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Monday, July 28, 2014

Juan Cole: Israel has no strategic war aims in Gaza because it has no large scale, long term strategy concerning the Strip. Its war is all about tactics and minutiae. How many tunnels and rockets can it destroy? How much damage can it inflict on the Hamas leadership? But tunnels and rockets can be rebuilt and the dead leaders' cousins will take over after them. It is frankly stupid to think the Israelis can, in Mitt Romney?s words, kick the can down the road forever on making peace with the Palestinians. It hasn't tried because Israel wants Palestinian land and resources and won't give them up.

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The one strategy Israel has is to use collective punishment and a blockade on children and other non-combatants in an attempt to weaken Hamas. But even if they could succeed (so far they haven't), the Israelis don

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garbage...pure garbage..

the writer mentions the embargo if you will....uh lets see...they bring in rockets and suicide and other weapons from IRAN....so Israel can't try and block those from people sworn and proven to want to kill them all ?

garbage,..pure garbage...

#1 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-07-28 09:25 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

It hasn't tried because Israel wants Palestinian land and resources and won't give them up.

No ----, Shakespeare. Only a low grade moron or a Texan believes anything otherwise. And Hama has the same interest in peace as Nuttyahoo.

#3 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-07-28 09:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

they bring in rockets and suicide and other weapons from IRAN....so Israel can't try and block those

Oh, they can try.

The results of them trying is that they have to invade Gaza every three years.

I think the author is suggesting that they should try something else. But they don't have a Plan B.

Peace does not benefit Netanhayu. Homemade rockets landing in Israel benefits Netanyahu. That's about all you need to know about this conflict.

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-28 09:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

afkunble,

Israel is actually blockading, stealing land & water and killing Palestinians at a furious pace. The reverse simply is not true. Hamas is attempting to defend its position by fighting back. As with all freedom fighters or terrorists, they do this on a limited budget.

#5 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-28 09:58 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Israel has no strategic war aims in Gaza because it has no large scale, long term strategy concerning the Strip.

It sure looks like there's a plan. It's a purely defensive invasion and colonization. Because these offensives are always defensive. The trick is to subjugate your new subjects. This offensive/defensive is just for tenderizing the new meat. If they can kill a member of each family then they will be quiet just for the chance that the missiles won't come for the remaining.

#6 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-07-28 10:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

If they can kill a member of each family then they will be quiet just for the chance that the missiles won't come for the remaining.

You you are saying Hamas isn't hiding their weapons near heavy concentrations of civilians.

#7 | Posted by LEgregius at 2014-07-28 10:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

If they can kill a member of each family then they will be quiet just for the chance that the missiles won't come for the remaining.
#6 | Posted by BruceBanner

Taggart: I got it! I know how we can run everyone out of Rock Ridge.
Hedley Lamarr: How?
Taggart: We'll kill the first born male child in every household.
Hedley Lamarr: [after some consideration] Too Jewish.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-28 10:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

You you are saying Hamas isn't hiding their weapons near heavy concentrations of civilians.

#7 | Posted by LEgregius at 2014-07-28 10:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

They're all living in a broom closet. Where are they going to be hidden? It's an impossibility that they would be at some command base away from people.

The whole human shield discussion is just an excuse for excessive violence.

#9 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-07-29 12:06 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

"Pure garbage"

Being that most of afkas ideas are garbage, he is the expert.

#10 | Posted by klifferd at 2014-07-29 12:42 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

.they bring in rockets and suicide and other weapons from IRAN

Hmmmm. Is suicide produced or grown in Iran?

It was always one of those things the cool kids had, so I've never gotten to see it up close.

#11 | Posted by jpw at 2014-07-29 04:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

Peace does not benefit Netanhayu. Homemade rockets landing in Israel benefits Netanyahu. That's about all you need to know about this conflict.

Sorry snoof. Obama signing the ACA is loaded with nefarious schemes and plans to drag 'Murica! down the socialist toilet. It's obvious to anyone with a brain. Duh!

But Netayahwhogivesa[...] is pure as the driven snow. I'm sure he cries himself to sleep over those telegenic children killed hourly by the IDF.

#12 | Posted by jpw at 2014-07-29 04:30 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

You you are saying Hamas isn't hiding their weapons near heavy concentrations of civilians.

#7 | Posted by LEgregius at 2014-07-28 10:24 PM | Reply |

Where in Gaza are there not heavy concentrations of civilians? The Israelis are committing genocide because they want all of the Palestinian land. Until the Israelis pay a serious toll in these wars in terms of their own casualties there will be no peace.

They enjoy spending our American money, being in a superior position and shooting fish in a barrel. The US people will end up paying for Israel's destructive behavior just as we did in Iraq and (allegedly) on 9-11.

#13 | Posted by Robson at 2014-07-29 08:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

It'll never be over so long as Israel keeps them insecure and defenseless.

It'll only end when real borders are established and respected.

Bot Israel will never let that happen; no upside.

#14 | Posted by 88120rob at 2014-07-29 08:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Hmmmm. Is suicide produced or grown in Iran?"

I dunno...I'll post and you decide.

"During the Iran-Iraq War, the Ayatollah Khomeini imported 500,000 small plastic keys from Taiwan. The trinkets were meant to be inspirational. After Iraq invaded in September 1980, it had quickly become clear that Iran's forces were no match for Saddam Hussein's professional, well-armed military. To compensate for their disadvantage, Khomeini sent Iranian children, some as young as twelve years old, to the front lines. There, they marched in formation across minefields toward the enemy, clearing a path with their bodies. Before every mission, one of the Taiwanese keys would be hung around each child's neck. It was supposed to open the gates to paradise for them.

At one point, however, the earthly gore became a matter of concern. "In the past," wrote the semi-official Iranian daily Ettelaat as the war raged on, "we had child-volunteers: 14-, 15-, and 16-year-olds. They went into the minefields. Their eyes saw nothing. Their ears heard nothing. And then, a few moments later, one saw clouds of dust. When the dust had settled again, there was nothing more to be seen of them. Somewhere, widely scattered in the landscape, there lay scraps of burnt flesh and pieces of bone." Such scenes would henceforth be avoided, Ettelaat assured its readers. "Before entering the minefields, the children [now] wrap themselves in blankets and they roll on the ground, so that their body parts stay together after the explosion of the mines and one can carry them to the graves......

"Already, what began in the early ‘80s with the clearing of minefields by human detonators has spread throughout the Middle East, as suicide bombing has become the terrorist tactic of choice. The motivational shows in the desert – with hired actors in the role of the hidden imam – have evolved into a showdown between a zealous Iranian president and the Western world. And the Basiji who once upon a time wandered the desert armed only with a walking stick is today working as a chemist in a uranium enrichment facility."

www.matthiaskuentzel.de

#15 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-07-29 11:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

The inability of most of you to see the pro-active role the Palestinians have played in this tragedy is mind boggling. I guess when most of you choose a side you just close down your brain and go into "fan" mode.

#16 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-07-29 11:47 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

The inability of most of you to see the pro-active role the Palestinians have played in this tragedy is mind boggling. I guess when most of you choose a side you just close down your brain and go into "fan" mode.

Posted by moder8 at 2014-07-29 11:47 AM | Reply

That can be said about the unquestioning supporters of Israel. They can do no wrong and can do whatever that they want Carte Blanche.

#17 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-29 11:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

The whole human shield discussion is just an excuse for excessive violence.

That's because you only see one side. It should be a discussion about waging war amid civilians and using them as shields.

It never crossed your mind that maybe the muslims shouldn't be doing this with so many civilians around?

#18 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-29 11:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

Larry, I respectfully disagree. I am a supporter of Israel. I have no problem acknowledging loudly and clearly that Israel has unnecessarily and provocatively poured gasoline all over the situation via continued developments of settlements on disputed land. The point is, that is one part of the analysis. Some of you pretend that all analysis begin and end with any actions by Israel which can be portrayed as blameworthy. So few of you are really willing to hold the Palestinians responsible for their own outrageous actions.

#19 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-07-29 11:55 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"The inability of most of you to see the pro-active role the Palestinians have played in this tragedy is mind boggling. I guess when most of you choose a side you just close down your brain and go into "fan" mode."

You are absolutely, 100% correcto mundo! All anyone with three brain cells would have to do would be to look at the actions of Muslim extremists everywhere they exist and how other Muslims tolerate it and often approve.

#20 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-07-29 12:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

#19 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-07-29 11:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

What is the difference between supporting one side 100% while denying they do wrong and supporting one side 100% while acknowledging they do wrong?

Either way you are not holding them accountable for what they've done.

I agree with you that people who make excuses for the violent idiocy of Palestinians are in denial. But if they acknowledged wrongs committed by the Palestinians while still supporting them just as much, there wouldn't be any functional difference.

#21 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-29 12:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

That can be said about the unquestioning supporters of Israel. They can do no wrong and can do whatever that they want Carte Blanche.
#17 | POSTED BY LARRYMOHR

Not at all Larry, I would critical of operations that targeted civilians explicitly and for no good reason. But tunnels and missiles are within domiciles of civilians. Israel asked them to leave the area. What nation does that? Does the US when its about to do a drone strike, tell the people in the area to leave? Who else does that? It has to be the most civilized way to run a war, if there is such a thing.

I do distinguish between Hamas and Palestinians. I don't hold the Palestinians responsible for what Hamas has been doing since the Israelis left Gaza nine years ago.

Each time Hamas acts out, Israel tightens the noose, this sort of response has been happening since the First Intifada.

How Hamas supporters can turn a blind eye on its oppression is beyond my understanding, from political, gays, women, religions, burning of books.

#22 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-29 12:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

How Hamas supporters can turn a blind eye on its oppression is beyond my understanding, from political, gays, women, religions, burning of books.

Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-29 12:07 PM | Reply

Sounds like today's GOP to me.

#23 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-29 12:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

"So few of you are really willing to hold the Palestinians responsible for their own outrageous actions."

True...they fit the description of "useful idiots" to a tee.

"As with previous assaults and conflicts orchestrated by an array of regional Islamic terrorist groups against Israel, not much attention is being paid to the way Hamas uses its own Palestinian citizens as human shields, or its deliberate and intentioned strikes on Israeli civilian neighborhoods and population centers.

Hamas sees the use of human shields as a win-win, since if the tactic deters an Israeli response, its fighters and weapons will be safe, and if Israel does respond, the civilian casualties can be internationally exploited for propaganda purposes. Despite this doctrine and logic, few in the mainstream media find it necessary to be critical and report on Hamas's efforts both to encourage Palestinians to unknowingly serve as human shields and to directly and deliberately target Israeli areas of population – many of which, by the way, consist of Jews, Muslims, and Christians."

"Another example of this was noted this past Tuesday, when Hamas's Al Aqsa TV in Gaza aired the group's spokesperson, Sami Abu Zuhri, urging the population of the Gaza strip to refuse to heed warnings and to use their bodies to shield Hamas facilities:

[T]his attests to the character of our noble, Jihad-fighting people, who defend their rights and their homes with their bare chests and their blood. The policy of people confronting the Israeli warplanes with their bare chests in order to protect their homes has proven effective against occupation. Also, this policy reflects the character of our brave, courageous people. We in Hamas call upon our people to adopt this policy, in order to protect the Palestinian homes."

www.americanthinker.com

#24 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-07-29 12:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Israel now declaring 44% of GAza to be "no-man's land" pretty much spells out their real intentions for all of Gaza. I try not to defend the Palestinians either but perhaps they have known all along that Israel intends to steal their land and are fighting back they only way they can. The building of settlements would surely have shown them what to expect in the future.

#25 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-29 12:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Zionists and Islamic fundies blowing each other up. Considering both a poison on the face of the planet, I say just let it sort itself out and worry about our own issues.

Few things make me heartless. But people who culturally just can not let violence go (culturally, not genetically or racially - I'm no antisemite, I just have no use for the moral cesspool that is the middle East until it decides to catch up to the enlightenment) can go ahead and die by said violence for all I care.

#26 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-07-29 12:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

So some people believe that those who were encircled in a concentration camp should be willing to subjugate themselves to their oppressor so they may eat and live.

If on of the prisoners should decide that freedom and democracy are worth fighting for they break the covenant with their captors and may be readily killed. Along with their family in order to keep the region "Quite."

I find it amazing in these modern times people will support gencide and concentration camps due to hate.

#27 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2014-07-29 12:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Israel has no strategic war aims in Gaza because it has no large scale, long term strategy concerning the Strip."

Well, maybe the Fundraiser-in-CHIEF [...] has some kind of large scale, long term strategy about SOMETHING! We'll have to wait a month or so until he gets back though. Don't hold your breath.

#28 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-07-29 12:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Fascist imperialists always propagandize that the people that they are murdering deserve it.

No state has the right to exist. That is what the Palestinians have been saying for decades. This has been purposely mistranslated into the trope of "Jews have no right to exist" by propagandists in Israel and in the states. It is all lies. i.e. "They hate us for our freedom". And idiots continue to believe it in order to justify their hatred.

#29 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-07-29 12:43 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

"No state has the right to exist. That is what the Palestinians have been saying for decades."

Somehow I have the feeling that they don't apply that rule to the "Caliphate" or the "Islamic State."

"This has been purposely mistranslated into the trope of "Jews have no right to exist" by propagandists in Israel and in the states.

Unfortunately, I'm experiencing severe nausea as a result of statements like this and will have to depart.

#30 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-07-29 12:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

t hasn't tried because Israel wants Palestinian land and resources and won't give them up.

No ----, Shakespeare. Only a low grade moron or a Texan believes anything otherwise. And Hama has the same interest in peace as Nuttyahoo.

#3 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-

"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser."

― Socrates

#31 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-07-29 01:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

afkunble,

Israel is actually blockading, stealing land & water and killing Palestinians at a furious pace. The reverse simply is not true. Hamas is attempting to defend its position by fighting back. As with all freedom fighters or terrorists, they do this on a limited budget.

#5 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07

to believe this I would have to take the word over terrorist killers sworn to kill all the jews.....OR believe what the only democratic government and our allies....I choose not to believe the terrorists group which by the way is the definition of HAMAS by our own state department unless obama has changed that.

Hamas is fighting back ? I find that very hard to believe...as it was hamas which reportedly sacrificed children in some cases to build the tunnels....but I assume you don't believe that.....if I'm right, then, I guess you don't think the tunnels exist and bring weapons and suicide bombers into Israel and others that bring same from iran...

#32 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-07-29 01:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

Poor baby has a tummy ache?

Imagine being a Palestinian who cannot leave their concentration camp while being bombed by their Moral Superiors?

#33 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2014-07-29 01:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

afkunble,

Israel is actually blockading, stealing land & water and killing Palestinians at a furious pace. The reverse simply is not true. Hamas is attempting to defend its position by fighting back. As with all freedom fighters or terrorists, they do this on a limited budget.

#5 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07

but what a pleasure it is to 'talk' to someone about it rather than be subjected to "SOME PEOPLE" ....I hope I have responded in kind.

#34 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-07-29 01:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

It'll never be over so long as Israel keeps them insecure and defenseless.

It'll only end when real borders are established and respected.

Bot Israel will never let that happen; no upside.

#14 | Posted by 88120rob at 2014-

so what is your version of how his latest got started...

#35 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-07-29 01:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Babbles, My post is directed to several posters here.

Good to see you identify with the sentiments.

#36 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2014-07-29 02:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hamas was voted in by these people. Do NOT try and tell me they didn't know what hamas was and what they would do..do they deserve ALL OF THIS because of that..NO ! but as I said, they knew this could happen and it has and Israel is defending themselves and no one from a liberal site will be able to convince me otherwise.

People who support every 'constitutional crime" of barak obama aren't really good sources for me on anything. I DO KNOW that if missiles stop, Israel stops as the cease fires have PROVEN.

AND the plo has had more than a couple of chances to get out of this so called 'concentration camp' and they and their leaders have chosen to say NO....why is hamas able to be in control of gaza and this made up people called palestinians ? they were voted in and then got MILLIONS of our money and even things from Israel...what did they do with those things?

#37 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-07-29 02:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Let me understand .....you kick a dog every day. He growls at you but does not bite, so you pick up a stick and every day you walk by the dog and hit it...but it does not bite you...so about a month later you take a brick and throw it at the dog and he keeps moving so he does not get hit...so after weeks of that you throw a lot of rocks at the dog to insure you hit it....and the dog jumps off of the porch and rips you a new one...and it is the DOGS Fault??

The only reason there has not been massive killing of Israel citizen is because of the missle defense we gave them and then funded the improvement. ( Missile defense that the Democrats have stated for year would never work and who have cut the funding for year after year).

This will ONLY stop with the complete defeat and the destruction of Hamas. And it may not stop then. As long as the Muslim embrace the policies of the Nazi and are comitted to the removal of Israel this will continue.

It is HAMAS fault. The death of the innocents is on the hands of Hamas. Israel did not start this...did not put the rockets on the hospitals, did not put them in school yards and did not build the tunnels. Isreal did not fire the rockets. Hamas and Islam in general is the problem.

#38 | Posted by foshaffer at 2014-07-29 02:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hamas and Islam in general is the problem.
#38 | Posted by foshaffer

Well said.

Any thoughts on a Final Solution?

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-29 04:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

How Hamas supporters can turn a blind eye on its oppression is beyond my understanding, from political, gays, women, religions, burning of books.
#22 | Posted by AndreaMackris

Huh?
Who in this thread has come out as a Hamas supporter???
Aside from Israel in the early 1980s, who is a Hamas supporter?

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-29 04:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

#38 So much propagandist tribalistic garbage that it would take me pages to unravel.

Suffice it to state that calling the only nuclear power in the region the victim is equivalent to saying that the Native Americans had it coming.

#41 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-07-29 04:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Some people seem to have forgotten how we got here, so here's a reminder:
The Israeli PM who favored peace was assassinated by a right-wing Jew.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-29 05:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

We got here in the present problem because Hamas shot rocket's at Israel. Yes they have nukes and could have used them... do you think Hamas would have not used it?

As to final solution. I don't have one. The only real solution is the elimination of Islam which I find unconscionable

#43 | Posted by foshaffer at 2014-07-29 08:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

besides the missiles...HERE"S what's causing the war.....this is what was built with money given to these killers instead of building hospitals and schools as the MILLIONS was intended to do...

www.nytimes.com

#44 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-07-29 08:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

The only reason there has not been massive killing of Israel citizen is because of the missle defense we gave them and then funded the improvement. ( Missile defense that the Democrats have stated for year would never work and who have cut the funding for year after year).

This will ONLY stop with the complete defeat and the destruction of Hamas. And it may not stop then. As long as the Muslim embrace the policies of the Nazi and are comitted to the removal of Israel this will continue.

It is HAMAS fault. The death of the innocents is on the hands of Hamas. Israel did not start this...did not put the rockets on the hospitals, did not put them in school yards and did not build the tunnels. Isreal did not fire the rockets. Hamas and Islam in general is the problem.

#38 | Posted by foshaffer at 201

BEST post on the subject.....also, your analogy with the MAD DOG is appropriate as well....I know that no matter how liberal many of our fellow DR"s are...they have this stuff coming at them, they're singing a completely different song.

#45 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-07-29 08:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Huh?
Who in this thread has come out as a Hamas supporter???
Aside from Israel in the early 1980s, who is a Hamas supporter?

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 20

those who are calling Israel the terrorists to start but most are more tacit about it......but the FACT is clear....a un driven cease fire and Israel isn't alive for long....

ANOTHER FACT....why is it that Hamas is in charge of gaza to begin with...ISRAEL WILLINGLY gave that land up...we saw footage of Israeli solders PULLING JEWS from homes......

and we still hear from time to time about our support of sadaam and bin laden under different circumstances.....I believe we the taxpayers sent 400 million to gaza ..,,and obama wants what ? 40 million more...what did they do with that money ?

and then of course...if you aren't with us...you're against us.

#46 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-07-29 09:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Hamas and Islam in general is the problem."

Hamas, yes. Islam in general, no.

#47 | Posted by sentinel at 2014-07-30 12:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

those who are calling Israel the terrorists to start

So if I say Israel (Likud, really) are being terrorists, that means Hamas can't be terrorists?

That's just dumb.

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-30 12:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

Huh?
Who in this thread has come out as a Hamas supporter???
Aside from Israel in the early 1980s, who is a Hamas supporter?
#40 | Posted by snoofy at 20
those who are calling Israel the terrorists to start but most are more tacit about it......but the FACT is clear....a un driven cease fire and Israel isn't alive for long....
ANOTHER FACT....why is it that Hamas is in charge of gaza to begin with...ISRAEL WILLINGLY gave that land up...we saw footage of Israeli solders PULLING JEWS from homes......
and we still hear from time to time about our support of sadaam and bin laden under different circumstances.....I believe we the taxpayers sent 400 million to gaza ..,,and obama wants what ? 40 million more...what did they do with that money ?
and then of course...if you aren't with us...you're against us.
#46 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-07-29 09:07 PM

Why don't you ever question the information you are fed? For how long were those Zionists displaced from Palestine? If I remember correctly they were moved to a different illegal colony, never leaving Palestinian land whatsoever.

As for the power of Hamas - I really can't envision those rockets being moved through anything less than the tunnels - and how is that even possible with separate roads a gigantic wall covered with barbed-wire and sealed checkpoints?! UNLESS they are being brought in by Hamas sympathizers? People who would love nothing less than pretext for murdering Palestinians and stealing their land.. hmm, who could that be?

#49 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-07-30 12:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

are you REALLY accusing Israel of seeing to it that those missiles are fired on their own people. I KNOW YOU ARE but it's so incredulous and ridiculous that I have to make sure that last line is correct?

in the words of the last GREAT TENNIS chracter.

"YOU CAN"T BE SERIOUS"....

caps because he would yell you see...get it...

#50 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-07-30 11:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

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