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Israel is facing a far more formidable Hamas than in its last face-to-face battle, thanks to the group's extensive tunnel networks, ambush tactics, anti-tank missiles and stepped-up production of rockets. Veteran soldiers told the Christian Science Monitor that this is not the Hamas of 2009, but a far more organized force that has adopted many of the same tactics and weapons seen in the fierce 2006 urban warfare in Lebanon between Israel and Hezbollah.

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"I've been to Shejaiya before, but I've never seen it -- or Hamas -- like this before. Their equipment and tactics are just like Hezbollah," one Israeli officer told Haaretz, referring to the neighborhood that's seen some of the heaviest fighting. "Missile traps and IEDs everywhere -- and they stay and fight instead of melting away like in the past."

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Hamas is trying, but will NEVER succeed. Hamas is bloodthirsty and immoral, and making its supporters in the UN and Obama very difficult to condemn Israel. Because Israel has every right to defend itself and in the process collateral damages from Hamas-chickens hiding behind children and women are beginning to affect every observer, but still the world knows Israel is "doing the right thing."

I pray for peace in the region, and I expect justice to prevail, that is bring all Hamas to UN tribunal for crimes against humanity. Until UN can bring Hamas to trial, it has no moral standing to indict Israel.

#1 | Posted by takitez at 2014-07-26 12:26 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

That's an awfully convenient position to take, ignoring the possible war crimes Israel is committing in its bombing of civilians in Gaza while demanding war crimes prosecution of Hamas.

No country has "every right" to inflict horrendous casualties on civilians to fight a war against a militant group.

#2 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-26 12:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Their equipment and tactics are just like Hezbollah,"

Zombie Reagan is now arming Hamas like he did Hezbollah?

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but still the world knows Israel is "doing the right thing."

Only the hardcore zionists believe this. Collective punishment has been considered a bad thing to everybody since 1945. Except you guys, who support terrorist-created nations like Israel. Tell me, oh great Christian, do you support the IDF's shrapnel created abortions in Gaza? Or aren't brown people really "people"?

#3 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-07-26 12:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

fighters eagerly fine-tuning their battle skills but also studying the tactics of... the Haganah, the pre-state Jewish paramilitary organization from which the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) was formed.

Woopsie......

#4 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-07-26 12:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

geesh louise......

time to stop ignoring the real culprit and that's IRAN....

ng...ask that question of the hamas creatures who are ordering citizens to move towards the targets and not away from the predetermined targets by hamas...

war crimes ? ridiculous.....

and the estimated costs of each rocket is something over a half mil apiece....imagine how many even some of that money could clothe and feed and educate...

2006 hamas was voted in.....do not even try and tell me voters did not know what hamas's stated and pledged goal was at their creation and today.

and again as the saying goes.....the people in gaza never miss and opportunity to miss an opportunity for peace.....beginning with arafat and now with abbas and hamas..

#5 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-07-26 12:49 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Israel is engaging in war crimes.

#6 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-26 12:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

If israel were seriously applying collective punishment they would fire bomb the entire city a la dresden. But keep making excuses for savages that need to evolve or go extinct.

#7 | Posted by monkeylogic42 at 2014-07-26 12:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

and then of course there is the matter of the tunnels.....

Many estimates from security and economic experts suggest that the number of tunnels between Sinai and Gaza is unprecedented in the history of the area, with as many as 1,200 in operation. According to an Israeli reporter in the Palestinian territories, Avi Sakharov, though, there are only around 500 tunnels between the Gaza Strip and Sinai, each costing around $75,000 to construct. Disregarding these estimates, an Egyptian military source has claimed that there are just 225 tunnels under the Rafah border. If they consider that each tunnel has several exits, some of which are in Egyptian homes and are difficult to detect, then there could be 550 tunnel exits.

Since late 2009, the tunnels have been expanded and enlarged, rivalling those in developed countries in their design and sophistication. Some are made of concrete and are large enough to allow trucks filled with goods and fuel to pass through with ease.

It appears from a report prepared by Israeli intelligence, parts of which were leaked to the media, that the Gaza Strip has experienced a "tunnel-making boom" requiring 20-25,000 workers on both sides of the Egyptian-Palestinian border.

#8 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-07-26 12:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Israel is engaging in war crimes.

#6 | Posted by LarryMohr at 20

Larry,

Please read the post just under this one. Israel is showing unprecedented restraint and there is simply no denying it and as mentioned before...no one deserves to die because of it, but hamas was voted in by citizens in gaze, thus making them culpable for most of what has happened. THEY KNEW WHAT HAMAS was and said oh sure anyway.

one more time...deserve to die over it? of course not...culpable for some of the actions of hamas..? you betcha..

and I would sure like to know how many iranian missiles are enroute during this cease fire...instead of more food and medicine.

#9 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-07-26 01:01 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

both sides agreed to extend cease fire for at least some determined hours....

#10 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-07-26 01:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

The difference between Israel and Hamas is huge. Hamas, as a terrorist organization, has no rules of engagement to follow. They are allowed by the very nature of their being terrorists to use any and all means to defeat Israel.

Israel, on the other hand, is supposed to be an official national army that MUST follow the rules of engagement which includes limiting civilian casualties at all costs.

This means, IMHO, Israel MUST use more boots on the ground and less rocket fire. The commanders of the Israeli Army MUST enforce bans on lethal responses to rocks and bottles. They must learn how to contain and control via winning hearts and minds. They are failing in this massively and embarrassingly.

It amazes me the entire world knows the Hamas strategy of firing rockets from civilian areas and then splitting before the rockets arrive, yet Israel takes the bait every single time.

LEARN ALREADY DAMMIT!

#11 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-26 01:42 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

From aphliquor:

"...the estimated costs of each rocket is something over a half mil apiece"

From Wiki:

The cost of the materials used for manufacturing each Qassam is up to $800 or €500 (in 2008-9) per rocket

I wonder why the 900x discrepancy?

#12 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-07-26 02:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

no one deserves to die because of it

Followed immeidately by

, but hamas was voted in by citizens in gaze, thus making them culpable for most of what has happened. THEY KNEW WHAT HAMAS was and said oh sure anyway.

In other words, they do actually deserve to die for it.
Right, AFKABL2?

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-26 04:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

If israel were seriously applying collective punishment they would fire bomb the entire city a la dresden.

Right now the body count of innocents is about 1000 to 1. Pretty close to Dresden.
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I wonder why the 900x discrepancy?

Dammit Jim, AFLAC was a music teacher, not a mathematician.
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but hamas was voted in by citizens in gaze, thus making them culpable for most of what has happened.

Much like what those Bush voters got on 9-11 or in Iraq?
D'uh....

#14 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-07-26 05:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

There are no good guys involved here, on either side. Hamas, like the IDF is trying to build a nation from terrorist roots. Israel has made no bones about its expansionist plans. Until the rest of the Arab nations man up and stop using the Palestinians' plight as an excuse for their own brutal regimes (I'm talking to you, Bushia Arabia)and the US stops its blind and unthinking support of the apartheid regime running Israel and the Occupied Territories to work together for a comprehensive and final peace plan, recognizing Israel and a Palestinian state, this will go on forever.

I want you to read the following and tell me what you would say if these had been muslims blowing up Brits, not noble Israelis,

The perpetrators met at 7 am at the Beit Aharon Talmud Torah.

after placing the bombs in the La Regence Cafe,[23] the Irgun men quickly slipped out and detonated a small explosive in the street outside the hotel, The police report written in the aftermath of the bombing says that this explosion resulted in a higher death toll because it caused spectators from the hotel to gather in its south-west corner, directly over the bomb planted in its basement. The first explosion also caused the presence in the hotel of injured Arabs who were brought into the Secretariat after their bus, which had been passing, was rolled onto its side.[6

One of the 91 killed was my great uncle, one of my dad's favorites, so forgive me if I lack sympathy for terrorists getting payback.

#15 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-07-26 06:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

The only thing that will stop Israel's aggression is the détente brought about by a nuclear Iran.

Nuclear Iran is the only thing that can bring stability to the Middle East.

It might not be a nice stability, much as the Cold War wasn't a nice stability for people in the Eastern Bloc, but it will be stable.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-26 06:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

time to stop ignoring the real culprit and that's IRAN....
#5 | Posted by afkabl2
Odd, Mr. Hollywood, Ronald Reagan sold some of our most sophisticated weapons to his Conservative friends in Iran (Iran-Contra Scandal)
Reagan had many other avenues, to fund the "right-wing" conservative terrorist Contras, who murdered thousand of innocent civilians, but he chose Iran

#17 | Posted by SammyAZ_RI at 2014-07-26 08:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

we also funded Sadaam when he was at war with iran...and we armed people in Afghanistan when it was imperative that the soviets did NOT gain a foothold there...this is all old news and anyone with even a small amount of information in real history..not liberal history...knows we did that at the time because of events and who was the worst evil at that time....EVERY TIME one of you bring this up, it's a waste of your time. argument is not valid.

NEXT !!!

#18 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-07-27 02:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

and here is a diagram that gives us some real insight and actually proves the premise correct.

MONEY GIVEN to these people to use to build schools for children in GAZA was used to build tunnels to hopefully KILL CHILDREN in Israel...

All of you can defend and support the killers of Hamas all you want, but I chose to defend the attacked instead of the terrorists attackers.

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#19 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-07-27 03:01 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Israel is showing unprecedented restraint ...

It's amazing how little reality reaches your world. The media is full of stories about the enormous civilian toll Israel is exacting on Gaza. You have apparently read 0% of this.

#20 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-27 08:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

In 1946 all Israelis were immigrants, invading Palestinian space. Anyone with two cents worth of brains that looks at maps of that region between then and now can see what's going on. Israel is exterminating the Palestinians just as we exterminated the Indians. Palestinians will never be permitted to vote in apartheid Israel, because they would quickly outnumber the Israeli immigrants. Hamas is in a life and death struggle, with better weapons than the American Indian ever had. But they Israelis always outgun them and the kill ratio is somewhere between 100:1 and 1000:1 depending on the period considered. Most of the world is sick of Israeli behavior, but sole US support continues to permit it to continue.

#21 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-27 09:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

Obviously this is speculation, but if we Americans had faced killing of our families and theft of our homes by outside forces such as the Irgun, and special outside agreements that created another country from our lands, we armed Americans would have settled it ourselves long before it ever occurred.

This is exactly why our founding fathers created a 2nd Amendment and perhaps it is why certain factions have bigger plans and want Americans disarmed.

#22 | Posted by Robson at 2014-07-27 10:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

and the estimated costs of each rocket is something over a half mil apiece.

#5 | POSTED BY AFKABL2 AT 2014-07-26 12:49 PM | FLAG:

You are filled with remarkably bad information. A Qassam rocket costs about $800, not $500,000+.

#23 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-07-27 10:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

You are filled with remarkably bad information. A Qassam rocket costs about $800, not $500,000+.

Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-07-27 10:43 AM | Reply

On a retird teachers pension. 800 dollars might as well be a half mil.

#24 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-27 10:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

Funny you should mention that. I know a retired teacher in a
Rocketry club. Some of his launches are definitely more expensive than qassams.

#25 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-07-27 11:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

Funny you should mention that. I know a retired teacher in a
Rocketry club. Some of his launches are definitely more expensive than qassams.

#25 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-07-27 11:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

It was a funny snark towards my buddy AFK

#26 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-27 11:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

"No country has "every right" to inflict horrendous casualties on civilians..."

Maybe you could tell that to Putin...ya' think? I'm sure you'll be able to convince the leaders of Iran, North Korea, China et al too. Take Obama with you for a bowing and apology tour, that ought to help. In the meantime I'll keep believing that the ONLY way to PERMANENTLY stop all this stuff with current aggressors is to completely demolish and destroy their will to fight any longer.

#27 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-07-27 01:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

"...comprehensive and final peace plan, recognizing Israel and a Palestinian state, this will go on forever."

Never happen! At least, not until Israel is totally gone or until Hamas, Al Quaeda, Iran, Hezbollah, ISIS and all the rest are completely defeated in a century or two.

#28 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-07-27 01:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

"No country has "every right" to inflict horrendous casualties on civilians..."

Maybe you could tell that to Putin...ya' think? I'm sure you'll be able to convince the leaders of Iran, North Korea, China et al too.
#27 | Posted by jestgettinalong

If you think Israel is like Russia, Iran, North Korea, China...
Then why on earth do you support Israel?

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-28 06:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

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