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Tuesday, July 15, 2014

Matthew Yglesias: There's something very oldsterish about contemporary conservative politics. The constant bickering about Ronald Reagan is very odd to anyone too young to have any particular recollection of the Reagan years. Calling a group of people "Beyonce Voters" as an insult is weird. Some of this oldsterism is just ticks, but some of it has policy implications. ... There have always been cranky old people asserting that things were better when they were kids and whatever is happening now is terrible (my late grandmother once told me things were better in the 1930s "because at least we had hope") and presumably there always will be cranky old people. But a confluence of circumstances has created a situation in which conservative politics has gotten bound up with crankly oldersterism in a somewhat weird way.

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The GOP have sadly become Geriatric Outdated Petrification s. Which is sad considering we need to move this country forward.

#1 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-15 06:53 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Which is sad considering we need to move this country forward.

#1 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-15 06:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Forward to where? Certainly YOUR party and president is moving us forward into a non-country with the immigration situation today. Is that "moving forward" enough?

Why is it always the stance of the "progressives" that any change is always considered forward movement? It seems they can't conceive that sometimes the right action is NO action. Or taking a step back, re-evaluate and not move "forward" for moving on's sake.

#2 | Posted by e_pluribus_unum at 2014-07-15 07:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

I have noticed that many 20 somethings, antecdotally, are against big-government in general, and intrusion into personal liberties. It puts them at odds with both parties. But in a way takes the best of both, fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Unfortunately for the GOP it is stacked with fascist, christian zealots. I have some hope that a libertarian party might come to power.

Which is sad considering we need to move this country forward.

forward to where? Both parties seem to do these empty, meaningless slogans.

#3 | Posted by danv at 2014-07-15 07:11 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

LMohr,

Don't you mean putrification?

#4 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-15 07:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

This author's observation certainly holds true in this looney bin called the DR.

#5 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2014-07-15 07:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Forward to where? Certainly YOUR party and president is moving us forward into a non-country with the immigration situation today. Is that "moving forward" enough?

Why is it always the stance of the "progressives" that any change is always considered forward movement? It seems they can't conceive that sometimes the right action is NO action. Or taking a step back, re-evaluate and not move "forward" for moving on's sake.

#2 | Posted by e_pluribus_unum at 2014-07-15 07:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

The same thing happened during Reagan's time (You know the Right Wingers God) and he granted amnesty. Oh and the Religious helped out these undocumented folks many of them Conservatives. Now the GOP are castigating Obama for these Refugees. Why is it the stance of progressives look ahead by default. Conservatives want to hold onto the old traditions which isn't wrong on a personal level but does NOTHING to advance the issues of this country. Conservatives are like an anchor on a boat.

#6 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-15 07:41 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Don't you mean putrification?

#4 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-15 07:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

That works too

#7 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-15 07:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

We can come up with all sorts of funny names for it, but the reality of the diminishing GOP demographic is not a laughing matter. If at the National level the GOP really ever does become obsolete then we better hope a viable third Party rears it's head.

#8 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-07-15 08:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

- Cranky Oldster Party

Nulli is a Republican?

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-15 08:13 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Conservatives want to hold onto the old traditions which isn't wrong on a personal level but does NOTHING to advance the issues of this country. Conservatives are like an anchor on a boat.

#6 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-15 07:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

Every boat needs an anchor, do they not. Advancing the "issues" of the country, and I am not completely sure what you mean, is not always a good thing.

National level the GOP really ever does become obsolete then we better hope a viable third Party rears it's head.

Libertarian baby!

#10 | Posted by danv at 2014-07-15 08:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oldsterism, an excellent word, is descriptive of many of our soon to and the recently retired. They came from wonderful childhoods with great schools and even free college in some states, financed by the high taxes their parents paid without whining. They had great careers, earned boat loads of money which was great after Ronald Reagan slashed income taxes. Now their kids or grandkids pursue education with the thread of huge debt facing them which can't be discharged in bankruptcy, thanks George Bush. Meanwhile the boomers want to keep all of their goodies, their savings accrued because of low taxes, their SS paid for now by their kids, their homes purchased with low interest mortgages which were only possible because of government agencies which guaranteed those debts. And now, living in their comfortable retirement home, with nice pensions and SS flowing in they want to pull the rug on their own kids and grandkids. Hell, they don't even want to consider global warming to be a real problem requiring action because, what the hell, they'll be dead before it comes to a real head...but their kids won't be and certainly their grandkids won't be.
If you identify in this selfish cult of Oldsterism you are the problem, the best thing you could do for your kids and grandkids is to....well you figure it out.

#11 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-15 08:28 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

Every boat needs an anchor, do they not. Advancing the "issues" of the country, and I am not completely sure what you mean, is not always a good thing.

National level the GOP really ever does become obsolete then we better hope a viable third Party rears it's head.

Libertarian baby!

#10 | Posted by danv at 2014-07-15 08:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes any boat needs an anchor but the ship of state needs to move forward as well or else it takes on water and sinks because time waits for no man. When Republicans wouldn't work with Obama their part of the ship started sinking and we all suffer because of it.

#12 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-15 08:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

Libertarian baby!

Another term for Corporationist. At least the Oldsters are open and proud of their obedience to their corporate masters.

#13 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-07-15 09:47 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

So many of the "Libertarians" of today are like their idol Ayn Rand. Social Security for them but let's reduce or eliminate it for younger folks. Any Libertarian, over 66, who wants to tell me he/she will give up their SS pension (providing they aren't already rich) would surprise me. I f they won't give it up can they be real Libertarians? If those folks, (there are many of them) aren't LIbertarians then what are they really? I suggest "selfish --------."

#14 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-15 09:58 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

There's a mild hope Nulli that to the coming generation of millenials, libertarianism does not mean what it means to the older steeped-in-Randism cohorts. Many of them believe in government safety nets - but also abhor some of the ways it intrudes into private lives. They also understand tech better by far than our current crop of politicians.

#15 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-07-15 11:25 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

If you identify in this selfish cult of Oldsterism you are the problem, the best thing you could do for your kids and grandkids is to....well you figure it out.

Posted by danni

AND...some self-appointed experts should go to Key West and keep walking south and ...well you figure it out.

#16 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2014-07-15 11:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

#12 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-15 08:33 PM | Reply | Flag

Maybe its Obama who wont work the republicans, clinton did.

#14 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-15 09:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

You argument is a logical fallacy, know as straw man, no one is saying to do away with SS. IF you are so generous, cloth, feed, and house poor people out of your pocketbook. Starting a government program, of which you have no responsibility for is not caring it is passing the buck.

#17 | Posted by danv at 2014-07-16 12:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

#16,

"But a confluence of circumstances has created a situation in which conservative politics has gotten bound up with crankly oldersterism in a somewhat weird way."

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-16 12:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

no one is saying to do away with SS

Lots of people are saying that. Our last President made it a policy goal until public outcry shut him down.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-16 12:41 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

On a side note... most of the comments on this page sound like 'cranky oldsters'... im glad youre all here to tell the world about the hip new politics. I guess hil-dawg is the kind of young blood to get excited for when you possess the mental fortitude of a door mat.

#20 | Posted by monkeylogic42 at 2014-07-16 03:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

So many of the "Libertarians" of today are like their idol Ayn Rand.

#14 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2014-07-15 09:58 PM | REPLY | FLAG

You know there are many Libertarians who view Ayn Rand as a nutty cult leader right...?

never mind, obviously you don't.

#21 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-07-16 08:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

You want to fix immigration, fine the hell out of the people exploiting the cheap labor.

Surprise, surprise, these corporations love the system the way it is.
They get slave labor from people who dare not complain lest they get deported.

#22 | Posted by drewl at 2014-07-16 11:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

Lots of people are saying that. Our last President made it a policy goal until public outcry shut him down.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-16 12:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

WRONG, WRONG WRONG again. The best policy Bush had was to try and privatize social security, that the money taken out of your paycheck should remain in oyur name, not borrowed by an overspending congress. (i.e. a version al gores lockbox)

It was fools like you that started a fear mongering campaign. God forbid someone be allowed to decided how to invest their own money, with a gaurantee that you would at least receive a minimum based on the current SS model.

But hey don't let facts stop from disseminating lies snoofy.

#23 | Posted by danv at 2014-07-16 01:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Mhhmmm. Tell me more about how wonderful SS would have looked after the most recent economic collapse.

#24 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-07-16 08:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

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