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A new Public Policy Polling survey found that 37 percent of Republicans who voted in the Mississippi primary runoff election between incumbent Sen. Thad Cochran (R-MS) and state Sen. Chris McDaniel (R) said they would back the Confederate side if there was another Civil War. Broken down by party affiliation, 82 percent of Democrats said they would support the United States while just 9 percent said they would support the Confederate States of America. Among Republicans, 37 percent said they would support the Confederate States of America while 41 percent said they would support the United States. Another 21 percent of Republicans said they weren't sure while 9 percent of Democrats said they weren't sure. The margin of error was plus or minus 3.7 percentage points.

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Among Republicans, 37 percent said they would support the Confederate States of America while 41 percent said they would support the United States.

All those surveyed said they voted in the Republican primary runoff for U.S. Senate.


FOUR percentage points of difference? Maybe the reason so many see some Republicans as racist might be because they continue to give most rational people evidence that they probably are. Especially when they're so prone to self identification.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-07-15 08:09 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

There are so many important issues going on right now why is this dribble a headline

#2 | Posted by blake914 at 2014-07-15 08:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

There are so many important issues going on right now why is this dribble a headline

Why are you commenting if you think it's drivel? Perhaps it disses your state, or just your state of mind?

#3 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-07-15 08:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

I wonder how many would condemn the Emancipation Proclamation as an overreach by Lincoln? How many would want to impeach him for it?

#4 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-15 08:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's odd that they don't link to the actual poll. Probably because 65% of the Democrats would back the Confederacy.

#5 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2014-07-15 09:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Broken down by party affiliation, 82 percent of Democrats said they would support the United States while just 9 percent said they would support the Confederate States of America. Among Republicans, 37 percent said they would support the Confederate States of America while 41 percent said they would support the United States. Another 21 percent of Republicans said they weren't sure while 9 percent of Democrats said they weren't sure."

#6 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-15 10:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

#5 | POSTED BY MYSTERYTOY

It is kind of weird. But here it is (at least it's the only one I could find on the PPP website that mentioned the civil war):
www.publicpolicypolling.com

Q10 If there were another Civil War today, would
you side with the Confederate States of
America or the United States of America?
The Confederate States 29%
The United States 50%
Not sure 21%

Also, 66% of those polled identified as Republican and 15% Dem and 18% other.

Not sure where they get 37% tho it's possible that I could be looking at a different poll. The only other poll by PPP I could find was this one from 2011, and even in that one the results were low. 34% for the north, 27% south
http://
www.publicpolicypolling.com/
main/civil-war/

#7 | Posted by Lohocla at 2014-07-15 10:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

"at least it's the only one I could find on the PPP" should be
"at least it's the only new one I could find on the PPP "

#8 | Posted by Lohocla at 2014-07-15 10:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

No, you're looking at the right poll but those totals include ALL voters. The 37% number comes from poll results filtered for only those self-identified Republicans who voted in the MS GOP Senate run-off.

The point is that these are generally the most partisan members of the party, or the proverbial "base," and of that base, only a 4% plurality favors the US over the Confederacy if there were another Civil War.

#9 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-07-15 10:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

#9 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Ahh, ok. I see it now. I should have searched just "civil" instead of "civil war" on the pdf. Assumed that the search would still catch it even if it was word wrapped in the cell.

#10 | Posted by Lohocla at 2014-07-15 11:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ah, another semi-amusing poll, how droll.

#11 | Posted by MSgt at 2014-07-16 01:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

For every $100 of median wealth owned by white households in 1984, black households owned $9. In 2011 they were down to $7.

Hispanic workers, who in 1979 made 81 cents for every dollar made by white workers, are now down to 69 cents. After the recession they lost two-thirds of their household wealth because of plummeting home prices and foreclosures.

Unfathomable wealth has been created since the recession, about $25 trillion, a full third of the total wealth in our country today. The overwhelmingly white richest 10% took almost all of it.

The conservative solution for poverty is "get a job." But stunningly, over half of the black college graduates of recent years were underemployed in 2013, working in occupations that typically do not require a four-year college degree. Along with their sub-living-wage jobs, they have an average of almost $30,000 in student loan debt.

It seems it couldn't get worse for them. But it does. A 2003 study found that white job applicants with criminal records received more favorable treatment than blacks without criminal records.

Today the degradation of minority human beings is subtle and civilized, with life-altering or deadly effects that can't be traced to a lynch mob. The infant mortality rate for African-Americans is double the national average in a country that is already near the bottom of the world's industrialized countries.

Nearly a million prisoners work in factories and call centers for as little as 17 cents an hour. The explosion of the prison population for drug offenses, with blacks and Hispanics the main targets even though they use drugs at about the same -- or lesser -- rate as white Americans. (Paul Buchheit)

The demolition of our economy is deliberate, not an accident. Yet the ------ Five on SCOTUS have turned a blind eye to a l these facts. There are two types of Rethugs, delusional and liars. Our highest Court is packed with both.

#12 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-16 08:41 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

If you wanted to know if these same folks wanted slavery back, why didn't they just ask them that?

That's the point of it anyway, right?

We argue about the Civil war here and why we fought it.

Perhaps there many confused and ignorant people in Mississippi on the civil war too?

#13 | Posted by eberly at 2014-07-16 08:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

My impression is that the Confederates' view on the role of the federal government was truer to the Constitution than was the north's, and much truer to it than the government we currently have.

The problem is that by sticking to the original Constitution, the South also accepted (perhaps without much resistance) American-style black slavery, which most people would just as morally indefensible. Allowing slavery was a flaw in the Constitution.

IMHO, the solution is to (a) admit that our Constitution has this flaw, (b) replace it with a similar constitution that doesn't allow slavery, and (c) make the new constitution clear about the rules for its interpretation, including the aspects in which it is or isn't meant to be read as a "living document".

#14 | Posted by DoofusOfDeath at 2014-07-16 08:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

I am not surprised at all by this

#15 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2014-07-16 09:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

#15

I know little about Mississippi so I was surprised at the high number.

#16 | Posted by eberly at 2014-07-16 09:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

Who the hell is the Public Policy Polling? I know of most of most of the major poll takers, and I have never heard of these guys. How large was their sample, where were the samples taken? This sounds far too deep in the template that outsiders have about the south. This makes me a little suspicious, to say the least.

#17 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-07-16 09:10 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

The sad part is that the majority of that 37% would be just like the majority back during the days of slavery....poor, white, ignorant, stupid, victims in a war to defend a practice that kept the slaves as property while their own incomes were undermined by the very practice of slavery which they fought for and died defending.

#18 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-16 09:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

#18 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2014-07-16 09:12 AM | FLAG:

This is a story about a poll. Why are you turning into a description of the current democrat party?

#19 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-07-16 09:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

I remember a probable error of 3.5% is usually in a sample of between 50 to 100, at least in statistics. It takes a sample of 1000 to get that down to 2%. Don't believe every poll you read, those that do, probily believe think that NPR, MSNBC or Fox News have an ounce of journalistic integrity in the commentary line up in the evening. I am fairly impressed with Fox and NPR for their straight news though. Commentary is opinion, and the days of the wise voice making since of complicated issues is long gone. Everything is now black or white, which is fantasy land.

#20 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-07-16 09:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

Who the hell is the Public Policy Polling? I know of most of most of the major poll takers, and I have never heard of these guys.

You obviously don't know as much as you thought, or you would have known this:

A study conducted overnight found liberal-leaning pollster Public Policy Polling was the most accurate predictor of the 2012 presidential election.

The analysis by Costas Panagopoulos, Associate Professor of Political Science at Fordham University, also found that none of the 28 major polling outlets he analyzed showed bias toward either candidate in the national polls.

The bottom five national surveys were conducted by Rasmussen, Gallup, National Public Radio, National Journal and Associated Press-GfK. All projected either one- or two-point victories for Romney nationally.

thehill.com

#21 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-07-16 09:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

MSNBC has been telling us for days how democrats voted for the incumbent in this state?

#22 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-07-16 10:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

"MSNBC has been telling us for days how democrats voted for the incumbent in this state?"

Do you understand the difference between the primary election and the actual election and why Democrats voted for that incumbent? If not, say so and I'll take the time to explain it to you but if you actually do understand quit pretending you don't.

#23 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-16 10:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

This is a dumb question to poll people on. What does it even mean to say you'd fight for the Confederacy if there was war today? It's absurd to think that means you'd be fighting for the right to own slaves, because that's quite obviously illegal today and universally accepted as wrong.

A lot of people who said yes probably just thought it meant they would back the south over the rest of the country in any fight.

#24 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-16 10:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

#24

exactly. If they wanted to know if they supported the right to own slaves, they should have just asked that.

This appears to be a way to suggest that 37% of republicans in Mississippi support slavery.....without actually asking any of them.

#25 | Posted by eberly at 2014-07-16 10:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

If they wanted to know if they supported the right to own slaves, they should have just asked that.
This appears to be a way to suggest that 37% of republicans in Mississippi support slavery.....without actually asking any of them.
#25 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Bingo!

#26 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-16 10:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

A lot of people who said yes probably just thought it meant they would back the south over the rest of the country in any fight.

#24 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-16 10:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

Yeah, I was actually more surprised by the 41% who said they'd side with the Union for the reason you stated.

#27 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-16 10:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

why Democrats voted for that incumbent in the GOP primary

#23 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2014-07-16 10:04 AM | REPLY | FLAG

Because their masa told them too. End of story. End of republic.

#28 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-07-16 11:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

It's odd that they don't link to the actual poll. Probably because 65% of the Democrats would back the Confederacy.

#5 | POSTED BY MYSTERYTOY

This comment and stat was pulled right out of your old ------, Mystery.

#29 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2014-07-16 12:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

As an American patriot, I would favor allowing succession, and encourage the states south of the Mason Dixon Line et.al. to withdraw from the Union and form their own Nation based upon valid elections in each state.

Of course, I would close every US military Base in the New Confederacy, and move all US military personnel and US military equipment, planes, vehicles, and technology to the United States.

I would permit any military personnel who wish to join the Defense Department of The New Confederacy to do so.

The separation of the Confederacy from the USA would benefit both countries.

We could live side by side as the USA and Canada do; as friends and neighbors.

#30 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2014-07-16 12:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's secession moron.

#31 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-07-16 01:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

#24 | Posted by rcade
#25 | Posted by eberly

It would have been nice to have some follow-up information.

#32 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-07-16 01:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Spelling nazis appear when they have not the intellectual capability to discuss the substance of the discussion at hand.

Dalton is but the most recent example.

This is an idea based site.

If all you are seeking is proper letter sequence, I would recommend you sit down with a nice cup of tea and copy of Webster's and enjoy the ride.

If you wish to discuss ideas, Get off your high horse and dazzle us.

#33 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2014-07-16 01:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Look OWS. If you are going to propose a stupid idea don't prove it's stupid by using the wrong words.

#34 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-07-16 01:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Dalton doubles down on "got nuthin".

No one is surprised.

#35 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2014-07-16 01:25 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

If all you are seeking is proper letter sequence, I would recommend you sit down with a nice cup of tea and copy of Webster's and enjoy the ride.

Or watch this:

#36 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-07-16 01:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Look OWS. If you are going to propose a stupid idea don't prove it's stupid by using the wrong words"...Dalton

Proper punctuation and sentence structure would be: "Look, OWS, if you are going to propose a stupid idea, don't prove it's stupid by using the wrong words"

I would not call you a moron, based upon your grammar errors, Dalton.

It would be based upon the substance of the ideas behind your statement.

#37 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2014-07-16 01:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

This appears to be a way to suggest that 37% of republicans in Mississippi support slavery.....without actually asking any of them.

#25 | Posted by eberly

Seems someone is picking up on the Fox News methods and practices of disinformation warfare.

#38 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-07-16 01:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

in response to the article/headline...

"Nah, no racism there!"

the G.O.P. should change
their name to D.E.N.I.A.L.

#39 | Posted by earthmuse at 2014-07-16 02:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

This should come as no surprise. 35% of Rs in Mississippi think the Confederacy won the Civil War.

#40 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2014-07-16 03:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Seems someone is picking up on the Fox News methods and practices of disinformation warfare."

I was already aware of this method being used everywhere.

#42 | Posted by eberly at 2014-07-16 03:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh my word, now the far left democrat liberal here has to resort to hypothetical made up crap to defame the opposition party. This place is getting really sad.

#43 | Posted by moneywar at 2014-07-16 04:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

If all you are seeking is proper letter sequence,

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#44 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-07-16 08:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't believe this poll is a way of gauging modern day support for slavery. Rather, it puts a finger on the pulse of white southern resentment toward the federal government. The Feds are the ones who enforced integration by ending Jim Crow. They set forth the Voting Rights Act, enforced Affirmative Action, etc. Many interventions by the federal government have been perceived by a significant portion of southern whites as intrusive, and they view the Feds as siding with minorities over whites.

When no minorities are around, the way southern whites speak freely in my company about their disgust for the federal government would make one believe whites were the ones who were oppressed since the founding of this country.

#45 | Posted by DCTexan at 2014-07-16 11:51 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Truth is. the South still strongly resents the Northern States for being wealthier, better educated, more sophisticated, and mostly, for being Yankees.

#46 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2014-07-17 11:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

So much better educated that they call it "succession". What an idiot. Go on old bright one. Edumacate us on succession.

#47 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-07-17 12:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Seems someone is picking up on the Fox News methods and practices of disinformation warfare."

I was already aware of this method being used everywhere.

#42 | Posted by eberly

Since you are aware...I am guessing you are not from Mississippi then.

#48 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-07-17 03:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I would not call you a moron, based upon your grammar errors, Dalton."

You don't have to have grammar errors to be called a moron by Dalton.

But, it sure helps.

#49 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-07-17 03:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

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