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Monday, July 28, 2014

U.S. officials released satellite images Sunday they say offer proof that Russian forces have been shelling eastern Ukraine in a campaign to assist rebel groups fighting Ukraine's government in Kiev. Obama Administration officials said as early as last week that the Russians were launching attacks in eastern Ukraine. The U.S. Office of the Director of National Intelligence, which released the civilian-taken satellite images Sunday, said they show visual evidence that Russia has been firing shells across the border at Ukrainian military forces. Officials also said the images show that Russia-backed separatists have used heavy artillery, provided by Russia, in attacks on Ukrainian forces from inside Ukraine.

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Soon we're going to see a world with a war on all fronts. Scary times.

#1 | Posted by CalifChris at 2014-07-28 08:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

Putin is a threat to the entire world. The sooner we recognize it the better. Angela Merkel is making a huge mistake, Europe needs to stand up to this menace before it is too late.

#2 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-28 08:54 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#1 I fear you are correct. Russia in Ukraine/Crimea, China and the Senkakus, Taiwain and the South China Sea region, North Korea, a half-dozen psychotic Islamic terrorists organizations, the United States and "the brown wave" coming across our borders, Venezuela melting down, Syria spilling over, Israel versus Hamas, ISIS going full-whacko in Iraq....you have to wonder where the keystone is that is keeping the avalanche at bay...

#3 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-07-28 08:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

Putin is a threat to the entire world. The sooner we recognize it the better. Angela Merkel is making a huge mistake, Europe needs to stand up to this menace before it is too late.

Posted by danni at 2014-07-28 08:54 AM | Reply

With all due respect Danni. I don't fear Putin.

#4 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-28 08:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

"With all due respect Danni. I don't fear Putin."

You live thousands of miles away from Russia and in a country which was never a part of the USSR. Those not so priveleged do fear Putin and today some of them are NATO members which makes it our problem too. Eastern Europe fears Putin, we can ignore that threat because it doesn't threaten us and then return to the cold war. Sounds non-threatening until you consider that we were under the threat of nuclear war continuously during the cold war. To return to that era, purely for the ego of Putin, is perhaps the worst thing we can pass down to our children and it does seem that is where we are now heading.

#5 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-28 09:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Putin is a threat to the entire world. The sooner we recognize it the better. #2 | POSTED BY DANNI"

no...he's a threat to the Ukraine. and it's none of our business. Just like the other 195 other countries in the world are none of our business.

what is our business? our borders, infrastructure, economics, unemployment, western drought and wildfires, inflation, etc, etc.

#5 "some of them are NATO members which makes it our problem too"

no...it's Ukraine's problem. We need to come home. our house has fallen into disrepair. but i know better. america has become a meddlesome instigator of world chaos run by the political-corporatists who line they're pockets with the blood of their little green plastic army-men game.

and the average american doesn't even see it.

#6 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-07-28 12:43 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

"no...he's a threat to the Ukraine. and it's none of our business. Just like the other 195 other countries in the world are none of our business.'

That's your opinion and I just happen to disagree with it. I think NATO is an important alliance which counterbalanced the USSR and is now doing the same for Russia and that without it Putin would invade much of eastern Europe. I believe Putin is dangerous for the entire world and needs to be watched closely and forced to pay dearly for his conquests. I'm not recommending military force though, more like economic consequences, the bigger the better. It needs to hurt him and his cronies.

#7 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-28 01:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

"no...it's Ukraine's problem. We need to come home. our house has fallen into disrepair."

Our house being in disrepair is a direct consequence of reducing the rates our richest citizens and corporations pay in taxes. Easily solvable.

#8 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-28 01:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

#8 Danni, I know you know this, so I'm only pointing it out for any lesser intellects on the DR that might read your post and believe it to be true..

Reducing the income tax rate on our richest citizens will have little or no impact, because they tend to not earn their money the way you and I do (wages, tips, etc). They earn their money through investments. The only way to really address the income inequality is to rewrite the tax code from scratch.

Step 1 is to treat all income as income, regardless of source.
Step 2 is to eliminate loopholes. If you live/operate in the US and earn money, we tax it (true for income and corporate taxes).
Step 3 is to create 3 income tax brackets: $0 - $100,000, $100,000-$250,000 and >$250,000. 10%, 20%, 30%. Write-offs for earnings that are reinvested in manufacturing (encourages growth and hiring).
Step 4 is to lower the corporate tax rate while eliminating the loopholes that allow them to pay an "effective rate". Encourages investment.

#9 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-07-28 01:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

#9 | POSTED BY MUSTANG GT

That tracks similarly to what Simpson-Bowles came up with.

#10 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-28 01:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

We must abandoned this disarmament treaty with Russia.

Invading another country violates any trust in this treaty we need to rearm our nuclear aircraft and subs.

#11 | Posted by tmaster at 2014-07-28 01:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

This is a False Flag op! It's really The Fascist Imperialist US shelling the Russians... what you are seeing is a Photoshoped negative!

Here, let me get Vernon' Calculator and an Alex Jones link to prove it...

#12 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-28 01:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

"We must abandoned this disarmament treaty with Russia. "

That would be stupid. Nothing should be allowed to interfere with nuclear disarmament.

#13 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-07-28 01:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

#12 Shawn? Is that you, Shawn?

#14 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-07-28 01:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

#10 That's because it makes fiscal sense and robs politicians of power. For that same reason, it will never ever ever ever happen.

#15 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-07-28 01:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

Regarding Step1, why do you think the rates are different?

Its easy to speculate, making all incomes are equal will be good, but why are they different? Why is investment income a different rate?

Finally income inequality is simply a poor economy. More taxation won't change a thing....

We are currently receiving revenue at approx 20% of GDP, very little in tax policy has ever changed that.

#16 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-28 01:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

**** Admitted LISR Claims Russia Is Shooting Artillery Into Ukraine!

www.blacklistednews.com

#17 | Posted by AntiCadillac at 2014-07-28 02:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Andrea 2013 it was 16.7%, 1999 it was 19.2%.

#18 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-28 02:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Satellite Imagery Shows Russia is Shelling Ukraine"

This can't be right…
Ron Paul has already been on Teevee endorsing Putin as a nice guy.

#19 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-07-28 02:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

#16 They do that to encourage investment, but the fuzz has worn off that peach. We no longer invest primarily in manufacturing, for instance. Instead we invest in banks..we invest in insurance agencies..nothing that is going to HELP. No, instead of just letting Mister Big invest money in Goldman Sachs and suck dividends out at 15%, we tax that as income. I WOULD be willing to accept a proviso regarding investment in manufacturing, something to the effect that dividends earned from a corporation that uses that money to produce durable goods will reduce the tax on dividends to 15%. The problem with a loophole like that is that giant multicorps will buy some small manufacturing company that yields .01% of their annual profits and use it to become a low-tax investment shelter. Instead, I offer the alternative of a much lower corporate tax rate that encourages reinvestment in the company, which allows it to grow, which increases the yield on your investment. As a benefit, it increases GDP and lowers unemployment. More jobs means less welfare...less welfare means you could tweak the rates down a bit from time to time...country prospers.

#20 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-07-28 02:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

you have to wonder where the keystone is that is keeping the avalanche at bay...
#3 | Posted by MUSTANG

It's called nuclear Iran, and it doesn't exist yet.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-28 02:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

I still say Taiwan, now quite, is the biggest threat global annihilation.

#22 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2014-07-28 03:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

When do we get to see a map of bush/obamas drone murders?

I didn't think so.

#23 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-07-28 03:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

Putin is a threat to the entire world. The sooner we recognize it the better. Angela Merkel is making a huge mistake, Europe needs to stand up to this menace before it is too late.
Posted by danni at 2014-07-28 08:54 AM | Reply
With all due respect Danni. I don't fear Putin.
#4 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-28 08:58 AM

Their atomic fingerprints could be placed across this planet leading to unending wars.

As a weakening leader he might be a perfect foil, our "go-to" boogie-man. His economy raided, his military "interventions" astoundingly irrelevant. There is nothing he can effectively do without American permission other than tax his own people. They have plenty of biological warfare interspersed throughout central Russian cities - I imagine they were always intended to eradicate their civilization city by city. Why else would they manufacture newer nuclear weapons in the midst of aging nuclear weapons? To play dead.

#24 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-07-28 04:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

As a weakening leader he might be a perfect foil, our "go-to" boogie-man. His economy raided, his military "interventions" astoundingly irrelevant. There is nothing he can effectively do without American permission other than tax his own people. They have plenty of biological warfare interspersed throughout central Russian cities - I imagine they were always intended to eradicate their civilization city by city. Why else would they manufacture newer nuclear weapons in the midst of aging nuclear weapons? To play dead.

Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-07-28 04:27 PM | Reply

UGHHHHHHHHHHH Gulf War 2 version 2.0

#25 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-28 04:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

Unverified Russian Satellite imagery shows Missle being fired at MH17 by Ukranian National Guard

ireport.cnn.com

#26 | Posted by aescal at 2014-07-29 01:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

ireport.cnn.com

That's hilarious. Not vetted by CNN, put up by a conspiracy theorist... with a link to a video that is an obvious fake.

#27 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-29 01:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

If the State Department is basing their conclusions on "social media" whats the harm in investigating this claim, just as we should be investigating the "social media" claims? The truth is truth, and should be uncovered, no matter who it implicates.

#28 | Posted by aescal at 2014-07-29 01:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

"you have to wonder where the keystone is that is keeping the avalanche at bay..."

Here's a scary thought.

It may be they guy you call lurch.

Heck maybe instead of hating on him you should be praying he does well.

#29 | Posted by Tor at 2014-07-29 02:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

"...we need to rearm our nuclear aircraft and subs.
#11 | POSTED BY TMASTER

This is what RAND Corp wants you think.

#30 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-07-29 04:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

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