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Tuesday, July 29, 2014

The United States has concluded that Russia violated a landmark arms control treaty by testing a prohibited ground-launched cruise missile, according to senior American officials, a finding that was conveyed by President Barack Obama to President Vladimir Putin in a letter on Monday. It is the most serious allegation of an arms control treaty violation that the Obama administration has leveled against Russia. At the heart of the issue is the 1987 treaty that bans American and Russian ground-launched ballistic or cruise missiles capable of flying 300 to 3,400 miles. That accord, which was signed by President Ronald Reagan and Mikhail Gorbachev, the Soviet leader, helped seal the end of the Cold War.

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To quote Obama in 2012: "You said Russia. And the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back. Because the Cold War has been over for 20 years."

And you wonder why people want their vote back ...

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Mustang, did you actually read the whole piece you posted?

Last paragraph:

""For the United States to declare that we are pulling out of the treaty in response to what Russia has done would actually be welcome in Moscow because they are wrestling with the question of how they terminate," Stephen Rademaker, a former Bush administration official, told the House Armed Services Committee this month. "We shouldn't make it any easier for them. We should force them to take the onus of that."

#1 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-29 12:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

Did I say we should violate the treaty as well? No. On the other hand, manning up and calling him to tell him you're pissed off is certainly warranted. As far as Russia taking the onus to pull out of the treaty, it seems as if they've already done that, haven't they?

#2 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-07-29 12:26 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

This can't be right... Ron Paul has declared on teevee's that Putin a great guy.

#3 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-07-29 12:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ron Paul is a crazy old man, who mixed a hat full of good ideas in with another hat full of whackadoodle.

#4 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-07-29 12:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

"On the other hand, manning up and calling him to tell him you're pissed off is certainly warranted"

vrs

"1.5 Cheers for Putin.", Rod Dreher, The American Conservative

#5 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-07-29 12:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

RALPH PETERS (3/4/2014): Russia has a real leader. ... And our President just is... he's incapable and unwilling to lead.
BILL O'REILLY (3/4/2014): In a way, you gotta hand it to Putin. He knows the West is weak.

RUDY GIULIANI (3/3/2014): Putin decides what he wants to do, and he does it in half a day. ... He makes a decision, and he executes it, quickly. Then everybody reacts. That's what you call a leader.

#6 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-07-29 12:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

"On the other hand, manning up and calling him to tell him you're pissed off is certainly warranted"

Man up, like this

ERIC BOLLING (3/4/2014): Putin likes to hang out with his shirt off. Obama wears mom jeans. Putin tells the West, "If you mess with me, I'll kill you all."
SARAH PALIN (3/3/2014): People are looking at Putin as one who wrestles bears and drills for oil. They look at our President as one who wears mom jeans and equivocates.

CHARLES PAYNE (3/4/2014): This is a guy that wrestles tigers while the President wears mom pants!

#7 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-07-29 12:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

SEAN HANNITY (3/5/2014): It's like they want Obama to seem weak to the Russian people, that they don't respect weakness. ... There you got Putin, big, strong, muscular, on a horse.

#8 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-07-29 12:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

Vlad Putin, 2016!

Hell, he'll even get some far lefty votes.

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-29 12:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yup. He weak alright, but still this whine emanates from your cake hole(s):

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN (1/14/2014): Did President Obama miss the class about the three equal branches of government?
JON SCOTT (2/14/2014): Doesn't he act more like a king than a president?
JAY SEKULOW (6/18/2012): He's not the king!
HARRY ALFORD (2/27/2013): Emperor Obama does what he wants to do.
SEAN HANNITY (2/11/2013): An imperial president shredding the Constitution.
ERIC BOLLING (8/27/2012): He gutted the Constitution with Obamacare.
FRANK LUNTZ (12/2/2010): ... shoved down the throats of the American people ...
MONICA CROWLEY (2/8/2012): That's a form of tyranny.
FOX NEWS GUEST (2/18/2014): Those are the actions of a dictator.
JASON MATTERA (10/4/2013): Barack Obama needs to be reminded that he is not a dictator.
RALPH PETERS (3/4/2014): You know, it's funny, Putin actually reminds me in a peculiar way of my mother.

On one whine he is weak, the next whine he is strong arming poor little "conservatives"

HAR~HAR~

#10 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-07-29 12:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh, now I get it.
Obama is a "weak" dictator who has only managed be a "tyrant" to you poor little "conservatives"

#11 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-07-29 12:50 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

#11 Question, Chuffy....do you think Kim Jong Un is a world leader? Is Maduro a 'world leader' who had the respect of the rest of the world?

I'll wait.

Ok, so unless you're utterly dense, the answer you arrived at was "no". And yet they are both dictators when it comes to national policy. Weak international respect....powerful dictators who disregard human rights and rule of law within the boundaries of their nations. See what I'm driving at...the difference between national authority and international authority? That's what you have here with Obama. A guy who has the entire weight of the federal government behind him to do almost anything he wants "with a phone and a pen", but that has limited (and waning) respect from leaders overseas.

I know you won't understand any of this, or will choose not to, but you did such a fine job of kindergarten cut-and-paste, I felt obligated to provide you a response.

#12 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-07-29 01:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

And you wonder why people want their vote back.....

What would Romney have done, specifically, to avoid this?

#13 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-29 01:25 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

"but that has limited (and waning) respect from leaders overseas"

Can you see these world "leaders" from your basement window? And do they also attend your regular séance with ‘The Founders"?

Which one of these "overseas leaders" did you last converse with?

#14 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-07-29 01:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's definitely in their best interest to get out of it. They were vulnerable to the stealth "silver bullet", but not outright dominated in the air when they signed it.

Their stealth fighter program is like a car company that can make a concept car, but fail badly at turning that into a production car. It makes the F-35 project look well managed. They need a multi-stage Iskander type platforms to cover that gap and provide a survivable, reliable long range precision strike capability.

#15 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-07-29 01:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Maybe at a minimum don't remove the missile deal with Poland. You might not want to whisper into Medvevded or whatever that you'll be more flexible after the election? That might be a start. I find it funny that Obama sent him a letter. I wonder if Putin even read it.

#16 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-07-29 01:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Also, it's just sad/funny how wrong Obama was about Romney comments on Russia. It shows Obama had not understanding of who Putin is.

#17 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-07-29 01:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Look like the "experts" have observed the Cold War is now back on ----- amazingly having never left the comfort of their basement lair.

Russia first began testing the cruise missiles again as early as 2008.

#18 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-07-29 02:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Chief, that actually makes Obama look more impotent.

#19 | Posted by visitor_ at 2014-07-29 02:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

And the USSA has violated the same treaties how many times?

Answer: dozens.

#20 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-07-29 02:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

And the USSA has violated the same treaties how many times?

Answer: dozens.

Posted by Shawn at 2014-07-29 02:22 PM | Reply

We have American Exceptionalism on our side. Exceptional arrogance that is.

#21 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-29 02:24 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

"Chief, that actually makes Obama look more impotent."

Who cares.
None of you all seemed to care much about any of this from 2008 to now.

#22 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-07-29 02:26 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

So what? With the insane advancement of technology, this was bound to happen sooner or later.

And anyone who thinks Russia is our greatest geopolitical foe is an idiot. The reason sanctions aren't working is because of how backwards the Russian economy is.

Our number one adversary is China. They don't saber rattle against us. They don't waste time fighting petty turf wars with us. They just continue to pressure us economically through bank moves and free trade.

#23 | Posted by Sycophant at 2014-07-29 03:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

"What would Romney have done, specifically, to avoid this?"

Nothing. Just those currently complaining would not be.

#24 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-07-29 07:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

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