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A Quinnipiac University poll released Thursday shows Hillary Clinton easily beating all potential 2016 GOP opponents in the battleground state of Florida -- including the state's former Gov. Jeb Bush and current Sen. Marco Rubio -- by a seven to 21 point margin. In hypothetical head-to-head match-ups, Clinton tops Bush 49% to 42% margin and Rubio 53% to 37%.

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Among Democratic presidential primary voters, Clinton is the clear favorite, receiving 67% support compared to Vice President Joe Biden and Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, who each received 8%.

Among Republican presidential primary voters in the state, Bush received the most support with 21%, followed by Rubio with 18%, Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas garnered 10% followed by Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky with 8%, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee with 7%, and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie with 6%.

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#1 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-25 12:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

49-42 over Jeb?

Hahahahaha.

Both will be bad for America, but Floridians know who will be worse.

#2 | Posted by 726 at 2014-07-25 08:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

2 Right wingers dukeing it out. Since GHWB "adopted" Bill Clinton it's a family affair.

#3 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-25 08:36 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Apparently they favor neocons over traditional Republicans and ----------.

#4 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-25 09:25 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Chances are, as of this early in the process, that one of these people, Clinton or Bush, will be President.

If you think Bush would be better for America, then you are not thinking at all. If you want to suck your thumb and cry about the choices, then I guess that is up to you.

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-25 10:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

If you think Bush would be better for America, then you are not thinking at all. If you want to suck your thumb and cry about the choices, then I guess that is up to you.

Posted by Corky at 2014-07-25 10:43 AM | Reply

Both PNACERS Both love war both Right Winged Republicans. Both stink to high heaven. So I'll be voting for myself again.

#7 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-25 10:49 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

One is a real PNAC signatory, Larry, the other a fake PNACer as viewed by some disenchanted Obama voters who fell for the idea that Obama was left of Hillary. She is still a better choice for America than Bush.

In Kansas you can vote for yourself, or Mickey, and it won't matter. In FL and other swing states, to do that is to in effect vote for Bush.

#8 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-25 11:00 AM | Reply | Flag:

One is a real PNAC signatory, Larry, the other a fake PNACer as viewed by some disenchanted Obama voters who fell for the idea that Obama was left of Hillary. She is still a better choice for America than Bush.

Posted by Corky at 2014-07-25 11:00 AM | Reply

With all due respect you're full of --------. She's equally as bad as Jeb. I'm sorry that you are blinded to the reality of the situation.

#9 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-25 11:08 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

She will continue the same destructive policies that have severely harmed the citizens of the United States.

The only benefit to Hillary being elected would be to watch the wing dings have a mental meltdown over it.

#10 | Posted by 726 at 2014-07-25 11:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

"One is a real PNAC signatory, Larry, the other a fake PNACer"

Robert Kagan, founder of PNAC, calls her a neo-con. Nuff said.

#11 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-07-25 01:20 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Hillary Stomping--
With cankles like hers, there isn't any thing she couldn't stomp, except maybe Bill's libido

#12 | Posted by homerj at 2014-07-25 03:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hey guys....Wicked Witch is out of town...here comes Energizer - let her through...

-SS

LOL!

#13 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2014-07-25 04:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Larry, if I could influence your vote slightly, I'd say vote legitimate third party at least. I do - I'm aware it's little more than a protest vote, but I like to at least make a statement of what is closest to my ideology while also showing that I am plugged into the system and I am a voter, even if not a supporter of either the extreme right wing or the moderate right wing parties.

#14 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-07-25 05:33 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Rethugs have persistently fielded a collection of international embarrassments. Diebold to the rescue.

#15 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-25 06:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh look it is another thread were Corky is getting all ookie about Hillary.
Hillary must of rented office space in CORKYS head

#16 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2014-07-25 07:00 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

It's awfully f'n early to be getting excited about this.

#17 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-07-25 07:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Larry, if I could influence your vote slightly, I'd say vote legitimate third party at least."

Yeah Larry, John Roberts and Samuel Alito will send you a personally signed thank you letter like they did for all the Nader voters.

#18 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-25 07:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

BTW, I'm seriously thinking of starting a movement made up of people who are sick of polls and who promise to always lie about who they intend to vote for on any poll they ever take part in. I think it would be one small swipe at the big money politics if they lost the ability to accurately predict how much effect the billions they pump into our political system. So, I ask everyone, regardless of party, liberal or conservative, just tell some lies to pollsters.
I'm sure someone else has already had this idea and if you know of them please let me know because I will want to join their movement.
No more polls! Make them so unreliable that they will cease to exist.

#19 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-25 07:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

18 | Posted by danni

You see Larry it is not that a politician needs too earn your vote or get your respect for a vote, it is a divine thing you see the DNC anointed Gore, and by God all those votes that went to Nader buy divine decree of the DNC belonged to Gore.
Thats how it works

#20 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2014-07-25 07:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Thats how it works"

I deal in the reality of what actually results; Alito and Roberts were the predictable results. Pretending otherwise is living in an imaginary world that doesn't exist.

#21 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-25 07:51 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

21 | Posted by danni at 2014

No your tactics of vote Dem no matter what have got you Dem party that keeps moving to the right so now you got a party that is only a little better at most then the Repub party, a party of free market serve the one percent of the 1 percent party.

#22 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2014-07-25 08:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

"No your tactics of vote Dem no matter what have got you Dem party that keeps moving to the right so now you got a party that is only a little better at most then the Repub party, a party of free market serve the one percent of the 1 percent party."

Elizabeth Warren is to the right? You are believing exactly what Republicans want you to believe. Is Obamacare the same as what they offer? How about Dodd Frank? How about the return to the Clinton tax rates that built a surplus? ARe we really out of Iraq? Oh, don't mention marriage equality in many states, GLBT rights in the military and now for all government contractors. Change is never fast enough but to pretend change has not happened under Obama's leadership in spite of the most entrenched and obstructionist opposition in my memory is simply ridiculous.

#23 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-25 08:13 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

It's all Ralph Nader's fault. Him and the 97K that voted for him. Not the fault of the millions in Florida who didn't even bother to vote at all. Not Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris and the Florida legislature, and certainly not Al Gore's fault. All Nader.

#24 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2014-07-25 08:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

"It's all Ralph Nader's fault. Him and the 97K that voted for him. Not the fault of the millions in Florida who didn't even bother to vote at all. Not Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris and the Florida legislature, and certainly not Al Gore's fault. All Nader."

"WHY THE LEFT SHOULD STOP LISTENING TO RALPH NADER"

www.stirjournal.com

#25 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-25 08:36 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#11 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Guy will believe anything.

As if Kagan isn't well aware of what he is doing.

#26 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-25 08:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

#5 "suck your thumb and cry about the choices"

I'm psychic I tells ya.

#27 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-25 08:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

Larry, if I could influence your vote slightly, I'd say vote legitimate third party at least. I do - I'm aware it's little more than a protest vote, but I like to at least make a statement of what is closest to my ideology while also showing that I am plugged into the system and I am a voter, even if not a supporter of either the extreme right wing or the moderate right wing parties.

#14 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-07-25 05:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'll seriously look into third party. Better to vote for for someone that will actually do good for the USA than to vote for a sham.

#28 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-25 08:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

#23 | Posted by danni at

Elizabeth Warren will never make it on the Dem ticket for Prez.
Obama care was a Republican idea it has worked to stop the talk of single payers plan for the next 20 years.
Dodd Frank Bill is almost worthless.
Clinton era tax, the gap between the middle class and the poor and the is higher then it ever was.
Iraq through us out, Obama wanted to stay longer then Bush agreed too.
Yes The Dems have been good for Gay rights,
but that has no effect against a unregulated free market and thats what the Dems really want now a days.
by the way hows the new free trade agreement Obama pushing for going

#29 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2014-07-25 08:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yeah Larry, John Roberts and Samuel Alito will send you a personally signed thank you letter like they did for all the Nader voters.

#18 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-25 07:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

So better to "win" with a sham than to "lose" on principle?? Got it.

#30 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-25 08:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Good luck America. The NYC bankers win again with their media and money and control.

#31 | Posted by Robson at 2014-07-25 08:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

Losing on principle is still losing, and people who lose cannot effect policy.

People who didn't get enough with 8 years of W have a chance for more when they don't vote for the better candidate, even if they are not "perfect". They never are.

Maybe if "protests votes" counted for something... but they do not.

#32 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-25 08:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

Losing on principle is still losing, and people who lose cannot effect policy.

People who didn't get enough with 8 years of W have a chance for more when they don't vote for the better candidate, even if they are not "perfect". They never are.

Maybe if "protests votes" counted for something... but they do not.

Posted by Corky at 2014-07-25 08:51 PM | Reply

It's this exact attitude that finds us spiraling down the toilet as a Country. No wonder we are in such shambles today.

#33 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-25 09:05 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

You're exactly right, Larry. Party line voting is retarded and it's killing this country.

#34 | Posted by eberly at 2014-07-25 09:10 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Good luck America. The NYC bankers win again with their media and money and control.

#31 | Posted by Robson at 2014-07-25 08:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

FUNNY YOU SHOULD SAY THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

www.huffingtonpost.com

"If it turns out to be Jeb versus Hillary we would love that and either outcome would be fine," one top Republican-leaning Wall Street lawyer said over lunch in midtown Manhattan last week. "We could live with either one. Jeb versus Joe Biden would also be fine. It's Rand Paul or Ted Cruz versus someone like Elizabeth Warren that would be everybody's worst nightmare."

#35 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-25 09:12 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Actually, the realism and pragmatism of which I speak hasn't really been a problem for us.

The real problems have been ideologues on the right and ideologues on the left willing to throw tantrums when they don't get everything they want.

Then we get government shutdowns from the right and Bush administrations from the left who'd rather have Jeb Bush than Hillary Clinton, as if Bush would not be worse for America by any progressive standard.

Hillary being a Goldwater Girl 40 years ago notwithstanding, lmao.

#36 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-25 09:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

#35

They look for stability and predictability.

Let me give yo a clue. Eliz Warren would vote for Hillary, and Hillary would vote for Eliz Warren... as would I

None of us would vote for Jeb or Tex or Ayn Rand Paul(Ryan).

#37 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-25 09:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

They look for stability and predictability.

Let me give yo a clue. Eliz Warren would vote for Hillary, and Hillary would vote for Eliz Warren... as would I

None of us would vote for Jeb or Tex or Ayn Rand Paul(Ryan).

#37 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-25 09:19 PM | Reply |

No Sir they look for someone to do their bidding. That's it.

#38 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-25 09:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

"You're exactly right, Larry. Party line voting is retarded and it's killing this country."

I could agree with you if you could give me an example of how voting Democratic is killing the country while I can easily give you many examples of how voting Republican is killing the country. it's really sad but true, voting Republican is voting against your country.

#39 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-25 09:28 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Danni, you're missing the point. I'm not harping on dem candidates. I'm harping on the 100% reliance of pols for your vote. Because you are a locked in vote no matter what there is no incentive for a pol to listen to you.

This why pols only care about special interests. You give them the incentive to care only about special interest. A dem can't disappoint you. Not enough to lose your vote

Seriously..........look in the mirror. It's BL2 staring back. He is the same lunacy on the other side.

#40 | Posted by eberly at 2014-07-25 09:46 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 5

A thought came to mind. We may not have to worry about Hillary after all. Does anyone think Bill Clinton not sabotage Hillary's run.He did it in 2008 what's to stop him this time around. He can't allow her to "win"

#41 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-26 06:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

#39. Both Parties have killed the country through a series of policies fully intended as a catalyst to divide us and serve their masters. Both Parties serve AIPAC as one example. Both Parties serve the bankers and military-war-complex. Both Parties have their ear tilted towards their bundlers and donors. All too often these masters are one and the same.

#42 | Posted by Robson at 2014-07-26 08:09 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Bill Clinton and George W. Bush were the two most destructive Presidents* to America and its citizens that we've had in a hundred years and we're talking about electing Hillary or Jeb? Gimmee a break! We've been turned into unthinking lemmings by an MSM owned by those politician masters I mention in # 42.

* NAFTA, MFN China, Dereg of banks and insurance cos and commodity markets, 9-11, Iraq War, Patriot Act, Credit Card and debtor prison, tax cuts for rich, fire Americans and use H1Bs, spying on Americans, militarizing LEO, etc

#43 | Posted by Robson at 2014-07-26 08:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

If we didn't have to live with the SC lifetime appointments I might agree with you Larry but we will never fix our political system unless we can break the strangle hold that the five corporatists have on our country. Those five men are the enemy, we need to do whatever legal thing we can do to take away their power even if that means holding your nose and voting for Hillary Clinton. You can make whatever philosophical argument against that you want but, in the end, that is the most important thing to consider because nothing will change until those guys lose their power. They are a cancer on America and require treatment.

#44 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-26 09:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

#44 | Posted by danni a

Every Prez election the Dems say the same thing that know matter what kind of ---- the Dems put on the ticket you must vote for it because of the supreme court.
Every Prez election.

#45 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2014-07-26 01:12 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Because it is true every time. Don't blame me for the fact that people you would prefer don't seem able to win primary elections. I was a Howard Dean supporter but I didn't desert the party when he didn't win the nomination.

#46 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-26 03:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh great, sizing up an election more than two years before the contest, more that a year before any one has announced to run. This poll is more than stupid, it is misleading. HRC could win almost any poll at this point by simple name recognition.

#47 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-07-26 04:31 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Thinking about presidential succession made me remember that if Obama is removed from office, the VP gets sworn in. Mien Got en hemmel! President Joe "Plugs" Biden. Mister gaff a minute, foot in mouth, dimmest bulb in the room, Biden. He makes GWB look like a genius. KEEP BARRACK HEALTHY!

#48 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-07-26 05:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

#46 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2014-07-26 03:14 PM | FLAG:

You're right. Insofar as, if the DNC really cares about the country, it will put forward an actual candidate for the people. Which isn't what you said at all, but could actually be gleaned from that.

I'll be at the primaries - but in the end, I do not owe the Democrat party my vote. They have to earn it. Running Republican light won't do that.

#49 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-07-26 08:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Clintons have implemented Reaganism in a way that Reagan could never do. Expect more of the same from Hillary, a most aggressive Secretary of State.

#50 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-26 10:49 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

What's going on here? No more worshipping of of Commissar Barrackski and a commencement for the appointing of Hillary Clinton as the new messiah? Is it really THAT bad? There are still two years plus to go. Cautious, cautious...you know what happened last time when you were all getting those thrills up your legs. you know, don't you, that you are in the minority at this point and many are gnashing their teeth, wearing sackcloth and annointing themselves with ahes...

"Americans are so down on President Obama at the moment that, if they could do the 2012 election all over again, they'd overwhelmingly back the former Massachusetts governor's bid. That's just one finding in a brutal CNN poll, released Sunday, which shows Romney topping Obama in a re-election rematch by a whopping nine-point margin, 53 percent to 44 percent. That's an even larger spread than CNN found in November, when a survey had Romney winning a redo 49 percent to 45 percent."

www.drudge.com

#51 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-07-27 01:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

We need a viable third choice that isn't associated with either the D or R parties or any of the fringe groups. Right now we have a choice between crap and crapier!

#52 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2014-07-27 01:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

We need a viable third choice that isn't associated with either the D or R parties or any of the fringe groups. Right now we have a choice between crap and crapier!

Posted by aborted_monson at 2014-07-27 01:54 PM | Reply

HERE HERE. I totally agree.

#53 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-27 01:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

#51

What a useless poll. Can we speculate what the polls would look like had Mitt won in 2012? Honestly, IMO, prob would look a lot like the same CNN poll only reversed. In other words , the poll is pointless. Much like the majority of CNN's coverage of almost anything ...

#54 | Posted by CALIbertarian at 2014-07-27 01:59 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Much like the majority of CNN's coverage of almost anything ..."

Well, I kinda feel the same way but my little "progressive" friends like it. I could have posted other polls saying pretty much the same but I wanted to use one they like....at least MOST of the time.

#55 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-07-27 02:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Maybe Hillary will become too sick to campaign... Barring that, she's going to shellack nearly any Dem nominee who enters the fray. I'm not happy about this (to say the least), but I believe it to be true. However, even granting that, observers with more experience than I said that last time and she got beaten by the young upstart with the silver tongue. So there is hope.

#56 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-07-27 02:13 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Maybe Hillary will become too sick to campaign... Barring that, she's going to shellack nearly any Dem nominee who enters the fray. I'm not happy about this (to say the least), but I believe it to be true. However, even granting that, observers with more experience than I said that last time and she got beaten by the young upstart with the silver tongue. So there is hope.

Posted by pragmatist at 2014-07-27 02:13 PM | Reply

From your lips(fingers) to G-d's ears.

#57 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-27 02:16 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

"What a useless poll"

True. Posting polls at this point are designed to create a bandwagon effect for Hillary.

#59 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-07-27 02:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Barring that, she's going to shellack nearly any Dem nominee who enters the fray."

Howdy, Prag. I'm not so sure of your prognostication here. Lotta stuff going on behind the curtain and I'm not placing any bets she'll even run. Gal's got a ton of baggage, ya' know. I keep hearing rumors about how the messiah won't be supporting her candidacy too. All in all, an upstart might have a leg up. As for myself, I'd like to see James Webb run and win.
I read his first three books back before he entered politics and was surprised when Reagan appointed him SecNav. I've followed him ever since, even after he turned Democrat. Here's a little bio: (He HATES Hillary too)

www.jameswebb.com

#60 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-07-27 02:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

"As for myself, I'd like to see James Webb run and win."

James Webb's stand against "incarceration nation" is very good. Don't know about the rest of his policies. Anybody is better than Carlyle Clinton.

#61 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-07-27 02:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

Webb seems too invested in the MIC to me, but there is a plus sometimes with prior military, that understanding the price, they are more loathe to put our forces in harm's way than someone who either never served, or at best was a dedicated REMF like Dubya.

And to second it - couldn't be worse than Shillary.

#62 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-07-27 03:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

"...or at best was a dedicated REMF like Dubya.'

...and Algore???

#63 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-07-27 03:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

.and Algore???

Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-07-27 03:36 PM | Reply

At least he went to Vietnam unlike yellow Dubya.

#64 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-27 03:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

"At least he went to Vietnam..." LOL...yep, sat on his butt in Saigon, writing articles for five months. He requested and received an early out. At least most REMF's served the whole year. Actually, I guess it's not accurate to call Bush a REMF since he didn't serve in Vietnam at all.

#65 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-07-27 03:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

- she got beaten by the young upstart with the silver tongue. So there is hope.

Um, many of those same supporters have turned on him like he was Ronald Reagan incarnate.

Why should anyone trust their judgement a second time?

#66 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-27 04:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

So what if Hillary Clinton currently leads? It is meaningless other than as a reflection of current name recognition. Get a strong liberal in place as the nominee and he or she too should be able to take Florida in a general election.

These meaningless articles that do nothing other than shill for Hillary Clinton need to stop.

#67 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-07-27 04:51 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#67

lmao! The Authoritarian Anti-Speech Moderate.

He'll be burning books next. Comic books, prolly.

#68 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-27 05:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

- He hated Obama during the primary campaigns in 2008

Yes, enough to want him as VP.

- He's beginning to drool

I'll never catch up to you. Nice big cup ya got there.

- lust for her and her big thighs

Projection is a fun to watch.

#70 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-27 08:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

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