Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Saturday, July 19, 2014

Mohammed Omer, The Nation: At just 3 months old, my son Omar cries, swaddled in his crib. It's dark. The electricity and water are out. My wife frantically tries to comfort him, shield him and assure him as tears stream down her face. This night Omar's lullaby is Israel's rendition of Wagner's "Ride of the Valkyries," with F-16s forming the ground-pounding percussion, Hellfire missiles leading the winds and drones representing the string section. All around us crashing bombs from Israeli gunships and ground-based mortars complete the symphony, their sound as distinct as the infamous Wagner tubas. But unlike a performance, this opera of death lasts days.

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Audience applause is replaced with the terrified cries of babies and children shrouded in smoke. Shrapnel zings off buildings and cars as another missile finds its mark, landing on another home. Six more are now dead. A doctor's house next door was hit by three Israeli F-16 missiles. It's hard to know what was the target. The doctor was killed, joining his mom and dad, killed in the previous war in 2008-09. The airstrikes are buzzing in my ears and Lina's. Omar's crying is continuing. Now the death toll is at 186, with 1,390 injured, the majority of them are civilians, as reported by the UN. ...

I have options, given my Dutch citizenship. As the bombs continue to fall, I ask myself if I should take my family to the Netherlands, where my son was born, press on with my PhD studies for Erasmus Rotterdam and Columbia University and try to forget the F-16s and nightmares Israel reserves for us.

But I'm a journalist, and I owe it to my people and the Israeli people to get to the truth. I choose to stay in Palestine, my beloved home, with my wife, son, mother, father and siblings. I am not willing to let Israel or Zionism exterminate me.

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There is no end in sight. Beyond the border we see tanks amassing, preparing for a ground assault. Above, the ever-present thwup-thwup of hovering Apache helicopters rock Omar's cradle through vibration. Warning sirens pierce the night -- another incoming missile from an Israeli warship. The border is not far. But we cannot leave. The Gaza Strip has been under siege since 2007. Unlike Israel, we do not have bomb shelters to hide in. The 1.8 million citizens of Gaza, over half of them children under the age of 18, are packed into an area the size of Manhattan, unable to leave. We must stay and pray, pray that we don't get hit.

#1 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-07-19 12:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

Libya, Israel, Gaza, Iraq, Syria, Ukraine....is there any doubt we are seeing the start of a new World War? Only this time will be total chaos as it won't be neatly organized into Axis and Allies, but rather everyone fighting for themselves and their own self interests. This is going to suck.

May you live in interesting times-
Ancient Chinese Curse

#3 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-19 01:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

today is a red letter day...I agree completely with 101.....

and the story is probably WRONG or at least exaggerated....israel calls them..texts them...sends leaflets...and even sends a warning dummy bomb before they attack any houses...SO like most stories like this, I am skeptical at best, as first....so all that planes and bombs and stuff is true but there's no guarantee this family is anywhere near some of that....

I'd like to know if this dad voted for Hamas in the elections....it DOES make a difference.

#4 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-07-19 01:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Libya, Israel, Gaza, Iraq, Syria, Ukraine....is there any doubt we are seeing the start of a new World War? Only this time will be total chaos as it won't be neatly organized into Axis and Allies, but rather everyone fighting for themselves and their own self interests. This is going to suck.

May you live in interesting times-
Ancient Chinese Curse

#3 | Posted by kanrei at 201

if there is a war, we're in serious trouble...fdr was a typical liberal with his attacks on the SC and rule of law..his attempts at extortion with people like henry ford and his policies extended the great depression but when it came to beating nazies and the japaneese..he did fine,...the clown we have is a community organizer on his BEST DAY.

#5 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-07-19 01:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

AFK,

If there is war, we have greater problems as there are and will be no clear sides this time around. For example, we will be fighting with the rebels in Syria we are going to oppose in Iraq. Iran will back us in Iraq, but oppose us in Syria.

Then there is Israel where both sides are wrong.

This is a cluster fu...fornication.

#6 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-19 01:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

yes...and where would the 'fronts' be.....long way from british lines up in rows of muskets against the other side in rows of muskets..BUT surely our technology would give us an edge....assuming there's technology and boots left after obama gets through liberalizing the us military

#7 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-07-19 01:48 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

BUT surely our technology would give us an edge

Famous last words of every superior military force defeated by insurgency.

#8 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-19 01:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

and this is why the invasion at the border is also important...

imagine surface to air missiles at lasx...houx...laguardia..san fran...and ohare......going up all at once......with agents taking care of all those poor poor POOR little innocent children, how many from yemen, somalia, etc have gotten across the border???

simple...the clown has NO IDEA..

#9 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-07-19 01:51 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

and this is why the invasion at the border is also important.

Different issues. It would be the same if the Palestinians were crossing into Israel to escape Syria. This is a fight over who owns land, not who lives in what country.

In Israel today, both sides have so much blood on their hands and so much hate that there is no chance either side will look at themselves and see their own responsibility for the fight.

imagine surface to air missiles at lasx...houx...laguardia..san fran...and ohare

Hyperbole. Not a realistic occurrence.

#10 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-19 01:56 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

BUT surely our technology would give us an edge

Famous last words of every superior military force defeated by insurgency.

#8 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-19 01:49 P

yes, of course...

#11 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-07-19 01:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

BUT 10...is just a chance to use the word "hyperbole'...please....you don't think there couldn't be an organized operation in each of those places at the same time....NOT with missiles fired from a truck like this one perhaps, but there are shoulder arms that could do the job....THUS the location....

but back to gaza......before the 'bleeding hearts' awake...and arrive...just because we're telling the hard truth about these people and their support for Hamas doesn't mean we have no compassion at all....

missiles stop, all those things ALLEGEDLY happening to this dad will stop.....

#12 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-07-19 02:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

.you don't think there couldn't be an organized operation in each of those places at the same time..

After September 11th I would be a fool to say it was impossible. Perhaps the drug cartels would do such a thing, but not the Mexican government and I believe Mexico would do what they could to aid us stopping it opposed to Palestine's denial of wrong doing.

#13 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-19 02:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

.just because we're telling the hard truth about these people and their support for Hamas doesn't mean we have no compassion at all....

Support or fear? Be honest. I personally believe the average Palestinian is more afraid of Hamas than Israel which is why they hide in their homes as Hamas launches missiles from their roofs instead of fighting against them.

#14 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-19 02:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

".fdr was a typical liberal with his attacks on the SC and rule of law..his attempts at extortion with people like henry ford and his policies extended the great depression but when it came to beating nazies and the japaneese..he did fine,"

Never one to allow rewrites of history to go by without comment, I'll just remind you that unemployment feel every single year from 1932 until we entered WWII and then had the best economy Keynsian economics on steroids could provide.

#15 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-19 02:33 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#15

We had the best economy because overseas manufacturing was decimated. We lost hundreds of thousands of working age males in the war which resulted in a laborer's market here. With the world decimated and in need of rebuilding, the one country that wasn't harmed by the war had a boon of manufacturing opportunities.

#16 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-19 02:59 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I'll just remind you that unemployment feel every single year from 1932 until we entered WWII

That's not my recollection of the statistics.

#17 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-19 03:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

That's not my recollection of the statistics.

#17 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-19 03:05 PM | Reply | Flag

Did you forget the triple C and the WPA ??

#18 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-19 03:08 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

israel calls them..texts them...sends leaflets...and even sends a warning dummy bomb before they attack any houses

The Palestinian death toll is 310 people during the 10-day offensive. Evidently the texts, leaflets and dummy bombs aren't doing the job.

#19 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-19 07:25 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

The Palestinian death toll is 310 people during the 10-day offensive. Evidently the texts, leaflets and dummy bombs aren't doing the job.

#19 | Posted by rcade

It's hard to say no to 72 virgins.

#20 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2014-07-19 07:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Israel's offensive in the Gaza Strip could be escalated into an effort to destroy Hamas's entire arsenal of rockets, an official warned as the Palestinian death toll climbed to 333.

#21 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2014-07-19 07:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

Fishing with dynamite, or shooting fish in a barrel, or shooting ducks on the ground is the kind of war sport the Israelis seem to prefer. Any thing more and they'd be whining and crying to Uncle Sam through their Congressional string pullers to have us Americans do the dying and spending for them.

#22 | Posted by Robson at 2014-07-19 10:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

#22 | Posted by Robson at 2014-07-19 10:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

What's the other option for Israel, carpet bomb gaza?

Israel has proven they can fight their own fight, that's why they haven't been outright attacked

Your post makes no sense.

rwd

#23 | Posted by rightwingdon at 2014-07-19 10:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

The question of whether this man will be exterminated or not is out of his control, as long as he stays in Palestine.

#24 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-19 11:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

As I have many times posted: the saddest thing I have witnessed over my many years is the migration of anti-Jewish sentiment from the far right to the left....the mainstream left now.

#25 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-07-19 11:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

To a very large extent the situation in Israel and Gaza is similar to the theft that we Americans pulled on the Native Americans. The Zionists robbed the Palestinians.

We were stealing the Indian land that was community owned without deeds and paper and using powerful firearms and cannon to fight their bow and arrows. It was always about land. We took their land and they fought back as best they could. We kept them in reservations instead of Gaza.

The difference is we inevitably kept them in the country and gave them rights even we do not have, instead of sending them to an ever shrinking parcel of land. The Pals deserve billions in restitution from the Zionists in Israel and around the world.

#26 | Posted by Robson at 2014-07-19 11:28 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Fishing with dynamite, or shooting fish in a barrel, or shooting ducks on the ground is the kind of war sport the Israelis seem to prefer."

I wonder who they learned that from?

#27 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-07-19 11:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

But I'm a journalist, and I owe it to my people and the Israeli people to get to the truth. I choose to stay in Palestine, my beloved home, with my wife, son, mother, father and siblings. I am not willing to let Israel or Zionism exterminate me.

This guy is a fool for subjecting his wife and young son to this mayhem when he clearly has other options. He should take them to the Netherlands and then return to Gaza to complete his work. He is using his family as journalistic tools in his campaign to tell his story.

Shame on him.

#28 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2014-07-20 06:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

This guy is a fool for subjecting his wife and young son to this mayhem when he clearly has other options.

I'd get the family out too in his circumstance. But I'd get out of Israel too and come back if it ever got sane again.

#29 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-20 08:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

But I'd get out of Israel too and come back if it ever got sane again.

Israel is sane, Israel was/is peaceful, it's the muslims who are out of control.

#30 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-20 09:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

"I'd get the family out too in his circumstance. But I'd get out of Israel too and come back if it ever got sane again."

I suspect that is what the Zionists in Israel hope you would do were you a Palestinian standing in their way of building your biblically proportioned Israel.

#31 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-20 11:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

Israel is sane, Israel was/is peaceful, it's the muslims who are out of control.

#30 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-20 09:10 AM | Reply | Flag

Israel is NOT peaceful. They are belligerent actors that are violating Palestinian lands. Their encroachments belies their peacefulness.

#32 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-20 11:21 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 4

Not my analysis but for what it's worth....
"The recent IS victories in Tikrit and the Shaar gas fields are an ominous sign. They testify to IS's military power and its increasing solidification of the Caliphate.

Both indicate that it will increase its support by attracting more adherents from the competing jihadi factions and the general Muslim community, especially disaffected youth in the West. The chances of a breakaway by Sunni tribesmen and former Saddam soldiers are reduced with every success it attains.

Meanwhile the West is caught up in a wild ---- of vilification of Russia and Putin. Is anyone looking at where the real danger is emerging?

Another development that is playing into IS's hands is the Israeli assault on Gaza. The horrifying reports and images coming out of Gaza are not getting much publicity in the West but that is not the case in Muslim countries. The contrast between them and the deathly silence of their rulers is further delegitimizing the latter. They appear to be complicit with Israel and its Western backers to destroy a Muslim community. Erdogan is the only one who has spoken up.

The narrative being developed in the Muslim world is that the West backs Israel to attack and destroy Muslims, with the complicity of Muslim governments. The only ones defending Islam are the jihadis, with IS as their leader.

The seeds of much trouble in the future are being sown."

The Israel-firsters were wrong about Iraq, wrong about Syria, wrong about Turkey and wrong about Iran. That's quite a record.

#33 | Posted by tunde at 2014-07-20 11:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

if there is a war, we're in serious trouble...fdr was a typical liberal with his attacks on the SC and rule of law..his attempts at extortion with people like henry ford and his policies extended the great depression but when it came to beating nazies and the japaneese..he did fine,...the clown we have is a community organizer on his BEST DAY.

#5 | POSTED BY AFKABL2

I've never met an historian who knew so little about history.

#34 | Posted by Sycophant at 2014-07-20 12:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Israel is sane, Israel was/is peaceful ...

"I come in peace. Give me your house and your land."

#35 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-20 04:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Fishing with dynamite, or shooting fish in a barrel, or shooting ducks on the ground is the kind of war sport the Israelis seem to prefer."

I wonder who they learned that from?
#27 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2014-07-19 11:28 PM

The Nazis

It's Stockholm syndrome.

#36 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-20 04:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

The government of Israel is in thrall to their rwingers.

We should take a lesson from that.

#37 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-20 04:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's hard to say no to 72 virgins.

Even when you are only 4 years old or still in the womb? ----- Hamasites!
###
Israel is sane, Israel was/is peaceful, it's the muslims who are out of control.

#30 | Posted by boaz

Israel is/was built on terrorism. See IRGUN. Israel is determined to seize as much territory as it can to grow as it imports Russian jews. Not that lusting after a little liebenstraum ever hurt anybody, right Major?

#38 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-07-20 08:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

310 killed isn't much for a war, frankly. How many people are killed in gun-free Chicago every month?

Sounds like the IDF is using considerable restraint, considering. If Hamas and the lunatic Muslims that run Gaza had the means, would they limit Israeli casualties to 310? If they had tanks and planes and big bombs, would they use them surgically? Or massacre as many as possible?

#39 | Posted by WhiteDevil at 2014-07-21 04:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

Anyone who believes killing unarmed women and children have never seen combat and already prove they are a coward.

#40 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2014-07-21 10:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

Anyone who believes killing unarmed women and children have never seen combat and already prove they are a coward.

You mean like how muslims treat other muslims? That I agree with.

#41 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-07-21 10:35 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Israel is/was built on terrorism. See IRGUN.

Agreed, but so was their competition at the time. But it has also built so much more...... do you disagree with that?
Is socialized medicine, gay rights, rights for women, rights for other religions were some good things to come out of that "terrorism".

They even tried the great socialist experiments of the Kibbutz.

Even today you would be hard pressed to show an Arab nation that has even done that.

Today they are not terrorist.

Do you think any of those things will come out of Hamas? Do you believe they will ever allow gay rights, or Christians not be oppressed?

I don't.

Israel is determined to seize as much territory as it can to grow as it imports Russian jews.

This is demonstrably false, after every war, and just recently it gave back land. But keep trying....

#42 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-21 10:42 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

The government of Israel is in thrall to their rwingers.
We should take a lesson from that.
#37 | POSTED BY CORKY

The government of Hamas is in thrall to their Liberals.
We should take a lesson from that.

Oppress Gays, Women, Religions, and promotion of propaganda to the children.

It is fascinating to see Liberals hold a cognitive dissonance to such a high level.

Here is a question since you can't discern Hamas from Palestinians.

Are Palestinians bigots?

#43 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-21 10:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'd like to know if this dad voted for Hamas in the elections....it DOES make a difference.

#4 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-07-19 01:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why? You supported a violent imbecile who was destructive to his own country and nobody is saying you deserve to die for it. Stop being such a hypocrite.

#44 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-21 10:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

Then tell your friends not to lob rockets at Israel, and they wouldn't even acknowledge you.

#45 | Posted by ABH at 2014-07-21 11:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

This is demonstrably false, after every war, and just recently it gave back land. But keep trying....

#42 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-21 10:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

The overall trend has been to take more and more land. You're trying to make it sound as if the amount of Israeli held land has actually decreased, which you know isn't true.

#46 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-21 11:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

Then tell your friends not to lob rockets at Israel, and they wouldn't even acknowledge you.

Posted by ABH at 2014-07-21 11:01 AM | Reply

Tell Israel to stop stealing lands and give back what has already been stolen.

#47 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-21 11:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

The overall trend has been to take more and more land. You're trying to make it sound as if the amount of Israeli held land has actually decreased, which you know isn't true.

Posted by Sully at 2014-07-21 11:02 AM | Reply

news.yahoo.com

Har Homa and Pisgat Zeev settlements are in a part of the West Bank that Israel annexed to Jerusalem after capturing the territory in the 1967 Middle East war. The annexation was not recognized internationally.

#48 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-21 11:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

Larry, You are obviously ignorant of the history of this conflict. The Palestinians have never had self rule. They have no claim to being owed a country or self governance.

For that matter, neither do the Jews. But, they have both lived there the same length of time. The only real difference is that the international community created Israel.

If the Palestinians had given Israel a chance to get their feet on the ground there would never have been any issues. The Israelis had every intention of including all people into the society. It was the Palestinians that decided they should have been given control, so they acted like petulant children and ganged up with their neighbors against Israel immediately.

Israel has been in self preservation and crisis management mode ever since. They never even had a chance to exist peacefully with their neighbors.

#49 | Posted by ABH at 2014-07-21 11:18 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

"They never even had a chance to exist peacefully with their neighbors"

there is a tendency in this world of ours for liars and thieves to be held accountable for their actions. and israel is no different.

they will never rest peacefully, EVER, because a large segment of the world regards them as such, plain and simple.

#50 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-07-21 11:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

The government of Israel is in thrall to their rwingers.
We should take a lesson from that.

#37 | POSTED BY CORKY

And your side yodels 5 times a day, shaves with forks and
wear dish clothes for hats, even the Russians think they're dippy.

#51 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2014-07-21 11:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

You supported a violent imbecile who was destructive to his own country and nobody is saying you deserve to die for it. Stop being such a hypocrite.

#44 | POSTED BY SULLY

Jesus Christ you are a broken record! You could be talking about LBJ, Kennedy, or Truman though.

#52 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2014-07-21 11:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

#49: Well said. Too bad for the haters of Israel, for there are many but, we've known for thousands of years that the world as a whole will hate Israel and "will" come against them. We also know that Israel will prevail against the world, although its gonna be messy.

#53 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-07-21 11:37 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Daniel - please don't justify your cowardice to me. It is what it is.

#54 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2014-07-21 11:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

yeah, apologizing for ongoing israeli crimes by saying that it is all part of god's end-times plan is about as pathetic as you can get...

#55 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-07-21 12:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well, nerfherder, I don't believe majority opinion is any justification for attempted murder. Especially when the majority (your words not mine)is so blatantly incorrect.

That said, I do believe that attacking those trying to kill you, ie. Israel attacking Hamas, is perfectly justified.

#56 | Posted by ABH at 2014-07-21 12:07 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

But I'd get out of Israel too and come back if it ever got sane again.

#29 | Posted by rcade

The Palestinians have no reasonable way to leave Gaza. They are basically captive.

#57 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-07-21 12:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Please outline Israel's "crimes." I can't wait to hear these lies.

#58 | Posted by ABH at 2014-07-21 12:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Jesus Christ you are a broken record!

#52 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2014-07-21 11:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

So don't read my posts, princess. I'm not here to worry about the feelings of crybabies who piddle themselves when they are reminded that they screwed over this country by voting for that piece of crap twice.

#59 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-21 12:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

I do believe that attacking those trying to kill you, ie. Israel attacking Hamas, is perfectly justified."

of course the zionist kleptomaniacs and their supporters would support that. after all, they know they are already criminals and of the criminal mindset.

zionism is a complete sham and israel is nothing but one big long illegitimate land grab, which, at its core, is the sole "justification" for maiming and killing those who dare point the finger of guilt in the correct direction.

#60 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-07-21 12:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Please outline Israel's "crimes.""

there are so many over the past 75 years, i don't think rcade's server could handle the load.

#61 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-07-21 12:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I'm not here to worry about the feelings of crybabies who piddle themselves when they are reminded that they screwed over this country by voting for that piece of crap twice."

You must be referring to the "piece of crap" that polls show is considered the worst president since WWII. You mean THAT P.O.S., Sully?

#62 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-07-21 12:33 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

You must be referring to the "piece of crap" that polls show is considered the worst president since WWII. You mean THAT P.O.S., Sully?

#62 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-07-21 12:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

No, the one who threw away the livs of 4,000+ Americans over lies while morons like you cheered him on. And every day you prove that you'd reather see thousands more die than man up and admit you were wrong.

In case you haven't notice, I'm willing to rub your nose in your mess as many times as you ask me to do it.

#63 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-21 12:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Nerfherder, please explain how Israel is stealing land it has occupied for thousands of years.

#64 | Posted by ABH at 2014-07-21 12:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

#64, maybe this cute little cartoon will help you understand the inanity of your ridiculous position...

vimeo.com

#65 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-07-21 01:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

"...while morons like you cheered him on."

Actually, THIS moron was cheering him on to finish what his daddy and Scwarzkopf began and almost finished years earlier in Desert Storm. I certainly wasn't cheering anyone on to prosecute it kinder and gentler. Remember how short and how successful Desert Storm was until called off? Remember how we ended up going back and attempting to win an inch at a time? Also...if you'll remember...after the "surge," things were a lot more stable until the worst president since WWII announced departure dates then removed all the troops. Have you observed what has happened since then?
Yeah, I agree...there were some 4000 Americans' lives wasted and I place the blame on the worst president since WWII. Do you truly believe ISIS could have achieved what they have if there had been A significant amount of U.S. troops there?
I was NOT all that fond of GWB, but I certainly couldn't have voted for Algore or Hanoi John (who is STILL at his degrading of America wherever he goes) and I know you didn't expect me to vote for Commissar Barackus Maximus, did you?

"In case you haven't notice, I'm willing to rub your nose in your mess as many times as you ask me to do it."

MY mess? Holy feces...you are REALLY short on the IQ scale, aren't you? Most people consider the current mess as a result of your messiah's governing...actually, the LACK of governing. You are certainly one of the 28% who think he's competent and capable of governing. Consequently, the mess is YOURS and rubbing your nose in it is useless because you don't have the brains to recognize that.

#66 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-07-21 01:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Actually, THIS moron was cheering him on to finish what his daddy and Scwarzkopf began and almost finished years earlier in Desert Storm."

So you wanted Americans to go die for reasons that don't serve this country at all. I know. That's what I said.

"I was NOT all that fond of GWB, but I certainly couldn't have voted for Algore or Hanoi John (who is STILL at his degrading of America wherever he goes) and I know you didn't expect me to vote for Commissar Barackus Maximus, did you?"

You didn't have to vote for any of them.

"Most people consider the current mess as a result of your messiah's governing..."

If that is true, which I doubt, then they are wrong. Iraq is a mess because Dubya destablized the country with his idiocy. Furthermore, I don't care all that much about Iraq. We only differ on this is in that you pretend to care when you don't. I care about how the war was a disaster for the US. You don't care because you are a party above country traitor.

#67 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-21 02:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

"You didn't have to vote for any of them."

I didn't...but I always vote AGAINST one of them.

"We only differ on this is in that you pretend to care when you don't. I care about how the war was a disaster for the US. You don't care because you are a party above country traitor."

Having over 5000 hours in the air over a twenty-year navy career and having served much of it in Vietnam and in carriers in Yankee Station and Dixie Station off Vietnam, having lost friends during that time, I take umbrage with your accusation. Yeah, I CARE. I made WestPac cruises on the USS Bon Homme Richard, the USS Lexington, and the USS Kearsarge as well as two tours based in Okinawa where we deployed to Cam Rahn all the time. I first landed at Tan Son Nhut in 1958 and my last landing in Vietnam at Cam Rahn in 1971, I think I have a much better grasp of the situation there then AND in the Middle East today than you do. After all, you give a lot of slack to Hanoi John who you declare a hero even though he spent a whole 3 and a half months there. By the way, I didn't even give you an "abuse" flag. I just considered you to be a little ignorant and not worthy of a flag.

#68 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-07-21 02:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

"If that is true, which I doubt, then they are wrong. Iraq is a mess because Dubya destablized the country with his idiocy."

You should look up the polls dealing with Obama's approval for Iraq and foreign policy overall. I shouldn't have to do it for you...you're a big boy now.

#69 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-07-21 02:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Having over 5000 hours in the air over a twenty-year navy career and having served much of it in Vietnam and in carriers in Yankee Station and Dixie Station off Vietnam, having lost friends during that time, I take umbrage with your accusation."

Take umbrage with yourself. I'm not the apologist for someone who lied us into a war that killed thousands of our best people for no reason. If you really experienced all of that and still make excuses for these scumbags then that makes you even worse. Having experienced everything you have, how can make excuses for an administration that knowingly sent men to die over lies while refusing to have a plan? The connection between Iraq and AQ was always non-existent and "Flowers and Chocolates" delusions were always just the work of lazy minds who couldn't be bothered to formulate a real plan because they didn't care about the people they were sending into danger. How could you make the sort of commmitment you're claiming to have made and then turn around and defend people who spit in the face of such commitment through deceit and laziness? Its disgusting and so is anyone who excuses it and I don't care what their background is.

"I think I have a much better grasp of the situation there then AND in the Middle East today than you do."

Considering you seem to support indefinite occupation, I'd say you have less of an understanding than the average person.

"By the way, I didn't even give you an "abuse" flag. I just considered you to be a little ignorant and not worthy of a flag."

Flag away. Its what I would expect from someone who gets mad because I'm critical of a president who obviously betrayed his office in the worst way possible. You certainly can't formulate a sensible defense of the indefensible. Tattling is your best option given that you've chosen to be wrong.

#70 | Posted by sully at 2014-07-21 02:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

"You should look up the polls dealing with Obama's approval for Iraq and foreign policy overall. I shouldn't have to do it for you...you're a big boy now."

I don't like Obama. That Bush destablized Iraq is still a fact. That people were saying at the time that what is happening now was going to happen is still a fact. None of this is surprise at all. Its not a matter of opinion so the polls don't matter. You're a horrible excuse maker for people who you know screwed this country.

#71 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-21 02:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

#49: Well said. Too bad for the haters of Israel, for there are many but, we've known for thousands of years that the world as a whole will hate Israel and "will" come against them. We also know that Israel will prevail against the world, although its gonna be messy.
#53 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-07-21 11:37 AM Newsworthy 1

Those are the words of a death cultist.

By what right does your faith have any interest in legitimizing the Zionist atrocities? A NAZI by any other name..

#72 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-07-21 03:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

I am not willing to allow Israel to exterminate me....but I will run into a hail of bullets to throw a rock...or I will blow myself up.

Oh...wait...

Never mind.

#73 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-07-21 03:06 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

"By what right does your faith have any interest in legitimizing the Zionist atrocities?"

words of an anti-Semite???

#74 | Posted by eberly at 2014-07-21 03:14 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#72: Really? I would have expected better from you.

#75 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-07-21 03:23 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"By what right does your faith have any interest in legitimizing the Zionist atrocities?"

words of an anti-Semite???
#74 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2014-07-21 03:14 PM | FLAG:

A racist calling anyone an anti Semite is pretty hilarious.

#76 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-21 03:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

#76

what? I need a program so I can be clear on what roles we are all playing.

I'm a racist again?

#77 | Posted by eberly at 2014-07-21 03:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm not up on anti-Semitism...except once I saw someone use the term "Zionist" a bunch of times and I was told that nutjob was an anti-Semite.

#78 | Posted by eberly at 2014-07-21 03:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

Just pointing out how easy it is to call someone something.

And how meaningless it is.

Plus Semite probably has a different definition than the one you're thinking of.

Both Jews and Arabs can be Semites, depending on their ancestry.

#79 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-21 03:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

Nerfherder, all you had to say was "I got nothing."

#80 | Posted by ABH at 2014-07-21 03:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why don't some of you Palestinian fans go get a 5 gallon bucket of rocks and a plane ticket and go help your brothers out? Redlightrobot, they'd love you and your ilk.
Are you guys all talk? Go defend Palestine instead of crying crocodile tears here.

#81 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-07-21 03:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Lets see....Hamas sends hundreds of rockets into Israel...and where is your outrage? Nope do not see any.

Israel puts up a sheild to protect itself. (Using US technology on missile interception that Democrats fought for years to prevent. Because?? Well nobody can shoot a bullet with a bullet and Reagan and Bush were idiots to think you could...(wrong yet again - have you guys ever gotten a policy right??)

When it has had enough it attacks to take out the missiles and guess what - People get killed. DUH. YOU want to live in peace and protect your kids? SHOOT the guys arming the missles!

Until that happens this will continue forever. You have nobody to blame but yourself.

#82 | Posted by foshaffer at 2014-07-21 03:43 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

No one is disputing that the area has been fight over for thousands of years. But to Debby that Jews have lived there for the entirety of human history is about as stupid as it gets.

The bottom line that Israel was created with the support of the international community for a REASON.

Palestinians, who also have lived there forever, could have been part of the new country and government. Instead, they elected to be all butt hurt and start trying to kill every Jew in sight.

They felt slighted when they weren't granted self rule, despite having no claim to the right of it, so they ruin the school yard way of trying to beat them up. Instead, they got their Dick smacked good and hard, and have been pouting about it ever since.

#83 | Posted by ABH at 2014-07-21 03:46 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

the palestinian-israeli conflict is an issue with ZIONISM, not judaism, not jews, but ZIONISM.

zionism was a political movement created in the latter half of the 19th century be secular jews who believed all necessary means should be taken to establish a jewish state in the area that was known at the time as PALESTINE. oh yeah, check out the maps of the time if you don't think it was named that:

www.gilai.com

16 mandates were created after the league of nations was established in 1917. palestine is the only one not to have become a nation. in 1917 the british government, faced with ever growing immigration declared to the ever growing zionist lobby in britain the intention of creating a "national home" (a phrase used on purpose to mask the support for a creation of an actual state) for jews. the as-of-undetermined land deemed fit for this "home" was set to be place din an area populated 85% muslim-arab, 8% christain-arab, and 9% arab-jewish.

even by 1917, the amercian white house had already been infected with zionism-- two of woodrow wilson's closest advisors were zionists. the league of nations (woodrow's baby) therefore soon became infected.

en.wikipedia.org
dcollections.oberlin.edu

at the time, there was in the arab world sympathy for the jews and their plight-- never open hostility, but the situation certainly became different when talk started to surface about the forced creation of a zionist state, which all arabs vehemently opposed.

www.eretzyisroel.org

the zionists attacked arab villages and towns early 1948, a full six months before any attempt by arab armies to the east entering the fray and defending and securing their portion of the mandate. 35+ massacres by zionists of small villages in palestine in the early part of 1948 have been fully documented. zionism-- again the aggressor. arab armies attacked them in their portion of the mandate only, in SELF DEFENSE. this sticking point is a bit hard to swallow for those imbeciles who want everyone to believe that arab armies attacked first. no. it is a myth. ZIONIST TERRORISTS were the aggressors.

for the next 30 years, save 1973, the zionists have always been the aggressor. and even in 1973 israel itself was never directly attacked-- only the portion of land taken by israel in 1967. zionists want ALL those who fight back to be labeled terrorists, and, some are to be sure, but in fact it is only the zionist that can truly hold the crown of that mantle-- israel is by far the most successful terrorist organization in the world.

israeli jews bought only 7 percent of the land before israel's creation in 1948. all other land was owned by the natives (christians and muslims) that were living there at the time-- these folks you may call PALESTINIANS. zionism-- forever the aggressor.

israel ethnically cleansed those peoples of the native population in 1948. you may call those people PALESTINIAN.

pro-israelis say "palestinians" don't really exist. kind of like those holocaust deniers saying that the murder of jews in wwii didn't exist.

jewish israelis have not owned the land "forever". if you do the math, they have owned that land over the last 5000 years about 10% of the time. ZIONISTS, wherever they post, and in the clever way they word it, want you to believe they have a rightful claim to it.

#84 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-07-21 05:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

jews and muslims NEVER fought over palestine until the 20th century, and only after zionism reared its evil head. 1300 years of relative peace and quiet-- at least until you go back to the crusades, in which x-tians killed both the jews and the muslims. zionists want you to believe this is a perpetual or ongoing thousand year conflict, when history shows that it is not.

summary--- the idiocy posted by the usual shills above aside, there was no problem with the jews, christians and muslims who lived in palestine before ZIONISM.

the "truth" of israel is built on misconceptions and lies. add to that over the past seventy years murder, maiming, slow-genocide, and constant oppression.

it is extremely unfortunate and saddening that, in a desperate attempt to fight back, many palestinians have turned to the same exact methods and modus iperandi the zionists used to commit their crimes of theft, aggression and violence.

hamas, essentially late to the game-- are the mirror image of the zionist-- the ugly spawn-- the caged, stick-speared palestinian who has gone crazy and has said "enough is enough" and, looking around, sees no other way to fight back than to adopt the ZIONISTS' terrible tactics. in essence, it is the zionist and its evil twin in a death dance... with themselves.

lost in all this is the humanity of the palestinian people, imprisoned and oppressed for decades by the zionists and the holocaust they brought to the region 100 years prior. i take their side-- they were there in the beginning-- not doing anything wrong or threatening anybody-- caught up in the zionist terror campaign that has come to their door, busted it down and gone on now for nearly 100 years. anyone with any sense of honesty and self-integrity, who is interested in truth, would too.

#85 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-07-21 05:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

That's a lot of words to explain your position when I can do it in two...Jew hate.

#86 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-07-21 05:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

to remedial zionist shills, everything is "jew hate"

#87 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-07-21 05:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

And, none of it is true. That region was called Palestine, but it was not an autonomous state. No self rule.

That is akin to saying that, since I am from Cape Cod, I should have my own country of cape cod.....for no other reason than I feel like it. Cape codders have never been a sovereign nation, but meh. I feel like it any way.

You have no credible proof that Israel attacked first. In fact, all of the evidence points to the Arab nations conspiring before the country wad even formed.

As for Zionism....who cares. The international community decided that the ultimate lordship of the region should go to a people that have lived there forever.

Therefore, they SHOULD.

#88 | Posted by ABH at 2014-07-21 06:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think my favorite part of that rant, was you trying to throw in the word "holocaust" in a desperate attempt to equate the true holocaust the Jews suffered, to the "plight" of the Palestinians. Their pseudo crisis had been manufactured by their own hand, and they are getting exactly what they have asked for, over and over.

#89 | Posted by ABH at 2014-07-21 07:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think my favorite part of that rant, was you trying to throw in the word "holocaust" in a desperate attempt to equate the true holocaust the Jews suffered, to the "plight" of the Palestinians. Their pseudo crisis had been manufactured by their own hand, and they are getting exactly what they have asked for, over and over.
#89 | Posted by ABH at 2014-07-21 07:10 PM

Zionism is not Judaism - it's a military terrorism campaign utilizing that particular religion as it's pretext for eliminating all non-Jewish human beings. There are no exceptions.

Theodor Herzl was actually Serbian and an atheist, btw.

How is what is now happening in Gaza "pseudo crisis"? Hundreds of people are being outright murdered - schools, hospitals and densely populated neighborhoods are the targets. If that happened in your village I'm fairly certain you might "believe" it to be a "real crisis".

I find it fascinating and depressing that so many Christmongers support this new holocaust. Well, it's not too surprising. I have never seen any news actually show the wall surrounding Gaza, the barbed wire and ethnically separated roads or the checkpoints all manned by Israeli located within Palestine.. It's been decades in the making, all the while Zionists take advantage, terrorizing Palestinians and colonizing on their remains.

You might be interested to know that the airliners being hijacked by Arabs throughout the 80's were actually Israeli Zionists when America's "pre-invasion" context was being invented.

#90 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-07-22 11:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

"By what right does your faith have any interest in legitimizing the Zionist atrocities?"
words of an anti-Semite???
#74 | Posted by eberly at 2014-07-21 03:14 PM Newsworthy 1

That is truth - to legitimize Zionist atrocities is to legitimize anti-Semitism. The Palestinians are Semite, the Zionists are quite often imported.

#72: Really? I would have expected better from you.
#75 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-07-21 03:23 PM Newsworthy 1

These posts are sometimes blurring the line between fact and fancy, and when I read your biblical context I tend to immediately box it into a narrative that seems as ridiculous as it's language. Sorry, brother. The concept of "destruction" of a people has two meanings - the literal obliteration and also the societal absorption. These are happening.

#91 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-07-22 11:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

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