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Saturday, July 26, 2014

Religious figures have been preaching the gospel of family planning in Ethiopia, Africa's second most populous nation, the Christian Science Monitor reports. The poverty and high mortality rates in many communities have led to an unusual level of support for contraception among Ethiopia's Christian and Muslim religious leaders. "A pastor who is living in a certain community -- he observes the problems of the community. He sees a pregnant woman who is suffering because she has many children and there is nothing to eat," said development worker Tilahun Seifu of the country's Lutheran church. "He observes also a woman who is dying from delivery. Daily they observe this ... The problem itself tells you the need of using contraception."

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It's like I've been telling people.

Catholics are NOT the worlds only Christians.

#1 | Posted by Tor at 2014-07-26 05:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

DIABLO given the number that are hungry a lower population could be viewed as the moral equivalent of a field surgeon giving attention to those he likely can save and pain killers to those he likely can not.

#3 | Posted by Tor at 2014-07-26 06:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

And blaming those problems on their existence, Tor, is a fallacy, and a most unchristian fallacy.
These problems come from corrupt and dictatorial government, not the existence of the poor.

#4 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-07-26 06:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

We can get rid of murder, abuse, hunger, poverty, war, racism and, most immediately important, homophobia if only we get rid of humans....

#5 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-07-26 06:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

BRinging children into the world to starve and die of diseases completely unnecessarily isn't more moral than the use of contraception, it is neither moral nor immoral as long as you people have no clear choice. Once you have a clear choice then it is immoral.

#6 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-26 07:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

And blaming those problems on their existence, Tor, is a fallacy, and a most unchristian fallacy.
These problems come from corrupt and dictatorial government, not the existence of the poor.

#4 | POSTED BY DIABLO AT 2014-07-26 06:36 PM | REPLY | FLAG

If I can't feed myself or my spouse, why am I producing children? Is it because I'm considered a 'great male' if I produce many offspring? Sounds like stupid people who are more worried about what others think of them and their status than providing for those they responsible for. And this related to corruption in government?

#8 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-07-26 08:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Unless you make a distinction between abortive and preventatives, the underlying suggestion of hypocrisy is invalid.

#9 | Posted by USAF242 at 2014-07-26 09:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

"And this related to corruption in government?"

Yes, it is.
In the 80's Ethiopia/Eritrea had a horrific famine. Canada sent tons of food to relieve it.
Guess what? The government that cut off food from their own to starve them took the Canadian grain and fed it to their supporters.
The liberals here were saying "Why do they have so many children."
It's the same thing Stalin did to the Ukraine, and is oft imitated.
Oft imitated because liberals say the cause is over-population.

#10 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-07-26 09:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

-An Short Essay on African Birth Rates

This essay opens with a Heraclitus fragment:

Fragment 54

Hippolytus, Refutation of all heresies, IX, 9, 5.

The unseen harmony is better than the visible.

Or in other words:

The latent form is the master of the obvious

Humanity as evolved in Africa has a different latent form than humanity as evolved in the Indo-European (I-E) language group's geographical area. This latent form, contained in the genome, describes reproductive tactics, in addition to the more familiarly understood physical characteristics. Some examples of the latent-form differences are: The African genome has evolved to survive within it's environmental parameters; the I-E genome survives by developing the capability to modify it's environment. The African genome replicates itself maximally, relying on food competition to eliminate less adapted individuals; the I-E genome reproduces comparatively sparingly, the less adapted being filtered by winter survival.
This essay intends to assert that overpopulation in Africa, and the attending increases in starvation and local warfare, have resulted chiefly from disturbances in the natural food supply; it has been artificially increased. The population must follow the food supply; it operates, evolutionarily, on the edge of the food supply.

The following are additional Heraclitus fragments, reflections of intended benevolence reversed:

Fragment 78

Celsus, in Origen, Against Celsus, VI, 12.

The way of man has no wisdom, but that of the gods has.

Fragment 102

Scholia Graeca in Homeri Iliadem, ad Λ 4.

To a god all things are fair and good and right, but men hold some things wrong and some right

#11 | Posted by FlyUntied at 2014-07-26 10:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

-An Apology

Dogs bark at every one they do not know.

For what thought or wisdom have they? They follow the poets and take the crowd as their teacher, knowing not that there are many bad and few good.

The many do not take heed of such things as those they meet with, nor do they mark them when they are taught, though they think they do

Man's character is his fate.

All men are have the capacity to come to know themselves and to (have/be) self-control.

When they are born, they wish to live and to meet with their dooms -or rather to rest- and they leave children behind them to meet with dooms in turn

Men are deceived in their knowledge of things that are manifest, even as Homer was who was the wisest of all the Greeks. For he was even deceived by boys killing lice when they said to him: What we have seen and grasped, these we leave behind; whereas what we have not seen and grasped, these we carry away.

We ought not to act and speak as if we were asleep

#14 | Posted by FlyUntied at 2014-07-26 11:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Defaunation (new word i learned today, natural fauna disappearing) is occurring in Africa due to overpopulation of humans. This causes proliferation of rats, their parasites & diseases, and is leading to the extinction of larger vertebrates (elephants, rhinos, etc.), which are in decline the world over, not only in Africa.

Prohibition of contraception on religious grounds is indefensible; celibacy is an admirable spiritual practice, but will never be foisted upon the masses. Overpopulation seems to be our just deserts for the sin of carnality (according to the anti-contraceptive crowd).

#15 | Posted by kenx at 2014-07-27 02:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

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