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Friday, July 25, 2014

When war between Israel and Hamas broke out two weeks ago, the Palestinian militant group was so hamstrung, politically, economically and diplomatically, that its leaders appeared to feel they had nothing to lose. Hamas took what some here call "option zero," gambling that it could shift the balance with its trump cards: its arms and militants. Now, this conflict has demonstrated that while Hamas governed over 1.7 million people mired in poverty, its leaders were pouring resources into its military and expanding its ability to fight Israel

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"There were low expectations in terms of its performance against the recent round of Israeli incursions. It's been exceeding all expectations," said Abdullah Al-Arian, a professor at Georgetown University's School of Foreign Service in Qatar. "And it's likely to come out in a far better position than in the last three years, and maybe the last decade."

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This is all obvious to anyone not blinded by hatred for Israel. Hamas forced this war. They did everything they could to bring down the full force of Israel on top of them. They knew they had nothing to lose and everything to gain by being "victimized" by those evil Israelis, and becoming the cause celebre for every so called 'liberal' in the world. It is sickening how easily manipulated world opinion has been. Hamas knowingly sacrifices several hundred civilians, and they are back on top again.

#1 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-07-25 11:38 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

This is all obvious to anyone not blinded by hatred for Israel. Hamas forced this war. They did everything they could to bring down the full force of Israel on top of them. They knew they had nothing to lose and everything to gain by being "victimized" by those evil Israelis, and becoming the cause celebre for every so called 'liberal' in the world. It is sickening how easily manipulated world opinion has been. Hamas knowingly sacrifices several hundred civilians, and they are back on top again.

Posted by moder8 at 2014-07-25 11:38 AM | Reply

Horse Apples. If Israel would return the lands that they stole and quit making Palestinian lives miserable with their walled off open air prison as well as quit with the settlement BS. Palestinians wouldn't need to retaliate.

#2 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-25 11:42 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

...and besides everyone knows its Hamas's fault that Israel has been bulldozing Palestinian farms and homes while building new Israeli settlements on the cleared land for sixty-six years. Yes, everything is Hamas's fault.

#3 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-25 11:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

LarryM, you have been manipulated This isn't a case of the Palestinians "retaliating". This is a case of Hamas making a cold calculation that if they can provoke a heavy handed reaction by Israel their political position will improve markedly. Sadly, so many in the left wing media have swallowed the bait, hook line and sinker.

#4 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-07-25 11:44 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

Hamas forced this war.

Pro-Israeli extremists like Mod love to propagate the fallacy that the Israelis are just a bunch of dumb children, unable to make their own choices. They love to say how Israel is incompetent. "If they wanted to commit genocide, they couldn't" and "They can't even kill all the Palestinians, they can only kill thousands, not hundreds of thousands"

C'mon.

#5 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-07-25 11:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

LarryM, you have been manipulated This isn't a case of the Palestinians "retaliating". This is a case of Hamas making a cold calculation that if they can provoke a heavy handed reaction by Israel their political position will improve markedly. Sadly, so many in the left wing media have swallowed the bait, hook line and sinker.

Posted by moder8 at 2014-07-25 11:44 AM | Reply

No Sir not even close. You have been blinded by your unquestioning loyalty towards Israel. You remind me of GZLives. Israel could do no wrong and could do what it wants cart blanch. Israel is the author of their own troubles.

#6 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-25 11:49 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I am not an extremist but I am generally pro-Israel. If you can't recognize what is going on with Hamas in this current round of hostilities, then more is the pity. Read the article for God's sake!

#7 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-07-25 11:50 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Hamas was on it's last legs. They were running out of options. So they went for the Hail Mary and started lobbing rockets. Now, they're gaining international support. Israel is backing itself into a corner. Hamas gamble is paying off when, in reality, they have nothing to lose. Israel needs to back off. They're our only ally in that part of the world.

If they continue, once the fire is over and the smoke clears, hopefully there will be someone there to clean up. This is all going to end badly.

Once the Muslims start rioting in Asia and Europe, the world will change.

#8 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2014-07-25 11:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

Once the Muslims start rioting in Asia and Europe, the world will change.

Umm, where ya been? It's considered a normal daily expectation. And yes, it's changing the world and not in a good way either.

#9 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-07-25 12:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

You have been blinded by your unquestioning loyalty towards Israel. You remind me of GZLives. Israel could do no wrong and could do what it wants cart blanch. Israel is the author of their own troubles.
#6 | POSTED BY LARRYMOHR

Unquestioned?? What are you going on and on about. Supporters of Hamas can't even acknowledge Hamas's oppression of gays, women, and other religions.

That alone should tell you who has the unquestioned loyalty.

In America, Christians are labeled "bigots" for just not wanting to take pictures of a gay wedding. But in Gaza, killing a gay man is just a days work. Gays flee Gaza for Israel seeking political asylum. But you will never hear a Hamas supporter shout down Hamas.

The hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance can't be more clear.

#10 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-25 12:11 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

The hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance can't be more clear.

So we should applaud the murders of Palestinian children?

Get your argument together.

#11 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-07-25 12:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Supporters of Hamas can't even acknowledge Hamas's oppression of gays, women, and other religions."

taking the heat off of israel by making the argument solely about how hamas treats gays...

by being anti-israel folks, you are not only pro-hamas, but also ANTI-GAY!!!!

#12 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-07-25 12:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

every time isreal has trade land for peace all it has done is brought its enemies closer-does anyone really think that if hamas had more accurate missiles they would spare isreali civilians

#13 | Posted by lastomykind at 2014-07-25 12:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

What are you going on and on about. Supporters of Hamas can't even acknowledge Hamas's oppression of gays, women, and other religions.

That alone should tell you who has the unquestioned loyalty.

In America, Christians are labeled "bigots" for just not wanting to take pictures of a gay wedding. But in Gaza, killing a gay man is just a days work. Gays flee Gaza for Israel seeking political asylum. But you will never hear a Hamas supporter shout down Hamas.

The hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance can't be more clear.

#10 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-25 12:11 PMFlag:

Yet we support Saudi Arabia we support Iraq we support other countries that oppress women gays other religions.

#14 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-25 12:34 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

hamas is a weak entity that would simply disappear if it wasn't for the grievances that zionism has brought upon the people of palestine.

israel and its supporters wants the world to think of it as a harbinger of doom for the world.

take away zionism, and they are just a bunch of angry arab guys sipping coffee at a souk grumbling about their ugly wives and disobedient children.

but the crimes and oppression wreaked upon the region by the introduction of zionism 80 years before has made them viable.

because when obvious crimes are committed and people have been wronged repeatedly over the course of many years, they aren't usually so kind to "just let it go"

remove the cause and you remove the symptom...

remove that which causes the itch and you remove the scratch.

#15 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-07-25 12:37 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

the real villians in this comflict are the people who divided the world up after ww1 -they did it in a manner that took no regard for the people living in the areas europeans sought to control

#16 | Posted by lastomykind at 2014-07-25 12:43 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

hmmm, read the article...

...by a discredited pro-zionist newspaper that played a huge role in the run up to the iraq war?

no thank you.

#17 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-07-25 12:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

the real villians in this comflict are the people who divided the world up after ww1 -they did it in a manner that took no regard for the people living in the areas europeans sought to control

Posted by lastomykind at 2014-07-25 12:43 PM | Reply

Very good point.

#18 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-25 12:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Blood has been shed in this part of the world since the beginning of time, nothing will stop it from continuing to happen. Just hope the remainder of the world can stay clear of this cataclysm of events. If not we will all be dragged into another world war brought on by opposing, tyrannical religious beliefs.

#19 | Posted by mikeedge at 2014-07-25 12:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

"If not we will all be dragged into another world war"

uh, we are already supplying the weaponry used to kill palestinians.

truth-out.org

so, thanks to the zionists and their lunatic shills, we are already sucked well in.

#20 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-07-25 12:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Where did Hamas come from? Hamas was born just over three decades ago, the love child of Israel and the United States, both of whom were desperate to blunt the political influence of Yasser Arafat and his pro-Soviet PLO. Israel funded reactionary Islamists in a divide-and-conquer strategy to address the "Palestinian problem."

Once you understand that Hamas is a Western construct, it becomes much simpler to understand why there cannot be peace. Israel does not benefit from peace. Hamas does not benefit from peace. The only people who would benefit from peace are what you might call the 99%.

Hamas is a Zionist "house brand" committed to playing the other side of the Eretz Yisrael script. It's the practice squad that the IDF spars against. Has there been some unintended blowback? Sure. But nothing too severe, unless you're willing to connect the dots between rampant Zionism and the assassination of the moderate Israeli Prime Minister two decades ago.

Israel and the United States made the choice to play with fire. The fire grew. It's mostly burned the people in Palestine, and this was the plan all along.

Hopefully this helps some of you understand why one-sided condemnation of Hamas falls short of the mark. Do you blame the dog that bites you or his owner?

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-25 02:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Snoofy, I like you and all that good stuff, but your post #21 was not only dead wrong, it was also fictional garbage that would make a propagandist proud.

#22 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-07-25 02:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hamas did not force this war. Just plain lying.

www.youtube.com

What actually happened.

#23 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-07-25 02:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Thanks to islamists we can all live peacefully together... With 6 year old wives who will be forever faithful without their -----...

#24 | Posted by monkeylogic42 at 2014-07-25 02:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Thanks to islamists we can all live peacefully together."

Thanks to extremist monotheists like Hamas and NuttyYahoo.

#25 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-07-25 02:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

it was also fictional garbage that would make a propagandist proud.
#22 | Posted by moder8

"You know nothing about nothing."
But do tell. Where did Hamas get its start, if not what I said? You think viable, funded third-party opposition groups just spring up like mushrooms under the nose of the PLO and in Israel's back yard? Is Hamas Palestine's Tea Party movement? LOL!

I suspect your problems run deeper. Are you willing to connect the dots linking Zionism with the assassination of peacenik Yitzhak Rabin by an ultraconservative Jew? That should make a good litmus test for your capacity for intellectual honesty on this topic.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-25 02:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

25 Because theres a zionist caliphate reaching across the mid east to cut off hands and enforce honor killings... sounds legit. The 'genocide' in gaza has been incredible... with israel carpet bombing in all out war... oh theyre not? I thought they were out to get every palestinian soul and house?

#27 | Posted by monkeylogic42 at 2014-07-25 02:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

Where'd Moder8 run off to? Is it after sundown on Friday and he's no longer allowed to post?

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-25 02:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

Snoofy, your post #28 speaks volumes about how you view people who don't support your love of Hamas. You think they must be Jewish Zionists. The close mindedness and lack of intellectual honesty with such a view is disconcerting. It is truly irrelevant to the argument whether I am Jewish or not. As it turns out I am Catholic and my wife is very devout Catholic. Though you seem to have trouble getting it, this isn't an issue of being Jewish or Islamic.

#29 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-07-25 03:05 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Snoofy, your post #28 speaks volumes about how you view people who don't support your love of Hamas

I love Hamas? You must have me mistaken for Bibi Netanyahu, who needs Hamas to legitimize his own hard-line policies.
Hamas is not Jewish Zionists. Hamas is the other side of the coin of Jewish Zionists.
You seem unable to perceive the existence of the coin. Despite me telling you how it was minted in post #21.
Hamas serves Israeli hard-liner policy goals by perpetuating the message that there can be no peace and no two-state solution.
Who benefits from Hamas? Hamas leaders, Isreali hard-liners, and nobody else. It is a power structure that, first and foremost, like nearly any political arrangement, seeks to perpetuate its own existence, regardless of the external costs. Much like the two-party system here in America, only with more rockets. Hamas rockets cement the Israeli hard-liners grip on power, which in turn cements Hamas's grip on power. Duh.

Though you seem to have trouble getting it, this isn't an issue of being Jewish or Islamic.
#29 | Posted by moder8

You are the one who is having trouble getting it. This is purely an issue of politics. Hamas has the power in Palestine. Hamas having the political power in Palestine helps keep Bibi and the hard-liners in power in Israel. It's remarkably simple to understand. Especially when you consider the origins of Hamas -- a religious alternative to the pro-Soviet secular Palestinian Liberation Organization. This plays right into the Zionist political goal of remaking the (secular, Western) State of Israel in the image of (Zionist, religious) Eretz Yisrael.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-25 03:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Do you blame the dog that bites you or his owner?

#21 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Put the dog down. Hold the owner liable.

Did you have a point?

#31 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-07-26 03:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

Do you blame the dog that bites you or his owner?

#21 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Put the dog down. Hold the owner liable.

Did you have a point?

#32 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-07-26 03:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

Hamas should be put down. Israel and the United States should be held liable for creating it. Get it?

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-26 04:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

"When war between Israel and Hamas broke out two weeks ago.."

False narrative - Hamas attacked Israel; war just did not 'break out'.

#34 | Posted by MSgt at 2014-07-26 07:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

False narrative - Hamas attacked Israel; war just did not 'break out'.

---------

Again repeated the same bald faced lie.

What actually happened.

www.youtube.com

#35 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-07-26 11:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

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