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Monday, July 28, 2014

In an incident covered by the local news, a former Sarasota, Florida, school bus driver was shown in a video filmed by her neighbors yelling a threat and racial slurs. Pamela Michener, 52, threatens to slit a neighbor's throat, yells racial slurs and then bellows, "Let me tell you something, you fat f------- n-----, maybe if you disciplined your f------ n-----, stinky-ass black children, I wouldn't have to put my two cents in." When approached by a reporter, Michener said, "First of all, I'm not a racist ... it's just the opposite."

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#1 | Posted by ichiro at 2014-07-28 05:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

So please tell us how your post is not a race bating partisan smear tactic?

I am not a Republican, but I do find this offensive and over the top.

#2 | Posted by path at 2014-07-28 05:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

The people who call this woman a racist are the real racists.

#3 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-28 05:41 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Tough nuts.

#4 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2014-07-28 05:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

The intolerance directed at this woman is alarming.

#5 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-28 05:58 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Whites cannot use the N word. Only blacks can do that.

Calling someone a derogatory term is not racism. It's being mean and insulting. But it doesn't imply someone thinks their race is superior to the other race.

#6 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-07-28 06:01 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

"First of all, I'm not a racist … it's just the opposite"

Signed,
RobThomas

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-28 06:22 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Calling someone a derogatory term is not racism.

If you don't think that this video is an example of racism, you're out of your mind. Racism is the only reason to make an issue out of the race of the woman and children she's yelling at.

#8 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-28 06:27 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

Blacks (Jews), aren't the problem. It's the zionists, wink wink, that are the problem.

Anyway, my mom should have piped down once they told her they were filming.

#9 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-07-28 06:27 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 3

I don't know, Rcade. I'm sure you've MF'd somebody, and called the fat, or a retard, yet you didn't really believe they were MF's or retards, or even really fat for that matter.

If not for the "stinky-ass black children" part, I would have given her the benefit.
The real question is whether or not she makes the black kids sit in the back of the bus.

#10 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-07-28 06:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Calling someone a derogatory term is not racism. It's being mean and insulting. But it doesn't imply someone thinks their race is superior to the other race.

Calling someone a derogatory term that itself is a prejudicially bigoted stereotype is indeed racist. Racism doesn't have to include "race" at all. It is the purposeful, systematic illegal discrimination directed by an empowered class of people over another class that limits or eliminates the latter group's rights or opportunities for no other reason than being a member of the targeted group.

#11 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-07-28 06:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

#9

It's been worth ten years of waiting for that one 101. Touche.

#12 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-07-28 06:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why are any of you discussing a thread posted by that loon?

What's to discuss?

#13 | Posted by eberly at 2014-07-28 06:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Can I say she was just calling a spade a spade?

#14 | Posted by 88120rob at 2014-07-28 06:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

If you don't think that this video is an example of racism, you're out of your mind. Racism is the only reason to make an issue out of the race of the woman and children she's yelling at.

#8 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2014-07-28 06:27 PM | REPLY | FLAG

So blacks calling other blacks the 'N' word is racism because one black thinks they are superior to the other black? Or is it just a cultural slur?

#15 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-07-28 06:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Calling someone a derogatory term that itself is a prejudicially bigoted stereotype is indeed racist. Racism doesn't have to include "race" at all. It is the purposeful, systematic illegal discrimination directed by an empowered class of people over another class that limits or eliminates the latter group's rights or opportunities for no other reason than being a member of the targeted group.

#11 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2014-07-28 06:35 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

So explain the meaning of two blacks calling each other a prejudically bigoted stereotypical word.

#16 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-07-28 06:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

Blacks do discriminate amongst themselves. The darker they are the more heat they take from other blacks. The ones they call "redbones" take the most heat.
Just like Hispanics are racist towards other flavors of Hispanic, blacks hate on their own, too.

That being said, I believe it is used as an insult more than its used as a "racist term". You're going for the "hurt" factor.

#17 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-07-28 07:05 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

So explain the meaning of two blacks calling each other a prejudically bigoted stereotypical word.

It's quite easy to explain, but I personally do not agree with the explanation:

It's analogous to a black citizen being forced to sit in the back of the bus versus choosing to sit in the back of the bus as did I and my black friends back in the late 60's in Indiana. The word was a bastardization of the Niger region of Africa and spoken with subhuman intent by those who popularized the term. Choosing to embrace the term was viewed as an empowering gesture -- endearing when the offspring of former slaves use it amongst themselves, with and without bile -- , throwing it back into the faces of its historical proponents as well as creating a double standard that irritates sensitive whites as well. A twofer.

To me the word is the embodiment of evil and man's inhumanity to his fellow man regardless of the color of the person it comes out of, but this is America. If people choose to abandon the word so be it. If decent people view it as ignorant, that's a step in the right direction too.

#18 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-07-28 07:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

That being said, I believe it is used as an insult more than its used as a "racist term". You're going for the "hurt" factor.
#17 | Posted by 101Chairborne

It's insulting precisely because it's racist.
Is that lost on you, or do you really not want to admit it?

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-28 07:25 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

So blacks calling other blacks the 'N' word

Has nothing to do with this.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-28 07:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes, blacks are more prejudiced depending on the shade of their skin. The really dark girls are always available.

#21 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2014-07-28 07:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

So blacks calling other blacks the 'N' word is racism because one black thinks they are superior to the other black?

That's a dumb question. I could explain why it's dumb, but you won't get it because you don't want to understand.

#22 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-28 07:37 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

So blacks calling other blacks the 'N' word is racism because one black thinks they are superior to the other black?

So I see post #11 whistled right through your ears, eh?

#23 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-07-28 07:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

That being said, I believe it is used as an insult more than its used as a "racist term"

To determine whether it is an insult or a racist term answer the following question: would the "insult" be recognized as an insult if directed toward a white person? When directed toward a non black, the insult is generally ni..er lover.

#24 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2014-07-28 07:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes, white people would be insulted by being called the n word.
It would mean they're white/trailer trash.

#25 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-07-28 07:49 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

So blacks calling other blacks the 'N' word is racism because one black thinks they are superior to the other black?

That's a dumb question. I could explain why it's dumb, but you won't get it because you don't want to understand.
#22 | Posted by rcade

Dimes to donuts, in real life, any time a white person gets called out for using the N word, he protests that black people get to use the N word.

I'll go double or nothing: Every time the topic of slavery comes up, his contribution to the discussion is that blacks sold other blacks into slavery.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-28 07:50 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

The N word... means you're white trailer trash.
You just can't make this stuff up!

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-28 07:51 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

It would mean they're white/trailer trash.

Yeah, you find a lot of those folks in and around Niger....

#28 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-07-28 07:56 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Simply put, by limiting the words one can use, based upon his or her race, is a racist policy.

#29 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-28 08:18 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

28
Oh, are we pretending its modern usage doesn't exist?

#30 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-07-28 08:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Simply put, by limiting the words one can use, based upon his or her race, is a racist policy.

I knew we'd get back to the idea that calling a racist a racist is racist.

#31 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-28 08:24 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

Oh, are we pretending its modern usage doesn't exist?

No, just making an ironic joke. But seriously, who began the practice of calling "white/trailer trash" individuals the N-word? It surely wasn't black people was it? There certainly weren't whites who used the term against their own when slavery was still legal or even up to the 1960's, so why the sudden change?

To me, the entire concept of non-blackish/colored people being called the N-word has been forwarded by the very same lineage of folks/culture that invented the term in the first place, trying to hide behind an idiotic moral equivalency that has never existed.

Although I've heard ME people called "sand-n-words," this recent deflective "modern useage" only seemed to pop up when the original usage began to be viewed with scorn by the masses instead of the open acceptance it used to be greeted with in more unenlightened days.

#32 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-07-28 08:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

#31 is part and parcel of the rightwing playbook. We seem to see it play out in every thread where idiot is OBVIOUSLY behaving in a racist manner.

#33 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-07-28 08:42 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

28
Oh, are we pretending its modern usage doesn't exist?
#30 | Posted by 101Chairborne

It's pretty clear who's doing the pretending in this thread.
But in case it's not, it's you, Mackris, and this Rob clown.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-28 09:58 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

#34 | Posted by snoofy

Yup!

#35 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2014-07-28 10:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

It is the purposeful, systematic illegal discrimination directed by an empowered class of people over another class that limits or eliminates the latter group's rights or opportunities for no other reason than being a member of the targeted group.

#11 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-07-28 06:35 PM | Reply |

There's a number of us that have repeatedly said something should be done about that racist democratic party.

#36 | Posted by matsop at 2014-07-28 10:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

would the "insult" be recognized as an insult if directed toward a white person? When directed toward a non black, the insult is generally ni..er lover.

#24 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2014-07-28 07:41 PM | Reply

It wouldn't bother me a bit. The problem is we've raised a generation of PC reprobates and now we're paying the price.

#37 | Posted by matsop at 2014-07-28 10:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

I knew we'd get back to the idea that calling a racist a racist is racist.

#31 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-28 08:24 PM | Reply |

Calling a racist a racist when they're not a racist is stupidity.

#38 | Posted by matsop at 2014-07-28 10:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Calling a racist a racist when they're not a racist

Apparently racism comes in all forms, including Zen Koan.

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-28 10:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

This bus driver appears to live in a "multi-cultural" community. I believe she has heard the very terms she used multiple times by her erstwhile neighbors. Since she has probably heard it used multiple times by some of her multi-cultural neighbors as an insult, she in all likelihood uses it as an insult as well. She probably is not racist; in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if she had a little "multi-cultural" blood cells in her blood stream.

Now, if moder8 and Rcade hurled those invectives in their uppity neighborhoods instead of the sanctity of their bedrooms, we could certainly assume their racism.

#40 | Posted by matsop at 2014-07-28 10:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

The ranting woman is clearly racist. That she does not consider herself one means she reserves the term for more extreme, murderous behavior. What i don't know of this story is why she was fired from her job (while believing she should never have had it)? What stressed her to this point? She feels threatened obviously by declaring she'll slit someone's throat. i do think she is a focal point now & definitely in danger (in great part due to her own lack of self control).

i hope she would swallow her racist pride, apologize as sincerely as possible, and move to another city or, better yet, state. Or...maybe the Klan will rally to protect her. She behaves as if her attitude is well institutionalized in that town. The most dangerous racist (or classist) is covert, and will treat the object of his scorn very politely & affectionately.

#41 | Posted by kenx at 2014-07-28 11:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

I knew we'd get back to the idea that calling a racist a racist is racist.
#31 | Posted by rcade

That is an oversimplification of the proposition.

I have no problem calling a racist a racist, but your definition of what is a racist in this case, is subject to racist rules, that is all I said.

Own it.

So long as you agree your policy is racist, I have no problem with it.

#42 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-28 11:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

Mackris,

Why is it so important to you that the woman who refers to her customers as "f------ n-----, stinky-ass black children" not be racist?

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-28 11:22 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

She's been listening to too much of that rap music.

#44 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-07-29 02:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

saw PURGE: ANARCHY tonight. SOME good scenes, very uneven, but mostly hated it. kinda futuristic conspiracy / V for vendetta without but without Natalie Portman ~ austin chron gives it 3.5 stars, i'd say 1.5. There are two heroes, a White loner & a Black militant leader of a righteous Black army, who, after 90 mins. of bad dialog & character development, magically end up in the same unlikely place at the climax to kick ass.

somehow it fits in w/this thread

#45 | Posted by kenx at 2014-07-29 02:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

edited & posted to Austin Chronicle
kxtc • 11 minutes ago
saw *THE* PURGE: ANARCHY tonight. SOME good scenes, very uneven, but mostly hated it. kinda futuristic conspiracy / V for vendetta but without Natalie Portman ~ austin chron/Goss gives it 3.5 stars, i'd say 1.5 ~ *There are two unrelated handsome heroes, a White loner & a Black militant leader of a righteous Black army, who, after 90 mins. of BAD dialog & misc. character development, magically end up in the same unlikely place at the climax to kick the ass of a common oligarchic enemy.*

#46 | Posted by kenx at 2014-07-29 03:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

White grownups are very brave insulting our Black children.

They bravery exhibited is off the charts.....NOT!

#47 | Posted by fresno500 at 2014-07-29 06:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

The supposed double standard with the n-word doesn't even really exist.

I've heard people of many different ethnic orgins use slurs that refer to their own group and its understood that if an outsider says it, that wouldn't be acceptable. If a white person calls his family "white trash", that doesn't mean he's going to take it well coming from someone else.

The n-word is not and has never been the only word in our language where who is saying and in what context changes the meaning.

I would wager that if we were being honest with ourselves, we would all acknowledge to knowing this damn well. Unless you're some kind of stinky foreigner from another culture....

#48 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-29 09:15 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Sully gets an NW flag.

#49 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-29 09:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

The n-word is not and has never been the only word in our language where who is saying and in what context changes the meaning. I would wager that if we were being honest with ourselves, we would all acknowledge to knowing this damn well.

Yes, we would. Some people here like to pretend they don't understand how language works. I think they need better hobbies.

#50 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-29 09:44 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

The n-word is not and has never been the only word in our language where who is saying and in what context changes the meaning. I would wager that if we were being honest with ourselves, we would all acknowledge to knowing this damn well.

Examples?

#51 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-07-29 10:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

To me the word is the embodiment of evil and man's inhumanity to his fellow man regardless of the color of the person it comes out of, but this is America. If people choose to abandon the word so be it. If decent people view it as ignorant, that's a step in the right direction too.

#18 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2014-07-28 07:16 PM | FLAG:

I agree completely with you. So why is it acceptable for behavior for black on black, but not white on black? It is because the standards are lowered for black people?

#52 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-07-29 10:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

It is because the standards are lowered for black people?

Your choice of words is interesting. Why "lowered"? Why not "different"?

Was that an unfortunate choice of words or do you have a propensity for associating "lower standards" with black people?

#54 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2014-07-29 10:28 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Your choice of words is interesting. Why "lowered"? Why not "different"?
Was that an unfortunate choice of words or do you have a propensity for associating "lower standards" with black people?

#54 | POSTED BY FEDUPWITHPOLS AT 2014-07-29 10:28 AM | REPLY | FLAG

If a shunned behavior is acceptable for group A and not group B, then standards are lowered for group A.

Read the context and stop assuming and accusing people.

#55 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-07-29 10:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

Examples?

#51 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-07-29 10:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

As I already stated in the post to which you are responding - any ethnic/racial slur can be viewed the same way. People of a given group will joke with these words among themselves or use them affectionately but they won't tolerate it from outsiders.

Not only that but everyone already knows that the meaning of words can change in certain contexts. That's the way our language works. I'm not your third grade teacher so its not my job to teach you this.

Your willingness to take one for the team by acting like you really don't know this stuff was amusing at first. But I'm not going to answer the same questions over and over. If your "point" is entirely based on your pretending that you don't things that are common knowledge, you don't have a point.

#56 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-29 10:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

#52-55

I second Sully. In no manner have I implied that the use of the n-word is acceptable for any group. I merely gave you the reasons certain people have chosen to use it in the context that they do.

It seems the problem is yours in discerning the difference.

#57 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-07-29 10:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

Your willingness to take one for the team by acting like you really don't know this stuff was amusing at first. But I'm not going to answer the same questions over and over. If your "point" is entirely based on your pretending that you don't things that are common knowledge, you don't have a point.

#56 | POSTED BY SULLY AT 2014-07-29 10:40 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

I ask for examples to support your statement/claim and you can't provide one. My point was every time I've heard the "N" word used, it was in the context of a social slur and not a statement of racial purity or superiority. It was an attempt to place a person into a perceived 'lower' tier of society.

#58 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-07-29 10:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

It seems the problem is yours in discerning the difference.

#57 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2014-07-29 10:45 AM | REPLY | FLAG

I just disagree with the notion that the pigment of someones skin should be used to determine what is acceptable behavior towards others. This is the wrong message to be sent to our children, but it is being sent.

#59 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-07-29 10:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

"I ask for examples to support your statement/claim and you can't provide one."

I said any ethnic or racial slur. Take your pick. Don't tell me you don't know any. That's your example.

You can also Google "Words change meaning in context" and find any number of resources that will explain to you how this works with non-slurs.

"My point was every time I've heard the "N" word used, it was in the context of a social slur and not a statement of racial purity or superiority. It was an attempt to place a person into a perceived 'lower' tier of society."

I suppose that's possible but not likely given how common the other usage is in pop culture (movies and music).

#60 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-29 11:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

I vote racist. There is too much anger in her insults to be anything but.

#61 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2014-07-29 11:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

So why is it acceptable for behavior for black on black, but not white on black?

Because in order to destroy a culture within a race, you must lower standards of conduct and morality. White democrats don't want to lower standards within their own race, only the black race to keep them dependent.

The democrat/liberal playbook to a tee..

#62 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-29 12:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hence the term Boaz, et.al, "Democratic Plantation"

#63 | Posted by path at 2014-07-29 01:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

My point was every time I've heard the "N" word used, it was in the context of a social slur

So far so good...

and not a statement of racial purity or superiority.

And that's where you lost it.

It was an attempt to place a person into a perceived 'lower' tier of society.
#58 | Posted by RobThomas

Racism is when you place someone, for example by calling a black child a n-----, into a lower tier of society, simply because of their race.

You sound like one of those people who would fly the Confederate flag and say "it's not hate, it's heritage." Without understanding that the heritage it represents is a heritage of hate.

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-29 03:05 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I'm not sure where this falls in this discussion but there is use, seemingly acceptable too, in hip hop culture independent of the users skin tone.

So there is a bit more to the "current usage" point that was made earlier than was accepted I believe.

#65 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2014-07-29 03:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Racism is when you place someone, for example by calling a black child a n-----, into a lower tier of society, simply because of their race.

#64 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2014-07-29 03:05 PM | FLAG:

You simply parroted what I said. And then build a straw man to say I'm full of hate.

You suffer from post modern logic which says green is green only until I say it is yellow.

#66 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-07-29 03:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

You simply parroted what I said. And then build a straw man to say I'm full of hate.

The lady yelling in this video, do you perceive her as being full of hate? Maybe you don't. I seem to recall you're the guy who thinks it's not hateful to yell at a bus full of immigrant children.

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-29 03:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

You simply parroted what I said.

I was hoping that by using your own words you might understand what myself and so many others are attempting to convey about racism.

You said using the n-word was a social slur. I agree. Why is it a slur? Because of the history of black people in America, who were in fact kept in a "lower tier of society" for centuries simply because of their race. Thus, the slur, while being a slur, operates as a slur precisely because of racism.

#68 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-29 04:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

The lady yelling in this video, do you perceive her as being full of hate? Maybe you don't. I seem to recall you're the guy who thinks it's not hateful to yell at a bus full of immigrant children.

#67 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2014-07-29 03:59 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

I could care less what this lady is doing. She is obviously a disturbed person who makes a fool of herself. Call it hate if you want, I call it mental illness.

It is possible to have an opinion and express it strongly without being full of hate.

#69 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-07-29 06:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why is it a slur? Because of the history of black people in America, who were in fact kept in a "lower tier of society" for centuries simply because of their race. Thus, the slur, while being a slur, operates as a slur precisely because of racism.

#68 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2014-07-29 04:03 PM | REPLY | FLAG

You still will not answer the question on why blacks find it acceptable when blacks call other blacks by the 'N' word. It is because they are held to a lowered standard?

#70 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-07-29 06:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

#70

I explained it to you in post #18 so why are you asking the same question? Only certain blacks find the word "acceptable" and the numbers are dwindling as we speak.

Facts are that the word has different connotations when its used by blacks, some meant to be positive by its speakers and others just as vile and negative as the plantation owner's demeaning tone towards his "property" which he could kill at will. Historically, its use by non-blacks has almost exclusively been negative as a point. Reread 18 and let me know what it doesn't explain.

#71 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-07-29 07:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

"You still will not answer the question on why blacks find it acceptable when blacks call other blacks by the 'N' word."

an example of this and the reason. At some point gay activists began using the Q-word to describe themseves & various groups, the idea being to take negative energy away from the word. i don't know that that actually worked, meaning, if a homophobe uses the word towards a gay person, that the sting of the word has been deactivated.

i've been listening to pop group TLC's album Fan Mail. It has the song No Scrubs, which i like a lot & is one of my all-time favorite music videos. The next track is a fun song that is divided in two, an overly pretty love song and a hard-edged rap. The N-word is used frequently in the 2nd part. i love it.
Good at Being Bad
Sunny days ~ Birds singin' sweet soundin' songs of love
(That's so pretty girl) As we walk hand in hand, Just kickin' up sand
As the ocean lands at our feet (Ooh) I'm in your arms
And all of your charms are for me (Not for me) Check it:
~click~
I need a crunk tight n---- makes seven figgas
Laced with a platinum, not the silver sh-- n----
X to L stigga, ten inch or bigga
Know how to lick it and stick it, wha, wha

N---- you must be cra-zee, what you gonna do with a b---- like me
I'm so good at being bad, I'm the best you never had
I epitomize the word sex-ee, n---- you must be cra-zee
What you gonna do with a b---- like me, you're in my s--- so tight
Make you c-- all night and you can't handle me, baby (etc.)

#72 | Posted by kenx at 2014-07-29 07:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

You still will not answer the question on why blacks find it acceptable when blacks call other blacks by the 'N' word. It is because they are held to a lowered standard?
#70 | Posted by RobThomas

Well, it's a pretty dumb question. Who are these blacks who find it acceptable? Which blacks are calling other blacks the N word? Are there two black people in this situation, three, or more?

But to get to your question, I have a friend who greets me "What's up ------?" This person is not homophobic, they're just being coarse because I assume it's fun for them.

The other thing to consider is reclaiming or repurposing the word itself as a way to diminish the animus. "Queer" was a slur used against homosexuals but nowadays you hear about "queer pride." From wikipedia,

"Originally meaning strange or peculiar, queer developed a usage as a pejorative term for homosexual in the late 19th century. Beginning in the late 1980s, some political and social LGBT groups began to reappropriate the word to establish community and assert a political identity, with it becoming the preferred term to describe some academic disciplines and gaining use as a descriptor of non-heterosexual identities."

While we're on the topic, why do you think it's acceptable for you to draw overly broad inferences from the way people you don't even know speak amongst themselves? You're making a lot of assumptions, you betcha.

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-30 12:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

The n-word is not and has never been the only word in our language where who is saying and in what context changes the meaning. I would wager that if we were being honest with ourselves, we would all acknowledge to knowing this damn well.

Examples?

Redneck.

Coonass.

#74 | Posted by jpw at 2014-07-30 02:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

#74 | POSTED BY JPW

Don't forget w--ger

#75 | Posted by Lohocla at 2014-07-30 03:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

Two things I can't stand, one is a racist the other a fat f------- n-----

#76 | Posted by FlyUntied at 2014-07-30 08:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

You still will not answer the question on why blacks find it acceptable when blacks call other blacks by the 'N' word. It is because they are held to a lowered standard?
#70 | Posted by RobThomas

You invented the word. We have taken the word and flipped it as a term of endearment among OURSELVES.

From you, it's still has the same "old" connotations.

Simple enough?

#77 | Posted by fresno500 at 2014-07-30 07:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

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