Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Sunday, July 27, 2014

Chris Hedges: If Israel insists, as the Bosnian Serbs did in Sarajevo, on using the weapons of industrial warfare against a helpless civilian population then that population has an inherent right to self-defense under Article 51 of the United Nations Charter. The international community will have to either act to immediately halt Israeli attacks and lift the blockade of Gaza or acknowledge the right of the Palestinians to use weapons to defend themselves. ... Israel does not have the right to drop 1,000-pound iron fragmentation bombs on Gaza. It does not have the right to pound Gaza with heavy artillery and with shells lobbed from gunboats. It does not have the right to send in mechanized ground units or to target hospitals, schools and mosques, along with Gaza's water and electrical systems. It does not have the right to displace over 100,000 people from their homes. The entire occupation, under which Israel has nearly complete control of the sea, the air and the borders of Gaza, is illegal.

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The failure of the international community to respond has left the Palestinians with no choice. The United States, since Israel's establishment in 1948, has vetoed in the U.N. Security Council more than 40 resolutions that sought to curb Israel's lust for occupation and violence against the Palestinians. And it has ignored the few successful resolutions aimed at safeguarding Palestinian rights, such as Security Council Resolution 465, passed in 1980.

The unanimous U.S. Senate vote in support of the Israeli attacks on Gaza, the media's slavish parroting of Israeli propaganda and the Obama administration's mindless repetition of pro-Israeli cliches have turned us into cheerleaders for Israeli war crimes. We fund and abet these crimes with $3.1 billion a year in military aid to Israel. We are responsible for the slaughter. No one in the establishment, including our most liberal senator, Bernie Sanders, dares defy the Israel lobby. And since we refuse to act to make peace and justice possible we should not wonder why the Palestinians carry out armed resistance.

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Hamas is now partnered with Palestine and as since they first attacked Israel I do not see where self-defense narrative is reality.

#1 | Posted by MSgt at 2014-07-26 07:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

So what should Israel do when Hamas breaks the truce?

Hamas breaches truce, resumes rocket attacks
After Israel extends lull in fighting by four hours, group says it agreed to no such move...... sure they want peace.... sure they do..
www.timesofisrael.com

#2 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-26 07:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

"...using the weapons of industrial warfare against a helpless civilian population then that population has an inherent right to self-defense under Article 51 of the United Nations Charter."

So Israel has the right to go after the people shooting missiles into their land.

#3 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-07-26 07:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hamas is now partnered with Palestine and as since they first attacked Israel I do not see where self-defense narrative is reality.

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Bald faced lie. Israel started it, and knew full damn well that Hamas had nothing to do with the kidnappings.

www.youtube.com

What actually happened.

#4 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-07-26 08:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

#2. Is pure obfuscation. You didn't even bother to read the article.

#5 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-07-26 08:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

"helpless civilian population"?

Hedges they're not Quakers.

#6 | Posted by Tor at 2014-07-27 01:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

If both (I/P) sides possessed a couple of suitcase nukes (Israel already has many) or preferably conventional armies, it would soon provide an incentive for peace. When one side wants the land of the other, and other has no serious military deterrent capability, where is the incentive for peace?

The only incentive is to convince the world they want peace while slowly pushing the weaklings into the sea and never quite achieving peace because of events/false flags. If both have the power to destroy the other, then we have a stalemate and that's what brings about peace. If it was up to just the average peoples there would have been peace decades ago, but when left up to politicians vying to create nationalism and conflict, it never happens.

#7 | Posted by Robson at 2014-07-27 02:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

"And since we refuse to act to make peace and justice possible..."

Peace and justice??? Please describe to us WHICH Muslim organization like the Muslim Brotherhood, Al Quaeda, ISIS, Hezbollah, Al Aqsa Martyrs, Boko Haram, Haggani, Islam Jihad and a host of others delivers "peace and justice!" SURELY we aren't asked to believe Hamas and the Palestinians deliver peace and justice from Gaza...are we? Israel relinquished the whole place to them and have been punished for that ever since.

#8 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-07-27 03:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Violence, even when employed in self-defense, is a curse. It empowers the ruthless and punishes the innocent."

As compared to appeasement, bowing, apologizing, "flexibility," and singing Kumbayah brings about "peace and justice" every time.

Who IS this idiot??? OH...I see, he was "educated (synonym=indoctrinated) at Harvard and Berkeley. (Pressing ignore button.)

#9 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-07-27 03:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

#2. Is pure obfuscation. You didn't even bother to read the article.

#5 | Posted by Shawn a

I didn't but I read comments like this which I'm quite sure supporters of these terrorists killers either haven't read these or don't care.

"Before Israel dies, it must be humiliated and degraded."

Khaled Meshaal

hamas leader.

As long as this is the official policy that's also in their 'charter', there is no amount of comments or lecturing that will alter Israel's right to defend itself THIS time, the NEXT time....which surely will come because of apologists and out and out support for terrorism being the main political entity in gaza..or any time rockets are flying and military equipment and enemy solders are moving through tunnels....tunnels reportedly built partially with money GIVEN to Gaza to build schools.

#10 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-07-27 03:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Analogizing the Israelis to the Bosnian Serbs is about the most offensive comparison I can imagine. It is a hate generated lie steeped ignorance and the desire to stir up anti-Israeli animus. [...]

#11 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-07-27 04:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hamas wants the Palestinian people to have the right of self determination. This includes being able to go fishing in the Mediterranean Sea, trade with other countries (including Israel) and travel for work or pleasure. Israel denies these people all these things and maintains a blockade of everything from concrete to medicine. Most Palestinians are unable to feed themselves and rely on the UN for food and primary education.

This who shot first stuff can never be resolved. But, Hamas is a response to the ever increasing grip on Palestinian self determination which Israel exerts.

#12 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-27 04:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Analogizing the Israelis to the Bosnian Serbs is about the most offensive comparison I can imagine. It is a hate generated lie steeped ignorance and the desire to stir up anti-Israeli animus. [...]

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Your are attempting to obfuscate the simple fascist imperialism being aided by the American empire by offering offense at a small part of the article. i.e. you have no facts to dispute, and no reason to be posting here.

#13 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-07-27 04:44 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

Gahhhh.... nutcase. The blockade allowed medicine... hyperbole in this discussion is unnecessary. The details from both are ridiculous enough as is.

#14 | Posted by monkeylogic42 at 2014-07-27 05:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

sure monkey, that's why the Israelis shot to kill, boarded and diverted a medical relief ship sent from Turkey with American and European doctors and nurses to help the Palestinians.

#15 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-27 05:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

"But, Hamas is a response to the ever increasing grip on Palestinian self determination which Israel exerts."

As I have stated often, Hamas and the "Palestinians" are a MAJOR pain in the @$$ to not only Israel but to Jordan and Egypt as well!

"Cairo (AFP) - Egypt's army said Sunday it has destroyed 13 more tunnels connecting the Sinai Peninsula to the Gaza Strip, taking to 1,639 the overall number it has laid waste to....

Ties between Hamas and Cairo have deteriorated since the Egyptian army deposed Morsi on July 3, 2013. Hamas is an affiliate of Morsi's Muslim Brotherhood."

news.yahoo.com

Other stories...I'm sure you didn't see them in the NYT or on ABC, CBS, NBC or MSNBC.

* Egypt army says 14 jihadists killed in Sinai AFPGunmen kill 21 * * * * Egyptian soldiers in checkpoint attack AFP
* Rocket kills three in Egypt's Sinai AFP
* Rocket kills four children in Egypt near Gaza border: sources Reuters
* Cairo has poured troops into the peninsula to counter a rising insurgency since the ouster of Islamist president Mohamed Morsi last year, and its security operation involves the destruction of these tunnels.

#16 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-07-27 05:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

#15 | POSTED BY NUTCASE

You and your little friends nursing on all this Israel-hating media need to quit drinking the kool-ade and seek enlightenment!

#17 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-07-27 05:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Two questions I'd like answered in the interest of full (Obama) full transparency.

How many of the people that post here have an IP in Israel or Palestine or at some pro Z think tank? How many reporting in our USA media are Zionists and how many non-Zionists?

#18 | Posted by Robson at 2014-07-27 07:14 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Hamas wants the Palestinian people to have the right of self determination. This includes being able to go fishing in the Mediterranean Sea, trade with other countries (including Israel) and travel for work or pleasure. Israel denies these people all these things and maintains a blockade of everything from concrete to medicine. Most Palestinians are unable to feed themselves and rely on the UN for food and primary education.

It would be nice if some of the strongest supporters of Israel here would acknowledge these facts.

If Americans were treated like Palestinians have been treated, we'd take up arms and fight. Yet we're surprised when they do.

I guess they're just supposed to suffer forever until Israel has gobbled up all of their land, one settlement at a time.

#19 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-27 07:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

I agree someone has the right to defend themselves against someone who is damaging or stealing their property but how is firing rockets into an "enemies" civilian population or digging tunnels under an "enemy" considered 'defensive'.

#20 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-07-27 07:36 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

sure monkey, that's why the Israelis shot to kill, boarded and diverted a medical relief ship sent from Turkey with American and European doctors and nurses to help the Palestinians.

#15 | POSTED BY NUTCASE AT 2014-07-27 05:11 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Is that why the Hamas command center is in the basement of a hospital?

#21 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-07-27 07:38 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"If Americans were treated like Palestinians have been treated, we'd take up arms and fight. Yet we're surprised when they do."

They did, we killed most of them and put the rest of them on reservations.

#22 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-27 07:46 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

I agree someone has the right to defend themselves against someone who is damaging or stealing their property but how is firing rockets into an "enemies" civilian population or digging tunnels under an "enemy" considered 'defensive'.

Why would you expect them only to employ defensive measures? Wouldn't that be another form of surrender?

#24 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-27 09:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why would you expect them only to employ defensive measures? Wouldn't that be another form of surrender?

#24 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2014-07-27 09:15 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

This article was about the right of the residents in Gaza to defend themselves.

Are you arguing in support of launching missiles into civilian areas?

#25 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-07-27 10:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well, everyone now is "honked off" at the U.S. Kerry is looked at as an amateur and he works for an incompetent. It appears that the Ukranians were flying their jets close to the airliner that crashed and may have been the ones that participated in its' demise. They had in the past used airliners as shields in order to attack the separatists. The whole freaking globe is in a mess like we haven't seen in our lifetimes and we have a pretender in chief that appears to only go through the motions. The Israel/Palestinian situation is now out of control and the Russians are so ticked off that they're saying the heck with the U.S. and that they're done helping us with the Iran situation along with terrorism. The border is out of control and Barry is schmoozing again for votes for the coming election----that's so he can maintain the senate and have 2 more years to completely screw up this country. 2 years can't come fast enough. Any other messed up Democrat would be a breath of fresh air. It seems like the keystone cops are loose in the WH.

#26 | Posted by matsop at 2014-07-27 10:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Once again the rightytighties of the DR blather on about how tough they are. theior best and brightest from the conservatrobn school of stupid started two wars. One to get bin Laden... and they failed. The second to find WMD's and to disarm a country. Well as it turned 0ut the USA attacked an unarmed country ergo another failure.
You lost two wars in a row pig brains.

So now here you are yammering on like you are some sort of strategic experts in warfare insisting that you have some inside information determining who is right when in fact everything done in foreign policy for the past 60 years has sucked.

Since 1946 ------------- have been dying to win a war and create a booming economy.
Everytime your leadership has failed
Korea Failed
Vietnam Failed
Greneda a joke
Desert Storm you ------- out.
Iraqi Freedom ... there was no one to free
and of course you let the nation be attacked be by the brother of a former business partner of a sitting president who let him get away.

Your leadership choices prove that opinions are irrelevant.

You are LOSERS!

#27 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2014-07-28 04:08 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 3

Dov Weisglas, chief of staff to Sharon, gave a remarkably prescient and revealing interview back in 2004. Not some foaming at the mouth knesset member but the Prime Minister's Chief of Staff. I paraphrase, but he said the two state solution was in 'formaldehyde' and the Palestinians have to become like 'Finns' before they would get a state. In other words, the Israeli formulation for self-determination was what they approve of. It is not a right in of itself. Bibi spoke two weeks ago that the two state solution was 'unrealistic' and an 'impossibility'. The Palestinians, whom you would rightly expect pay very close attention to Israeli commentary, pointed out Israeli insincerity and mendacity but alas, America prefers that Hamas and Gazans are terrorists. The latest iteration of this information op is to ascribe genocidal tendencies to the Palestinians were they to have the capability of the IDF at their disposal. Evidence is that Hamas calls for the destruction of Israel. The truth is that the GOI engages Hamas everyday in an administrative capacity. The GOI negotiated the Oslo Accords with the PLO even when it's charter called for the 'elimination of the illegal entity that is the state of Israel'.
Israel is now in the final stages of imposing a diktat (euphemized as "unilateral measures") on the Palestinians, without any negotiations with them (euphemized as "negotiated with the international community"). Israel believes the U.S. will give its usual automatic backing. Under these circumstances, a Palestinian partner is Israel's nightmare, not its dream. Palestinian President Abbas is not a Hamas member: he recognizes Israel's right to exist, he deplores terrorism, and he isn't even accused of corruption. Still, Israel refuses to negotiate with him. Settlement building and approval continues unabated. If Israel won't talk with Abbas, why should it talk to Hamas, now that it believes it can impose it's colonialist visions unilaterally? Looked at it over time, the Gaza withdrawal
So, we are where we are. Weisglas and others in the Israeli securocracy occasionally drop hints that Israel will never concede unless the Palestinians love them (shifting justifications about Palestinians motive or actions in general attest to that; firstly it was claimed that the PA was 'corrupt', as a justification to confiscate tax receipts at the whim of the GOI. Secondly, by Palestinians electing Hamas, they voted for terror when in fact it was a rejection of Fatah's corruption. Thus any 'incursion' into Gaza is justified sinceIsrael has to defend itself. Israeli apologists whine that Palestinians are educated to 'hate', as if no context to why that might be exists. Finally, highly provocative 'incursions' to 'dismantle terrorist infrastructure' or 'stop rockets' or 'tunnels' or 'targetted assassinations' or restricting construction materials or diesel does everything to prevent an alternative political group to emerge from the Gaza Strip but Hamas).
When Archbishop Desmond Tutu calls Israel an 'apartheid' state,I pay attention and try to find out why someone of such moral standing could say such a thing.
The same apologists for Israel were the same that called Nelson Mandela a 'terrorist' and branded the ANC a terrorist organization. We know how that turned out. Funnily, one of the few regimes that stood by the rascist South African Government was..............Israel. Funny that.

#28 | Posted by tunde at 2014-07-28 06:11 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Are you arguing in support of launching missiles into civilian areas?

Israel is launching missiles into civilian areas. Do you accept that action as an act of self defense?

#29 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-28 07:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

"It appears that the Ukranians were flying their jets close to the airliner that crashed and may have been the ones that participated in its' demise."

This guy is sick, you do know that, right?

#30 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-28 08:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Israel is launching missiles into civilian areas. Do you accept that action as an act of self defense?"

Certainly! That's where the Hamas fighters and rockets are. You're stuck in that failed ol' principal that began sometime back and was a major cause of the debacle in Vietnam. you know, "sanctuaries" and all that kinder, gentler war BS. Couldn't bomb Hanoi, couldn't bomb the dikes, etc, etc. You may have noticed that the enemy NEVER observes that policy.
I know you'll find it shocking, but the way to win any conflict is to kill the enemy WHEREVER he is and destroy his means to wage war WHEREVER that is.
Not only are Palestinians shooting rockets at Israeli civilians, they're doing it to Egyptians too. I have a very hard time scraping up even a "smidgen" of sympathy for them. They obviously hate other societies much more than they love their own children. But we know that, don't we? They manufacture bomb vests in children's sizes after all.

#31 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-07-28 08:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

'JERUSALEM (AP) -- Israeli jets struck three sites in Gaza on Monday after a rocket was launched at Israel, the military said, disrupting a relative lull in the war-torn territory at the start of a major Muslim holiday."

news.yahoo.com

INSANITY...defined as repeating failed actions and expecting different results. It should be obvious to the most casual observer:
Fire rocket--receive bombing. Do they really think they're dealing with a bunch of American "progressives" who'll just shrug, apologize, appease them and increase their millions in aid?

#32 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-07-28 09:20 AM | Reply | Flag:

I know you'll find it shocking, but the way to win any conflict is to kill the enemy WHEREVER he is and destroy his means to wage war WHEREVER that is.

Palestinians are not my enemy. Israelis are not my enemy either.

Israel can't kill its way out of this conflict. All they're achieving is to further radicalize Palestinians at the expense of Israel's standing in the world. Netanyahu is driving his country straight towards a cliff.

#33 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-28 10:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Netanyahu is driving his country straight towards a cliff."

Pushing Hamas and the rest ahead of him I hope. I bet you're convinced the charter calling for total destruction of Israel is just Hamas kidding, don't you? Actually the Muslims are all peaceful, tolerant people with love in their hearts for all mankind and a hatred for violence of any kind...especially beheading, stoning and stuff like that...right???

#34 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-07-28 10:49 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Israel can't kill its way out of this conflict. All they're achieving is to further radicalize Palestinians at the expense of Israel's standing in the world. Netanyahu is driving his country straight towards a cliff.

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Sure they can. It's called 'genocide'; and that is what they are slowly doing.

#35 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-07-28 10:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Palestinians are not my enemy. Israelis are not my enemy either."

You might find that it doesn't make any difference whether YOU feel that way or not. What's important is how they regard YOU.

#36 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-07-28 10:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

The Palestinians DO have the right to self-defense and while they should be defending themselves against Israel's rockets, they too should be defending themselves from Hamas using them as shields. Just as I can't believe Israel keeps falling for the Hamas tricks, so too can I not believe the Palestinians have not thrown out Hamas for endangering them and using them.

#37 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-28 11:00 AM | Reply | Flag:

#37 | POSTED BY KANREI

Still casting "pearls before swine," Kanrei. Too much common sense for our little DR friends. Unfortunately, I believe the Palestinians won't ever overthrow Hamas because they approve of Hamas. They DID vote Hamas in, didn't they? Just like they are now battling with Egypt as a result of Egypt's overthrowing of the Muslim Brotherhood, they will support Hamas to the end.

#38 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-07-28 11:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

Are you arguing in support of launching missiles into civilian areas?
Israel is launching missiles into civilian areas. Do you accept that action as an act of self defense?

#29 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2014-07-28 07:38 AM | FLAG:

So we have the issue of 'who shot first...'

I guess I'm influenced because I don't see Israeli spokespersons calling for the destruction of the US and for death to 'infidels'.

#39 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-07-28 11:40 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Hamas intentionally hides both rockets and combatants smack dab in the middle of civilian areas. Israel responds by dropping leaflets on areas to be attacked hours in advance warning of the impending attack so that civilians can get out of the way. Israel has been placed in an impossible situation by Hamas tactics.

#40 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-07-28 11:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

Israel has been placed in an impossible situation by Hamas tactics.

Which means Hamas is winning. War is only partially killing people and breaking stuff. In the world today, it is more about opinion and support. Israel is losing the PR war regardless if they are acting right or wrong and that means Israel is losing the war, period. Insurgents always win, period.

#41 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-28 11:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

I guess I'm influenced because I don't see Israeli spokespersons calling for the destruction of the US and for death to 'infidels'.

Here's the Knesset deputy speaker -- a leader of their legislature -- calling for Gaza to be conquered, bombs to be dropped without concern about civilian damages, Palestinians to be expelled and that area taken over and populated by Jews:

www.israelnationalnews.com

If you don't see extremism from some Israelis you aren't looking.

#42 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-28 12:42 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Hamas intentionally hides both rockets and combatants smack dab in the middle of civilian areas."

1st incident in this latest round of violence was the killing of children whose parents moved them to a settlement and sent them hitchhiking across the West Bank.

Settlers are extremists. Why aren't they criticized for endangering their own children?

Two sides of the same disgusting coin if you ask me.

#44 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-28 05:41 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Here's the Knesset deputy speaker -- a leader of their legislature -- calling for Gaza to be conquered, bombs to be dropped without concern about civilian damages, Palestinians to be expelled and that area taken over and populated by Jews:
www.israelnationalnews.com
If you don't see extremism from some Israelis you aren't looking.

#42 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2014-07-28 12:42 PM | REPLY | FLAG

where did he call for the destruction of the US?

#45 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-07-28 05:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

An ongoing war of an Iran backed terrorist organization continually firing rockets into Israel is not 'self defense'.

#46 | Posted by MSgt at 2014-07-28 06:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Netanyahu is driving his country straight towards a cliff."
Pushing Hamas and the rest ahead of him I hope. I bet you're convinced the charter calling for total destruction of Israel is just Hamas kidding, don't you? Actually the Muslims are all peaceful, tolerant people with love in their hearts for all mankind and a hatred for violence of any kind...especially beheading, stoning and stuff like that...right???
#34 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-07-28 10:49 AM Newsworthy 1

Ooh, that is "newsworthy". I particularly admire the part where you intentionally leave out "Zionist regime in control of Israel" as if there were any doubt about whom this issue is regarding.

Beheading videos - pretty vulgar but that's the point. Terrorism takes many forms, even residing within those once terrorized themselves. One aspect happens to be a vulgar accord between the intelligence agencies providing weapons to dangerous fanatical anti-government factions for the known and understood sole purpose of destabilization. They institute drug trafficking, money laundering, basically everything you would expect of Scarface. Some people say "necessary" and "evil" as if either concept require mutual benefit to disclose their truest context, which exposes a dilemma. The Iraqi army surrendered officially just miles outside of Baghdad. The Iraqi aren't as well-equipped as American households, so there wasn't any terrorism actually occurring outside of invasion control, so in order to provide their war a context they must broadcast one. Shock & awe campaigns are pre-packaged live video invented for "justification" of our presence. And looked awful, as people - women and children were being murdered indiscriminately. The next stages of "de-Baathafication" initializes incarcerating the government, torture the population for "information" and spread pretext disinformation such as beheading videos and unwilling, strapped into their car "bombers". Remember - we had ZERO actual reason to invade, the WMD was entirely factious, they were already terrorized by Saddams family - this expensive military jaunt was enacted to protect the siphoning of Iraq oil without their concent and own the Afghanistan heroin trade. No military commander believed the WMD neoconservative claptrap, but many told the administration the consequences of it's actions - which occurred. The government charade of "necessary evil" - BushCo murdered innocent people just to depose Saddam Hussein and de-stabilize the oil rights. Afghanistan is basically our meth lab.

#47 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-07-29 12:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

Why would Israeli government steal then landscape and colonize illegally, but also militarily unless they aren't intent on exterminating Palestine. The most obvious recent example are the houses broken into, belongings destroyed - terrorism, really, in pretext searching for evidence of guilt. Israel knew there wasn't any evidence because their own security forces doubted Palestinians involvement. If only Israeli would stop invading Palestinian homes, evicting, incarcerating hundreds and killing thousands while vainly attempting to humiliate and dehumanize them over faked-up pretext. As for Hamas putting missiles under Palestinian children, that seems like pretext for proclaiming "telegenic corpses". Talk about deliberate, crucially obnoxious and anti-societal manner of exploring it's "right to exist". I feel sad for the people of Israel who will survive. Their job is to clean this up for their presumed next generations of orthodox-imperialists.

Why did those dancing Israeli take any time to blame Palestinians? Are they mental? What kind of reality have they invented that expands into any answer provided is a lie about Palestinians? Is that training? If that isn't de-humanization then I do believe Israeli are potato.

This reminds me - dubya seemed rather over-enthused at times in the aftermath of 9/11. But for that very first moment as he sat stunned, as if distantly calculating, have me questioning if the sums of money about to transfer the very next day were foremost on his mind or worry if the Israeli were to get themselves caught creating cover to trigger the SEC emergency procedure that he needed to avoid examination and investigation of said 240.3 billion. That's the kind of mug he wore.

#48 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-07-29 12:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

An ongoing war of an Iran backed terrorist organization continually firing rockets into Israel is not 'self defense'.

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And the native Americans who received help form the British) were also terrorists in your view then.

See also the American colonies who were bushwhacking the Redcoats every chance they got.

Your opinion is fascist garbage.

#49 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-07-29 12:47 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

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