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Tuesday, July 22, 2014

All high-profile domestic terrorism plots since 2002, with four exceptions, were FBI sting operations -- plots conducted with the direct involvement of law enforcement informants or agents, including plots that were proposed or led by informants. This was the finding of a new report from Human Rights Watch and Columbia Law School's Human Rights Institute. The report states, "According to multiple studies, nearly 50 percent of the more than 500 federal counterterrorism convictions resulted from informant-based cases; almost 30 percent of those cases were sting operations in which the informant played an active role in the underlying plot."

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Well, they have to manufacture terror plots to keep that department open. You can't just have 150 agents sitting around reading J Edgar Hoover biographies all day.

Plus, how else are you going to keep Americans frightened enough to start a new war when the opportunity arises?

#1 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-07-22 11:00 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

"almost 30 percent of those cases were sting operations"

Sitz, buy yourself a dictionary and look up "vast" and "majority".

#2 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2014-07-22 11:02 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Sitz, buy yourself a dictionary and look up "vast" and "majority".

#2 | POSTED BY HARRY_POWELL AT 2014-07-22 11:02 AM | FLAG:

Read the full sentence, not the version you edited. Note the qualifier, "in which the informant played an active role in the underlying plot."

In 30% of the cases, it was their informant who were active in making the plot happen. In several cases they created the plot, provided the means to the plot, and removed all the obstacles to the plot. That doesn't mean other cases were not sting operations.

#3 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-07-22 11:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

Here's the headline of the linked article: "Human Rights Watch: 'All of the high-profile domestic terrorism plots of the last decade, with four exceptions, were actually FBI sting operations'"

Unfortunately this page's headline limit prevented a simple copy-paste. I went with "vast majority" because I think it's a funny term used way too often in politics.

#4 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-07-22 11:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

If they weren't stings, how many would have wound up as bombings?

#5 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-07-22 02:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

I have no problem with the FBI 'stings'.

I dont believe that anybody could be convinced to take part in domestic terror plots against their will.

#6 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2014-07-22 03:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

If they weren't stings, how many would have wound up as bombings?

#5 | POSTED BY MUSTANG

I think that's the questions being asked by claiming entrapment.

If it wasn't for the informants planning, supplying, funding, and recruiting them, would they have happened at all?

#7 | Posted by Lohocla at 2014-07-22 05:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

these operations are only created in order to give the general populace that the average muslim down their street is ready to snap at any moment, yell allahu akbar and blow up their neighborhood.

media saturation to create a certain pattern of thought in people's minds. its propaganda at its most sophisticated, but so easy to detect if you aren't a complete imbecile.

#8 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-07-22 05:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

There is no other terrorist organization in the world that's on the same level as our own government.

#9 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-07-22 07:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

There is no other terrorist organization in the world that's on the same level as our own government.

Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-07-22 07:11 PM | Reply

That ain't a lie.

#10 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-22 07:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

The FBI paid one group of destitute Africans $250,000 to commit crimes the FBI conceived. The purpose is to grow their anti-terror budgets. These Government agencies do not like the peace dividend our country should have realized when the Berlin Wall came down. Instead Clinton, BushII and Obama have invented new ways to have more enemies, imaginary and real. A very sick use of your tax dollars by the military industrial complex. There are connections between McVie's anarchy group and FBI informants. These relationships were kept secret while McVie was executed and Nichols imprisoned. I bring this up because to detonate that much explosive and do that much damage required a real (FBI?) explosives expert.

#11 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-22 07:53 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

The first political concept that needs changed is this absurd obsession the USA has with fear and terrorism, and that the Zionists, politicians and media have with Israel, and their ability to turn their problems into the most important headline of the world day.

Any country that disallows its women to intermarry with other ethnic religious groups is racist. Israel is about the size of NJ and got its start and expelled others, only because their money buys influence.

I don't care about Israel any more than I ever cared about any other country. I care about average people here or elsewhere being treated equally, and not scheming politicians who scam average people for paybacks.

#12 | Posted by Robson at 2014-07-22 07:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

A politician sees public fear as buying docile behavior from the public. Bureaucrats see it the same way.

#13 | Posted by Robson at 2014-07-22 07:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

"A politician sees public fear as buying docile behavior from the public. Bureaucrats see it the same way."

No, I think politicians see "terrorism" as the big bad bogey man that only they can keep you safe from while I agree with you about what bureaucrats see it as, and they can definitely keep us safer if they are driving a Humvee or flying around in a helicopter or, here ins S. Florida, on a high speed offshore powerboat with three or four powerful outboard engines that costs upwards of $250,000.

#14 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-22 08:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Having the FBI create a lot of fake terrorism stings has some deterrent value. People who want to commit terror attacks will be more paranoid about undertaking them, particularly when they require a lot of people to carry out. They'll be afraid of bringing an undercover fed into the operation and getting arrested before the attack.

But I do think a lot of these stings are about promoting the careers of the agents and prosecutors involved in them.

#15 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-22 09:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

#15 | POSTED BY RCADE

To me it's a matter of priority. If several alphabet soup agencies have to spend a year or more trying to get someone to do something bad when others are out their doing things all on their own, it makes sane people question how many are actually out there doing things all on their own.

#16 | Posted by Lohocla at 2014-07-23 05:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

Having the FBI create a lot of fake terrorism stings has some deterrent value.

#15 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2014-07-22 09:20 PM | FLAG:

The deterrent effect should be studied like SYG. I have a feeling the results will be the same.

#17 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-07-23 07:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

Having the FBI create a lot of fake terrorism stings has some deterrent value. People who want to commit terror attacks will be more paranoid about undertaking them, particularly when they require a lot of people to carry out. They'll be afraid of bringing an undercover fed into the operation and getting arrested before the attack.

But I do think a lot of these stings are about promoting the careers of the agents and prosecutors involved in them.

#15 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-22 09:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

It seems to me that's entrapment as well as making of a criminal out of a person who would not have committed a crime has he not been coersed into it by the Government.

#18 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-23 07:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

I don't know if coerce is an accurate verb to describe this, Larry.

Cajoled or encouraged are probably more accurate.

#19 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-23 07:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

It seems to me that's entrapment ...

Some stings are entrapment, but others are just testing whether the wanna be terrorist would have really gone through with it. In some cases they build a fake bomb and don't arrest the sting-ee until he sets it in some civilian area.

People who would do that ought to be in prison. If the Tsarnaevs could have been caught with a sting and given fake bombs, who would've been opposed to that?

#20 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-23 07:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

As a nation we'd be better off with an FBI that sets up stings that are intended to test the ethics of politicians and government officials, and their susceptibility to bribes and corruption from bankers and corporate money. That would be more effective in keeping the politicians on the straight and narrow and wary of making special deals.

Chertoff, the ex-Director of Homeland Security who became connected with the body scanner industry made a financial killing off of the underwear bomber "scam". www.motherjones.com

#21 | Posted by Robson at 2014-07-23 08:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

These policies are destroying lives in order to grow fear and budgets. What sort of people invent and support this use of Government power? The NSA and CIA are forces of evil, paid for by clueless taxpayers.

#22 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-23 08:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

People who would do that ought to be in prison. If the Tsarnaevs could have been caught with a sting and given fake bombs, who would've been opposed to that?

#20 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2014-07-23 07:58 AM | FLAG:

What if they didn't catch the Tsarnaevs, one of the 4 cases that was not a sting, despite the evidence trail, because they waste time and money on stings where the FBI makes up the plot 30% of the time?

#23 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-07-23 08:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

As I've said here before. The nsa/fbi/ect are fascist terrorist organizations. Their function has always been control of the American populace. i.e. they have always worked for the fascisti.

#24 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-07-23 11:15 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Old tricks. The FBI used to send agents into 60's hippie meetings to try and get them to act violently so the FBI can then claim hippies were violent.

#25 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-23 11:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

- As I've said here before.

That's hilarious. Understatement of the Year Award.

#26 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-23 11:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Not a missile."

#27 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-07-23 01:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

.... "I dont believe that anybody could be convinced to take part in domestic terror plots against their will"

**** You must be WORKING for the FBI! Everybody else knows it's EASY to get people to take part in Terror Plots.Look at how easy it was for the US Military to recruit people (soldiers) to take part in their Illegal Wars of Aggression & Theft in the Middle East and Afghanistan.All the Pentagon had to do to enlist these Willing MURDERERS was to Wave the Flag!

p.s. If they have nothing to hide why won't the FBI release the numerous Videos that show just what HIT the Pentagon on 911?

#28 | Posted by AntiCadillac at 2014-07-24 02:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

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