Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Friday, July 18, 2014

While covering the military conflict, CNN correspondent Diana Magnay gave a live report from a hill overlooking bombs fired from Israel landing in Gaza. "There are lots of Israelis gathered around who are cheering when they see these kinds of Israeli strikes," she said on the air. Afterwards she wrote a quickly deleted tweet that has caused the network to remove her from covering the conflict: "Israelis on hill above Sderot cheer as bombs land on #gaza; threaten to 'destroy our car if I say a word wrong'. Scum."

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Only the truly partisan fail to see that there is malice on both sides.

#1 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-07-18 12:05 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

It's beyond utterly ridiculous.. both sides act like ignorant animals indiscriminately hurling bombs willy-nilly at kids for cryin out loud.

#2 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-07-18 12:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Only the truly partisan fail to see that there is malice on both sides.
#1 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-07-18 12:05 PM Newsworthy 1

"Truly"?!

The Israeli are murdering en mass and all you can claim is "malice on both sides"?! Didn't we see this exact scenario invented in Baghdad, Fallujah, etc, etc. One difference is that the IDF slaughter those escaping via "terror tunnels" as well as missiling the apartment buildings and houses from which they already missed being killed. I really don't have it in me to make a Hogans Heroes joke right now.

#3 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-07-18 12:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

Only the truly partisan fail to see that there is malice on both sides.

Israel has all the power here. They've suffered one casualty, by the last count I saw, while over 200 Palestinians have died. So Israel has more power to change the situation.

Instead, it is dropping bombs and killing lots of civilians, creating many new militants for every one it kills. And Israel refuses to stop building new settlements, which makes peace impossible.

#4 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-18 12:44 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 6

So what I'm drawing from your post is that the Palestinians are incompetent, continually get their ass kicked, and yet still indiscriminately lob rockets and mortars at a much tougher and more dangerous opponent. the opponent that has proven over and over that it will pile up bodies of their enemies if they don't stop attacking them.

The Palestinians are the most self destructive people on the planet. If they can't reign in their psychos then Israel will simply kill them, as they have done and will continue to do.

If Israel wanted 200,000 dead Palestinians there would be 200,000 dead Palestinians. Instead, there are only 200. How many dead Jews would there be if the Palestinians were capable of killing as many as they wanted?

#5 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-07-18 12:52 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

"Israel has all the power here. They've suffered one casualty, by the last count I saw, while over 200 Palestinians have died."

That is mostly due to their defense system. Are they to just sit back and wait for that system to fail or to let a few rockets past?

It's kind like someone trying to hit you and you duck the blows then everyone getting mad for you hitting back because you are better at it.

What has historically gone on between Israel and Palestine does not warrant the attacks by terrorists.

" So Israel has more power to change the situation."
But there were talks, did hamas stop firing? Did Israel?

So the question really becomes, is terrorism justifiable?
If no then there is no defense for hamas.
If yes, then there is no defense for you.

Randomly firing unguided rockets at populated areas is terrorism. I have a hard time buying that retaliation with warning to civilians is the same.

#6 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-18 12:56 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Only 200? I guess it's OK then. Tell me how many Palestinians have to die before you'd care.

If they can't reign in their psychos then Israel will simply kill them, as they have done and will continue to do.

Have you considered the possibility that Israel wants those psychos to be impossible to reign in, so that it can keep taking territory with new settlements and never give Palestine a state?

#7 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-18 01:00 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

"So what I'm drawing from your post is that the Palestinians are incompetent, continually get their ass kicked, and yet still indiscriminately lob rockets and mortars at a much tougher and more dangerous opponent."

But this is only made possible by the protection other nations give them. In a normal situation no one would bother and they would just let the pissant nation be destroyed for their own actions. But they know very well that they can do whatever they want and Israel is the one to get a black eye every time.
We are seeing a child kick at the shins of a grown man while all those who stand around say "don't you dare to do anything to stop him".

#8 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-18 01:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

So the question really becomes, is terrorism justifiable?

Of course Israel has justification to defend itself from bombs being fired on its territory. But if Israel's actions create more radicals than they destroy, that's not a very wise policy, now is it?

Israel can't claim it really wants peace, because it keeps approving new settlements. You don't seize new territory if you're seeking peace.

#9 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-18 01:02 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

But this is only made possible by the protection other nations give them.

This is exactly backwards. Why am I not surprised? The country under protection is Israel. Palestinians are being blown out of their homes and no one is doing anything. The U.S. Senate just passed another resolution in support of Israel's actions.

#10 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-18 01:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes, only 200. They are lucky Israel has shown restraint. If iron dome wasn't as successful, and a group of Israelis are killed, you'd see a hell of a lot more than 200 dead Palestinians.

If the Palestinians had the power how many Jews would be left alive?

#11 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-07-18 01:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

This is exactly backwards. Why am I not surprised? The country under protection is Israel. Palestinians are being blown out of their homes and no one is doing anything. The U.S. Senate just passed another resolution in support of Israel's actions.

#10 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-18 01:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

We need to start punishing Israel for their illegal actions instead of condoning them.

#12 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-18 01:11 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

"So Israel has more power to change the situation." - RCade

They agreed to a ceasefire..... Hamas kept right on shooting rockets....

#13 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-18 01:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

"But if Israel's actions create more radicals than they destroy, that's not a very wise policy, now is it?"

So they are in a difficult position. Let themselves be eternally attacked by terrorists or deal with them.

Except that the option of dealing with them is off the table because of protections the world gives Palestine.

"The country under protection is Israel. Palestinians are being blown out of their homes and no one is doing anything."

BS, what would happen if Israel just decided to level Palestine?
They have the power, they have the justification. They could take it all. But even if no other nations stepped in to help Palestine they would suffer severely from that action.
You say there is no protection, but exactly what do you think would happen should Israel decide to deal with the matter once and for all?

#14 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-18 01:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The country under protection is Israel. " - RCade

So we should protect "countries" that oppress gays, women and other religions?

I at one time thought you were a gay rights advocate....

#15 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-18 01:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

So we should protect "countries" that oppress gays, women and other religions?

I at one time thought you were a gay rights advocate....

Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-18 01:15 PM | Reply

We do Saudi Arabia. Your point Ma'am??

#16 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-18 01:18 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

Except that the option of dealing with them is off the table because of protections the world gives Palestine.

Israel isn't interested in a deal. If it was, it wouldn't keep approving new settlements.

BS, what would happen if Israel just decided to level Palestine?

That's an absurd question. If they wiped it off the map they'd be a world pariah. Even the U.S. couldn't support them any more.

Instead, they're boiling the frog slowly so it won't jump out of the pot.

#17 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-18 01:18 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Israel decide to deal with the matter once and for all?

#14 | POSTED BY SALAMANDAGATOR

If they got serious, Gaza would be wiped clean... and turned into a wonderful resort. Which the Palestinians could do if they weren't so hell bent on committing harikari...

Have you see Lebanon in the 50's? Wow resort of the Europeans.... until.....

#18 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-18 01:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

So we should protect "countries" that oppress gays, women and other religions?

There are a lot of dumb questions being asked today to avoid talking about what Israel is doing.

#19 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-18 01:19 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Instead, they're boiling the frog slowly so it won't jump out of the pot.

#17 | POSTED BY RCADE

Israel aint the one turning up the heat........

9 years ago, Israel left Gaza, how has that turned out?

#20 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-18 01:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

There are a lot of dumb questions being asked today to avoid talking about what Israel is doing.

#19 | POSTED BY RCADE

Of course you think its dumb, you have no rational answer for it.

#21 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-18 01:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

That's an absurd question. If they wiped it off the map they'd be a world pariah."

Exactly and you don't see that as protection?

#22 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-18 01:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Israel aint the one turning up the heat...

Israel turns up the heat every time it approves a new settlement.

This current violence began when extremists on both sides murdered innocent teens.

#23 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-18 01:28 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

- Instead, they're boiling the frog slowly so it won't jump out of the pot.

lol, great Texas colloquialism.

And quite apt. The government of Israel (not all it's people agree by any means) has been slow boiling these folks for decades, stealing land for settlements to appease their rightwingers (who are much like ours) and baiting them into violent resistance.

Of course, the Palestinians have no Ghandis to lead them, but they are left with little option than to fight back as they can and hope for a change in world opinion.

#24 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-18 01:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Exactly and you don't see that as protection?

You think the world is "protecting" Palestine by not allowing its people to be wiped off the map entirely in a colossal and monstrous act of genocide?

#25 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-18 01:28 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"We do Saudi Arabia. Your point Ma'am??"

Good point, Larry. Does Mackris advocate cutting ties with Saudi Arabia?

#26 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-07-18 01:29 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

If you want to win a war you decimate your opponent. That is and always has been true. If Israel decimated its opponent they'd be a world pariah...

That seem odd to anyone else?

Why do the Palestinians use their time and money to stock up on arms and hiding places instead of building infrastructure and bettering the lives of their people? Why do they keep electing and supporting self destructive psychos and pledging to wipe Israel off the map?

#27 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-07-18 01:30 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"You think the world is "protecting" Palestine by not allowing its people to be wiped off the map entirely in a colossal and monstrous act of genocide?"

What other terrorists get to sit in a spots that allows them to act however they want and proper action against to to stop it would result in severe reaction against the country forced to defend itself?

#28 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-18 01:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

#27 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-07-18 01:30 PM | Reply | Flag

They spend on infrastructure. How do you think the line those tunnels with concrete?

#29 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-07-18 01:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

- appease their rightwingers (who are much like ours)

Just to elaborate, here our rwing pols just let their extremists shut down the ebil gub'mint a little. There they let their extremists kill some Palestinians every once and a while.

#30 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-18 01:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why do the Palestinians use their time and money to stock up on arms and hiding places instead of building infrastructure and bettering the lives of their people?

There are plenty of Palestinians who do that and want no part of missiles, just as there are Israelis who don't want new settlements. But when Israel is taking Palestinian territory, it strengthens the hand of the elements in Palestinian society who want war.

#31 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-18 01:45 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Rcade,
The people buying weapons and building major league tunnels are either the elected officials/party, or are doing so with the approval of the elected party. The people choose to support and elect the ones responsible for buying weapons and building tunnels.
I get that they aren't elected unanimously, but the point remains that they are elected.

I don't understand why Israel lets settlements be built, and then reigns them in, but I also don't understand why a hapless enemy would lob missiles and rockets at the 500lb gorilla either. They seem to enjoy the suffering. They also continuously get caught staging propaganda photo ops with children and "injured" residents.

#32 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-07-18 01:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

They seem to enjoy the suffering.

Would you expect a society that has lived under the conditions Palestinians have lived under for decades to be healthy or pathological?

#33 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-18 02:02 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

1. Stop funding the state of Israel.

2. Stop vetoing UN resolutions that hold Israel accountable.

3. Stop selling Israel weapons that we don't see to others.

Then there either be peace or their economy would collapse.

This is and has always been the American empires fault.

OIL.

#34 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-07-18 02:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Would you expect a society that has lived under the conditions Palestinians have lived under for decades to be healthy or pathological?

#33 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-18 02:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

The problem with that is that you're ignoring their own actions that continually lead to worse conditions.

The lost the first war, things got worse for them. What do they do? Plan another attack. Things got much worse for them. What do they do? Start a teror campaign. Things got worse for them. What do they do? Etc, etc, etc. They didn't just wake up one day and realize they've been living in crap conditions for over a generation. They actively persued the same losing course of action over and over.

Believe it or not, sometimes when a group of people lose a war they accept their losses and move on and then rebuild. They don't insist on perpetually fighting the losing end of a war.

I'm don't ignore the fact that Israel does alot of wrong too. But how can anyone ignore that the Palestinians just keep doing the same dumb stuff over and over knowing full well what the result will be?

At this point, the only Palestinian cause worth contributing to would be one that relocates sensible people who want to the get the hell away from their suicidal brethren.

#35 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-18 02:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

-or their economy would collapse.

Their annual GDP is 27 billion. A loss of 3 billion won't "collapse" them.

#36 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-18 02:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

- Would you expect a society that has lived under the conditions Palestinians have lived under for decades to be healthy or pathological?

- The problem with that is that you're ignoring their own actions that continually lead to worse conditions.

Duh.

#37 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-18 02:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

#36: You'll just have to ignore him Corky on that matter. He's been corrected multiple times on this very subject and still chooses to lie.

#38 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-07-18 02:32 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#37 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-18 02:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Point is that when they were originally making these horrible decisions, they hadn't been living under occupation for "decades". Its only decades now because they're idiots who kept repeating the same stupid cycle over and over. They chose to make things worse for themselves for decades and now you want to excuse them because things have been getting worse for decades.

Duh indeed..

#39 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-18 02:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

The problem with that is that you're ignoring their own actions that continually lead to worse conditions.

No, I'm not. I'm just putting most of the blame on the side with all the power.

#40 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-18 02:34 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

- Point is that when they were originally making these horrible decisions, they hadn't been living under occupation for "decades"

Not much of a point. Kinda dull, really.

One would expect them to fight back at first, and then when they lost and over time kept losing land to settlements, they fight back some more.

What else are they going to do? Leave? Where?

The caveat that they have no Ghandis among them has already been made.

Other than that I guess you would advise then to build underwater accommodations?

#41 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-18 02:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

In regard to the ongoing small missile attacks by the Palestinians, the question isn't so much, 'what should Israel be doing?', but rath "what SHOULDN'T Israel be doing?. Namely, building ever more settlements on Palestinian land and engaging in missile attacks that have a high risk of killing children and other civilians.

#42 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-07-18 02:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

- You'll just have to ignore him Corky

I 'splained things to him in general here:

www.drudge.com

But someone will have to repost it for him 'cause he doesn't read me.

#43 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-18 02:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm just putting most of the blame on the side with all the power.

#40 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-18 02:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

Part of the reason why they are the side with no power is that they blew it.

In 1948, they were the powerful side. There is no reason why the Arabs should have lost that war other than utter incompetence.

Even after that loss, they still had plenty of allies in the region but they turned all of them away through utter stupidity. Remember when they hijacked those planes and blew them up in Jordan? Idiocy like that is why their "Arab brothers" have abandoned them. There's a reason why Jordan doesn't want the West Bank back and a reason why Egypt doesn't want Gaza. And that is because they don't want to be responsible for the actions of idiots.

Their own stupidity has largely created their current circumstances and now you want to excuse their stupidty because of their circumstances.

#44 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-18 02:44 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Not much of a point. Kinda dull, really."

Only through the prism of a dull mind.

"One would expect them to fight back at first, and then when they lost and over time kept losing land to settlements, they fight back some more."

As I said, plenty of people have lost wars and lands and realized that they were best and moved on. The idea that everyone who has ever lost a war continues to fight that losing war forever is demonstrably untrue.

"What else are they going to do? Leave? Where?"

Now they've backed themselves into a corner. But to pretend like they never had other options is wilfull ignorance.

#45 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-18 02:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Blaming the Palestinians for Israeli settlements? Original, if not lucid.

#46 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-18 02:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

#45

Living in the Past is Jethro Tull tunage.

Pretty good, too.

www.youtube.com

#47 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-18 02:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

Blaming the Palestinians for Israeli settlements? Original, if not lucid.

#46 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-18 02:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Corky raises the white flag in the form of a strawman. At least you didn't lead with that this time. You're improving!

#48 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-18 02:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

- a strawman.

You are blaming the current Palestinians for the decisions of 60 years ago. Living in the past.

And offering them nada as solutions today. Not a strawman, a fact.

Though unsurprisingly, you don't recognize one when you see it.

#49 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-18 02:55 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"You are blaming the current Palestinians for the decisions of 60 years ago. Living in the past."

Their decisions over the last 60 years ARE how they got where they are. Blaming anything else would be idiotic.

And they continue to make the same bad decisions NOW. So you can only expect things to get worse. Making excuses for idiocy won't help them.

"And offering them nada as solutions today. Not a strawman, a fact."

That's not what you said that I called a strawman. Not sure why you'd try to pretend it was other than you being a habitual liar.

Their solution is to renounce violence and show they can make sane decisions and then cut a deal with whomever they can. Try to get Jordan to claim the West Bank and/or Egypt to claim Gaza. Or try to make a deal with Israel to end the occupation.

Doing the same dumb thing over and over is not the solution even thought this seems to be what you want for them.

#50 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-18 03:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Doing the same dumb thing over and over is not the solution ...

Tell that to Israel.

#51 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-18 03:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Tell that to Israel.

#51 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-18 03:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

If it were up to me, we'd cut them off too. And yes, I do think their actions that prolong the war are stupid. Just not as stupid as the Palestinians as evidenced by the way the balance of power has flipped 180 degrees in the past 65 years.

#52 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-18 03:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

-Tell that to Israel.

Naw, they might talk back and he'd have to call whatever they said a 'strawman'.

It's sorta like Shawn and "obfuscation". It's what they say when they have nothing.

#53 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-18 03:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

-If it were up to me, we'd cut them off too.

Which is why your original "point" was so, well.... pointless.

#54 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-18 03:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

-I thought

Your first mistake.

Wow. We've posted back and forth for weeks now. The short-term memory loss is strong in this one.

#58 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-18 03:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

If it were up to me, we'd cut them off too.

That's all I really want, at this point. Just get us off the carousel of bloodshed.

#59 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-18 03:24 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Which is why your original "point" was so, well.... pointless.

#54 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-18 03:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

No it wasn't as evidenced by your complete inability to refute it.

In reality, Palestinians have made very bad decisions over the years that have cost them lives, land, allies, financial backing, wordwide sympathy, etc.

Continuing to make the same bad decisions over and over has been and will continue to be bad for them. Their only hope is to change direction.

One of the barriers to their changing is that people who have nothing at stake keep telling them they are right to keep following the same losing strategy. Its the exact opposite of useful advice.

#61 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-18 03:27 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

- the carousel of bloodshed.

Is perpetuated by the rwing extremists on both sides. We don't help by supporting Israel unquestioningly, the left in Israel cowers at the settlers, and the Palestinians are too shell-shocked to do anything but mumble incoherently.

#62 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-18 03:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

Rightwing extremist? Corky, most liberals in Congress fully support Israel and their actions against the Palestinians.

#64 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-07-18 03:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

-mumble incoherently.

Wait... BL2 is Palestinian?

#65 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-18 03:30 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

#64

"Both sides" referred to both sides in Israel.

You are right, both sides here still have the same blindness.

#66 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-18 03:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

There is no winning strategy against overwhelming force. Israel has used overwhelming force more effectively than the United States.

#70 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-18 03:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

No, you were pointless all long.

#71 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-18 03:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

I boiled it down for you in #61 and it still sailed right over your soft little noggin. Oh well. You can lead an old fart to logic but you can't make him think.

#73 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-18 03:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

#72 |

You boys watch your ankles. There's a biter on the loose.

#74 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-18 03:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

- Point is that when they were originally making these horrible decisions, they hadn't been living under occupation for "decades".

It's a non sequitur, not a point.

That their tactics are not different now is because they have limited tactics available to the,; ie; the constant loss of their lands negates a long-term peaceful approach.

Would you care to have that in Braille?

#76 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-18 03:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

to them

#77 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-18 03:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

"That their tactics are not different now is because they have limited tactics available to the,; ie; the constant loss of their lands negates a long-term peaceful approach.

Would you care to have that in Braille?"

That's dumb even for you.

We know that the trying to defeat Israel or scare them into submission will never work. These rocket attacks are pathetic and are guarantee to bring nothing but hurt. So your contention that doing the dumbest thing possible is their only option can be rejected on its face. Just complete mind numbingly dumb garbage right there.

As I've already stated, they should try to reject violence for the time being and hope that they can re-engage some of their former allies, some of whom can make very strong claims to the land currently being occupied by Israel. Could it lead to more abuse in the short term? Not likely but it could. In the long term its likely to produce better results than repeating the same idiotic mistakes over and over, which is apparently what you want for them.

#78 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-18 03:58 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

At the very least, acting repsonsibly and re-engaging their former allies will give them somewhere they can instead of being trapped in the land Israel is intent on stealing.

#79 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-18 04:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

So your contention is that the brightest thing to do is hold off until their land is all covered in Israeli settlements?

I said hours ago that it is obvious they have no Ghandis among them... said it twice just for you benefit.

I see it was for naught.

- Could it lead to more abuse in the short term? Not likely

Have you ever considered a career in comedy?

Apparently you think that when they get slapped with a new settlement they should say, "Thank you! Another, please!".

Apparently that's what you would do.

Imprisoned as they are and losing more land daily, they have little in the way of good options. What they are doing is a good example of that.

#80 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-18 04:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

- re-engaging their former allies

What total crap. Their "former allies" never gave flying F about them to begin with; they would not take them in and used them as an excuse for war.

You have no clue as to what you are raving about.

#81 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-18 04:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why won't Israel allow cement to be imported so the Palestinians can build better lives.

Or better yet,

Why should Israel have any say in what the Palestinians import?

And

Why does Israel withhold taxes that are due to Palestinians?

#82 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2014-07-18 04:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Will you please post the map of the Country of Palestine.

#83 | Posted by Federalist at 2014-07-18 10:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why don't right-to-lifers call out Israel for using American tax money to fund their abortions?

#84 | Posted by DCTexan at 2014-07-18 10:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

#84 | POSTED BY DCTEXAN

Well show me the link! Or are you just blowing smoke?

#85 | Posted by Federalist at 2014-07-18 10:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

84
That has to be the oddest off topic abortion hijacks I've ever seen.

What kind of ----- brings abortion up out of the clear blue?

#86 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-07-18 10:42 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Why do the Palestinians use their time and money to stock up on arms and hiding places instead of building infrastructure and bettering the lives of their people?

It is the mindset of the arab. They can't bear the humiliation so they continue to be humiliated, it makes them strong in their minds.

rwd

#87 | Posted by rightwingdon at 2014-07-18 10:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Calling Israel the victim when it is the only country in the area with a pile of nukes is just plain propaganda.

Every occupier in history claims that it is defending itself. It is ALWAYS bs.

#88 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-07-18 11:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

What do their nukes have to do with anything?

Do you think the Palestinians are afraid of Israel nuking them? Stop and think for just a minute how ridiculous that is...shawn.

#89 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-07-18 11:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Funny, but reading comments through out this thread, it makes me wonder what present day America's response to the Nazis would be.

Based on some comments. It seems some of you would have blamed the Jews for being in the predicament they were in and for any retaliation.

But I get it. The situation is different.

Thus situation is an invading nation backed by other nation forcing the native population to get out of the way or die.

Palestinians are totally horrible human beings for not just putting up with the hostile nation that was parked on their land.

I know Americans are completely willing to give up their lives for total ungrateful strangers.

The native Americans didn't mind. Why should the Palestinians?

#90 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-19 12:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

Your American tax dollars at work:

www.breakingisraelnews.com

m.aleteia.org

#91 | Posted by DCTexan at 2014-07-19 12:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

Magnay forgot the one cardinal rule of American Journalism: never ever say anything bad about Israel. Too bad we Americans are such cowards about this. How long will we as a country carry guilt about our late involvement in WW2?

#92 | Posted by e1g1 at 2014-07-19 12:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

"84 That has to be the oddest off topic abortion hijacks I've ever seen."

We support Israel unconditionally. If the righties on this site are cool with Israelis using our money for their abortions, I want to hear them say it's all good.

#93 | Posted by DCTexan at 2014-07-19 12:51 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Then start an abortion thread, weirdo.
Do you like turtles?

#94 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-07-19 01:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

"...an astonishing, macabre...and awful thing, really, to watch this display..."

I know I'll take flak for this, but I felt the same way watching the response to the news that Bin Laden had been killed by SEALS.

Not because I support(ed) Bin Laden (and [...] you to any who plays that angle), but because I felt it a debasement of what was a righteous cause supposedly undertaken by a moral beacon in the world.

One in such a position takes life at need. At need never celebrates such an act. To do so shows a zeal for killing that belies the moralist cover, just as these Israelis do.

#95 | Posted by jpw at 2014-07-19 05:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

Why do the Palestinians use their time and money to stock up on arms and hiding places instead of building infrastructure and bettering the lives of their people? Why do they keep electing and supporting self destructive psychos and pledging to wipe Israel off the map?

#27 | Posted by 101Chairborne

partially because Israel blockades them from receiving goods to build said infrastructure

#97 | Posted by truthhurts at 2014-07-19 08:00 AM | Reply | Flag:

Corporate Media and US Government support of Israeli war crimes is absolute, just like our own war crimes.

#98 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-19 08:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Then start an abortion thread, weirdo."

Then you're OK with Israeli women using our cash for their abortions?

#99 | Posted by DCTexan at 2014-07-19 10:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

**** The Cowardly Jews want their Genocidal Crimes Covered Up!!!

#100 | Posted by AntiCadillac at 2014-07-19 02:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Israel should allow non combatants in Gaza to get out of harm's way. They should offer Palestinians in Gaza safe passage to the West Bank (i.e. an Exodus). Then the Israelis can go in to Gaza and deal more effectively with Hamas without all of the public blow back.

This would result in Palestinians willing to make peace with Israel united in the West Bank; those not willing to make peace would be dead.

Personally, I think Israelis want to do to Palestinians what Americans did to native Americans; resettle them onto reservations. I think that the Israeli vision of manifest destiny is for Gaza and the West Bank to be incorporated into Israel. I don't believe that Israel is interested in a two state solution.

#101 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2014-07-19 06:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

Personally, I think Israelis want to do to Palestinians what Americans did to native Americans; resettle them onto reservations.

#101 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2014-07-19 06:49 PM | Reply | Flag

I don't think that is the case. If hamas/palistinians come to the table with a real offer to settle their differences Israel would deal with them properly.
I think Israel wants peace with their neighbors and to stop all the hostilities.
Rogers will come flying on here to state Israel doesn't want peace because they are building on occupied lands that Israel rightfully took when they were attacked. If hamas comes to the table you would see those settlements transferred over and a whole new world of support would come their way.
Until then, nada.

rwd

#102 | Posted by rightwingdon at 2014-07-19 07:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

To solve the problem, Hamas must be eliminated. That is not possible with them sharing GAZA with so many other people (I think) that want nothing to do with their cause. Let there be an exodus of those Palestinians from Gaza that want peace.

#103 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2014-07-19 10:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

This treatment of this reporter is somewhat analogous to the treatment of once world renowned journalist of the 20th century, Dorothy Thompson (married to Sincair Lewis). She graced the cover of Time in 1939 as the most influential woman next to Eleanor Roosevelt. A movie starring Katherine Hepburn and Spencer Tracy and a Broadway play starring Lauren Bacall were based upon her. You say Dorothy who?.....I never heard of her. It all changed when she criticized the Zionist treatment of Palestinians.

You see Dorothy Thompson was almost erased from journalistic history in orchestrated campaign of career assassination by the Z's because she spoke out about the cruelty of the Zionists in their treatment of Palestinians after actually visiting the area in the 40s.

www.veteransnewsnow.com

It is an interesting read about the tactics of character assassination used against Dorothy Thompson and those critical of Israel. These people in the media today know that they risk it all speaking out, but some can't stand the frustration and the Z muzzle against truth.

#104 | Posted by Robson at 2014-07-19 11:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

#1 I see more smoke on one side and more sheer malice on the other in direct proportion to the bodies of innocents.

It also should be clear why the bigoted MSM such as CNN is so demographically skewed, and why they pick and choose their media reporters not based upon competence or character, but instead based upon insurance that they will report the company / country approved line.

#105 | Posted by Robson at 2014-07-20 12:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

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