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Saturday, July 26, 2014

Norm Ornstein, The Atlantic: The most interesting, and important, dynamic in American politics today is the existential struggle going on in the Republican Party between the establishment and the insurgents -- or to be more accurate, between the hard-line bedrock conservatives (there are only trace elements of the old-line center-right bloc, much less moderates) and the radicals. ... It is a measure of the nature of this intra-party struggle that the mainstream is now on the hard right, and that it is close to apostasy to say that Obama is legitimate, that climate change is real, that background checks on guns are desirable, or even that the Common Core is a good idea.

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A lot of history to get to the point. What began as a ruthlessly pragmatic, take-no-prisoners parliamentary style opposition to Obama was linked to constant efforts to delegetimize his presidency, first by saying he was not born in the U.S., then by calling him a tyrant trying to turn the country into a Socialist or Communist paradise.

These efforts were not condemned vigorously by party leaders in and out of office, but were instead deflected or encouraged, helping to create a monster: a large, vigorous radical movement that now has large numbers of adherents and true believers in office and in state party leadership.

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1. The republicans give the fascisti everything it wants.

2. The democrats give the fascsti 95 percent of everything it wants.

3. Whichever party comes in next term gives them the rest of what they wanted.

4. Illusion of choice maintained.

Mission accomplished = hope and change.

#1 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-07-26 09:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

If Hillary is elected, the tea party won't change at all

#5 | Posted by eberly

I disagree. I think the tay purty is dying a natural death, as all extremist philosophies do.

They only way they are still relevant is by making dumb people believe the lies that they perpetuate.


#2 | Posted by kudzu at 2014-07-26 09:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

There's no need to bring lawyers into this, Afk.
:>)

#7 | Posted by madscientist

Now, that's funny. Maybe bibbles thinks there is a libel suit hanging in his closet.

#3 | Posted by kudzu at 2014-07-26 09:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

fiscal sanity and values and principles long given up by the party that booed God

Seriously believe that AFLAC? You expect anything better from the Party of Deficits Don't matter, wearing diapers when visiting hookers is what Jeebus would do, the Appalachian trail runs to Brazil when the taxpayer is paying, the PATRIOT Act and we can lie our way into any war we can loot the Treasury with?

#4 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-07-26 12:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't believe it's only a fringe of the Republican party growing in numbers with these views but also folks that often don't vote along with dependents. As this country continues its' slide, you'll see a greater shift. Take an example: you have the resident idiot and his compatriot in the WH believing that letting mass infiltration of illegals tramping across the border will help the economy. That may have been true in the past but the financial situation of this country is now different. You have folks median incomes continuing to drop and a report came out this weekend that shows median net worth has plummeted in this country. When you take away the net worth in housing the results are even more disastrous. We already have millions of folks on food stamps and other government assistance and that's grown tremendously over the last 6 years and continues to grow. The middle class has been shrinking with more at the lower rungs of the ladder dropping into poverty and government assistance. Now, let's use some common sense (which some of the regular posters are still searching for---we know them well)-----if you let in thousands more illegals and there is substandard growth in this economy; where in the world are they going to get jobs and who are they going to displace from their jobs. Hello, out there. What do you think will happen with those folks? How much more will government assistance grow? 2 years of the future can't come fast enough for the financial health of this country.

#5 | Posted by matsop at 2014-07-26 01:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ornstein: GOP Extremism is Now Mainstream

"Mission Accomplished"

-Roger Ailes and Matt Drudge

#6 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-07-26 02:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

1. The republicans give the fascisti everything it wants.

2. The democrats give the fascsti 95 percent of everything it wants.

#8 | Posted by Shawn

Wait! That's a 5% difference! You're making progress buddy!

"there is no difference between the parties. None"

-Shawn (a dozen times a day)

#7 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-07-26 02:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

That may have been true in the past but the financial situation of this country is now different.
#12 | Posted by matsop

Things sure get "different" for Republicans when the occupant of the Oval Office isn't a member of the GOP.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-26 05:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Things sure get "different" for Republicans when the occupant of the Oval Office isn't a member of the GOP.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-26 05:25 PM | Reply

Unfortunately, Snoop; you don't get it. If you would take your blinders off, it has nothing to do with a party. I'm not going to get into your usual partisan insinuations but the last 6 years have been a disaster from which this country will be lucky to recover from. But then again, that's probably what the Obummer meant when he talked about "hopey and changey". And maybe that's what you and your ilk want also. Our standard of living is rapidly going south and will continue to go south. I don't have a problem with your positions if that's what you desire for the nation. If it is, then there is nothing to debate, since your pretender in chief is inept or wanting to essentially destroy what the country once represented.

#9 | Posted by matsop at 2014-07-26 05:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Along with the middle class.

#10 | Posted by matsop at 2014-07-26 05:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

the last 6 years have been a disaster from which this country will be lucky to recover from.

Six years? Take off your partisan blinders. The last six years are in no way a deviation from what's been happening for the last forty.

Our standard of living is rapidly going south and will continue to go south.

Again, it's been doing that for decades. You're only capable of noticing it when the President isn't a Republican.

"Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households." www.cia.gov

"Since 1996, dividends and capital gains have grown faster than wages or any other category of after-tax income." www.cia.gov

Let me know if any of this is sinking in. Obama may be the person currently sitting on top of the iceberg, but he is not the iceberg, nor can he do a whole lot to steer it, as that would literally take an Act of Congress. An economy which for forty years has only provided gains to the top 20% of households is the problem. Turns out that economy enjoys broad bipartisan support, largely because bipartisan support is readily purchased by the folks in the top tier of said economy. It's a vicious cycle for 80% of households. But if you happen to be in the top 20%, you're doing better than ever.

Anyway, isn't one of your right-wing mantras that people on the bottom are on the bottom because they are lazy? Why would you expect a country where 80% of households are lazy to have a good economy in the first place?

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-26 06:21 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Along with the middle class.

#17 | Posted by matsop

The middle class was destroyed by reaganomics - tax cuts and political influence for the rich. Bonuses for wall street for offshoring jobs. Letting them write their own loopholes. Letting our education and infrastructure fall behind. Our deficit is the result of reagans tax cuts for the rich, who are now richer than every before and suckers are still thinking it's gonna trickle down someday.

Obama's main fault is not being liberal enough and lacking the balls to undo these horrible mistakes.

#12 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-07-26 06:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Thanks W. you mainlined Cheneyism into America's blood stream.

#13 | Posted by Tor at 2014-07-26 06:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

Anyway, isn't one of your right-wing mantras that people on the bottom are on the bottom because they are lazy? Why would you expect a country where 80% of households are lazy to have a good economy in the first place?

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-26 06:21 PM | Reply

As usual, I've never talked about the bottom folks being lazy----that's another projection of yours. Obama has done nothing to reverse the tide; in fact he and Bernanke have done the same thing Greenspan/Bush did. However, on the policy side he's deep sixing the economy more, ala complete disregard for protecting our sovereignty/borders. That's a huge screw up. Also, the middle class and their needs have been largely ignored. Snoop; there's no excuses left for the Obummer and folks like you who have supported him. He's already had 6 years and there are no policies in place to support the middle class and/or small business. When he leaves office the stats will show that we're a lot worse off then when he entered office.

#14 | Posted by matsop at 2014-07-26 06:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Obama's main fault is not being liberal enough and lacking the balls to undo these horrible mistakes.

#19 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-07-26 06:24 PM | Reply

In fact the 1%ers are doing just fine.

#15 | Posted by matsop at 2014-07-26 06:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

In fact the 1%ers are doing just fine.

#22 | Posted by matsop

Doing better than ever actually. That's what you get when you have legalized bribery called private campaign donations. The rich get to buy the government they want. Glad you agree with the lefties on that.

#16 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-07-26 06:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

Obama has done nothing to reverse the tide; in fact he and Bernanke have done the same thing Greenspan/Bush did. However, on the policy side he's deep sixing the economy more, ala complete disregard for protecting our sovereignty/borders. That's a huge screw up. Also, the middle class and their needs have been largely ignored. Snoop; there's no excuses left for the Obummer and folks like you who have supported him. He's already had 6 years and there are no policies in place to support the middle class and/or small business. When he leaves office the stats will show that we're a lot worse off then when he entered office.

#21 | Posted by matsop

Really? He's done the same as bush? Cutting taxes while starting wars?

Lowering taxes on the rich without cutting spending?

WHo do you think obamacare was for? Not the rich. You think bush wouldve passed it?

Who is actively BLOCKING the infrastructure repairs that would both invest in our future and create jobs? Not the democrats.

Our borders have little to do with our economy. Just a convenient complaint to try to hang on obama. Our economy sucks because it is built around pleasing the rich. The border issue is just what they use to keep ignorant fools voting republican instead of voting in their own economic interest.

Yes obama is a dissappointment, but he is very different from bush. The country knows how we got here, and it ain't obama, no matter how much righties like to pretend. the country was doing great before 2009.

#17 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-07-26 06:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

Glad you agree with the lefties on that.

#23 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-07-26 06:50 PM | Reply

Even though the lefties are generally without common sense and some are basically an evil carnal species, they're correct about the downside of economic inequality in this nation. Of course, they as usual don't know the variable and root causes of that inequality. But then again, common sense and knowledge are not necessarily a forte of their existence.

#18 | Posted by matsop at 2014-07-26 06:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

When he leaves office the stats will show that we're a lot worse off then when he entered office.

Something's going to have to go remarkably bad in the next two years then, since the stats currently show we're doing much, much better than when Obama came into office. Remember when we were losing 500,000 jobs a month?

I'm not saying that couldn't happen. But generally, and globally, the recession hangover is gradually wearing off.

Also, the middle class and their needs have been largely ignored.

Yes, the top 1% have been paying for our politicians ignore them for decades now. An investment that has paid off remarkably well for the 1%, I'm sure you'll agree. Did you think it was Obama's job to stop that? What sort of centrally planned economy do you think the American President should preside over, I wonder...

However, on the policy side he's deep sixing the economy more, ala complete disregard for protecting our sovereignty/borders.
#21 | Posted by matsop

Nonsense. Children massing at the border don't really impact the economy one way or the other. That people go to the trouble to come here illegally is an indicator that things are vastly better here.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-26 07:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Of course, they as usual don't know the variable and root causes of that inequality.

Do tell. I'll make popcorn. This should be hilarious.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-26 07:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Of course, they as usual don't know the variable and root causes of that inequality. But then again, common sense and knowledge are not necessarily a forte of their existence.

#25 | Posted by matsop

The cause is obvious to anyone with open eyes. Our government only functions for the rich. That is because of our private election funding system. Fixing that would make our government serve the voters instead of the donors.

Guess which party would never allow that fix to occur?

#21 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-07-26 07:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes obama is a dissappointment, but he is very different from bush. The country knows how we got here, and it ain't obama, no matter how much righties like to pretend. the country was doing great before 2009.

#24 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-07-26 06:55 PM | Reply

If the country was doing great before 2009, then why did you and others vote for the Obummer?

Another question, SS; if Obummer has done such a great job, why does over 65% of the population believe the country is headed in the wrong direction.

#22 | Posted by matsop at 2014-07-26 07:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

The cause is obvious to anyone with open eyes. Our government only functions for the rich. That is because of our private election funding system. Fixing that would make our government serve the voters instead of the donors.

Guess which party would never allow that fix to occur?

#28 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-07-26 07:14 PM | Reply

like I said earlier; common sense/knowledge aren't exactly a forte of many lefties----especially when it comes to economics. Your cause is not the ultimate cause of our issues but a result and symptom of the real underlying cause. You should go back through history and understand the OBVIOUS cause.

#23 | Posted by matsop at 2014-07-26 07:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

You should go back through history and understand the OBVIOUS cause.

Yes, it's so OBVIOUS you won't even say what it is...

Please try harder. I did make popcorn after all.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-26 07:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

You should go back through history and understand the OBVIOUS cause.

Yes, it's so OBVIOUS you won't even say what it is...

Please try harder. I did make popcorn after all.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-26 07:27 PM | Reply

No wonder you ought to go to the gym with me. All that salt/butter does make for corpulent lefties.

I'll give you a hint on the cause at the bottom of our pyramid of troubles. The cause came into being in 1913. You should get that one right, Snoop.

#25 | Posted by matsop at 2014-07-26 07:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

If the country was doing great before 2009, then why did you and others vote for the Obummer?

Another question, SS; if Obummer has done such a great job, why does over 65% of the population believe the country is headed in the wrong direction.

#29 | Posted by matsop

The country WASNT doing great pre-obama. But you'd never know that to listen to the right wing. They won't acknowledge that reaganomics had anything to do with hurting the middle class because it's become their new religion.

Obama HASN'T done a great job. He's just done a thousand times better than the guy who came before him and far better than any of his repub opponents would have. He'd have done much better if repubs weren't so opposed to improving the economy while a dem is in the white house. They'd rather make you suffer than let obama fix anything.

#26 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-07-26 07:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

You should go back through history and understand the OBVIOUS cause.

#30 | Posted by matsop

Better yet - why don't YOU tell me the obvious cause. Tell me something more harmful to so many present day issues than private campaign funding. If you trace almost any problem we have, it comes down to someone getting rich off of it and bribing the government to make it that way via campaign funding.

#27 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-07-26 07:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hmm... the cause came into being in 1913... could be income tax, could be the Fed... those are so obvious though, it has to be something more subtle and sinister... time for a quick trip to the Interwebs...

A HA!

"Mar 28th 1913- Guatemala becomes a signatory to the Buenos Aires copyright treaty." www.historyorb.com

It's so OBVIOUS!

Help me out Matsop, does my ignorance warrant a /facepalm or would I do better with /headdesk?

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-26 07:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

If the country was doing great before 2009, then why did you and others vote for the Obummer?

The country wasn't doing great before 2009; quite the opposite, but that's not why I voted against Sarah Palin.

I thought Obummer was a better choice than a mentally suspect ex-POW who it turns out is completely out of touch with his party today, and a mentally absent cheerleader who is completely out of touch with being able to name a single magazine or newspaper she's ever read.

Have you taken a brief moment to ask yourself if the country wasn't doing great in 2012 compared to 2008, then why did Balack Obummer get re-elected? Give it a try sometime.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-26 07:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Thank goodness there is no extremism on the left ;)

#30 | Posted by MSgt at 2014-07-26 08:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The country WASNT doing great pre-obama."

Ah, that's better----for a moment, I thought that you had a massive brain fart---punctuation marks do make a difference.

"They'd rather make you suffer than let obama fix anything."

Well, we can see what he's done without anyone helping him. They probably don't want to be partners in crime with him. If anything, we're probably in better shape with him screwing things up on his own----I would hate to think what he could do with everyone rolling over and playing dead and assisting him in furthering his damage in a shorter period of time.

#33 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-07-26 07:39 PM | Reply |

#31 | Posted by matsop at 2014-07-26 08:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

why did Balack Obummer get re-elected? Give it a try sometime.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-26 07:52 PM | Reply

For one thing; he didn't have much competition especially when you run someone that is as wealthy as Romney and you can tar him pretty easily. Secondly, Obummer had no problem getting out his/democratic black constituency and the low information voters. Then you have the usual suspects, the partisans like yourself that wouldn't vote for a republican even if he was a crazy lefty. Finally, many of the conservative republicans did not turn out and he won in spite of the fact that the independent vote didn't go as much for him this time. That showed the initial cracks in his acceptance and those cracks have only widened lately.

#32 | Posted by matsop at 2014-07-26 08:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Thank goodness there is no extremism on the left ;)

#37 | Posted by MSgt at 2014-07-26 08:06 PM | Reply

Heck, the left would have you believe that they are mainstream.

#33 | Posted by matsop at 2014-07-26 08:23 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

It's so OBVIOUS!

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-26 07:45 PM | Reply

Obvious could be a synonym to common sense. Snoop, you've opened 3 doors and now all you have to do is open the one with the prize in order to be a winner. I'm rooting for you even though I know (for you and others)it's a guess.

#34 | Posted by matsop at 2014-07-26 08:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Finally, many of the conservative republicans did not turn out

Really, they agree with you that Obama is destroying the country so they just stayed home?

Help me out: Are conservative Republicans like you really that stupid, or is it more accurate to call it laziness?

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-26 08:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

For one thing; he didn't have much competition especially when you run someone that is as wealthy as Romney and you can tar him pretty easily.

Everybody tries to tar everybody. That's how politics works in America. Romney successfully tarred the heck out of Rick Perry and everyone else in the GOP primaries, resulting in his winning the nomination.

But Romney, in his arrogance, made it super-easy to get tarred himself because he refused follow the script by releasing ten years of his income tax returns and so forth. Of course, he probably did that because while most of America suffered he made out like a bandit, but that's another story.

You have to admit that Romney's 47% comment really resonated with the voters. Just not the way he wanted it to.

The last two GOP candidates were total goofballs. That's why Obama won. And Obama would probably take a third term if it were permitted.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-26 09:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well, we can see what he's done without anyone helping him. They probably don't want to be partners in crime with him. If anything, we're probably in better shape with him screwing things up on his own----I would hate to think what he could do with everyone rolling over and playing dead and assisting him in furthering his damage in a shorter period of time.

#38 | Posted by matsop

Yeah you'd hate to have our roads and bridges repaired and people get jobs. Thank god the patriotic republicans have prevented all that.

#37 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-07-26 09:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

fiscal sanity and values and principles long given up by the party that booed God

Seriously believe that AFLAC? You expect anything better from the Party of Deficits Don't matter, wearing diapers when visiting hookers is what Jeebus would do, the Appalachian trail runs to Brazil when the taxpayer is paying, the PATRIOT Act and we can lie our way into any war we can loot the Treasury with?

#11 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-0

yes I do for sure...."party of deficits'...yeah...and dems are the 'party of debt',......try again...and the dems did boo the inclusion of God ..I heard them.

and this TOTAL RUBBISH about gop being extreme is all a planned and made up story line aimed..... not necessarily for people here who have at least a minimum grasp and more because they're here..... but for the larger audience of ignorant bigots who believe almost anything.

NO BETTER EXAMPLE of this is this total idiot writing for salon...EXCEPT I Say she's not an idiot..I say she's writing to a specific audience.......people who believe what libs say with their rewriting of historical facts..SUCH AS THIS LYING GARBAGE>.,

In a historically illiterate Salon piece, writer Heather Digby Parton argued that "right-wing hatred" of John F. Kennedy ultimately led to his death, and that a climate of hate is once again growing because of the right's reaction to President Obama. Of course, the entire premise of Parton's piece is false because JFK was not assassinated by any crazy ‘gun nut' right-winger, as she might have you believe.

Read more: newsbusters.org

#38 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-07-26 09:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

not sure I was as affective in linking those two together as I could but the point is....any of you can print garbage like this all you want...thanks to exposing garbage like this there are fewer people buying it....and even when someone gets so BIZARRE as to call oswald a product of right wing anything is pathetic.

#39 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-07-26 09:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

They probably don't want to be partners in crime with him.

Well at least you're capable of admitting, in a roundabout way, that the GOP's only policy for the last six years has been a knee-jerk rejection of anything Obama wants to do merely because it's Obama who wants to do it.

I doubt you'll ever realize that's not leadership.

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-26 10:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

"..the existential struggle going on in the Republican Party.."

What crap words.
The use of 'existential' betrays the author's age and drug abuse history.

#41 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-07-26 10:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

I dunno, existential sounds right to me.
Must be the drugs and the years talking.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-26 11:48 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

and this TOTAL RUBBISH about gop being extreme is all a planned and made up story line

To me it's extreme that none of your viable candidates are allowed to believe in evolution, not to mention global warming.

And it's also a little disconcerting how many youngsters are being paid to go further to the right to take out veteran, relevant GOP legislators in the primaries. That change in the makeup of the GOP amounts to something of a corporate takeover. It's certainly not a friendly merger. And that's extreme.

It's a travesty that similar existential soul-searching isn't going on in the Democratic party. Republican politics are certainly more interesting than boring old Obama and mean old Hillary. Liberals might as well start bankrolling leftists to primary Democrats, I'd vote for that over Feinstein any day.

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-27 12:02 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

"..the existential struggle going on in the Republican Party.."

What crap words.
The use of 'existential' betrays the author's age and drug abuse history.

#48 | Posted by Diablo

What do you mean? Life IS existential....just watch any Woody Allen Movie.

#44 | Posted by shane at 2014-07-27 11:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

"It's a travesty that similar existential soul-searching isn't going on in the Democratic party. Republican politics are certainly more interesting than boring old Obama and mean old Hillary. Liberals might as well start bankrolling leftists to primary Democrats, I'd vote for that over Feinstein any day."

#50 | Posted by snoofy

Amen. This is the biggest frustration to me. It seems like nobody has the cojones to fight.

#45 | Posted by shane at 2014-07-27 11:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Thank goodness there is no extremism on the left ;)"

#37 | Posted by MSgt

They're isn't. They're pretty much complacent, if you ask me.

#46 | Posted by shane at 2014-07-27 12:01 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Thank goodness there is no extremism on the left ;)"

#37 | Posted by MSgt

There isn't much. And the left extremists aren't taken seriously by the democrat party or media. They're given almost zero public voice.

Leftist extremists are the eco warriors who attack construction sites. They don't have their own news network to support them like the righties do.

#47 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-07-27 02:17 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

post #53: "They're isn't.+= There isn't.

Typing too fast!

#48 | Posted by shane at 2014-07-27 05:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

CNN asks: Do 2012 over..... Romney wins....
i2.cdn.turner.com

#49 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-27 07:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

We need to return to the work of Adam Smith that all the rightie tighties forgot:

www.amazon.com

#50 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-27 10:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Ornstein: GOP Extremism is Now Mainstream"

So...it's no longer "extremism"?

#51 | Posted by TheTom at 2014-07-28 03:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

#53 | Posted by shane
"They're isn't. They're pretty much complacent, if you ask me."

It's not complacent, there's just little money in it.

Ergo...

#52 | Posted by TheTom at 2014-07-28 03:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

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