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Wednesday, July 30, 2014

Flames and clouds of black smoke billowed over Gaza's only power plant on Tuesday after it was destroyed during the most relentless and widespread Israeli bombardment of the current conflict. At least 100 people were killed, according to Gaza health officials. "The power plant is finished," said its director, Mohammed al-Sharif, signalling a new crisis for Gaza's 1.8 million people, who were already enduring power cuts of more than 20 hours a day.

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To see what's happening, google maps of gaza, and see it's steady shrinkage.

It's like poke poke poke till there's a fight. Then oops, we have to take over a few hundred more square miles.

#1 | Posted by 88120rob at 2014-07-30 10:58 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

It isn't that simple 881.

For example, remember that UN school that was bombed that the UN swore no rockets were ever in?

From this article: The UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) said it had found a cache of rockets at one of its schools in Gaza and deplored those who had put them there for placing civilians in harm's way.

The denial was major news. Let's see if this correction gets anything beyond being buried 7 paragraphs deep.

#2 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-30 11:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

Way to go Net and Yahoo. Good call. Because those baby palestinians are a real threat to your nazi-like genocide.

#3 | Posted by kudzu at 2014-07-30 11:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

I can't wait for the Israeli apologists to come spin this one.

We're witnessing the genocide of a group of people and nothings being done about it because America's masses have already bought the propaganda that all palestinians are evil and they deserve to die.

Funny how media can control popular opinion.

Too many gullible people that accept anything they're told.

#4 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-30 11:06 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

There's nothing to spin, Clown.

Israel and Hamas are engaged in a war.

The purpose of war is to win decisively (destroy the enemy whilst minimizing damage taken in the process). Hamas is staging their side of the war from Gaza. Taking out a vital source of energy is a smart wartime move.

#5 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-30 11:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

Kanrei. There is counter evidence that there were no rockets in the UNRWA school.

Don't have time to find a source but I don't trust the media of either side in this conflict.

#6 | Posted by klifferd at 2014-07-30 11:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

I don't trust the media of either side in this conflict.

Sort of my point. Especially with the Guardian who has been busted more than once with a bias in this story.

#7 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-30 11:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

Israel and Hamas are engaged in a war.

Quite the one sided war.

It's tantamount to prisoners rioting and the guards blowing up the prison.

#8 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-30 11:19 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 4

Quite the one sided war.

I agree, but the other side doesn't know when to quit, gotta hand it to them.

#9 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-30 11:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

A one sided war wouldn't last over 60 years. The very fact they are STILL fighting the same fight should tell you they are evenly matched in terms of fighting ability.

The tragedy is that there are hundreds of thousands on both sides with no interest or desire for this fight that are stuck in the middle of it with no recourse or anyone to defend them.

#10 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-30 11:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

In fact, every dead Israeli is an asset to the Zionists just as every dead Palestinian is an asset to Hamas. They don't want to limit the civilian deaths; they want to increase them so they can further condemn the other side and claim the moral high ground.

#11 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-30 11:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

The very fact they are STILL fighting the same fight should tell you they are evenly matched in terms of fighting ability.

No it doesn't, it says that Israel is restrained, if we took off the gloves and actually let them settle it, it would be settled. But most people wouldn't like the outcome. The occupied territories would be annexed into Israel.

IMO, this is the only way to settle this dispute.

But we don't we allow the fighting to be restricted in scope and the aftermath territory given back. Its the same everytime Israel has been attacked or they attacked.

#12 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-30 11:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

"A one sided war wouldn't last over 60 years. The very fact they are STILL fighting the same fight should tell you they are evenly matched in terms of fighting ability."

I don't know about that. If they had equal fighitng ability they'd be living under equal conditions because both sides would have had their victories here and there. Israel has clearly dominated militarily. I'm not saying that is "wrong". If you're going to war you better win.

The fight has dragged on because both sides have long term goals that can't be achieve while the other is around. Hamas still clings to the pipe dream of wiping out Israel and puts that above all else including the welfare of their own people. Israel wants the Palestinians to just go somewhere else but knows it can't just blatantly drive them all away so they've engaged in a strategy of gradual land theft and making life in the occupied territories increasingly miserable. They know it will take a long time and that the war drags on in the meantime but they clearly think that the absorbtion of the West Bank is worth it.

#13 | Posted by sully at 2014-07-30 11:33 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

But "we don't we allow" = "continue to force"

#14 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-30 11:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

But we don't we allow the fighting to be restricted in scope and the aftermath territory given back. Its the same everytime Israel has been attacked or they attacked.

#12 | Posted by AndreaMackris

you're buying into the zionist falacy that fighting must lead to seized territory.

Did we seize iraq? Or did we give it back to the iraqis?

By israel's logic, iraq should be part of america now.

#15 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-07-30 11:35 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Hamas is staging their side of the war from Gaza. Taking out a vital source of energy is a smart wartime move."

Remember the good ole days when chanting "Democracy Brings Peace" on chorus was all the region needed.
Then that Democracy elected Hamas ---- and the same "principled" and "personally responsible" ------- had to change their tune.

#16 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-07-30 11:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

Did we seize iraq? Or did we give it back to the iraqis?

We gave it back because unattached colonies are a pain in the arse and a drain on your resources. Remember Manifest Destiny? Did we give Texas back to Mexico? Did we give any states back to the Indians?

#17 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-30 11:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

Israel wants the Palestinians to just go somewhere else but knows it can't just blatantly drive them all away so they've engaged in a strategy of gradual land theft and making life in the occupied territories increasingly miserable.

The life is "miserable" in the OT because of continued terrorism. Before the F.I. Palestinians worked in Israel, and had good jobs. But since the F.I. started Israel kept tightening the noose to prevent terrorism. It built walls, increased immigration to displace the Palestinian workers, which were now out of jobs. The economy of Palestinans suffered because of the terrorism response.

Its a death spiral for the both of them.

#18 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-30 11:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

Sad that people forced onto a reservation are being treated like this.

Even more sad that we are forced to pay for this.

And even more sad that sadistic people cheer for this fascist behavior.

I think Israel could murder everyone there and the cheerleaders would laugh.

#19 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-07-30 11:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

"you're buying into the zionist falacy that fighting must lead to seized territory." - SpeakSoftly

I am not sure about you but in my history books typically territory contain changes in land after a war.....

Be careful the conclusion here is that there no Palestine.

"Did we seize iraq? Or did we give it back to the iraqis?" - SpeaksSoftly

That should tell you something about the US and its greatness, but for some reason I don't think you will see it that way.

Then that Democracy elected Hamas ---- and the same "principled" and "personally responsible" ------- had to change their tune.
#16 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES

Has there been an election since then? You see democracy requires periodically there to be an election......

Let me know when Gaza is a "free democracy".

What it is today, is a prison for gays, women, religions, and animals.....

#20 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-30 11:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

I think Israel could murder everyone there and the cheerleaders would laugh.
#19 | POSTED BY SHAWN

Then you don't understand their argument, you should start there.

#21 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-30 11:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

The very fact they are STILL fighting the same fight should tell you they are evenly matched in terms of fighting ability.

#10 | Posted by kanrei

Israel could push the Palestinians into the sea with little effort. But they'd lose a lot of world support in doing so.

#22 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-07-30 11:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

Israel could push the Palestinians into the sea with little effort. But they'd lose a lot of world support in doing so.
#22 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT AT 2014-07-30 11:51 AM

Yup. I said the other day there are technically two wars happening at once there: a physical traditional break and kill war and an internet/media PR war. Israel may win the break and kill war, but they are losing the PR war horribly. They are expected, as a legitimate government and nation, to NOT engage in the style of attacks Hamas, a terrorist organization, uses. Sad that the nations today, us included, tend to use behavior we abhor to justify our own actions.

#23 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-30 11:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

The very fact they are STILL fighting the same fight should tell you they are evenly matched in terms of fighting ability.

Israel has the 11th most powerful military in the world, by an account I read this week. To suggest the two sides have equal fighting ability is like saying Grenada had a shot against the U.S. in the 1980s.

What Gaza has is a restive and long-abused population with enough armed militants to sustain guerrilla war. The events of this month will ensure there are even more militants in the future. The kids who survive this humanitarian atrocity will be fighting Israel in 10 years, assuming Israel continues to run Gaza like a prison camp.

#24 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-30 12:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The life is "miserable" in the OT because of continued terrorism."

That definitely has something to do with it. Any sane person would realize that the more the Palestinians engage in their pointless terror tactics, the worse things get for them.

But its also true that somewhere along the way, Israeli leaders decided that they want the West Bank and are going to take it. And they continue to persue that agenda which involves stealing land, diverting water, building Israeli only roads that cut off Palestinian communities, etc. And this still would continue to happen even if the Palestinians were to calm down. People like Sharon and Netanyahu have been very candid about it at times.

#25 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-30 12:03 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

To suggest the two sides have equal fighting ability is like saying Grenada had a shot against the U.S. in the 1980s.

What I meant by "Equal fighting ability" is the classic "occupier vs insurgent" fight: the insurgents always tend to win. In Gaza, the Palestinians are the home team. They have the advantage of not having to follow the rules of war as well as not wearing uniforms, etc. Israel can't or rather shouldn't act as Hamas does which is why the world is turning against Israel in this fight from what I see.

#26 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-30 12:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

- assuming Israel continues to run Gaza like a prison camp.

It's like bad parenting on a much higher scale. They hit their kids and then wonder why their kids hit other kids at school.

Israelis are in the grip of a mixture of very real security concerns and rwing sponsored fearmongering not unlike what we have in the US, only played out in physical violence rather than in political obstruction.

One of the problems in Israel is that their rwing extremists will act out their violence; settlers vs the army, where ours mostly just try to bankrupt the country so the government has less power.

#27 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-30 12:11 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

What I meant by "Equal fighting ability" is the classic "occupier vs insurgent" fight: the insurgents always tend to win.

That makes more sense to me. Nations don't like fighting an insurgency house to house, street to street in urban areas. The casualties rise to a level where they're unacceptable to the people. The U.S. didn't want any piece of that in Sadr City when it flared up.

#28 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-30 12:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

The purpose of war is to win decisively (destroy the enemy whilst minimizing damage taken in the process).
#5 | Posted by JeffJ

If this weren't the third Israel-Hamas war in six years, I'd believe you.
What I can't figure out is why you believe you.
The victory Israel seeks is not over Hamas. It's for the Likud party to win decisively in the next elections.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-30 02:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

If this weren't the third Israel-Hamas war in six years, I'd believe you.
What I can't figure out is why you believe you.
The victory Israel seeks is not over Hamas. It's for the Likud party to win decisively in the next elections.

#29 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I don't necessarily disagree with that.

I was speaking in a general sense.

#30 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-30 03:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

I was speaking in a general sense.
#30 | Posted by JeffJ

Good to know.

In a general sense, I'm sure you'll agree that if you blow up the only power plant serving 1,816,379 people (2014 estimate), you are a terrorist.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-30 05:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

"To suggest the two sides have equal fighting ability is like saying Grenada had a shot against the U.S. in the 1980s."
What I meant by "Equal fighting ability" is the classic "occupier vs insurgent" fight: the insurgents always tend to win. In Gaza, the Palestinians are the home team. They have the advantage of not having to follow the rules of war as well as not wearing uniforms, etc. Israel can't or rather shouldn't act as Hamas does which is why the world is turning against Israel in this fight from what I see.
#26 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-30 12:05 PM

You mean like air strikes on consolidated civilians in shopping areas, schools and hospitals? This is the exact tactic Israel used recently on Lebanese - force fleeing civilians onto designated routes then MISSILE THEM.

#32 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-07-30 05:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Btw - the air strikes were during the cease-fire. ISRAEL IS EXTERMINATING HUMANS EN MASS.

#33 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-07-30 05:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

All the fascist apologists here would change their tune immediately if it was them on the reservation. Self serving tribal psychopathy is bad enough when tolerated. Far worse when applauded.

#34 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-07-30 05:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Without the power plant Gaza is dead. No sewer, no water, no electricity. Disease will take many more lives.

If Israel kills off the residents of Gaza will it be remembered as a Holocaust?

If not; why not?

#35 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2014-07-30 06:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Situation in Gaza Has Taken a Horrifying Turn
By Tom McKay

The news: Israeli units attacked Gaza's only power station, burning large sections of it to the ground. It made for a dramatic picture in Gaza, one that some on social media said looked like actual hell on Earth.

The bombing appears to have cut off both electricity and water sanitation for most of the Palestinian territory's 1.8 million residents. According to the Washington Post, the damage will take months to repair and has left almost all of Gaza, including some hospitals, without utility access. Six of eight remaining power connections from Israel have been severed by the fighting.

#36 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-30 08:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Maybe Hamas was hiding electrically rechargeable rockets at the power station.

It's cruel. If Gaza cut off Israel's electricity and water, everyone would rightfully be outraged.

#37 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2014-07-30 10:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

No it doesn't, it says that Israel is restrained, if we took off the gloves and actually let them settle it, it would be settled. But most people wouldn't like the outcome. The occupied territories would be annexed into Israel.

IMO, this is the only way to settle this dispute.

But we don't we allow the fighting to be restricted in scope and the aftermath territory given back. Its the same everytime Israel has been attacked or they attacked.

#12 | Posted by AndreaMackris

No Israel doesn't want to do that cause the Palestineans would outnumber those of Jewish belief, making democracy very sticky. Apartheid is a much better situation from Israel's standpoint.

#38 | Posted by truthhurts at 2014-07-30 10:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

If Israel kills off the residents of Gaza will it be remembered as a Holocaust?

If not; why not?

#35 | Posted by Prolix247

you'll have to check the name of the author on the history book to answer that question

#39 | Posted by truthhurts at 2014-07-30 10:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

I keep confusing Gaza and Ginza.

#40 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2014-07-31 12:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

What is Ginza,J?

#41 | Posted by bruceaz at 2014-07-31 12:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

Wait, seriously? The Guardian? aka-- The Guardian of Palestinian Propaganda? LOL!!!! Who the cr*p cares what the Guardian says?

#42 | Posted by drudge_comment at 2014-07-31 12:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

some of you drudgetards need to get out of the county for once in your life:

de facto israel: i.imgur.com

more: www.reddit.com

#43 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2014-07-31 01:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

#32 and 33 Israel gives warning of their strikes and tells the people of Palestine to seek cover. Hamas does not allow them into the shelters they created and tells the people to stay in their homes.

Israel is most likely not intentionally killing civilians.

#44 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2014-07-31 10:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

Israel is just helping Gaza reduce their Carbon Footprint.

#45 | Posted by shirtsbyeric at 2014-07-31 10:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

IMO, this is the only way to settle this dispute. #12 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

War is easy from your Lazy-Girl recliner.

#46 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-07-31 03:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

what this accomplishes (besides cutting off the basic need for water and sewer) is a media blackout of the atrocities to follow; of which Israel will deny. Any news will be completely one-sided, scrubbed, and scripted.

Israel can't have you seeing any more bloody toddlers or one armed grandmothers.

#47 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-07-31 03:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

#32 and 33 Israel gives warning of their strikes and tells the people of Palestine to seek cover. Hamas does not allow them into the shelters they created and tells the people to stay in their homes.
Israel is most likely not intentionally killing civilians.

#44 | POSTED BY HEURISTICGRATIS AT 2014-07-31 10:10 AM | FLAG:

What are you? Israel's PR spokesman?

How generous of Israel to blow up smaller areas as a warning before blowing them all up.

Israel may not be intentionally killing civilians. But they sure have intentionally targeted and killed a lot of innocent civilians.

#48 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-31 04:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hamas does not allow them into the shelters they created and tells the people to stay in their homes.
Israel is most likely not intentionally killing civilians.
#44 | POSTED BY HEURISTICGRATIS AT 2014-07-31 10:10 AM | FLAG:

Seems like, by allowing Hamas to stay in power, knowing that Hamas uses human shields and bombing Hamas anyway, they are doing exactly that.

The alternative, rooting out Hamas, would require the deaths of IDF soldiers.

But to say they aren't choosing the deaths of Palestinian civilians over the deaths of IDF soldiers is asinine. This is the third time they've made that choice in six years.

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-31 05:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Two days in Gaza with no water or power.

Israel is a monster for the pain and suffering they are inflicting on the Palestinians.

This isn't war.

It's cruel and unusual punishment.

It's disgusting.

And so are all you apologists.

There's absolutely no justification for Israel's actions.

May the Palestinians in Gaza get some relief from the Israelis.

Their torment is lost on American bloggers that have swallowed Israel's propaganda for decades.

#50 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-31 05:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

Two days in Gaza with no water or power.
Israel is a monster for the pain and suffering they are inflicting on the Palestinians.

They don't need power and they are walking distance to an entire sea of salt water - they can just drink that.

#51 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-31 05:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

They don't need power and they are walking distance to an entire sea of salt water - they can just drink that.

Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-31 05:59 PM | Reply

You die from dehydration doing that.

#52 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-31 06:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

I know that, Larry.

I was trolling.

You always spoil the fun! :-)

#53 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-31 06:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

JeffJ thinks he's being funny.
He won't quite admit it, but the retaliatory deaths of Palestinian children fill him with a sense of social justice.

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-31 06:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

JeffJ, you might think of him as "Chairbonre light."

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-31 06:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

I am funny.

I take no joy in the death of Palestinian children. I find their deaths to be tragic.

I was just trolling to tweak hyper-sensitive lefties.

#56 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-31 06:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

JeffJ, you might think of him as "Chairbonre light."

I wish.

I am in a completely different league from that guy.

#57 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-31 06:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Nice job Snoof-dog in correctly labeling what I was trying to do.

#58 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-31 06:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

I understood that was trolling.

But it was funny reading you get reprimanded for it.

:)

#59 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-31 06:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

But it was funny reading you get reprimanded for it.

Agreed. I pretty much got taken behind the woodshed.


I understood that was trolling.

I hoped you would.

#60 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-31 06:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

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