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Former Minnesota Gov. Jesse Ventura has won a $1.8 million libel suit he filed against famous Navy SEAL sniper Chris Kyle for a claim in Kyle's best-selling book. The jury found that Kyle fabricated a story about punching Ventura in a bar after he allegedly said the Navy SEALs "deserve to lose a few." Kyle was slain at a Texas gun range last year, so the suit was filed against his estate. People who were with Ventura that night testified that the alleged confrontation never happened. "The statement is completely out of character for Jesse Ventura. He never said anything like that in his life, and he never will," said Ventura attorney David Bradley Olsen.

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A jury of peers says Chris Kyle was a liar.

Fox News said he was a hero.

Today's fake conservatives sure do love their fake fabricated heroes. Now if only they could find one who doesn't ultimately turn out to be a lying scum bucket.

Maybe one of you regular tools can dredge up a "poll" to counter the jury's decision. You know, since polls have more weight with your dweebs than hard evidence

#1 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-07-30 03:58 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

A jury of peers says Chris Kyle was a liar.

Fox News said he was a hero.

but i'm sure everyone can agree on one thing:

that he's dead.

#2 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-07-30 04:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

There is one thing Americans would be wise to do, and that is be skeptical of every such story that the news media pumps out (L/R). Most of it is intentionally made to rile up and politically divide the public, not inform them with factual and unbiased reporting, or discredit those that don't toe the line.

The owners of the MSM and establishment elite have a distinct motive to discredit Jesse Ventura. He is a 9-11 denier which according to ADL propaganda makes him an AS bigot. Any further push to investigate 9-11 is now akin to those who wish to further investigate the Holocaust.

#3 | Posted by Robson at 2014-07-30 04:26 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

I guess thats one way for a ClimateChange denier to get on the front page.....

#4 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-30 04:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Jesse Ventura is a reality-denier.

And never was a Navy Seal.

#5 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2014-07-30 04:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

There is one thing Americans would be wise to do, and that is be skeptical of every such story that the news media pumps out (L/R).

We can all be soooo thankful Sarah Palin is finally here to fix that.

#6 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-07-30 04:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

I was all on board the Chris Kyle train. Until, that is, I find out it was confirmed that he made up a couple of high profile stories, like killing two would be muggers on the parking lot of a gas station. The sheriff, our anyone else for that matter, unequivocally say it never happened.....not to mention the lack of a coroner's report, and etc...

His military record us an open book. Simply the best sniper in the history of the Army.

But once he got home, PTSD does bad things to a man. I think it made him lie. Well not really lie, because I believe he convinced himself the made up stories were true.

Ventura, even if correct, should have left his estate alone after the guy died. That is just straight up bullsh@t.

And yes. Ventura was never a seal.

#7 | Posted by ABH at 2014-07-30 05:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

And never was a Navy Seal.

He was a member of the Navy's Underwater Demolition Teams, the precursor to the Navy SEALs.

#8 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-30 05:12 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Well not really lie, because I believe he convinced himself the made up stories were true.

Still a lie. Even more so, it was a lie that harmed Ventura in multiple ways -- both emotionally (through his ostracization within the military community) and economically (through the loss of potential employment that which necessitates his name and notoriety).

Ventura, even if correct, should have left his estate alone after the guy died. That is just straight up bullsh@t.

Not Ventura's problem that the guy died. His estate was built mainly upon a book full of lies that harmed others. His estate/wife did not deserve that money in the first place, IMO. That's what happens when you lie, even if you actually believe your own lies.

And yes. You are an apologist.

#9 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-07-30 05:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

If it is assumed that the story about the punch was a bald faced lie....

Ventura STILL deserved any crap that came his way.

And after suing, Ventura deserves even more crap.

#10 | Posted by USAF242 at 2014-07-30 05:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ventura, even if correct, should have left his estate alone after the guy died.

Chris Kyle's book made millions which are now going to his estate. Why shouldn't Ventura go after some of that money after he was libeled by a fabricated story? The comments Kyle put in his mouth about soldiers would be highly damaging to any veteran who values his relationship with other vets.

#11 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-30 05:21 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Ventura was able to file a lawsuit from his tinfoil lined compound in Mexico?

#12 | Posted by Tor at 2014-07-30 06:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ventura got sucker punched, figuratively, by Kyle and deserved to win the suit. He's unhappy, now, because he won't be welcome to any more UDT/SEAL reunions. I suspect the only way back in is to donate the winnings to a SEAL-related charity, but Jesse's always been kinda focused on the cash. Interestting to see how this plays out.
Personally, I'm a Ventura fan. Listening to him on Minnesota Public Radio during his term as Gov was refreshing. He came across as honest and direct, as opposed to "political". The current TV show has really screwed with that perception, though.

#13 | Posted by morris at 2014-07-30 06:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Talk about scum suing the wife of a dead man. Chris Kyle's book never used his name and all profits went to the wounded not to Chris.

These jurors must be real low life's also.

#14 | Posted by tmaster at 2014-07-30 08:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

These jurors must be real low life's also.

Jurors are typically instructed to not consider who pays. The only questions they consider are liability and damages.

You appear to be of the class of low life that would ignore the instructions.

#15 | Posted by et_al at 2014-07-30 09:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

**** YEA JESSE!!!

#16 | Posted by AntiCadillac at 2014-07-30 09:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Chris Kyle's book never used his name and all profits went to the wounded not to Chris.
#14 | POSTED BY TMASTER

Riiiiiiiight. Where do you think the $6 million estate in Kyle's name, which is now in his widow's control, came from?

#17 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-07-30 09:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

Chris Kyle's book never used his name and all profits went to the wounded not to Chris.

That's another false story from the legendary Sniper.

"Taya Kyle testified Wednesday that the Kyles wanted to donate profits to other veterans but gift tax laws that limited how much they could give away. The 2012 best-seller has earned more than $3 million in royalties."

www.mymotherlode.com

#18 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-30 10:36 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#10 | Posted by USAF242
"Ventura STILL deserved any crap that came his way."

If someone "deserves" libel, they tend to call it something other than libel.

#14 | Posted by tmaster
"Chris Kyle's book never used his name and all profits went to the wounded not to Chris."

Where the money goes is irrelevant in this case.

#19 | Posted by TheTom at 2014-07-31 01:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

Ventura's wishing death on his fellow servicemen pre-dates this incident.

To date, he has no shown no signs of regret for wishing death on his fellow servicemen. (and at this point, suicide is about the only 'apology' that would cut it....).

And then he does this crap.

This is a classic case of the 'Law' correctly used, delivering 'injustice'.

One of the biggest common delusions of humanity is that 'Law' and 'justice' are somehow inherently related. Lawful states WILL almost always have more justice, due to better order, which is itself delivered by law, but NONE of those three characteristics (Law, Order and Justice) are automatically related.

The most important part of the Law is where it is NOT. The most important part of the Law is what it does NOT regulate, control, etc. The most important part of the Law is the portions of people's lives, public and private, that they run for themselves, even when these portions of their lives involve disputes with other people.

I'm big on support of Law and Order, but I don't delude on what "law" and "order" are. They are certainly not 'justice', even if wise application of Law and Order is one of the best ways to encourage justice.

#20 | Posted by USAF242 at 2014-07-31 05:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

Ventura should never have brought the lawsuit. 11 witnesses testified on behalf of Kyle and still the jury ruled in favor of Ventura. Presumably, the jury had some indication that the testimonies of the witnesses were tainted.

All of that is irrelevant in Jesse Ventura's days ahead. He has not only sued a SEAL, but impugned the reputation of the 11 witnesses (also all SEALs) who can all infer from the verdict that the jurists determined them to be liars based on Ventura's testimony.

Ventura has been on the move for awhile and I recall he was down in Mexico for a bit. There was even speculation that he'd joined the tinfoil hat crowd and was bunkered down somewhere to keep the black helicopters from finding him, but I think I understand why he was on the run now...and why he needs to keep running. I have no doubt that SEALs are honorable, decent men...but seeing the kind of carnage that they've seen changes a man. If you think there isn't a chance that at least one PTSD-altered SEAL out there, maybe one who was teammates with Kyle or who crashed on his couch once in a while, who is taking this affront to his brothers and teammates personally and is right now making preparations to sacrifice himself to ensure Ventura's grisly end, you are deluding yourself. Ventura knows that, too. He'd be smart to use that money to hire bodyguards and build a compound somewhere.

#21 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-07-31 07:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

Mustang: Your suggestion that a SEAL is planning Ventura's murder impugns the reputation of the SEALs more than anything you claim he did wrong.

Kyle libeled Ventura, so Ventura gets some of the millions the book earned, most of which is probably going to his lawyers. Life goes on. Nobody's going to hunt him down because Kyle's widow is a few million poorer.

#22 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-31 08:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

#22 Look, I'm friends with more than one SEAL, and I respect them more than most humans on this planet as much for the things they didn't do as for what they have done. That said, I watched them from one deployment to the next become a little harder, a little darker...quicker to temper, less willing to laugh something off and taking offense instead. Some came back scary. I am not impugning the reputation of SEALs. I'm pointing out that PTSD may have worn away that fragile barrier that keeps people from acting rashly in at least one of them. Look inside yourself and find that dark place that stays buried, that person you would become if you caught someone harming one of your kids. That dark place is VERY close to the surface in a few of these guys, and they feel the same way about their teammates that you feel about your kids.

#23 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-07-31 08:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

#22 And it's not about the money. Don't forget that. These guys don't care about that. They'd pass the hat among themselves and probably come up with the bulk of it.

#24 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-07-31 08:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

" inconsistencies in testimony from defense witnesses about what happened the night of Oct. 12, 2006, were so serious that their stories couldn't be trusted. He also pointed out that people who were with Ventura that night testified that the alleged confrontation never happened."

I do not give a damn what your war record is. You can not legally make up Ghost stories and pen them in a book and be so upset that you get sued. V did not sue his wife at all. V filed the lawsuit in JAN. When Chris was killed in Feb, the case goes from being directed at Chis to his estate. Testimony from those there that night swore under oath that it never occurred. If there was any proof that V made those wild claims that he could ever be entitled to damages because what was in the book would have been factual. If V went after him for this, do you really think V would not have pressed assault charges if the event actually occurred? Respect goes both ways, you don't make up lies as filler for your book..

#25 | Posted by zack991 at 2014-07-31 08:43 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Jesse Ventura is a reality-denier.

And never was a Navy Seal.

#5 | Posted by Harry_Powell
Really you might want to check your facts buddy. For one he was member of the UDT, the precursor to the Navy SEALs. According the the Navy he was a Seal member.

"Jesse Ventura joined the Navy after high school and served for six years -- four on active duty, two in the Reserves -- and is a Vietnam veteran. While on active duty, he was a member of Underwater Demolition (SEAL) Team 12. He returned to Minnesota in 1973."
navyseals.com

#26 | Posted by zack991 at 2014-07-31 08:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

"A jury of peers says Chris Kyle was a liar."

And that OJ Simpson, Robert Blake, and Casey Anthony were not guilty.

So there!

#27 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2014-07-31 08:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

#26 | POSTED BY ZACK991

Technically true and untrue at the same time.

When Ventura was in the service, UDT and SEAL were separate even though the SEAL Teams were made up of UDT members. The difference being that UDT were primarily water based and SEALS added land based combat abilities.

They remained separate until 1983 when UDT teams were reclassified as SEAL, specifically UDT/S. That's probably why the site you linked to has SEAL in parentheses since it's consider now to be SEAL but wasn't then.

www.usnavysealfoundation.org
and
en.wikipedia.org

Some consider him a SEAL because of the reclassification and some do not because he never had to go through the additional training, that's probably where most of the animosity lies.

#28 | Posted by Lohocla at 2014-07-31 10:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

I love Jesse Ventura. I am glad he won this lawsuit.

He is completely crazy...just like me.

Yay for crazy people!

#29 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-07-31 10:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

I love Jesse Ventura. I am glad he won this lawsuit.

He is completely crazy...just like me.

Yay for crazy people!

Posted by donnerboy at 2014-07-31 10:40 AM | Reply

If crazy people did not exist. We would not have The United States.

#30 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-31 10:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Taya Kyle testified Wednesday that the Kyles wanted to donate profits to other veterans but gift tax laws that limited how much they could give away.

They could have established a charitable fund to provide veterans with benefits. Sounds like an "oh well we can't so we'll just keep the money" moment to me.

#31 | Posted by 726 at 2014-07-31 11:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

Sounds like an "oh well we can't so we'll just keep the money" moment to me.

Me too. Jesse Ventura is getting hammered on social media for suing the widow. But he didn't. Kyle was alive when he filed suit.

#32 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-31 11:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

I guess thats one way for a ClimateChange denier to get on the front page.....
#4 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-30 04:31 PM

You have no idea what you are talking about. Have you even seen his program on climate change? I didn't think so.

Jesse Ventura is a reality-denier.
And never was a Navy Seal.
#5 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2014-07-30 04:35 PM

[sigh] Where do you get that from? I believe the "reality-denier" in the room is you.

What is it with these "conservatives"?! How much more unbelievable can they get? From "Obama's sealed records" to "Hillary has brain damage" they manipulate themselves into insane positions. Normally, that would be an excellent yoga or tantra motto, but in this case I'm looking at dumb---'s passing off lies as truth, but worse - expecting people to believe their horse----.

I'm seriously considering voting Ventura if he runs.

#33 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-07-31 12:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

" I believe the "reality-denier" in the room is you."

That's your unreality.

#34 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2014-07-31 03:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

He is completely crazy...just like me.
...
#29 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Something we already knew.

#35 | Posted by path at 2014-07-31 05:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Jesse Ventura is getting hammered on social media for suing the widow. But he didn't. Kyle was alive when he filed suit.

#32 | POSTED BY RCADE

He had the option to retract the suit when Kyle died. He still does now. Suing the widow who had nothing to do with it other than through marriage is cold and non-caring.

Sorry Rcade, but your argument doesn't hold water.

#36 | Posted by path at 2014-07-31 06:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sorry Rcade, but your argument doesn't hold water.
#36 | POSTED BY PATH

It is your argument to which has the holes. Please acknowledge the vast, vast majority of the Kyle estate was developed through profits garnered by book sales. Profits made off of sales of a book containing multitude of lies that which caused financial harms to others.

Legally speaking, Ventura is owed a portion of that estate just as much as Kyle's widow. Kyle's death has NOTHING to do with the situation.

PLUS you make it sound as though Kyle's wife will now be destitute. She's still up some $4 million. Go cry me a river you apologist!

#37 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-07-31 06:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

Some consider him a SEAL because of the reclassification and some do not because he never had to go through the additional training, that's probably where most of the animosity lies.
#28 | POSTED BY LOHOCLA

IMO, the animosity lies in the personal bias and dislike of Ventura. He was and still is a flamboyant character, which is just him and his personality, which rubs a lot of people the wrong way. If it wasn't for this bias, I truly do not believe anyone would call Ventura a liar for claiming to be a SEAL. Especially from your description: "The difference being that UDT were primarily water based and SEALS added land based combat abilities."

Let me ask you this, what's the SE stand for in SEAL? If there's anyone who should be given the benefit of the doubt to claiming the status of an OG SEAL, it should be someone from the UDT outfit, IMO. Or in other words, someone like Ventura.

#38 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-07-31 07:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ventura seems awfully big to have been a SEAL.

#39 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-31 07:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

That's nothing. I was able to take an ice cream from the 4 year old up the street.

#40 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-07-31 07:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

#37, Rstybtch, sorry, but wrong. I'm not a suer, think its stupid and way overused. Suing seems to be used by cowards who want other people to settle their differences.

#41 | Posted by path at 2014-07-31 09:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

Suing seems to be used by cowards who want other people to settle their differences.
#41 | POSTED BY PATH

You would sue if someone publicly said something false about you, and profited from it, that affected your livelihood. If you wouldn't, you're a coward and a fool. That's what the civil courts are there for. Injustice my ass.

#42 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-08-01 12:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

I was in and out of Fallujah during the battle that made him a hero. Picking up vehicles that got screwed up. Definitely increased our pucker factor. He maned a snipers post for over 48 hours alone and killed over 40 armed men. That was one serious battle, it lasted for more than a week, It was also the last time the insurgents,(hadji)ever tried to fight as a conventional force. He died trying to help another vet overcome his problems,(PTSD). Ventura would have shown a little class dropping the case after he was dead. Of course that would have required something this showman never had, any real character. Kile wrote a book, he wasn't a writer, and I 'll tell you the truth, I saw a lot. Can't say when, or who was with me, I have tried to forget the entire pile of crap. The vast majority of the time life in a combat zone is absolutely dull, tedious and unpleasant. So he told some stories he heard, some true, some not, he thought would be entertaining. Does not diminish his service, or what he did. Of course the self righteous and self important who have never done anything harder than go in to a job they don't particularly like will cast dispersions on those who have bore the battle. We do not care.

#43 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-08-01 01:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

Ventura is the same arrogant ---- he always was and if he said a horrible statment as was claimed and if a chris punched him for said statement, that would be everywhere. He is not a liked person at all by a ton of people and if there was any mild proof of that crap happening. Screw the Kardashians and all that Anna Nicole Smith drama. People eat up that drama up, it would be running 24 /7 on every news channel. They may not have known Chris at that time, but for goodnees sakes, V is very well known. "This just in we have breaking news, Ventura says some horrible things about fellow veterans gets his butt kicked in local bar!" That crap would be everywhere, not buried in some book. Americans are drama whores, use a little common sense. You guys are sounding crazier believing that nonsense story, then the idiots that believe bigfoot is real. On top of that Ventura is a ---- he would have hit back, much less WOULD HAVE pressed assault charges against chris. I think it's hilariously funny, that not a single person in that bar didn't think of HEY, let me get some video, audio, or a photo of this. This might make me some money. Make up lies to pag your book and you get sued. Btw I hate Ventura, yet I dont buy that this drama is found out in a book years later even through there was a packed bar.

#45 | Posted by zack991 at 2014-08-01 04:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

#38 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

Sure do, that's the part coincides with the U in UDT.

Like I said, additional training for the A and L parts that are not present in the UDT training and Ventura never went through it. But since you have to go through BUDs with some specialized training afterwards, it's not much of a difference.

But that's neither here nor there, and I agree that his personality is abrasive, but that may just be a public persona holdback from the wresting days where he played the bad guy a lot. Used to like him back in the early/mid 2k's when he went into politics but now he's mired himself in the conspiracy realm and looks for all intents and purposes that he's bought into it.

I also don't buy into the story that he wished troops died and while he may have badmouthed the war and the politics for it, I don't see him wishing troops were hurt for it.

Also, like Zack said, if it happened it'd be all over the community and it's not a very big one. It'd be a running joke that "The Body" was popped a good one.

#46 | Posted by Lohocla at 2014-08-01 06:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

You would sue if someone publicly said something false about you, and profited from it, that affected your livelihood. ...

#42 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

Tell us how that is working for Jesse now with all the publicity he's getting.

#47 | Posted by path at 2014-08-01 08:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

Some consider him a SEAL because of the reclassification and some do not because he never had to go through the additional training, that's probably where most of the animosity lies.

The additional training is what makes a land based SEAL today. I can understand why people make the distinction. That would be like me calling myself Special Forces. I was assigned to Special Operations Command for four years. I got to wear the patch of SOF. I went on missions with them, but I was never Special Forces Qualified. There were certain things I couldn't do, because I wasn't trained. It's the same with Ventura.

The vast majority of the time life in a combat zone is absolutely dull, tedious and unpleasant.

Amen to that. 98% boring as hell and 2% oh ---!

#48 | Posted by boaz at 2014-08-01 09:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

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