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Tuesday, July 15, 2014

If a country is a land of defined and defended borders, within which resides a people of a common ancestry, history, language, faith, culture and traditions, in what sense are we Americans one nation and one people today?

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Pure, unadulterated xenophobic crap. When the Germans immigrated they didn't know English. When the Italians immigrated they kept their traditions and language. When the Poles immigrated they did the same. There is simply no reason to believe that when Hispanics from Mexico and S. America immigrate to a nation they are really more heredity invested than any European descendant they will be any less American than any of the rest of us.

#1 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-15 08:44 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Pure, unadulterated xenophobic crap. When the Germans immigrated they didn't know English. When the Italians immigrated they kept their traditions and language. When the Poles immigrated they did the same. There is simply no reason to believe that when Hispanics from Mexico and S. America immigrate to a nation they are really more heredity invested than any European descendant they will be any less American than any of the rest of us.

Posted by danni at 2014-07-15 08:44 PM | Reply

When they ALL came to this country they didn't know all of the Native American languages here in America

#2 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-15 08:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

The xenophobic paranoia is strong with this one indeed, but I agree with them, just not on their racially based conclusions. The red and blue split, rather, has become so pronounced that I often feel I'm not even speaking the same language as conservatives. That's without going into fundie Bachmann territory, where little Dominionist terms keep creeping into conversation. (Maranatha, etc.) Borders are based on urban or country population, usually one inside the other, and scattered like that across the nation. Some days, the I interspersion probably being the only thing preventing our Bundy militia nuts from attempting outright civil war.

Interesting and scary times.

#3 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-07-15 08:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Some days, the I interspersion probably being the only thing preventing our Bundy militia nuts from attempting outright civil war. "

Our military today would take care of them within a few days. There is no popular support for civil war, these folks are just nuts not a real populist movement. It is not 1863 though some of these idiots might think it is.

#4 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-15 09:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

We ceased being a 'melting pot' decades ago [insert a tower of Babylon analogy here], much to the detriment of the nation.

#5 | Posted by MSgt at 2014-07-16 01:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

We ceased being a 'melting pot' decades ago

About 21 decades ago, thanks to racial slavery.

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-16 01:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Pure, unadulterated xenophobic crap."

#7 | Posted by ichiro at 2014-07-16 03:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Pure, unadulterated xenophobic crap."

#8 | Posted by ichiro at 2014-07-16 03:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

There is simply no reason to believe that when Hispanics from Mexico and S. America immigrate to a nation they are really more heredity invested than any European descendant they will be any less American than any of the rest of us.

What part of ILLEGAL - NOT AMERICAN do you not understand?

#9 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2014-07-16 04:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

We were not a nation of immigrants in 1789.

That's weird. I seem to recall a bunch of English immigrants coming here who insisted on using their own language instead of assimilating with the natives.

#10 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-16 07:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

#10 I seem to recall that the natives had no centralized government and no laws restricting immigration.

#11 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-07-16 07:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

I seem to recall that the natives had no centralized government and no laws restricting immigration.

The U.S. didn't either, for most of its history. We needed a steady stream of immigrants to build a prosperous and powerful multi-cultural nation.

We still need immigrants today, given demographic trends and the problems that befall a nation with zero population growth.

Pat Buchanan probably likes all that Irish immigration. They were demonized when they came here too.

#12 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-16 08:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

So the colonists were undocumented immigrants. The borders were not protected. Now you want to change that.
What is different about this group of immigrants?

#13 | Posted by bored at 2014-07-16 08:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

#13 They're illegal.

#12 No centralized government for most of its history? I'll let that one slide as a typo.

The difference between today and the periods of great migration is that we are now a welfare state.

Milton Friedman was spot on when he addressed immigration in the welfare state:

Immigration is a particularly difficult subject. There is no doubt that free and open immigration is the right policy in a libertarian state, but in a welfare state it is a different story: the supply of immigrants will become infinite.

In the above quote, he is actually referring to LEGAL immigration, whereby legal immigrants have access to social programs and therefore become a burden on the budget. He further addressed ILLEGAL immigration:

Look, for example, at the obvious, immediate, practical example of illegal Mexican immigration. Now, that Mexican immigration, over the border, is a good thing. It's a good thing for the illegal immigrants. It's a good thing for the United States. It's a good thing for the citizens of the country. But, it's only good so long as it's illegal.

You see, as soon as we legitimize the immigrants that have crossed the border illegally, they become eligible for social benefits. If they remain illegal, they don't. What Friedman failed to count in his comment was the "anchor baby", of course.

#14 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-07-16 09:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

No centralized government for most of its history? I'll let that one slide as a typo.

I was referring to the U.S. having no laws restricting immigration for most of its history.

#15 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-16 09:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

That's why I let it slide. The flip side of that coin is that the United States has not been a welfare state for most of its history.

#16 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-07-16 09:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

I honestly should not have to be bilingual to get a job in America just to appease the illegal immigrants. Was it required of Americans in the past to learn German? No, they were expected to assimilate. Illegal immigrants today are coddled and that is why we have so many coming, we cater to them, even when it harms our legal citizens/immigrants.

#17 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2014-07-16 12:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

That's why I let it slide. The flip side of that coin is that the United States has not been a welfare state for most of its history.
#16 | Posted by MUSTANG

Holler back when you figure out wishing for a time machine isn't a viable political outlook.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-16 03:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The flip side of that coin is that the United States has not been a welfare state for most of its history."

No nation helped their people the way modern nations do today. There was only a tiny middle class worldwide until the 20th Century. The world is a much better place today.

#19 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-16 04:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Where is our E Pluribus Unum when you need him.

This should be his big moment.

That would be like me not posting on a thread where a bunch of lost hikers ate each other.

#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-07-17 12:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

America: No longer 1 nation, 1 people

This is what they day before genocides. He should go to jail for this.

#21 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-07-17 12:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Were we ever?

#22 | Posted by fresno500 at 2014-07-17 02:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

That's why I let it slide. The flip side of that coin is that the United States has not been a welfare state for most of its history.
#16 | Posted by MUSTANG

Holler back when you figure out wishing for a time machine isn't a viable political outlook.

#18 | Posted by snoofy

It is interesting that conservatives long for those "simpler" times. They want things to be the way they used to be.

They want to go back to times when undocumented immigrants were not breaking any law?

All the way back to 1965?

Conservatives are not really interested in going back...unless they can go back to the time when abusing the civil rights and labor of immigrants was condoned.

#23 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-07-17 03:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

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