the law has provisions that give POTUS the power to deal with this type of problem.

My understanding is that they are urging the president to use these legislatively-created loopholes and stop this flow of illegals.

#18 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-31 06:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

But only one of you seems to think it's a problem.

#16 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT

I'm a registered Republican.

You are insane if you think I don't have a problem with the feckless lack of leadership this party has displayed in the last few years.

#19 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-31 06:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

#18 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

He overstepped his bounds once (thanks Congress). We don't want him doing it again, so let's be thankful at this point that he's not and hoping for Congress to DO THEIR GOD DAMN JOB WHICH THEY ABSOLUTELY REFUSE TO DO!

Sorry.....pent up frustration with the worst Congress in history - no debate or citation necessary.

#20 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-07-31 07:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hours go by with this headline on the front page and only JEFF has the ------ to hold his (R) card high with pride, albeit with an perceived interest in change for his beloved party.

Kudos to you Jeffe, but I'm much more interested in the apologists that can explain the GOP's reasoning regarding the thread's topic and it's development 24 hours post WH lawsuit.

#21 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-07-31 07:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hours go by with this headline on the front page and only JEFF has the ------ to hold his (R) card high with pride, albeit with an perceived interest in change for his beloved party.

I am seriously considering ditching my (R) card and registering Independent. These clowns suck.

#22 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-31 07:06 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

We don't want him doing it again, so let's be thankful at this point that he's not and hoping for Congress to DO THEIR GOD DAMN JOB WHICH THEY ABSOLUTELY REFUSE TO DO!

This administration has recently sent signals that it plans to lawlessly and unconstitutionally grant amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants which would be a FAR grosser constitutional violation that quickly deporting most of these recent arrivals under statutes contained within the very same '08 law that he claims is handcuffing him.

That doesn't change the fact that the House had an opportunity to take the lead on this and they failed.

Having said that, it ALSO doesn't change the fact that the Senate has done nothing and the administration has done nothing other than hint at a course of action that will set up a massive constitutional crisis.

#23 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-31 07:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

This administration has recently sent signals that it plans to lawlessly and unconstitutionally grant amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants which would be a FAR grosser constitutional violation that quickly deporting most of these recent arrivals under statutes contained within the very same '08 law that he claims is handcuffing him.

That doesn't change the fact that the House had an opportunity to take the lead on this and they failed.

Having said that, it ALSO doesn't change the fact that the Senate has done nothing and the administration has done nothing other than hint at a course of action that will set up a massive constitutional crisis.

Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-31 07:11 PM | Reply

He has the absolute Constitutional power to declare Amnesty.

www.npr.org

And it is a very real, if highly unlikely, option for the president. Article 2, Section 2 of the gives the president , even to the extent of granting amnesties to those who've violated federal law.

#24 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-31 07:23 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Naturalization is a power exclusively enumerated to Congress in the Constitution, Larry.

#25 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-31 07:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

www.usconstitution.net

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of impeachment

#26 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-31 07:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

Naturalization is a power exclusively enumerated to Congress in the Constitution, Larry.

#25 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-31 07:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

You are talking CITIZENSHIP. NOT Amnesty.

#27 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-31 07:30 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

There's a fundamental difference between granting 'amnesty' through the pardon process to US citizens on a limited basis and granting amnesty to millions of non-citizens who have entered this country illegally.

#28 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-31 07:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

There's a fundamental difference between granting 'amnesty' through the pardon process to US citizens on a limited basis and granting amnesty to millions of non-citizens who have entered this country illegally.

Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-31 07:30 PM | Reply

No Sir the US Constitution is applicable to ANYONE who is under its jurisdiction. The only ones it does not have Constitutional rights are Heads of State and Foreign diplomats and their immediate family members.

#29 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-31 07:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

www.usconstitution.net

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

#30 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-31 07:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

No Sir the US Constitution is applicable to ANYONE who is under its jurisdiction.

We've argued this point before and I think you are wrong.

Having said that, for the sake of argument I will cede you that point as it pertains to the narrow discussion of the possibility of Obama granting amnesty to non-citizens on a scale of a handful of MILLIONS.

Setting aside a potential constitutional crisis, it sets up a different crisis on a massive scale - granting amnesty for illegal entry to millions of people when over 70% recently polled want to see these very same people be deported.

This is potentially a riot-inducing move if they go through with it.

#31 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-31 07:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

Having said that, for the sake of argument I will cede you that point as it pertains to the narrow discussion of the possibility of Obama granting amnesty to non-citizens on a scale of a handful of MILLIONS.

Setting aside a potential constitutional crisis, it sets up a different crisis on a massive scale - granting amnesty for illegal entry to millions of people when over 70% recently polled want to see these very same people be deported.

This is potentially a riot-inducing move if they go through with it.

Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-31 07:41 PM | Reply

I'll throw out the infamous Cheney line when he was asked what he thought about the majority of Americans believe that we should withdraw from Iraq. He said so. I believe that if the undocumented have established themselves in America and doing what every other US Citizens does then Obama should grant amnesty. IF we are to be the beacon of hope and freedom. People will always hate people that go to great lengths to obtain what they themselves take for granted. Let em stew in their own misery.

#32 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-31 07:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

The problem with that, Larry, is that if we don't have laws governing immigration we are essentially lawless.

I believe that if the undocumented have established themselves in America and doing what every other US Citizens does then Obama should grant amnesty.

Then change/amend the existing immigration laws to reflect that.

Anything less is rule by man and not by law.

The process matters. In fact, the process is almost everything in a society of laws.

#33 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-31 08:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

..record do nothing Congress, that intend to blame Obama for their failings. Who knows how stupid Americans will interpret this extraordinary reality.

#34 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-31 08:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The survey, conducted by the Public Religion Research Institute and the Brookings Institution, found that 62 percent of Americans favor allowing illegal immigrants a way to become citizens, compared with 63 percent a year ago. An additional 17 percent said in the new poll that illegal immigrants should be able to become legal residents but not full citizens. Nineteen percent said they should be deported."

www.washingtonpost.com

#35 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-31 08:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

I've said this numerous times.

Neither party is actually interested in "securing the border".

That's just something the media uses to keep the knee jerkers jerking.

#36 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-31 08:16 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"The process matters. In fact, the process is almost everything in a society of laws."

PRocess should never matter more than morality. In several famous cases in our history "process" was valued higher than morality, we always regretted it later when we let that happen.

#37 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-31 08:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

PRocess should never matter more than morality.

What's 'morality'?

Ask an abortionist and a rabid pro-lifer and you will get profoundly different asnwers.

As a society we can't define morality without first adhering to the process.

#38 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-31 08:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

"PRocess should never matter more than morality."

You're wrong

#39 | Posted by eberly at 2014-07-31 08:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Maybe we can all show up in Mexico and cause them to spend $659 million in aid.

#40 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-07-31 08:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

...the real problem with any written immigration law is they have not been enforced, except in rare circumstances when someone thought it could effect an election.

An effective program would simply punish employers and leave immigrants/tourists alone because its too much trouble to distinguish these groups otherwise and inconsistent with the concept of freedom.

#41 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-31 08:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

"No Sir the US Constitution is applicable to ANYONE who is under its jurisdiction."

We've argued this point before and I think you are wrong.

Then maybe we should stop trying to spread "Democracy" around the world if the principles and rights as put forth in the US Constitution are only valid for Americans born in America.

#42 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-07-31 08:31 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

An effective program would simply punish employers and leave immigrants/tourists alone because its too much trouble to distinguish these groups otherwise and inconsistent with the concept of freedom.

#41 | POSTED BY NUTCASE

Tell that to immigrants in this country who went through the long and arduous process of legally obtaining a green card or outright citizenship within the confines of the law and see what they think about this.

'Freedom' does not translate to a complete surrender of sovereignty.

#43 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-31 08:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

As a society we can't define morality without first adhering to the process.

#38 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-31 08:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Rosa Parks would disagree with you.

#44 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-31 08:41 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Then maybe we should stop trying to spread "Democracy" around the world if the principles and rights as put forth in the US Constitution are only valid for Americans born in America.

Posted by donnerboy at 2014-07-31 08:31 PM | Reply

Booyah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#45 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-31 08:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

#31 This is potentially a riot-inducing move if they go through with it.

"Riot inducing". You wish.

Your trouble is GOTP have so overplayed their hand for so long that not even their members care. Whatever happens will be seen just be business as usual.

BTW. It's gonna happen so start gathering your troops soon. Try to do a better job than those 'millions' who were going to shut down DC and force everyone out.

#46 | Posted by 88120rob at 2014-07-31 08:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

As a society we can't define morality without first adhering to the process.
#38 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-31 08:22 PM | Reply | Flag:
Rosa Parks would disagree with you.

#44 | POSTED BY LARRYMOHR

Touche, Larry.

Having said that, you pointed out a notable exception of civil disobedience which is far from the norm.

My point is that if we are to be a nation governed by laws we must adhere to said laws. At least an overwhelmingly vast majority of the time.

#47 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-31 08:47 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

My point is that if we are to be a nation governed by laws we must adhere to said laws. At least an overwhelmingly vast majority of the time.
#47 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

At least the government should enforce the laws, its up to the Rosa Parks of the world to change them....

An effective program would simply punish employers and leave immigrants/tourists alone because its too much trouble to distinguish these groups otherwise and inconsistent with the concept of freedom.
#41 | POSTED BY NUTCASE

Its only half of an effective program,
If here just milling about without a job, and aren't doing anything wrong, I am ok with that.
If you arrest illegal immigrants they should be deported.
If we find illegal immigrants that are working for cash under the table.... we deport them.

There are a couple of other scenarios, but basically we don't search for them......

#48 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-31 08:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

RE #36 Clownshack - I agree....

#49 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-31 08:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Republicans don't want any meaningful immigration reform. We need to stop debating with ourselves. They want one thing and one thing only:
forced deportation!

Let's stop dancing around with these people and let them wear their ignorance just like they're wearing impeachment, as though Obama thought it would be advantageous to drum up an impeachment meme so that his messianic charisma could co-opt it and bash the innocent GOP with it.

And yes, it's ignorant because the cost of forced deportation would negatively impact our GDP for decades at a far higher cost than Obama asked for to alleviate the problems the migrant children have caused:

After running the numbers for 2010, the Center for American Progress estimated the cost for deporting 10.8 million undocumented immigrants in America would be $200 billion over five years. DHS would also need $17 billion each year thereafter for continued enforcement. Adjusting for inflation brings the five-year cost of a mass deportations program to $239 billion, before factoring in the money for sustained enforcement to ensure a new wave of undocumented immigrants does not enter the United States. In 2012, researchers at the Cato Institute estimated that a mass deportations policy would reduce economic growth by around $250 billion per year.

And when you factor in the human costs, it's a no-brainer to come up with some plan that is workable, and not just a political slogan for a xenophobic party at odds with changing demographics.

#50 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-07-31 08:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

My point is that if we are to be a nation governed by laws we must adhere to said laws. At least an overwhelmingly vast majority of the time.
#47 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

When a government (or a law) is unjust, people should refuse to follow the law and distance themselves from the government in general. A person is not obligated to devote his life to eliminating evils from the world, but he is obligated not to participate in such evils.

--Henry David Thoreau.

#51 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-07-31 09:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

"As a society we can't define morality without first adhering to the process."

Dred Scott certainly demonstrated that. Slavery in the Constitution demonstrated that. The St. Louis being refused entry demonstrated that. The incarceration of the Japanese/Americans during WWII demonstrated that. Jim Crow laws demonstrated that. IN other words you are absolutely wrong.

#52 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-31 09:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The Republicans don't want any meaningful immigration reform. We need to stop debating with ourselves. They want one thing and one thing only:
forced deportation!"

They don't really even want that. They want to deport any HIspanics who aren't working for low wages in jobs they would have to pay Americans more to do. After all, the REpublicans real mantra is "They're only coming here to do jobs Americans won't do."

#53 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-31 09:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

"If we find illegal immigrants that are working for cash under the table.... we deport them."

BE more fair to deport the employer who would likely be a Republican. INstead you'd deport the worker who will be replaced with another illegal alien the next day.

#54 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-31 09:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Dred Scott certainly demonstrated that. Slavery in the Constitution demonstrated that. The St. Louis being refused entry demonstrated that. The incarceration of the Japanese/Americans during WWII demonstrated that. Jim Crow laws demonstrated that. IN other words you are absolutely wrong.

#52 | POSTED BY DANNI

The examples you cite are extreme but valid. The problem is they are very extreme. You seem to be advocating anarchy which is far more extreme - because on extremely rare occasions the process had yielded horrible outcomes we must eschew the process altogether.

Come on. Let's deal in reality.

#55 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-31 09:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Come on. Let's deal in reality.

Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-31 09:14 PM | Reply

The reality is many of the undocumented are poor and they claw and scratch their way to the USA to find a better future for themselves. If people in the USA want to claim we are the beacon of hope for a brighter future what better time to show it then now?? After all by in large we caused their misery.

#56 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-31 09:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

The reality is many of the undocumented are poor and they claw and scratch their way to the USA to find a better future for themselves. If people in the USA want to claim we are the beacon of hope for a brighter future what better time to show it then now?

So, while you are being charitable, is there a certain point at which "you" would say, that's enough. One million? Five million? Twenty million? Fifty million? How long are "you" willing to continue inviting them in without any regulation?

#57 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-07-31 09:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

So, while you are being charitable, is there a certain point at which "you" would say, that's enough. One million? Five million? Twenty million? Fifty million? How long are "you" willing to continue inviting them in without any regulation?

Posted by Daniel at 2014-07-31 09:30 PM | Reply

We can't take in the world but we need to look long and hard before we throw the ones who clawed their way here and established themselves.

#58 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-31 09:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

I have no problem showing compassion for those seeking a better life. But, right now on our border is total chaos and it appears the current solution is to invite more. It will get to the point this is going to turn very ugly. We are already seeing the beginnings of this.

#59 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-07-31 10:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

Then change/amend the existing immigration laws to reflect that.

JeffJ, that would require a functioning House. Something that hasn't existed since 2010. I think it is hilarious that a foreign-born guy has the GOP by the short hairs.

Save energy RCADE, all you need to use to post any articles regarding the House is "House Republicans Fail".

#60 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-07-31 11:00 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

jj,

If you have a green card there is no violation. But the H-1B program is just another example of a program which has no enforcement. There are quotas, but no one is counting. The program is based on fraud. There are plenty of Americans qualified to fill those positions, but not for half the price their foreign replacements receive.

#61 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-31 11:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

I have no problem showing compassion for those seeking a better life. But, right now on our border is total chaos and it appears the current solution is to invite more. It will get to the point this is going to turn very ugly. We are already seeing the beginnings of this.

Posted by Daniel at 2014-07-31 10:49 PM | Reply

I don't have all of the answers. It's a cluster uck. I wished it were simple but it's not. You're damned if you do one thing or the other.

#62 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-31 11:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Then maybe we should stop trying to spread "Democracy" around the world if the principles and rights as put forth in the US Constitution are only valid for Americans born in America.

Non sequitur, "Democracy" is not synonymous with the US Constitution. Spreading "Democracy," I assume you mean like Iraq and Afghanistan, does not equate abrogating border security or immigration law in the territorial US.

#63 | Posted by et_al at 2014-08-01 01:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

Funny that Obamacare, which entails massive spending, originated in the Senate.

#5 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2014-07-31 04:04 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Now that's relevant!

#64 | Posted by 726 at 2014-08-01 07:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

How stupid is the GOP? They now tell Obama to take action without them, one day after suing him for taking action without them.

I guess it is brilliant, after all there are plenty of stooges that will support them unequivocally.

#65 | Posted by 726 at 2014-08-01 10:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

BE more fair to deport the employer who would likely be a Republican. INstead you'd deport the worker who will be replaced with another illegal alien the next day.

#54 | POSTED BY DANNI

Certainly the employer should be penalized, much like NorthGuy stated, I would think there are all sorts of tax violations and employment violation s you could throw at the guy.

Regarding the "republican" comment, I am not aiming to protect or help any party. Only do what I think is best for the middle class citizens of the US.

#66 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-08-01 11:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

GOP Admits It's Hypocritical To Sue Obama Yet Urge Him To Act Alone On Border Crisis

A pair of House Republicans admitted on Friday that it made little sense to sue President Barack Obama over executive overreach and, at the same time, urge him to act without Congress to solve the border crisis.

"Look, you can't say on the one hand that the president is overreaching by acting without legislative authority and direction and then refuse to give him legislative authority and direction in another area," Rep. Tom Cole (R-Okla.), a frequent voice of moderation in the House GOP conference, said on MSNBC's "The Daily Rundown."

Fox News contributor Charles Krauthammer lambasted House Republicans for the "ridiculous" move on Thursday night.

"It is ridiculous to sue the president on a Wednesday because he oversteps the law, as he has done a dozen times illegally and unconstitutionally," the conservative commentator said on Fox, "and then on a Thursday say that he should overstep the law, contradict the law that passed in 2008 and deal with this himself."

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#67 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-01 12:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

It must suck to be AFK and Boaz right about now. Blaming it solely upon LIBERALS. BWHAHAHA

#2 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07

no,not really....not with the "obama scandel conveyer belt' running full out....HEY I Made up another one...

I haven't scanned down yet but I would imagine no left winger has bothered to give every one the FULL STORY????

However, Senate Democrats were unable later to secure the 60 votes necessary to overcome a budget challenge against the measure, which included $2.7 billion in immigration funding along with $900 million to fight U.S. wildfires and bolster Israel's Iron Dome missile defense system.

and from the houston chronicle..."this was a grass roots campaign at it's finest'....phone lines FLUSH with callers of people who these PEOPLE represent in this CONSTITUTIONAL representative republic.....

BRAVO....the system WORKED !!!

#68 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-08-01 12:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Texas Republicans oughtta be horse-whipped for introducing the Cruz Virus to the USA. smh

#69 | Posted by e1g1 at 2014-08-01 12:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Texas Republicans oughtta be horse-whipped for introducing the Cruz Virus to the USA.

I've heard it only affects communist, fascist, and fanatical left/right wingers. The majority of the population is not at risk. This has been a Public Service Announcement.

#70 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-08-01 01:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

The GOP elephant should be replaced with a headless chicken.

#71 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-01 01:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

You can demonize cruz all you want..thankfully, in this 'republic'...your outrage at fiscal sanity and values doesn't really matter at this point.

I wonder how much of your money's going to the motel's being used by the feds to house these people?

I would also like to know if they're any homeless VETERANS around these motesl??

foxnewsinsider.com

#72 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-08-01 01:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

BUT I DO READ one encouraging post here....

so we can "HORSEWHIP" people who don't bow down and kiss the royal petutie now ??

#73 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-08-01 01:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Non sequitur, "Democracy" is not synonymous with the US Constitution. Spreading "Democracy," I assume you mean like Iraq and Afghanistan, does not equate abrogating border security or immigration law in the territorial US.

#63 | Posted by et_al

We claim to wish to spread our values to the world. Those values are rooted in the US Constitution our Declaration of Independence and our form of "Democracy".

Regardless...I am pretty sure what we are spreading around the world is not really Democracy either. If our "Democracy" looks and smells like that I wouldn't want it either.

#74 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-01 01:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

from the houston chronicle...

"If speaker Boehner and other establishment republicans want to know what a grass movement looks like, this is it."

Jenny Beth Martin..
tea party patriots

it's called a representative republic and this is the way it works...not with edicts on high ignoring and insulting and attacking the opposite viewpoint. You all know exactly what I mean by that. It's what this potus does weekly.

#75 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-08-01 03:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

and it's what we do because to beat an enemy without integrity, you might have to shed your own.

also, in today's paper...

democrats refusal to change the 2008 law meant for completely different reasons was another reason the vote came out like it did...

and you radical left wingers might as well keep on with the cruz snooze....THAT"S THREE PHRASES I've ORIGINATED today....yes !!!

cause he's not going away and nether are we....AND If he's so insignificant and out of touch and all of the other baloney youse guys try to spread, but this was the house...the "PEOPLE"S HOUSE"....

and oh by the way.....one more time...

WE WON !!

#76 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-08-01 03:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

Get in the clown car and go home GOP.

Obama will fix it, poor guy has to do it himself as the right would rather watch the country disintegrate rather than help the Pres.

because he will succeed, as he has been!

#77 | Posted by drewl at 2014-08-01 04:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

House GOP's bill on deporting refugee children expected to include a new 'papers please' provision

Well, here's a clue why Reps. Steve King and Michele Bachmann are sounding enthusiastic about the House GOP's new legislation on deporting refugee children -- it apparently now includes a "papers please" provision:

The new version would require authorities to check the immigration status of people taking custody of the child migrants, [GOP Rep. Steve] King said.

Under current law, refugee children fleeing Central American violence can stay with family or sponsors while their immigration case is processed instead of being forced to remain in temporary shelters overcrowded kennels. In practice, that's what happens in a majority of cases.

I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a decent human being who thinks there's anything wrong with that law or policy. Unless, of course, you're a House Republican. Then you start having fantasies about how all these illegal refugee kids are invading America, aided and abetted by their illegal sponsors, and so now we need to start making people show their proof of citizenship or at least legal status, otherwise this country will be overrun and our freedom destroyed and we'll all get thrown into FEMA camps. Or something.

Daily Kos

#78 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2014-08-01 04:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

Rep. Steve King wants to put migrant children in border internment camp

Rep. Steve King and Rep. Michele Bachmann talked about migrant children this week with head World Net Daily conspiracy theorist Jerome Corsi because of course they did.

King told Corsi that instead of "scattering these kids all over the country," they should house them all in a tent city along the border.

For her part, Bachmann said that "100 percent of the girls coming up from Guatemala were on birth control" because they expected to be raped along the way to the U.S.

Forget Death Panel Summer or Shark Week, August is ramping up to be Little Brown Children Summer, a month of nonstop hate and bile over a bunch of kids who dared set foot in Our Glorious Native Land without the right paperwork.

Daily Kos

#79 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2014-08-01 04:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

So the Senate has gone home without being able to pass a immigration bill. Amazing stuff.

#80 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-08-01 05:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

#79 | POSTED BY DEREK_WILDSTAR AT 2014-08-01 04:44 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Thinks laws only apply to rich white people.

#81 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-08-01 05:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

So the Senate has gone home without being able to pass a immigration bill. Amazing stuff.

The Senate passed it over a year ago. All Boehner has to do is bring that one to a vote in the House.

#82 | Posted by YAV at 2014-08-01 06:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Senate passed it over a year ago. All Boehner has to do is bring that one to a vote in the House.

#82 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2014-08-01 06:52 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

BS. Yesterday, many DEM senators would not vote to support the latest request from the president.

#83 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-08-01 07:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

#83

Can you be any more half-cocked? The Senate passed a comprehensive immigration reform bill long ago that Boehner will not bring to the House floor because it has the votes to pass. Enough GOPers have hispanic-friendly constituencies and are on the record that a vote on the Senate bill is a guaranteed given a vote. Yesterday, the GOP used cloture and the Yeas were only 50-44 with 2 Dems voting no. The Dems didn't lose because of defections, and since when has 60 votes become necessary for a majority to win?

The GOP is incapable of governing because actual governing DEMANDS compromise! No side gets they way every single time, this is why we have elections. Filibusters were meant to be used sparingly, only when strong principles are at stake, not for every single piece of legislation that you do not like!

Voters legally elected every single Democrat and President Obama. 1.5 million MORE Democratic congressional votes were cast in 2012 than were for Republicans! The minority is a minority because the MAJORITY wants the President and Congress to do the things these elected officials ran to do even if a minority of Republicans don't want to. It would be one thing if the Republicans had any ideas on problem-solving that don't involve bowing to the rightwing first because most of the solutions have been tried (we didn't stop you when YOU had the majorities) and failed miserably. But all you offer is NO and no doesn't solve problems, it lets them get worse and more expensive to fix later.

#84 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-01 07:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

UPDATE: House passes immigration bill.

Drudge report.com

#85 | Posted by CALIbertarian at 2014-08-02 02:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

YES THEY DID....so this thread needs to come down OR change the first part of the headline to DEMOCRAT SENATE RUNS AWAY...

#86 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-08-02 02:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

YES THEY DID....so this thread needs to come down OR change the first part of the headline to DEMOCRAT SENATE RUNS AWAY...
#86 | POSTED BY AFKABL2

House Passes Border Bill
www.drudge.com

Aaaaand you're welcome!

#87 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-08-02 02:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

DEMOCRAT SENATE RUNS AWAY...

In what universe? The GOP filibustered the bill 44-50 since 60 was needed for cloture. How is that the majority's fault?

#88 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-02 02:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

none of it matters, we don't secure our borders we lose our country.

for 35 years nothing has been done. millions and millions just come here, we don't know who they are, not screened for diseases, they plague our jails and social safety nets. Our country is not better off for having them here. We are a stupid nation, corrupt and bought off.

Meanwhile we have troops across the globe, we meddle in everyone elses affairs, we worry about stupid crap like birth control, abortion, and gay marriage.

We can't pass a sensible budget and our debt spirals out of control, while the BRIC countries work to undermine the dollar as the reserve currency. Wow a great country!

#89 | Posted by danv at 2014-08-02 03:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wow a great country!
#89 | POSTED BY DANV

In light of your sarcasm, why do you stay? Oh, because it's better than anywhere else, right? No wonder they want to come here to badly.

#90 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-08-02 06:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

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