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Tuesday, July 22, 2014

Creationist Ken Ham, who recently debated TV science educator Bill Nye over the origins of the universe, is calling for an end to the search for extraterrestrial life because aliens probably don't exist -- and if they do, they're going to Hell anyway. "You see, the Bible makes it clear that Adam's sin affected the whole universe," Ham wrote on his blog on Sunday. "This means that any aliens would also be affected by Adam's sin, but because they are not Adam's descendants, they can't have salvation." The post was driven in part by NASA experts saying that they expect to find evidence of alien life within the next 20 years.

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If we ever meet aliens, I wouldn't worry for them. I'd be more worried for us. Considering the technology that interstellar travel would require, if we ever meet any aliens they will be infinitely more powerful than Ham's god, who doesn't do much of anything.

#1 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-22 10:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

Why is it always about hatred?

It would be just as easy for Mr. Ham (Hayam!) to preach that aliens who accept space-Jesus can go to heaven. Sure, it's ridiculous, but no more or less so than what he's actually preaching. But no, it's always about the hatred.

#2 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2014-07-22 10:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

Sounds like a typically ham-handed approach.

#3 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2014-07-22 11:01 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

"It would be just as easy for Mr. Ham (Hayam!) to preach that aliens who accept space-Jesus can go to heaven."

Not only that but who is to say they haven't already accepted Jesus? They'd be God's creations too, right? Why would we think God doesn't bother with them?

If you think about it, he should excited about the possibility of finding aliens. Would be pretty hard to doubt the existence of God if they showed up and had religious beliefs that are identical to one of our religions.

#4 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-22 11:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

Mr. Ham is a good example of a George Orwell quote.

"As with the Christian religion, the worst advertisement for Socialism is its adherents."

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-22 11:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

Ken Ham is full of "bologna"

#6 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-22 11:09 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Come on Larry, do you really have a 'beef' with him?

#7 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2014-07-22 11:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

Come on Larry, do you really have a 'beef' with him?

Posted by gracieamazed at 2014-07-22 11:14 AM | Reply

Not much beef in bologna. More like bugs and endtrails.

#8 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-22 11:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

Then it's not Kosher Larry!

#9 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2014-07-22 11:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

Of course he believes they go to hell. They're Mormon.

#10 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2014-07-22 12:19 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Larry and Gracie - quit with the spam already

#11 | Posted by mutant at 2014-07-22 02:20 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

imho - Yes, there are aliens but, not the scfi version that everyone expects. Aliens = The Fallen. See if your tin foil hat blocks that one.

#12 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-07-22 02:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

#11 Quit smoking that potted meat!!

#13 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2014-07-22 05:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

I cannot at the moment - I really have a hankerin' fer some Flam de Peuada!

frombellytobacon.com

talkin' alien here..alien food that is...unlike that protein from China that is in the news of late.

"thread derailment" flag - heard that from someone here recently....

#14 | Posted by mutant at 2014-07-22 05:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm fairly sure the Bible states that the fall of man didn't affect animals but only humans.

Be that so non-humans are clearly excluded and that would include aliens.

#15 | Posted by Tor at 2014-07-22 07:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well, its nice to know a "Ham" settled the matter.

#16 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-22 07:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

I thought that we had determined that Earth was not the center of the Universe a long time ago. Seems some folks didn't get the memo.

#17 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-22 07:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

I thought he was going home....

#18 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-22 08:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I thought he was going home...."

#18 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

he is.....his home IN HELL!!

#19 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2014-07-22 10:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

Anyone else find it funny that a young earth creationist has the last name of Ham?

As in the cursed son of Noah?

#20 | Posted by Tor at 2014-07-22 10:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

That's really stupid, even just Biblically speaking. The bible always talks about sin entering mankind through the sin and Adam and Eve, not all creation.

Just as one example: Romans 5:12 says

"Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned--"

and 17

"For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!"

I would expect that if God created life on other planets, and since he has no obligation to tell us about them, they would have their own interactions with him. If they needed a savior, they would have their own.

#21 | Posted by LEgregius at 2014-07-22 11:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

#15 ~ "I'm fairly sure the Bible states that the fall of man didn't affect animals but only humans."

For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God ... For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now [awaiting that manifestation]. Romans 8:19 & 22

So the Bible doesn't claim the animals fell from grace, just that they're suffering as a result of The Fall. Man's dominion of the animals has been cruel & careless; and we might link the existence of parasites to satan, which is himself a spiritual parasite, eating evil (or dust, according to Genesis). (Parasites comprise about 1/3 of all life--i read this in a magazine article on nature decades ago--and 1/3 of the angels were cast out with Lucifer.)

(article stating parasites infesting animals & birds is the rule rather than the exception.)
www.nwhc.usgs.gov

Now i don't claim ALL this as fact; but Mr Ham declaring full knowledge concerning the necessary damnation of all aliens is hubris, describing a god that is neither just nor merciful.

(enjoyed the baloney & spam comments)

#22 | Posted by kenx at 2014-07-23 02:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

Listen skeptics and scoffers...

Obama knows that top military is in touch with aliens. Pope has communicated with aliens. Some astronauts have seen aliens but are forbidden by government to reveal it.

These aliens are fallen angels. They have instructed the ILLUMINATI to influence the godless liberals to brand true Christians as HATERS.

After the rapture, the aliens will reveal themselves as saviors of mankind and help the antichrist and Pope to swindle the deceived to accept New World Order along with One World Religion. Sunday will become mandated day of worship in the One World Religion.

Those who resist --- the haters who realized they missed rapture --- will face the guillotine (Revelation 20:4), because they reject both antichrist and Pope.

Then Babylon the mother of harlots will fall, and the super rich behind the ILLUMINATI will be reduced to dust and hell.

#23 | Posted by takitez at 2014-07-23 03:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

He is somewhat confused. The ETs are listed in the bible it calls them Watchers.

#24 | Posted by tmaster at 2014-07-23 09:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

Ham is a loon but

"...NASA experts saying that they expect to find evidence of alien life within the next 20 years."

I'm in for 20 saying not a chance in hell.

#25 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2014-07-23 10:27 AM | Reply | Flag:

"This means that any aliens would also be affected by Adam's sin, but because they are not Adam's descendants, they can't have salvation."

Sort of like being a moderate in today's America- you are effected by the partisan hacks, but have no salvation from their actions.

#26 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-23 10:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

Ken Hamm and Takitez, on ONE thread.

It's Christmas in July.

#27 | Posted by TheTom at 2014-07-23 10:34 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

#27... Pssst...

I don't celebrate Christmas, because its pagan.

If you must know, Jesus was born during Sukkoth (perhaps first week of October) when shepherds could still be in the field, Luke 2:8-14.

Jerusalem and nearby villages are crowded during Sukkoth --- no wonder Jesus' parents could not find a guestroom, so called 'no room in the inn'...

#28 | Posted by takitez at 2014-07-23 12:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Those who resist --- the haters who realized they missed rapture --- will face the guillotine (Revelation 20:4), because they reject both antichrist and Pope."

But we WILL get all the cool toys you Beleebers left behind as a consolation prize. (rapture-palooza 5:1)

#29 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-07-23 12:46 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

I'm left wondering how Noah's flood somehow effected another planet light years away.

#30 | Posted by truthhurts at 2014-07-23 01:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Interesting for once everyone on drudge seems to be in agreement.

We all agree Ken Ham is an idiot.

#31 | Posted by Tor at 2014-07-23 01:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

Usually takes a Westboro Baptist thread to achieve that.

#32 | Posted by truthhurts at 2014-07-23 01:36 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

I'm left wondering how Noah's flood somehow effected another planet light years away.

#30 | Posted by truthhurts at 2014-07-23 01:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Of course it did. It coincided with their worldwide drought. Where do you think Jebus got all the water from?

#33 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-23 01:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

"But we WILL get all the cool toys you Beleebers left behind as a consolation prize. (rapture-palooza 5:1)"

i hope this isn't a reference to my ancient & foolish confession i saw the movie Believe, and thought the acoustic version of that record was pretty good (musicianship, not that i related to it), and in a futile search for my inner child i bought too many Beanie Babies. Besides, i deserve to roast in hell for that, not get raptured.

#34 | Posted by kenx at 2014-07-23 03:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wow. Not to be outdone, a rightwinger has managed to be preprejudiced.

#35 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-07-23 04:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

RE#34 No worries Kenx I am not interested in your Justin Bieber albums or your Beanie Babies. I just want your Lexus if/when you are "raptured".

Thanks

Not only that but who is to say they haven't already accepted Jesus? They'd be God's creations too, right? Why would we think God doesn't bother with them?

If you think about it, he should excited about the possibility of finding aliens. Would be pretty hard to doubt the existence of God if they showed up and had religious beliefs that are identical to one of our religions.

#4 | Posted by Sully

If there is a God and if there are aliens scattered throughout the Cosmos certainly He would have sent His Son to "save" them, too.

If/when we meet them and the aliens also have a Jesus-type figure that would indeed be interesting. Though unless a guy actually named Jesus who literally got "crucified" and then rose from the dead three "days" later it still I don't think it would really prove anything other than the fact that intelligent life is inclined to try and rationalize existence with supernatural explanations. But, still, it would be very interesting.

#36 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-07-23 05:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

maybe supernatural life is trying to rationalize intelligent existence through projections of reality

#37 | Posted by mutant at 2014-07-23 10:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Mr. Ham is a good example of a George Orwell quote.

"As with the Christian religion, the worst advertisement for Socialism is its adherents."

#5 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2014-07-22 11:09 AM

Holy crap! Corky, you'll surely burn in hell for that one. See you there :)

#38 | Posted by soulfly at 2014-07-23 11:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

#36 | Posted by donnerboy
"If there is a God and if there are aliens scattered throughout the Cosmos certainly He would have sent His Son to "save" them, too."

On the other hand, suppose the aliens in question never committed original sin....

#39 | Posted by TheTom at 2014-07-23 11:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

#38

There goes the neighborhood.

#40 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-23 11:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

#28 | Posted by takitez
"Jesus was born during Sukkoth"

A bit odd that the author of Luke never mentions that, though.
Your scriptural reference does not support this, did you get the right one?

#41 | Posted by TheTom at 2014-07-23 11:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

#41...TT...

Jesus was born under the Torah (Galatians 4:4).

Jesus came to fulfill the Torah (Matthew 5:17-20).

Jesus Sukkoth with mankind (John 1:14).

(It is Western Gentile Christians who have no clue about the Hebrew root of scripture and blinded the eyes of many from seeing foundational structure of the Bible.) --- for example, in discussing the 40 days after His resurrection, many so-called scholars 'never' mention the 'Feast of Shavuot'... because for 40 days Jesus prepared His followers with additional information to welcome 'Feast of Shavout' (49 days plus one), aka Pentecost.

This so-called New Covenant is the renewed Covenant uttered in Jeremiah 31:31-35. This covenant with the House of Israel, not Gentiles, but Gentiles coming in as graftee. Now the error in Gentile theology is that Christians have 'replaced Israel'. No, Israel has never been replaced, Israel blinded itself by deviating from Deuteronomy 4:2 (from tons of takanot and maasim of the Pharisees).

Check the Feasts of Yahweh in Leviticus 23... and you will find Jesus engineered all His major events in the seven feasts: Born in Sukkoth, Passover Lamb, Feast of Unleavened bread, First Fruit (resurrection) [first fruit offering: Matthew 27:52-53]

If you want resurrection on the good side, trust in Jesus Christ (Daniel 12:2-3; John 11:25).

[The spring feasts fulfilled; the Fall feasts will happen when Jesus returns].

Jesus was born during Sukkoth --- Yeshua (Yehoshua/Yahshua) will return as Massiach and establish Sukkoth as King of Kings. Crucified as King of the Jews... will return as King over all, and every knee shall bow to Him.

#42 | Posted by takitez at 2014-07-24 10:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

#42 | Posted by takitez

Nothing like a creationist thread to bring out the crackpots.

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#43 | Posted by Dave at 2014-07-24 12:02 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

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