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Tuesday, July 22, 2014

New data released by the Department of Labor suggests that raising the minimum wage in some states might have spurred job growth, contrary to what critics said would happen. In a report on Friday, the 13 states that raised their minimum wages on Jan. 1 have added jobs at a faster pace than those that did not. The data run counter to a Congressional Budget Office report in February that said raising the minimum wage to $10.10 an hour, as the White House supports, would cost 500,000 jobs.

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"In the 13 states that boosted their minimums at the beginning of the year, the number of jobs grew an average of 0.85 percent from January through June. The average for the other 37 states was 0.61 percent. "Nine of the 13 states increased their minimum wages automatically in line with inflation: Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Missouri, Montana, Ohio, Oregon, Vermont and Washington. Four more states -- Connecticut, New Jersey, New York and Rhode Island -- approved legislation mandating the increases."

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80+ years ago FDR signed the first minimum wage law at 25 cents an hour.
Since then, the GOP has opposed every increase (even of just pennies per hour) with false predictions of massive unemployment, and economic doom.

#1 | Posted by SammyAZ_RI at 2014-07-21 05:00 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

I'm sure you could also show that the job growth is due to global warming.

#2 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2014-07-21 07:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

Minimum wage deniers. Perfect.

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-21 10:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm sure you could also show that the job growth is due to global warming.

#2 | Posted by mysterytoy

Correlation does not necessarily imply causation or we could say that Global Warming is due to the lack of Pirates.

www.forbes.com

However, the GOTPs continual prediction of disaster due to progressive minimum wage policies does not necessarily correlate with reality either.

#4 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-07-21 10:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Funny how having paying customers helps business. Somehow only libs can grasp this concept.

#5 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-07-22 01:00 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 7

I'm sure you could also show that the job growth is due to global warming.
#2 | Posted by mysterytoy

I am sure that there are many many things you can link to job growth. But like 99% of your posts here, you would be wrong about those too.

#6 | Posted by 726 at 2014-07-22 08:06 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

#5 Right on Bruce. Seems that the super geniuses in red wing ding land cannot understand that. Henry Ford figured that out a century ago, yet the dopes continue to bleat the tired talking point that paying people enough to buy your goods will cause job losses.

That's okay. They can let the job growth pass them by. Eventually the voters will wake up to their lies.

#7 | Posted by 726 at 2014-07-22 08:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Correlation does not necessarily imply causation or we could say that Global Warming is due to the lack of Pirates."

That's true. And there is no proof of a correlation.

However, we do know that wealth trickles up. And we do know that lower income people tend to spend most of what they make. So why there is no proof a direct correlation, the theory that raising minimum wage can stimulate economic growth has an advantage over trickle down in that it hasn't been completely debunked.

#8 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-22 09:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

Immigrant Gains and Native Losses In the Job Market, 2000 to 2013
cis.org

"Comparing the number of immigrants working (ages 16 to 65) in the first quarter of 2000 to the number working in the first quarter of 2013 shows an increase of 5.3 million. In contrast, the number of working-age (16 to 65) natives holding a job was 1.3 million fewer in the first quarter 2013 than in 2000, even though the number of working-age natives overall increased by 16.8 million in this time period. (See Figure 1 and Table 1."

#9 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2014-07-22 10:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

Do the people who hold signs by the side of the road deserve $15 per hour?

#10 | Posted by shirtsbyeric at 2014-07-22 12:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Gotta love statistics.

Twelve of those states have seen job growth this year, while employment in Vermont has been flat. The number of jobs in Florida has risen 1.6 percent this year, the most of the 13 states with higher minimums. Its minimum rose to $7.93 an hour from $7.79 last year.

Read more at www.philly.com

So there ya go...just raise minimum wage by 14 cents per hour and you'll have the highest increase in job growth.

#12 | Posted by Pirate at 2014-07-22 01:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

000.14% increase is the only difference?

Were they increasing before the minimum wage raise?

#13 | Posted by Tor at 2014-07-22 02:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

So there ya go...just raise minimum wage by 14 cents per hour and you'll have the highest increase in job growth.

Florida is one of the most populous states. If more workers have more money -- even if its just $5 per 40hr/wk -- they'll spend it. Imagine if FL raised it a dollar per hour.

MINIMUM WAGE workers SPEND 100% of their money! Where do you think it's going?

#14 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-07-22 02:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

"MINIMUM WAGE workers SPEND 100% of their money! Where do you think it's going?"

gasoline, alcohol, tobacco, lottery tickets, x-box games, weed, etc....

#15 | Posted by eberly at 2014-07-22 02:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

#15 - With the exception of weed and lottery tickets the money is going back into the economy and stimulating the economy.

#16 | Posted by schmanch at 2014-07-22 02:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

#15

But it's NOT going offshore by the people who earn it, is it? And it isn't being hoarded, its going into the economy and creating opportunity and profits for other people too.

That's the point, raising the wage responsibly -- as other costs of living increase -- provides direct stimulus to the economy and tax coffers at the same time.

#17 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-07-22 02:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

"MINIMUM WAGE workers SPEND 100% of their money! Where do you think it's going?"
gasoline, alcohol, tobacco, lottery tickets, x-box games, weed, etc....
#15 | Posted by eberly at 2014-07-22 02:17 PM

Decriminalize weed and watch an economic boom surpass all others.

Lottery was supposed to pay for schools but it's been grafted outside of that simple mandate.

#18 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-07-22 03:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Lottery was supposed to augment the cost of education. It does just that.

Take a look at total income from lottery and total cost of public education.

Did you really think there are enough statistically-challenged players to pay the entire cost?

Really?

#19 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2014-07-22 03:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

whisksour,

not true, at least in California. The lottery was sold as a windfall for the schools. What actually happened is to the extent the lottery has financed the schools, the legislature has cut their funding to match.

#20 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-22 03:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

Post hoc propter hoc? Do you believe the report? People have been known to cook the books.

#21 | Posted by Donald at 2014-07-22 08:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

"With the exception of weed and lottery tickets the money is going back into the economy and stimulating the economy."

Weed money doesn't flow back into the economy? Lottery money goes somewhere and disappears?

#22 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-22 08:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

These numbers start form 2010, the peak of the recession, and the states with high job growth were the ones with high job loss during the recession.

Example California, it had 12.5% unemployment at the start of the data set which recovered to 7.8%, versus Kansas which had 7.5% which recovered to 4.8%. Technically California had better job growth, but at what cost? Cutting more people on Friday so you can hire them back Monday?

If anything what the number series is telling us is that states that raised minimum wage were more vulnerable to job losses during recession.

#23 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-07-22 09:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Minimum wage deniers. Perfect.

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07

I despise and HATE it..

when I have to laugh at something you've said that's actually funny,.....course it happens so rarely...

aha ha

lol

#24 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-07-23 12:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

none of those states can match our job creation here in the sovereign state...republic ??...of texas.....

BUT I DID see one small line in the report that HAS to make a difference..

Nine of the 13 states increased their minimum wages automatically in line with inflation:

"automatically in line with inflation"....yeah, that's NOT what dems talk about when they lecture and preach about min wage.

#25 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-07-23 12:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

The important point is that minimum wage increases do not correlate with job losses in the USA. The job gains may have happened in spite of the minimum wage increase, but it certainly casts doubt on the wing ding talking point that minimum wage increases lead to job losses.

#26 | Posted by bored at 2014-07-23 03:03 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#26 Until you look at the consequences of a recession in the minimum wage increase states per #23

#27 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2014-07-23 07:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

but it certainly casts doubt on the wing ding talking point that minimum wage increases lead to job losses.

Every wing ding talking point is pure b.s. starting with minimum wage increases kill jobs, trickle down is good, tax cuts increase revenue, etc.

#28 | Posted by 726 at 2014-07-23 09:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

come on Danni,

Are you saying weed dealers don't buy food or cars? But no question the Lottery is a rip-off, by design.

#29 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-23 11:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

www.dol.gov Here is the minumum wage chart. Take this and compare it to :www.tradingeconomics.com Set the date back to 1950 and overlay the two.

You will see that after every wage increase unemployment increased.

These are basic facts. You can WANT to say they are not true...you can BELIEVE they are not true but they are facts.

The increase in unemployment is directly tied to the time and size of the increase ...the greater the increase the greater the impact.

It takes about 6-12 months for an increase to impact the economy but impact it does.

#30 | Posted by foshaffer at 2014-07-23 05:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

#30 The Real Inconvenient Truth

#31 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2014-07-24 09:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

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