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Monday, July 21, 2014

Jesse Harrington, Michele Gelfand, TPM: States vary in the degree to which they are tight (have strong norms and little tolerance for deviance), or loose (have weak norms and greater tolerance for deviance). ... Tightness-looseness gets at the issues that tend to result in cultural divisions in the United States -- the fulcrum around which the modern-day "culture war" in America rotates. ... Tighter states are found primarily in the South and the Midwest, while looser states are generally found in the Northeast, the West Coast, and some of the Mountain States.




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At this point you may reasonably ask how tightness-looseness differs from the red-versus-blue divide, given similar patterns between our map and that of the electoral map of the U.S. Tight states tend to be conservative and vote Republican, and loose states tend to be liberal and vote Democrat. Yet, these are distinct constructs. Conservatism and liberalism are individual beliefs, while tightness and looseness describe an objective, external social reality that exists independently from any one individual. Importantly, red and blue are not necessarily indicative of tight or loose state social norms. This can be demonstrated by those loose states that vote Republican -- including Idaho, Montana, and Alaska


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Basing their arguments with states as the smallest geopolitical unit is fallacious. The battle for power in the United States has been, and remains, urban versus rural. I would like to see this "loose" versus "tight" theory applied at a county level (at a minimum) or even overlaid on the census map.

#1 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-07-21 11:49 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Why in God's name would you put this thread title anywhere but the nooner?

#2 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-07-21 01:27 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

stupid article. can you dumb things down much more?

#3 | Posted by ichiro at 2014-07-21 04:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

There's no way UTAH isn't one of the tightest states. I got swarmed by cops there just for having long hair and the mormons force non-mormons to drink watered down beer.

#4 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-07-21 09:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm not mormon nor do I care for Utah, but nobody forces anybody to drink anything. You choose to drink beer and the state limits the AC to 3.2%. Utah isn't the only state to do that either. We always just got our beer from Wyoming.

#5 | Posted by korvhaal at 2014-07-21 10:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

Utah restricts the alcohol content of beer to 3.2%?


I just bought a 12-pack of Bell's Oberon and it's at 5.8%.

#6 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-21 10:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Only 3.2% by weight (they call it 4% by volume) is available in the grocery store. All wine, liquor and strong beer is sold in State controlled liquor stores without refrigeration. But there is a healthy microbrew industry which sells delicious cold strong beers. One is even open on Sundays, unlike car dealers. Mormon don't want non-Mormon car dealers open on Sundays so they made that illegal.

#7 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-21 10:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

mormons force non-mormons to drink watered down beer.
#4 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-07-21 09:56 PM

Is there a popularity contest that mormons are dead-set on losing?

#8 | Posted by censored at 2014-07-22 12:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

Only 3.2% by weight (they call it 4% by volume) is available in the grocery store.

These contents are actually closer to what beer historically contained (obviously not a hard and fast rule as there are style differences ect) and even what was contained in your standard "American lager" that dominated until the 1990's or so (ie Budweiser).

We Americans have just become accustomed to higher ABVs in the last 10-15 years with the increase in craft and microbreweries, as increased ABV and hop content has been the trend for American breweries.

You'll notice these types of beers are making a comeback on the national market, being labeled as "session beers". They're meant for consumption without getting (overly) drunk.

#9 | Posted by jpw at 2014-07-22 01:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

Seems to me many libs are the tightest. They have NO tolarance for other view points.

#10 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-07-22 08:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

I always prefer tight over loose. Call me a partisan if you must

#11 | Posted by CaseyJones at 2014-07-22 09:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

Is it law versus anything goes?

#12 | Posted by Donald at 2014-07-22 08:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't know, The loose states seem to have the most restrictive laws, The highest tax burden and the least successful economies.I guess unemployment and poverty are liberating.

#13 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-07-23 12:57 PM | Reply | Flag:


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