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Wednesday, July 30, 2014

Democratic and Republican leaders in Congress are rushing towards passage of a $225 million missile defense package for Israel. Israel unleashed its heaviest day of bombardment in the four-week war against Hamas in the Gaza Strip. At least 1,200 Palestinians have been killed, including more than 100 Tuesday, and more than 50 Israeli soldiers and three civilians also have died.

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I do not support this. We should not give Israel another dime.

#1 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-30 09:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

I do not support this. We should not give Israel another dime.

#1 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-30 09:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#2 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-30 09:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

$225 million for a missile defense package?????? Must be made in Pakistan with Rigel supervising.

#3 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2014-07-30 09:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

Next they will cut food stamps for Americans.

#4 | Posted by 726 at 2014-07-30 09:50 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Next they will cut food stamps for Americans.

Sure can't have anything that will add to the deficit all spending must be offset.

#5 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2014-07-30 09:53 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

I do not support this.

#6 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-30 09:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

Palestinians must resent our Congress's willingness to fund this for Israel and I have a feeling we will pay for it in some unforeseen way. The Israelis are creating thousands of future terrorists who will bo anything to exact their revenge.

#7 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-30 10:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

It's like our government is working against it self. On one hand Obama and Kerry are trying to get a cease fire which is only dragging this out. On the other hand Congress is giving Israel bombs to drop. Either let Israel win the damn thing as fast as possible or stop giving them bombs.

#8 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-07-30 10:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

Nice to see congress working together for a change.

Disgusting.

#9 | Posted by apparatchik at 2014-07-30 10:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

It is an election year with tons of Jewish votes up in the air. From what I gather from those I speak to on this, they don't like the GOP as it is viewed as a Jesus party and they don't like Obama for a variety of reasons. This act of Congress IMHO is about buying their votes.

#10 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-30 10:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

This act of Congress IMHO is about buying their votes.

Again; Disgusting.

#11 | Posted by apparatchik at 2014-07-30 10:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

I could not agree more Appa.

#12 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-30 10:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

They can't do anything for the American people without it turning into a fight (watered-down, half-assed health care; crumbling infrastructure; corporate regulation; protecting the environment; getting their fiscal house in order) but when it comes to blowing up Muslims - from Gulf War 1 to Afghanistan, back to Iraq, and now Israel - we can always count on our congress for a yea vote.

They should all be brought up on war crimes charges.

#13 | Posted by apparatchik at 2014-07-30 10:18 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 6

What a bunch of pathetic clowns. When it comes to fixing our problems they pretend they can't even stand to look at each other but where it pertains to paying tribute to a foreign power there are no barriers to getting things done.

On second thought, the people are pathetic clowns because we support them as if this is the best we can expect.

#14 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-30 10:19 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Why don't we require that such Israel giveaways be funded by donations from their supporters, instead of taken forcibly as taxes from all Americans?

#15 | Posted by Robson at 2014-07-30 10:20 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

It is an election year with tons of Jewish votes up in the air

Didn't you learn anything from the leaked Michelle Nunn campaign strategy document? It's not their votes that is most important, it's their money. According to that document, about all the blacks and hispanics have to offer is votes.

Democrats give minorities just enough to keep them complacent and voting for democrats. Republicans would do a lot better with minorities if they stopped being so damn antagonistic toward them. I believe that most minorities vote for democrats because they are not republicans.

#16 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2014-07-30 10:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

Lewt's see if Obama has the ------ to not sign this, given the massive FU's Israel has given Obama. I doubt it, but one can hope.

#17 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-07-30 10:54 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

We have the best congress Israel could buy.

Death to Palestinians!

#18 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-30 10:59 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

See how they rush to help a country that's not in economic need yet allow our country to crumble?

There's no way this is what Truman had in mind.

#19 | Posted by Tor at 2014-07-30 11:16 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

The republican party, ladies and gentlemen. This is what you get when you vote theocratic idiots into office.

#20 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-07-30 11:19 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Democrats give minorities just enough to keep them complacent and voting for democrats. Republicans would do a lot better with minorities if they stopped being so damn antagonistic toward them. I believe that most minorities vote for democrats because they are not republicans.

#16 | Posted by FedUpWithPols

Repub's aren't just antagonistic toward minority with their WORDS, their POLICIES are antagonistic too. Minorities are not usually rich, and repub policies only help the rich. Being nicer to them isn't going to make a difference, if you're still trying to gut their schools.

#21 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-07-30 11:23 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

For years the GOP rants and raves about how we can't do x y and z because America's "broke".

Yet when Israel asks for money they get a blank check.

#22 | Posted by Tor at 2014-07-30 11:32 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

For those of you who didn't read the article..

While the Obama administration has pressed for a cease-fire, it also has backed Israel's desire to replenish its missile defense stockpiles. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel extended Israel's request to Congress last week.
..Obama is trying to suck up to the Israelis just as hard as the republicans.

#23 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-07-30 11:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

Obama is trying to suck up to the Israelis just as hard as the republicans.

#23 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-07-30 11:40 AM | Reply | Flag

Not to mention Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and Chuck Schumer etc... But don't tell speak she's liable to apoplectic.

#24 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-07-30 11:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'll say this for the Democrats at least when they hold primary debates they don't start off by trying to prove they suck up to Israel more than their opponents.

#25 | Posted by Tor at 2014-07-30 11:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

Will this expenditure be offset with a cut to the US Diplomatic Corps?

#26 | Posted by catdog at 2014-07-30 12:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Congress should just give Israel a Visa Card with an unlimited credit limit.

#27 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-30 12:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'll say this for the Democrats at least when they hold primary debates they don't start off by trying to prove they suck up to Israel more than their opponents.

#25 | Posted by Tor at 2014-07-30 11:53 AM | Reply | Flag

Why does that matter? They still suck up to them in the end. It's almost worse b/c they pretend like they won't suck up to them and then do.

#28 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-07-30 12:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Congress Rushes $225 Million Missile Package for Israel"

but please remember when a future terrorist detonates a nuke on american soil that it is 'our freedoms that they hate'...

#29 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-07-30 12:31 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

Ah ha. A v cunning move by Barry's administration. Expose the ingratitude of the Israeli's by their public repudiation of American diplomatic efforts and mocking of the Sec of State whilst overtly supporting Israel (which many in the public are beginning to question anyway).
As a plus, it calls into question Congress's judgement and loyalties, something consecutive WH's since Clinton have found extremely painful to do politically because of Israel's lobbying clout and public information operations on the US electorate.
If only the current USG were that smart......

#30 | Posted by tunde at 2014-07-30 01:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

the usual screamers who bitch and moan about every penny spent by the government are conspicuously absent here.

israel blowing up brown people is porn for rightwingers.

#31 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2014-07-30 02:27 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

.... This is What America Now Stands For!

**** The CRIMINAL US Congress AIDING & ABETTING the Israeli GENOCIDAL WAR MONGERS!!!

#32 | Posted by AntiCadillac at 2014-07-30 02:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's repulsive and sickening.

#33 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-07-30 03:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Why does that matter? They still suck up to them in the end. It's almost worse b/c they pretend like they won't suck up to them and then do."

They also aren't the ones who've invested in the claim that "America's broke".

That is now clearly pure bull****t.

#34 | Posted by Tor at 2014-07-30 03:48 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Seriously, we'd be much better off spending that money on Detroit.

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-30 05:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

When it comes to fixing our problems they pretend they can't even stand to look at each other but where it pertains to paying tribute to a foreign power there are no barriers to getting things done. - Sully

The Democrats are attaching it to some border utopia, and wildfire funding...

Death to Palestinians!
#18 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Its a defensive system...... Palestinians are threatened just as much as Israelis from Hamas rockets.

the usual screamers who bitch and moan about every penny spent by the government are conspicuously absent here.
#31 | POSTED BY ZARATHUSTRA

I am here, this is what the federal government should be doing, funding the "testing and development" of a defensive system. You wanna make the Russians stand up and take notice. The IronDome has done that. Now if Obama would only man up and put a missile defense system in Poland.

#36 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-30 05:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Seriously, we'd be much better off spending that money on Detroit."

Snoofy we could scatter it from hot air balloon to any city in America and it would still help America more than what congress is doing.

I of course think they should have used this money to invest in America's crumbling infrastructure.

#37 | Posted by Tor at 2014-07-30 06:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

I of course think they should have used this money to invest in America's crumbling infrastructure.

#37 | Posted by Tor

Then you should vote dem. Repubs don't care about infrastructure nearly as much as they care about tax cuts.

#38 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-07-30 06:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

I called both my Senators and Congressman today about this outrage of giving away hundreds of millions of dollars to Israel, that America doesn't have for fighting our forest fires, helping the elderly, strengthening the CDC for Ebola, fixing water infrastructure as in LA, and giving vets their due.....and to a staffer they said "I can't hear you".

These self proclaimed elites (traitors) to America need to see Leavenworth from the inside out.

#39 | Posted by Robson at 2014-07-30 07:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Then you should vote dem. Repubs don't care about infrastructure nearly as much as they care about tax cuts."

Already do that......some of the time.

What about you republicans out there who were tricked into believing America is flat broke by your party?

Do you plan to continue voting for them?

#40 | Posted by Tor at 2014-07-30 07:27 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Do you plan to continue voting for them?

#40 | Posted by Tor

I'm not voting republican until that party stops acting as if stupidity and stubbornness are admirable.

#41 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-07-30 08:06 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

The United States has long since been hijacked by a criminal syndicate. They are currently masquerading as "representatives" but are in fact part of an expansive secondary society that exists solely through parasitism of it's host society.

#42 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-07-30 09:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

#42 is brilliant.

The USA leadership can clearly see that Palestinians are not being murdered fast enough and have decided to accelerate the process.

#43 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-30 10:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Rogers should seriously consider changing this site's name to The Conspiracy Nut's Lounge and Bar. Nuttort.com.

#44 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-30 10:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Rogers should seriously consider changing this site's name to The Conspiracy Nut's Lounge and Bar. Nuttort.com.
#44 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-30 10:09 PM

They are referred to as the 1%, the ownership society, the wealthy elite, etc. We are used for their benefit, while they do not benefit us whatsoever - that is 100% parasitism.

#45 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-07-30 10:23 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

www.bloomberg.com

Senate leaders want to give the Pentagon an immediate $225 million for the U.S.-funded, Israeli-built system, then more money in the fiscal year that begins Oct. 1.

The added $225 million for the current fiscal year would be used "to accelerate production of Iron Dome components in Israel to maintain adequate stockpiles," Hagel said in the letter.

The money -- which would be included in an emergency spending bill directed mostly at child-migration issues on the U.S.-Mexico border -- would be in addition to the $351 million that's already under discussion for Iron Dome in fiscal 2015. It would bring the potential new funding to $576 million, compared with the $176 million requested by the Pentagon for the year that begins Oct. 1.

Anyone going to argue that we don't give Israel a blank check? See that US funded Israeli built part? What is the justification for the US to fund Israel's defense? Why can't Israel just pay for it? WTF???

nauseating

#46 | Posted by truthhurts at 2014-07-30 10:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

from the bloomberg article I posted

"While lawmakers have pressed for U.S. companies to get a share of Iron Dome funding, they wouldn't benefit from the $225 million, according to Hagel."

This is nothing more than the us handing a quarter billion to Israel, nothing more nothing less.

#47 | Posted by truthhurts at 2014-07-30 10:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

#45

Really? There is a .1 percent plutocracy in this country?

This is news! Someone, "STOP THE PRESSES!"

There is a Pulitzer in this for you I'm sure, buddy.

#48 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-30 10:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Corky and Danni suffer from the mindset that we live in a legitimate Democracy and the best way to achieve reform is to work diligently within the system. This assumption is false. That said, change is still possible, as people like Gandhi, Martin Luther King and Mandela have demonstrated. But it will not happen until people start taking to the streets and die for the cause. Historically, nothing else has ever worked. The rich have too much to lose and will not give up easily. They are always prepared to kill before they give up anything and the police are happy to oblige.

#49 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-30 10:45 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 4

"Corky and Danni suffer from the mindset that we live in a legitimate Democracy and the best way to achieve reform is to work diligently within the system."

Hey, just sign some petitions. That'll get you some hope and change.

#50 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-07-30 11:00 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

-the best way to achieve reform is to work diligently within the system.

Movements are worked hard for, not obtained by ranting about things we have understood for decades. We have examples of how they are accomplished with our own Peace and Civil Rights movements, we groom and elect leaders that can persuade and convince, not who can "Lock and Load!".

-people start taking to the streets and die for the cause.

You missed the guillotine party by several centuries, and....

www.sing365.com

#51 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-30 11:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

#50

Nihilists don't believe in voting. It's meaningless. People might as well go shoot themselves.

#52 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-30 11:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

#52 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-30 11:03 PM | Reply | Flag: Meaningless post

#53 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-07-30 11:10 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#53 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2014-07-30 11:10 PM | REPLY | FLAG- Meaningless poster.

#54 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-30 11:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

"with our own Peace and Civil Rights movements, "

Accomplished by people taking to the streets and engaging in mass civil disobedience, not by partisan petition signers.

#55 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-07-30 11:11 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Accomplished by people taking to the streets and engaging in mass civil disobedience... along with elected officials and with the backing of a Democrat President, thank you very much, not advocating violence in the streets as that poster was doing.

Your Hate blinds you.

"You say you want a revolution
Well you know
We'd all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well you know
We'd all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be alright [x3]

You say you got a real solution
Well you know
We'd all want to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well you know
We're all doing what we can
But if you want money for people with minds that hate
All I can tell you is brother you'll have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be alright [x4]

You say you'll change the constitution
Well you know
We'd all love to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well you know
You better free your mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know know it's gonna be alright"

You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow.

#56 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-30 11:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

When did Gandhi or MLK resort to violence? Violence is the sole domain of the State. Mandela spent 27 years in prison when he used that approach. Protestors that resort to violence never succeed. But protestors had to die before Unions were able to form. Workers had to die unnecessarily before OSHA and MSHA became the law of the land. When the State resorts to violence, its popular support declines.

#58 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-30 11:24 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Corky hears what he wants to hear. Protestors should not be the violent ones, if they want to succeed. But they must be willing to put themselves in harms way before any meaningful results can be expected. The State will always resort to violence before change takes place. This is a given historically.

#59 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-30 11:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

"When did Gandhi or MLK resort to violence? "

Both of those movements had more militant alternatives that put pressure on the State. The establishment could embrace King while killing Black Panthers.

#60 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-07-30 11:35 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

-When did Gandhi or MLK resort to violence?

- But it will not happen until people start taking to the streets and die for the cause.
#49 | POSTED BY NUTCASE

You appear ready to do just that.

#60

lol, just another nutty conspiracy theorist.

#61 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-31 12:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

Thank goodness. We should help our only REAL ally in the region. We should stop infantalizing the Palestinians.

blogs.telegraph.co.uk

#62 | Posted by drudge_comment at 2014-07-31 12:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

"lol, just another nutty conspiracy theorist."

That's dumb.

#63 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-07-31 12:43 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#56 Corky,if you were a real beatles fan you'd know there was to recordings of that song..."But when you talk about destruction Don't you know that you can count me out/in"

#64 | Posted by bruceaz at 2014-07-31 12:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

-When did Gandhi or MLK resort to violence?

He had a protective guard because violence was brought upon him in multiple instance. We're talking about a revolutionary cause and the government wanted nothing to do with it, regardless of it's nature and meaning. They will always be behind the curve, so to speak, so they employ violent means to eradicate popular opposition. That's just historical fact.

- But it will not happen until people start taking to the streets and die for the cause.
#49 | POSTED BY NUTCASE

If this is a war of guns, we lose. Ideas, we win. Ideas rarely have as succinct a message of as a bullet.

You appear ready to do just that.
#60
lol, just another nutty conspiracy theorist.
#61 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-31 12:29 AM

I find that confusing. Many if not all of "our" representatives are bought and paid for by lobbys such as Israels. That's not conspiracy, but the unfortunate fact.

What do you imagine was going through dubya's mind after Andrew Card interrupted him with the news of a terrorist assault? Anything to do with 240.3 billion in securities? Ya think?

#65 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-07-31 01:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

Corky and Danni suffer from the mindset that we live in a legitimate Democracy and the best way to achieve reform is to work diligently within the system. This assumption is false. That said, change is still possible, as people like Gandhi, Martin Luther King and Mandela have demonstrated. But it will not happen until people start taking to the streets and die for the cause. Historically, nothing else has ever worked. The rich have too much to lose and will not give up easily. They are always prepared to kill before they give up anything and the police are happy to oblige.

#49 | Posted by nutcase a

Great post!

#66 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2014-07-31 01:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

What are we to do then nutcase?

Die for money?

#67 | Posted by Tor at 2014-07-31 02:00 AM | Reply | Flag:

Tor,

Almost no one wants that. Almost no one goes out into the streets to commit suicide. But until enough people protest nothing changes....and when lotsa people go out into the streets sooner or later someone gets killed by the police. When this news becomes a documented (photographed) headline, things start to change, because the violation of our constitutional rights, which is completely out of control, becomes intuitively obvious to the most casual observer. This creates a tipping point.

#68 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-31 09:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

While I don't disagree with your premise Nutcase I do question the validity in this day and age of Big Brother NSA. Could any movement gain anything like the popular support of the civil rights movement without being shut down?

The government violence only backfires on them if it is in the public eye to do that you need it to occur at a mass protest. If all such mass protests are monitored while still in the planing stage they can be shut down before they reach critical mass.

I think the future of protesting is going to be more on the scale of quickly organized and quickly dispersed flash mob type. It is possible to get the government to commit violence against such and with our connected culture those images could still be distributed with relative ease. Small quick surgical protesting not the mass scale of the Civil Rights movement.

#69 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2014-07-31 10:00 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#68

Fine. You go first.

#70 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-31 11:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

Do we give any aid to Palestine in one form or another? Who gets that aid? Does Hamas get any of that money?

Why does Israel seek to improve their defenses and infrastructure with our aid while Hamas does almost nothing to protect the civilians of Palestine with their aid?

Bomb shelters anyone?

#71 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2014-07-31 12:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

225.000.000 equals

Salary and benefits of 300 new Border Patrol Agents over the 10 years

1.875.000 million sq ft of newly constructed preschools

22.500.000 new saplings to be planted in Urban areas

@ 7$ per shot = 32.000.000 malaria shots to Africa

#72 | Posted by aescal at 2014-07-31 03:28 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Boy oh boy...,Congress doesn't waste any time on bickering and gridlock when they write these guys a check!!!

#73 | Posted by shane at 2014-07-31 03:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

@ AESCAL

When FDR's CCC was up and running there wasn't a business within an hours walking distance that didn't see a sharp rise in sales.

#74 | Posted by Tor at 2014-07-31 03:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Fine. You go first."

#70 | Posted by Corky

I would, but, hey,....I gotta go to work!

#75 | Posted by shane at 2014-07-31 03:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

#69 | POSTED BY TAOWARRIOR

OWS was as close as we've come to a meaningful protest in 40 years. The problem was lack of a leader and a focused campaign...it was too loose and disorganized. That leaves a gaping Siberian hole (see that?) for the gov't to insert agitators/moles to create a violent flashpoint and discredit the whole lot.

#76 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-07-31 04:10 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

The problem was lack of a leader and a focused campaign

Ironically, the Tea Party and OWS started off with the same goals, but it was the leadership and focused campaign of the Becks and Palins that co-opted that movement.

#77 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-31 04:13 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Small quick surgical protesting not the mass scale of the Civil Rights movement."

This is how it would have to be.

U.S. Government Snoop technology of today is so overwhelming, and shockingly invasive. Effective future protesting would have to develop tactics and techniques to try to stay one step ahead of it.

#78 | Posted by shane at 2014-07-31 04:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

these morons in Washington can work together on a missile package for Israel but can not do anything about our borders, helping Israel to keep their sovereignty while we lose ours. how nice of them

#79 | Posted by danv at 2014-07-31 04:53 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

'these morons in Washington can work together on a missile package for Israel but can not do anything about our borders, helping Israel to keep their sovereignty while we lose ours. how nice of them"

It's rather telling what country they care about most.

#80 | Posted by Tor at 2014-07-31 05:41 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

If it is good for Israel, it's good for making America poor and a perpetual terrorist target.

Congress remains ever vigilant giving our jobs to China, our paychecks to Israel, keeping our workers poor and borders open, and making the war on terror an eternal profitable policy.

#81 | Posted by Robson at 2014-07-31 08:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

How was this paid for again? Or has that balanced budget requirement now been conveniently dropped?

Plenty of money for War....So little for Peace.

#82 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-07-31 08:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

.... Their Job in Washington is Covering Up Israel's War Crimes!

**** These Politicians with BLOOD on their Hands are running your country...do you feel reassured...how about patriotic?

#83 | Posted by AntiCadillac at 2014-07-31 10:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

Protestors that resort to violence never succeed.

-----------

See French Revolution.

Bolshevik Revolution

Cuban Revolution

Iranian Revolution

Dumb comment.

#84 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-07-31 10:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

oh. And the American Revolution... Just for the #$%^ of it.

#85 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-07-31 10:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

@ SHAWN

And more recently there was the Arab Spring.

#86 | Posted by Tor at 2014-08-01 12:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

Great. Advocating violence to change our system when votes will still work. There are enough non-voters who, if persuaded to vote, could change just about anything in this country.... and eventually most things that need changing.

Opting for violence means you ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow.

#87 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-01 12:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

Opting for violence means you ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow.

Most times organized violence against a government ends like this:

#88 | Posted by Tor at 2014-08-01 12:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

Like a musical?

:^)

#89 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-01 12:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Like a musical?"

LOL

I always thought the musical version of that great story was crap.

However this scene + good editing and good music is close enough to what actually took place for me to admire it.

#90 | Posted by Tor at 2014-08-01 01:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Opting for violence means you ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow."

#87 | Posted by Corky

Oh, I don't know, I think a lot of great American political movements have evolved into violence; then back out again . The American Civil War being probably the greatest example. Do you think slavery could have been abolished any other way? I really don't know(food for thought).The Civil Rights movement(riots,inner cities on fire),and Campus protests against the Vietnam War were full of civil disobedience. The Labor movement to start Unions(which really created the modern middle class)in the United States could be very bloody at times.

I'm not advocating violence, but you have to admit in the past various political discourses in this country ,it has gone there.....and it was effective.

#91 | Posted by shane at 2014-08-01 04:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

#91

Civil disobedience is one thing, as I said, but saying that nothing will happen until people are dying in the street as one poster said, is quite another.

#92 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-01 04:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

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