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Friday, July 18, 2014

Greg Sargent, Washington Post: As the political war over the crisis at the border escalates, Senate Democrats recognize that they need to do better in pushing back against Republicans in the big argument over the larger meaning of searing visuals of unaccompanied minors crossing into South Texas. They are aware they need to sharpen their case that in reality, the border is more secure than it has been in years. ... Senator Martin Heinrich of New Mexico has been tasked by Senate Dem leaders to take the lead in this big argument, and he conceded in an interview with me that Dems need to firm up their case. ... [A]ccording to DHS statistics, removals from the border region have actually gone up; it's removals from the interior that have gone down, reflecting Obama's shift in priorities to the border and away from deporting low-level offenders with lives here. Meanwhile, a Pew study last September found the population of undocumented immigrants here has remained relatively steady in recent years, after going up from 1990-2005.

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"That's one of my frustrations," he told me. "We need to get the facts on the table." Heinrich said the case that the border is secure can be made with several clear DHS data bullet points sent over by his office.

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1) In FY 2012, the Federal government spent $17.9 billion on immigration enforcement. That is $3.5 billion more than the budgets of all other Federal law enforcement agencies (FBI, DEA, ATF, Secret Service, and U.S. Marshalls Service) combined.

2) Since 2004, the number of agents along our borders has increased by 94 percent to over 21,000 Border Patrol Agents today.

3) Since President Obama was elected, immigration crimes have become the most prosecuted crimes in Federal court.

4) From FY 2009-2012, DHS has seized 71 percent more currency, 39 percent more drugs, and 189 percent more weapons along the Southwest border as compared to the last four years of the previous Administration.

Meanwhile, according to DHS statistics, removals from the border region have actually gone up; it's removals from the interior that have gone down, reflecting Obama's shift in priorities to the border and away from deporting low level offenders with lives here. Meanwhile, a Pew study last September found the population of undocumented immigrants here has remained relatively steady in recent years, after going up from 1990-2005.

"All of the trends and data have been quite positive in recent years," Heinrich said. "We have way more border patrol agents. We have dramatically more mobile surveillance systems. We've reduced illegal crossings. All this makes it clear this is not a border-driven crisis; it is a refugee crisis that has shown up at the border."


Here's the data. Accept it, reject it, but don't further deny you're aware of its existence.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-07-17 09:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

All of your statistics were from a period when Obama was still concerned with winning a 2nd term. How about some statistics from his second term.

Good job!

#2 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2014-07-17 10:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Greg Sargent writes The Plum Line blog, a reported opinion blog with a liberal slant -- what you might call "opinionated reporting" from the left. He joined the Post in early 2009, after stints at Talking Points Memo

LMAO. Can we get a second opinion? What's your opinion, Tony the hack?

#3 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2014-07-17 10:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

All of your statistics were from a period when Obama was still concerned with winning a 2nd term.

FY2012 ended less than two years ago. Do you have a single verifiable fact that these numbers have decreased as it regards expenditures and enforcement or are you simply saying "uncle" in coded language?

And further, Congress ultimately decides expenditures and all the President can do is to submit a request to Congress. So did Obama request that border security be de-emphasized after his re-election? You tell me.

Greg Sargent is reporting the information Senator Heinrich gave him from the DHS. Your ignorance and lack of reading comprehension is showing again. Everything is verifiable including your obstinance.

#4 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-07-17 10:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hack!

#5 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2014-07-17 10:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

#5

So Senator Heinrich is a hack? Sargent doesn't make any judgement about anything, he simply writes the article as information and perspective that he received from Heinrich and the DHS material he provided.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you have no comprehension of an easily comprehendable article. You appear to be as shallow as a sidewalk water puddle and likely twice as dense.

#6 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-07-17 11:20 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you have no comprehension of an easily comprehendable article. You appear to be as shallow as a sidewalk water puddle and likely twice as dense.

#6 | Posted by tonyroma

Oh. I didn't see an article. I saw some propaganda from a blogger.

#7 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2014-07-18 07:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

Oh. I didn't see an article. I saw some propaganda from a blogger.

Of course you did. You're incapable of simple reading comprehension and rational thought processing, but I'm being redundant....

#8 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-07-18 07:28 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Asked about the prospect of approving Obama's $3.7 billion request for emergency funding to alleviate the border crisis before a five-week break begins Aug. 1, Boehner said, "I would certainly hope so, but I don't have as much optimism as I would like to have."

I'm reminded of something Kevin Drum recently said: "Well, of course it won't happen. The crisis along the border is tailor made for Republicans. It makes their base hopping mad, it juices their campaign fundraising, and anytime the government is unable to address a problem it makes Obama look bad. Why on earth would Republicans want to do anything to change any of this? As long as Obama is president, chaos is good for Republicans. After all, most voters don't really know who's at fault when things go wrong, they just know there's a crisis and Obama doesn't seem to be doing anything about it."

I was skeptical when Kevin wrote this, but his assessment is looking quite prescient now.

Keep in mind, this isn't a situation in which the Republican-led House wants one solution, the Democratic-led Senate wants another, and a compromise is elusive. Rather, we're looking at a dynamic in which the GOP House majority simply can't pass anything – many House Republicans are reluctant to spend any money at all on the problem, putting pressure on Boehner to find Democratic votes to pass a bill. But the more the Speaker looks for a package that can pick up Democratic support, the more GOP members balk.
www.msnbc.com


Its not cynicism when its the truth.

#9 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-07-18 08:16 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

Tony,

You are citing Kevin Drum's opinion as 'truth'?

I think you need to look up the definition of 'truth'.

#10 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-18 03:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

Tony,

It's not just that it's Kevin Drum's opinion. It could be anybody's opinion and it would be just that - opinion.

I could just as easily copy and paste a conservative writer opine that Obama's executive implementation of the DREAM Act in '12 as a cynical political ploy to try and woo the Hispanic vote via Executive lawless over-reach sent a clear signal that as long as children make it across the border, they will not only be staying, but will be taken care of. That this is what Obama wanted and now that chaos has ensued he's not letting this crisis go to waste and is using it to pressure the GOP to pass 'comprehensive' (translation: incomprehensible) immigration reform that he can then enforce as he sees fit, picking and choosing his favorite parts of the reform and ignoring what he doesn't like.

That's speculative (to a point) and it's opinionated. It's also every bit as much 'truth' as your Kevin Drum quote.

#11 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-18 03:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Jeff...

Have you read this story? IT IS NOT Kevin Drum's opinion, it is Senator Heinrich's story as told TO Kevin Drum. It is an interview piece, not a Drum editorial by any sense of either words!

I really can't believe that you are so blinded by bias not to be able to discern that DHS statistics aren't Kevin Drum's opinion, they are the official record of the US Government.

You are truly becoming someone that I no longer know.

#12 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-07-18 03:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

#9 IS Kevin Drum's opinion, but it is not a part of the article linked to in the title of this thread. Perhaps that's why you're confused.

#13 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-07-18 03:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

- You are truly becoming someone that I no longer know.

He used to such a nice moderate young Polish boy until the Tea Party defiled him with vast quantities of kool-aide.

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-18 03:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

#12 should read "Greg Sargent", not Kevin Drum. Damn Jeff, even you've gotten me confused with the people mentioned in these posts and articles.

#15 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-07-18 03:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Tony,

This is what I was responding to:

I'm reminded of something Kevin Drum recently said: "Well, of course it won't happen. The crisis along the border is tailor made for Republicans. It makes their base hopping mad, it juices their campaign fundraising, and anytime the government is unable to address a problem it makes Obama look bad. Why on earth would Republicans want to do anything to change any of this? As long as Obama is president, chaos is good for Republicans. After all, most voters don't really know who's at fault when things go wrong, they just know there's a crisis and Obama doesn't seem to be doing anything about it."

My response was specific to this because you put it in bold which indicated to me that it was what you felt to be the strongest point made in your excerpt.

#16 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-18 04:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

#12 should read "Greg Sargent", not Kevin Drum.

That's too bad. I am more inclined to listen to Kevin Drum than Greg Sargent.

#17 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-18 04:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

really can't believe that you are so blinded by bias not to be able to discern that DHS statistics

I am not challenging the DHS statistics that are being cited.

#18 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-18 04:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Tony,

Read #16 and #18 carefully. It should clear up how you so badly misconstrued what I was saying (which I take responsibility for - I should have been far more clear as to what I was specifically responding to).

#19 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-18 04:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Jeff...

The discussion about editorializing with Mysterytoy was about the thread article, not the Drum opinion. There was no editorializing done by Sargent whatsoever, he simply reported the information being given him by Sen. Heinrich.

And please inform us why Drum's statements regarding what Boehner and many Republicans are saying about not giving the government the $3.7 billion to specifically alleviate the ongoing border crisis is anything but political when the GOP has not brought one single legislative plan to the table as to how to deal with it IMMEDIATELY even though they excoriate Obama for not having done so yesterday?

And truth be told, it is Steve Benen expressing his opinion using Kevin Drum's quote, which is easily determined if one takes the time to actually follow the link back to its source. And of course, this opinion is about the optics the GOP desires even though they have nothing positive to add toward any solution but to deny the President his plan while the refugee crisis continues to fester.

The GOP isn't interested in actually solving problems with realistic solutions, they seem to be mainly concerned with exactly what Drum says and I as posited, the factual record bears this out.

#20 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-07-18 04:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

They hypocrisy of the GOP is noted.

it almost gathers nothing more than a collective yawn......

The entire Fed govt is hypocritical on the subject of immigration reform.

Did the Federal Govt recently sue the State of Arizona for nothing more than enforcing federal immigration law?

#21 | Posted by eberly at 2014-07-18 04:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Tony,

The issue underlying this entire thing is:

'Why are these children coming here en masse? What is causing them to believe that if they just get here, they'll be able to stay?'

Until that perception is dispelled, we are throwing money down a rat hole. Also, what is this money specifically ear-marked for? Is it for increased resources to return these children to their places of origin more quickly? My understanding is the money is tagged to be spent 'processing' these -------- - making it easier to 'handle' (read: integrate into our country) never-ending waves of children..

The countries they are fleeing have been violent for decades. It's not as if some maniacal dictator is all of a sudden committing mass genocide which is thus causing such a huge tidal wave of -------- from Central America. How in the hell did they slip through Mexico so easily? Mexico has one of the most restrictive and rigidly enforced immigration policies in the Northern Hemisphere (just ask the marine who is rotting in a Mexican jail cell for making a wrong turn).

There is a lot of very questionable things going on and the GOP lacked the power and ability to make these things happen with only control of the House for the past 2+ years.

The Democrats want amnesty and they want it bad.

That you can only see one side being political....

#22 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-18 04:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Democrats want amnesty and they want it bad.

That you can only see one side being political....

Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-18 04:34 PM | Reply

BOTH SIDES want amnesty if truth were told. The reason the Republicans are vocally against it in public is because they hate Obama so much they are using these kids to attack Obama on. The undocumented are just pawns to the GOP for political gain. That's all.

#23 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-18 04:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

Larry,

Some Republicans want amnesty.

Most don't.

Most Republicans don't want a secure border or have immigration law that is faithfully enforced. The cheap labor benefits too many of their constituents.

#24 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-18 04:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why are these children coming here en masse? What is causing them to believe that if they just get here, they'll be able to stay?'

In order to understand what's happening today, you have to start by looking back decades in order to find the answers:

Here's How The U.S. Sparked A Refugee Crisis On The Border, In 8 Simple Steps

1) 1954: US Overthrows Arbenz
2) U.S. Fuels Civil Wars
3) Refugees Flee Central America For The U.S.
4) The U.S. Launches The Drug War As Cities Are Hollowed Out
5) The Drug War And Mass Incarceration Leads To A Rise Of Gang Violence
6) With Some Stability Restored, The U.S. Sends A Wave Of Gang Members
Back To Central America
7) The U.S. Escalates The Drug War
8) 2009: Another Coup
www.huffingtonpost.com


As it regards the $3.7 billion:
$68.4 million to increase border security - the current crisis has overburdened every part of the government that deals with unaccompanied children, and since Border Patrol is the first government agency to come into contact with them, it's bearing the brunt of the overload. Border Patrol agents are concerned that they're spending too much time processing and supervising immigrant children, rather than patrolling. The administration's request would fund 16 new crews for aerial surveillance drones along the border, to be there when agents can't. It would also give some money to Border Patrol for inter-agency cooperation and information sharing.

$364 million for temporary housing and screening of children and families by Border Patrol agents

$1.8 billion for long-term housing for children under the Department of Health and Human Services - HHS' Office of Refugee Resettlement is responsible for securing long-term care for unaccompanied children while their cases make their way through immigration court. The administration wants an extra $1.8 billion for HHS -- the bulk of its funding request -- so that it can find sustainable housing for the children who have already been apprehended, while their cases make their way through court. Having sufficient resources would also help keep HHS from having to release children to relatives without doing background checks.

$879 million to detain, prosecute, and deport migrant parents

$64 million for quicker court cases for children and families

$295 million to reintegrate deportees and address root causes in Central America

$5 million for a media campaign telling families not to come to the US - Both the administration and its critics tend to claim that migrants are coming to the US because they're confused about US immigration law, and the administration has repeatedly made efforts to clear up that confusion by telling families that it is dangerous to come to the US and that they will not get legal status when they arrive. Now, their request includes $5 million to make that case in Mexico and Central America. www.vox.com


#25 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-07-18 05:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

What is causing them to believe that if they just get here, they'll be able to stay?

In fact, desperate Central American parents are exploiting separate legal loopholes in American border security passed before Obama took office. Unaccompanied minors fall under the bipartisan law, William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008, which passed the House and Senate unanimously and was signed into law by President George W. Bush.

That law says the children cannot be sent back. They must instead be held humanely by the Department of Health and Human Services until the courts release them to a "suitable family member" in this country.
The child "shall be promptly placed in the least restrictive setting that is in the best interest of the child," the law stipulates. "Placement of child trafficking victims may include placement in an Unaccompanied Refugee Minor program … if a suitable family member is not available to provide care."

Department of Homeland Security (DHS) sources say more than 80 percent of these children will find permanent homes in the U.S., with either family or foster homes and not be sent back to Central America. abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/
2014/06/analysis-whats-the-
real-reason-behind-central-
american-immigrant-wave-u-s-
law/


This is the main reason the GOP is so dispicable. They know this law overrides any unilateral deporting by the government yet they blame the President, instead of themselves, for creating the foundation for this refugee crisis.

#26 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-07-18 05:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Tony,

Not to nitpick, but your Vox numbers add up to $3.47 billion, unless Vernon just slipped me his calculator.

#27 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-18 05:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

This is the main reason the GOP is so dispicable. They know this law overrides any unilateral deporting by the government yet they blame the President, instead of themselves, for creating the foundation for this refugee crisis.
#26 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

They should immediately repeal this law and carefully craft a new one once this surge stops. Do you think Obama would sign a repeal into law? I don't.

I hear what you are saying about his acting unilaterally - but it would carry a lot more weight if he actually showed deference and respect to his constitutional constraints.

This crisis is begging for presidential leadership. He is failing miserably. He is proposing and asking for NOTHING that will stem this flow and it's a flow that can be attributed, at least in part, to his unilateral implementation of the DREAM Act in '12 that never made it through congress.

#28 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-18 05:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

"$295 million to reintegrate deportees and address root causes in Central America"

Well we know what the root causes are: the War on Some Drugs and treaties like NAFTA that allowed dumping of subsidized U.S. agricultural products, thereby impoverishing farmers and turning them into illegal immigrants.

Thanks for nothing, Bill Clinton, Hillary, Al Gore, Joe Biden, etc.

#29 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-07-18 05:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

"This is the main reason the GOP is so dispicable."

so politics doesn't always go Obama's way. It's not fair.

It's as if the only victim here is Obama, in your eyes.

The refugees will be taken care of and Obama won't so much as suffer a hangnail (politically speaking) and you're crying over his hangnail.

wow

#30 | Posted by eberly at 2014-07-18 05:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

They know this law overrides any unilateral deporting by the government yet they blame the President, instead of themselves, for creating the foundation for this refugee crisis.
#26 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Not according to Diane Feinstein (it was her law)....

(07-11) 15:04 PDT WASHINGTON -- Two Bay Area Democrats - Sen. Dianne Feinstein and Rep. Zoe Lofgren of San Jose - wrote the law now at the center of the controversy over what to do with the 50,000-plus children and other Central American immigrants swamping the Texas border.

Feinstein defended the provisions of a 2008 child-trafficking law, which the Obama administration says ties the hands of the government in dealing with unaccompanied minors crossing the border. The law prevents immediate deportation of children coming over the border alone from countries other than Mexico and Canada. Federal officials must assess each child to see if he or she is eligible for asylum or refugee residency, a process that can take months.

Feinstein says the law has an "exceptional circumstances" loophole that could give the administration more flexibility to remove children.
www.sfgate.com

#31 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-18 05:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

"This crisis is begging for presidential leadership. He is failing miserably."

Why, you're just despicable, Jeff!!!!

#32 | Posted by eberly at 2014-07-18 05:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

They should immediately repeal this law and carefully craft a new one once this surge stops. Do you think Obama would sign a repeal into law? I don't. - JeffJ

They don't have too.....

Obama cares not to do anything about it.

When he cares, as in Obamacare, he does something.......

This is part of the program.

#33 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-18 05:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

""$295 million to reintegrate deportees and address root causes in Central America""

There are no root causes in CentralAmerica. Its getting better, homicide rates a down in almost all CA countries...
www.scribd.com

#34 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-18 05:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

DISPICABLE

sorry....couldn't resist.

#35 | Posted by eberly at 2014-07-18 05:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

" Its getting better, homicide rates a down in almost all CA countries..."

What bunk. No poverty, no refugee crisis.

#36 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-07-18 05:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

They don't have too.....
Obama cares not to do anything about it.
When he cares, as in Obamacare, he does something.......
This is part of the program.

#33 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

His point is still valid. The GOP decries his unilateral and unconstitutional actions and is yet demanding that he does so now?

Having said that, it appears his point is watered down by this:

Feinstein says the law has an "exceptional circumstances" loophole that could give the administration more flexibility to remove children.

This administration has been handling this terribly thus far. Hopefully that will change, but I am not holding my breath as I suspect they view this is a political opportunity and politics trumps everything with this administration.

#37 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-18 05:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Do you think Obama would sign a repeal into law? I don't.

Obama seeks change to law that protects immigrant kids

Alan Gomez, USA TODAY 7:02 p.m. EDT July 2, 2014

As part of an effort to stem the flood of children caught trying to cross the nation's southwest border, President Obama is trying to change a 2008 law that dictates how the federal government handles those immigrant children in order to speed up their deportations. The president is now asking Congress to amend the law in a way that would allow Border Patrol agents to render a deportation decision themselves and quickly deport the children back to their home country.

A White House official confirmed on Wednesday that the administration is considering changes to the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008, known as the TVPRA, to fast-track deportation decisions. www.usatoday.com


Obama cares not to do anything about it.

Yep. And did you miss this part too:

Unaccompanied minors fall under the bipartisan law, William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008, which passed the House and Senate unanimously and was signed into law by President George W. Bush.

My complaint was that CONGRESS was at fault, but I don't currently see Democrats trying to bash Obama for enforcing their own creation. Only the GOP is doing that Andrea, that is why I justifiably criticized them.

And most Dems do not support the unilateral dismantling of the 2008 Act because to deny these kids the opportunity to plead their case for asylum isn't compatible with who we are as a people and the ideals of due process we profess to uphold. Many of these kids face death or worse should they return to their country.

#38 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-07-18 05:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

A White House official confirmed on Wednesday that the administration is considering changes to the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008, known as the TVPRA, to fast-track deportation decisions.

OK. Then come out with it. If Obama got in front of a teleprompter tomorrow and said: "The most effective way to stem the flow of 'refugees' is to change TVPRA to allow for fast-track deportations. This only addresses part of the larger issues plaguing immigration, but it does address this particular crisis in the short term. I implore congress to move quickly to pass this simple measure in order to stop the flow of refugees that we are ill equipped to house in such extreme numbers."
- I would be applauding. Further, if congress quickly passed this AND he signed it, I would be jumping up and down. But what you sourced is lip service. That he's even considering it is a positive sign. Now, he needs to embrace his leadership role and push to make it happen.

#39 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-18 06:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

#39

In case you haven't been watching, ANYTHING that Obama supports (ie. $3.7 billion) the GOP OPPOSES automatically. Why do you think he's not taken the bully pulpit more often even for proposals that enjoy widespread public support?

Its not Obama's job to convince Congress to do their own. I didn't expect Bush to do it nor any President before him. Issues should be decided upon their merit regardless of who proposes them.

If the GOP fast-tracked these requests, perhaps they'd have a chance to pass deportation legislation due to the ignorance of the public as to the causes and victims caught in it's web. It should be up to Congress (GOP House, anybody home?) to initiate legislation that starts the debate since Obama has already signaled that he'll go against the progressives who will fight any change that usurps the rights of these children. The 2008 legislation was put in place to provide haven for trafficked children and the sudden influx is no reason to turn our backs on at very least listening to their stories and determining whether their domestic families can take them in and support them going forward before initiating a 'catch and release' policy (meaning release back to their nations of origin).

#40 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-07-18 07:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

In case you haven't been watching, ANYTHING that Obama supports (ie. $3.7 billion) the GOP OPPOSES automatically.

In case you haven't been watching, ANYTHING that the House passes Reid OPPOSES automatically.

Seriously, quit your fricking whining.

Here's a tip: The bully pulpit can be awfully effective if POTUS has a strong case to make. In the entire 5+ years of his presidency Obama has failed miserably to persuade the public on any of his policy initiatives.

This crisis needs leadership. People are naturally looking to POTUS as this falls squarely into the wheel-house of the executive branch. Obama and his supporters are the most excuse-driven people on the planet. I have never in my life seen a leader shift blame, complain and avoid responsibility like Obama does. It only makes sense that you'd blame his failings on the GOP. The way that he blames Washington, as if he's an outsider looking in, is pathetic. He (and you) act as if he's responsible for nothing. EVERYTHING is somebody else's fault. It would be hilarious if the stakes weren't so high.

#41 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-19 10:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

In case you haven't been watching, ANYTHING that the House passes Reid OPPOSES automatically.

Seriously, quit your fricking whining.

Here's a tip: The bully pulpit can be awfully effective if POTUS has a strong case to make. In the entire 5+ years of his presidency Obama has failed miserably to persuade the public on any of his policy initiatives.

Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-19 10:41 AM | Reply

Blame everything on Reid which is laughable on its face like blaming Reid for demanding a clean debt ceiling bill WITHOUT the rider to kill ObamaCare. Yeah it's all Reid's fault. (ROLLS EYES)

#42 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-19 10:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Here's a tip: The bully pulpit can be awfully effective if POTUS has a strong case to make. In the entire 5+ years of his presidency Obama has failed miserably to persuade the public on any of his policy initiatives."

"Half of all adults say they would be more likely to vote for a congressional candidate who supports increasing the minimum wage, according to a Washington Post/ABC News poll conducted Feb. 27-Mar.2. About three-in-ten (28%) said a candidate's stance on the issue wouldn't make much difference and 19% said they would be less likely to vote for a lawmaker who backed the wage hike."

www.pewresearch.org

IN reality, gerrymandered districts enable Republicans to ignore the will of the people.

#43 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-19 10:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

In case you haven't been watching, ANYTHING that Obama supports (ie. $3.7 billion) the GOP OPPOSES automatically.

Because all he wants to do is spend money on a larger infrastructure, at an enormous rate per illegal..er sorry undocumented. Its not needed, as Feinstein stated there are loop holes for this situation, as JeffJ states, it only takes LEADERSHIP.

#44 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-19 10:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

IN reality, gerrymandered districts enable Republicans to ignore the will of the people.

#43 | POSTED BY DANNI

I would say that is true for both sides..... but then again I am objective that way....

#45 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-19 10:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

Because all he wants to do is spend money on a larger infrastructure, at an enormous rate per illegal..er sorry undocumented. Its not needed, as Feinstein stated there are loop holes for this situation, as JeffJ states, it only takes LEADERSHIP.

Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-19 10:53 AM | Reply

Tis better to spend money on helping people than it is wasting money killing people.

#46 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-19 10:56 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"I would say that is true for both sides..... but then again I am objective that way...."

You have the objectivity of most lifelong Republicans.

"The 2010 elections, in which Republicans won the House majority and gained more than 700 state legislative seats across the nation, gave the party the upper-hand in the process of redistricting, the once-a-decade redrawing of congressional seats. The advantage helped them design safer partisan districts and maintain their House majority in 2012 -- even as they lost the presidential race by about 5 million votes. Also nationwide, Democratic House candidates combined to win about 1.4 million more votes than Republicans, according to data compiled by Bloomberg News.

"The Republican-created maps in most states set up a sort of seawall," said Justin Levitt, a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles. "As the decade goes on, people do shift party allegiances and move in and out of town, and so the effects erode a little bit, but it's still a seawall and it's still keeping some of the flood of 2010 in," Levitt said."

www.bloomberg.com

#47 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-19 11:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

Nothing new here. I find it interesting that the major part of our population AND the world see Barackus Maximus as weak, inept, and totally incapable of governing yet all the sycophants, especially those in the media and the DR, still see him as the messiah. I can only suppose it's because they have so much invested in him from the beginning that they can't take a serious look and ask, "How could I have been so blindly stupid?"
How many of our little friends here are buying all he "tranquility" Josh What's-'is-name said Barackus has brought about in the world. I suppose our little DR friends wanna attribute all the "tranquility" In the Ukraine, Crime, and Russia with his admirable "flexibity" with Putin too. Of course, they KNOW the recent poll finding him the worst president since WWII too. Like Lenin said, they are the epitome of "useful fools."

#48 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-07-19 11:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

Danni,

Gerrymandering has been in place since this country was founded. To act as if it exclusively benefits Republicans is absurd.

#49 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-19 11:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

Blame everything on Reid which is laughable on its face like blaming Reid for demanding a clean debt ceiling bill WITHOUT the rider to kill ObamaCare. Yeah it's all Reid's fault. (ROLLS EYES)

#42 | POSTED BY LARRYMOHR

I don't blame Reid for that. That was a Ted Cruz gambit and it failed and it hurt the GOP in the process.

#50 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-19 11:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

And then dem liers tell their story.

www.washingtontimes.com

#51 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-07-19 01:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Did the Federal Govt recently sue the State of Arizona for nothing more than enforcing federal immigration law?

#21 | Posted by eberly

No one remembers eb, it was a couple years ago.

#52 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-07-19 01:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

" Its getting better, homicide rates a down in almost all CA countries..."

What bunk. No poverty, no refugee crisis.

#36 | Posted by nullifidian

Aree we the keeper of the world's poor?

#53 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-07-19 01:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

These children are entitled to due process of law. That means they are entitled to legal representation and hearings before they are deported. Given that there is already a backlog of some 300,000 immigration cases waiting for adjudication, that would take a while. In the meantime they must be housed and fed. The 14th Amendment has been interpreted by the Supreme Court to grant rights to Corporations as "persons". Neither the Federal Government nor the states (per the Amendment) may "deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws". Notice, it does not say "citizen". If a Corporation is a "person", is a child somehow not?

#54 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2014-07-19 01:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

They shouldn't even be getting across the border in the first place.

#55 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-07-19 01:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

#55

What's worse is that lefties lionize people who break our laws.

#56 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-19 01:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Only if the law breakers are rich and educated. You know, actual contributors.

#57 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-07-19 01:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

They shouldn't even be getting across the border in the first place.

#55 | Posted by 101Chairborne

What do you want to do, shoot them? Once they turn themselves in to the Border Patrol (which is what they are doing) they are in custody of the US Government. It always amazes me that we (U.S.) care so little about what the rest of the world thinks of us. As someone testified in congress yesterday, how can we insist that other countries allow millions of refugees of the Syrian conflict into their countries when we will not allow these children refuge in ours?

#58 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2014-07-19 01:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

As someone testified in congress yesterday, how can we insist that other countries allow millions of refugees of the Syrian conflict into their countries when we will not allow these children refuge in ours?

Because the 2 situations aren't even remotely compatible.

Lefties love to take equivalence to an absurd degree.

#59 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-19 01:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

They aren't refugees.

They are flooding here en masse because propaganda is circulating where they live that if they can just get across the border they'll be allowed to stay forever.

#60 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-19 01:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

We should dump them all in Mexico City.

The country with the most draconian immigration laws in the world is turning a blind eye (and possibly facilitating) to hundreds of thousands of non-Mexicans traveling through their country illegally.

#61 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-19 01:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

They are flooding here en masse because propaganda is circulating where they live that if they can just get across the border they'll be allowed to stay forever.

And you can be certain of this how? Because someone on Fox News told you so? Do you have some kind of first-hand knowledge? Who is responsible for that "propaganda"?

"Honduras has the world's highest homicide rate for a nation not at war. In El Salvador, the end of a truce between street gangs has led to a sharp rise in homicides. Violence spread in recent decades after members of California street gangs were deported to Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador, where they overwhelmed weak and corrupt police forces."
www.nbcnews.com

The UN is close to declaring these children refugees (unless the US government bullies them out of it). How much harm can 50,000 children do to a country of 300,000,000 people?

#62 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2014-07-19 01:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

#61 | Posted by JeffJ

I agree, Mexico should be treating them as refugees, too. But the fact is that they have arrived at our border. We are great practitioners of "do as I say, not as I do".

#63 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2014-07-19 02:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

How much harm can 50,000 children do to a country of 300,000,000 people?

A lot. Especially in this era of Jenny McCarthy and the like not vaccinating their children against common and easily prevented diseases that the children from other countries are not inoculated against.

#64 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-19 02:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

#64 | Posted by kanrei

"Before demonizing undocumented children, we should look at the facts: The vast majority of Central Americans are vaccinated against all these diseases. Governments concerned about health, and good parents investing in their kids, have made Central American kids better-vaccinated than Texan kids. We fear them not because they are actually sick, but because of powerful anti-immigration narratives that link foreigners to disease."

"By comparison, one in six kids in Texas is uninsured, and even insured families often must pay for vaccination. That means that many Texas kids fall behind on vaccinations, or miss them altogether when their family can't afford a doctor's visit. Other families refuse vaccination."

"Fact check: UNICEF reports that 93 percent of kids in Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador are vaccinated against measles. That's better than American kids (92 percent)."
www.texasobserver.org

#65 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2014-07-19 02:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

They are flooding here en masse because propaganda is circulating where they live that if they can just get across the border they'll be allowed to stay forever.

#60 | Posted by JeffJ

As many of them have already been sent back more than once, I'd say they ARE refugees seeking to escape the violence and oppression in there own countries.

it only takes LEADERSHIP.

Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-19 10:53 AM | Reply

One may only lead those who are willing to be led. If Obama led by proclaiming the sky was blue (a truth that costs us nothing), the republicans would ALWAYS take an opposing view (Stop spending money on a blue sky! You communist!). It has little to do with leadership. It has far more to do with obstruction.

Frankly, I doubt if this situation would be any different if there wasn't a single dem in Washington. We simply wouldn't be hearing about it from elected republicans at all.

#66 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-07-19 02:15 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

#65 | POSTED BY WHODAMAN AT 2014-07-19 02:15 PM

Thank you for posting that politely. I stand corrected.

#67 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-19 02:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

No problem, I have always held you in respect. And I've always liked your little songs. I am glad to hear of your recovery, as well.

#68 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2014-07-19 02:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

=D I think I just wanted to rail against Jenny McCarthy.

#69 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-19 02:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

I will join you in that!

#70 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2014-07-19 02:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

What is sad is that both sides, as usual, are more interested in demonizing the other side for what they are not doing instead of actually trying to do something about it. Too bad this is an election year or maybe we would actually try to help instead of politicizing a tragedy for personal gain.

#71 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-19 02:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

Lately, with the need to feed the 24x7 news cycle, it's always an election year.

#72 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2014-07-19 02:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Also, I reject the "they're both the same" argument. Democrats are constantly proposing actual solutions while Republicans are just saying "no" without proposing any practical alternatives.

#73 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2014-07-19 02:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

I reject the "they're both the same" argument. Democrats are constantly proposing actual solutions while Republicans are just saying "no" without proposing any practical alternatives.

It is all opinion and we can disagree. From what I see, the Dems propose ideas they know the Repubs will reject so they can point the finger and say "we tried something." Party of No on one side and the Party of Making Them Say No on the other.

#74 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-19 02:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

It is impossible to say one party is trying when we have a Congress where both houses refuse to vote on bills passed by the other house because Reid or Boehner refuses to bring them up for a vote.

#75 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-19 02:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Public opinion polls show that the Dems proposals have majority support, sometimes even majorities of Republican voters agree, just not Republican elected officials. That's what lends credibility to the statement that average Republican voters are voting against their own best interests.

#76 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2014-07-19 02:38 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"From what I see, the Dems propose ideas they know the Repubs will reject so they can point the finger and say "we tried something."

And there is nothing wrong with proposing to raise the minimum wage or pass comprehensive immigration reform or to take away tax benefits for moving factories overseas and then pointing out to voters who voted against those things. With Republicans actually opposed to doing anything which will help our society or our economy while Obama is still President that is really about all they can do. Meanwhile Republicans are planning another government shutdown to try to, once again, take our economy hostage to their demands for cuts to social programs.
The "both sides are the same" argument is just plain crap.

#77 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-19 02:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

#75 | Posted by kanrei

That's not quite accurate. The Senate has passed bipartisan legislation on a number of issues that Boehner won't schedule for a vote in the House even when there is an actual bipartisan majority of House members in agreement. The bills that Reid won't schedule is because he knows they don't have the votes to pass. Senate legislation that is proposed by the Dems can't even get a vote because of Republican filibusters. It seems that it is the Republicans who are preventing voting much more than the Dems.

#78 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2014-07-19 02:48 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

IMHO not calling a vote is partisan hackery. If a bill can't pass the senate then call a vote and let it die.

#79 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-19 02:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The "both sides are the same" argument is just plain crap."

The Dems are better on social issues like gay marriage, prayer in schools, abortion, etc. They are trying to make illegal immigration a social issue but it's really an economic issue that threatens the American working class. They need to start representing workers and stop crying racism and xenophobia all the time.

#80 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-07-19 02:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

The general state of immigration is one thing, but this current crisis is a different thing. The Senate passed an immigration reform bill by a 68-32 vote (hint, that's bipartisan). The House won't even schedule a vote.

#81 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2014-07-19 03:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

" The Senate passed an immigration reform bill by a 68-32 vote (hint, that's bipartisan). "

Bipartisan corporatism. Did that bill do anything to reduce illegal immigration?

#82 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-07-19 03:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bipartisan corporatism. Did that bill do anything to reduce illegal immigration?

So you believe the US political process can reduce the amount of illegal immigration through domestic laws and legislation? Dream on.

The only thing that will reduce the amount of illegal immigration into the US is to create economic environments throughout this hemisphere that give their citizens the same socioeconomic opportunities our DOI promises us. And as you know and rail about constantly, our government is by and for the corporations, which more often than not is by and for the exploitation of anyone and everything they can control to increase their profits and power including our courts and politicians.

How are we to expect anything less than bipartisan corporatism until we remove the umbilical cord that feeds both the politicians and their corporate/plutocratic masters.

Now, back to reality. In today's Congress, just what legislation should be passed for bettering the situation from the state its currently in, not some utopian wish impossible within any society we currently have on this planet?

#83 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-07-19 03:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

If the U.S. was serious about reducing illegal immigration it would end the War on Drugs and stop dumping subsidized agricultural commodities on South America. Neither Dems or Rethugs are proposing either.

#84 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-07-19 04:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

What do you want to do, shoot them? Once they turn themselves in to the Border Patrol (which is what they are doing) they are in custody of the US Government.

#58 | Posted by WhoDaMan

Can't you even read? He said they should not get across the border to turn themselves in.

#85 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-07-19 04:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

The UN is close to declaring these children refugees (unless the US government bullies them out of it). How much harm can 50,000 children do to a country of 300,000,000 people?

#62 | Posted by WhoDaMan

So, let the UN take care of them.

50k ain't the end ace. It is not even a good start.

Tell me, how many do you want to adopt?

#86 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-07-19 04:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

#65 | Posted by WhoDaMan

who, I'm not going to call you what I think. There are MANY kids (under 19) that are bringing many bad things across our southern border. BP, not trained medics are putting them on planes and sendoing them all over the US. I hope your town gets 3 planes full of them this month.

#87 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-07-19 04:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Also, I reject the "they're both the same" argument. Democrats are constantly proposing actual solutions while Republicans are just saying "no" without proposing any practical alternatives.

#73 | Posted by WhoDaMan

CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#88 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-07-19 04:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

Open the gates and let them ALL in.

www.usillegalaliens.com

#89 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-07-19 04:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

#88 | Posted by Sniper

What practical solutions does the right have? 2000 mile fence? How many people does it take to patrol that? Who's going to pay for it (we're BROKE according to the right)? Deport 11 million people (that costs a lot of money too)? Are you ready to start putting employers in jail? I haven't heard any elected righties propose that either. So what's your solution?

#90 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2014-07-19 06:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

"...over the larger meaning of searing visuals of unaccompanied minors crossing into South Texas..."

Oh, I get it.
They are merely 'visuals' in the mind of Democrats.
They got demoted to demographics....photo ops...

#91 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-07-19 11:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Nothing new here. I find it interesting blah blah Barackus Maximus as boo hoo waawaawaaawaaa they have so much invested in him from the beginning that blpoita blam blam could blah blah blindly blah blah blah?

=#48 | POSTED BY JESTGETTINALONG AT 2014-07-19 11:10 AM | REPLY | FLAG:INGORMAUS MAXIPAD CUM LAUDE

I cannot believe you are that dense.

Just kidding I read your posts... I know you are. Take a minute and wring out your bib.. why don't you try backing up your dribble with some facts with specifics. Who exactly finds him weak and ineffectual and what to they base this on? Oh right.. you can't be specific because you have no facts.

If anyone looks weak it is the tea party and the pig brains that voted them into office. Obama has kicked ------------ ass all over the planet. You shut down the government everyone hates you more. You vote 53 times to repeal the ACA and come up with nothing. You tanked the economy. Obama is more effective that anything the clown party has offered in decades... maybe even a century. Everything the clowns touch turns to poo.

#92 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2014-07-19 11:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Border security = fascist police state.

1. end drug war.

2. send border patrol home.

problems solved.

#93 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-07-20 01:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

[A]ccording to DHS statistics, removals from the border region have actually gone up; it's removals from the interior that have gone down,

Most Americans don't "feel" deportations when they occur in the border regions. Americans will "feel" like the government is doing its job when newspapers start reporting "X factory was raided and Y -------- were captured and deported". Until these headlines start to appear with regularity, deportations at the border regions don't mean jack.

It is jobs that Americans care most about. Deportations at the border region represent a "potential" job saved for an American. Factory raids and removals from the interior represent an "actual" job saved for an American.

Obama is right to beef up deportations in the border regions. But if he really wants to get credit for having secured the border, he has to step up interior enforcement big time.

#94 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2014-07-20 06:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

But businesses don't want immigration enforced. They LIKE cheap labor. Republicans are NOT going to put business owners in jail. Unfortunately, neither are most Dems.

#95 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2014-07-20 07:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

#95

This problem can be solved by two easy methods. One, raising the minimum wage and indexing it to at least compensate for the rise of inflation, and then strengthen the enforcement by both accurately documenting that all employers follow the law, placing severe civil and criminal punishments for ANY instances of employee exploitation by the direct individuals involved and draconian fines for companies and corporations found shirking the laws.

There must also be whistleblower protections put in place so that employees aware of abuses can report them to the government agencies in charge of enforcing the laws. I do not see why both of these things wouldn't enjoy wide bipartisan support and would reveal those representatives truly not wanting to do anything to correct the problems in the first place.

#96 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-07-20 08:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

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