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Thursday, July 17, 2014

The celebrating began before the coroner could collect the bodies of Alyn Beck and Igor Soldo, the Las Vegas patrol officers ambushed and executed while eating at a pizzeria last month. "The good news is, there are two less police in the world," read an entry on the Facebook page for CopBlock.org. The post was visible for less than a day, but it attracted at least 6,300 likes and comments by the time the page's administrators removed it. Jerad Miller -- who along with his wife, Amanda, gunned down the Vegas police officers before dying during a shootout with police -- was one of Cop Block's 780,000-plus Facebook fans.

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The decentralized advocacy group says it disavows violence while spreading a belief that "badges don't grant extra rights."

But the Millers, described by investigators as anti-government extremists, had a deadly animosity for authority.

"Bout time to start killing cops, eh?" Miller, 31, wrote in May when he shared a viral video of police brutality on Facebook. "Maybe if we can kill all these despotic goons they will turn on their masters and once again be public servants and we can end this madness."

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What happened is that Cops decided that their lives were worth more than those they are paid to protect.

Any Cop or Firefighter who is scared to die in the line of duty ought to become a beautician
-Frank Rizzo

#1 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2014-07-14 12:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

What happened?

Cops devolved from not giving each other speeding tickets to protecting each other under all circumstances including cases of physical abuse against members of the public.

Then their higher ups dropped their standards too and started backing even the most blatant misconduct.

Then they started enacting increasingly aggressive tactics such as home invasions while in this environment of no accountability.

Then they started dressing like death squads and treating the public with increasingly condescending belligerence.

Then they started driving around in black cars that can't be easily identified because they openly view the public as the enemy rather than the people they protect and serve.

Then they started using violence in cases of noncompliance and started pretending everyone is trying to kill them at all times.

Then they started matter of factly shooting dogs with no accountability.

Then they started shooting people whose homes they invaded in error with no accountability.

Etc, etc.

I would never say "good riddance" over hearing a story of individual officers being killed. But everyone living in the US should understand that cops are increasingly viewed as the enemy because they decided first that we are their enemy.

#2 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-14 01:02 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 4

You can close this thread now. Sully hit it perfectly.

#3 | Posted by Sezu at 2014-07-14 01:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

www.local10.com

Unreal.

#4 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2014-07-14 01:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

But everyone living in the US should understand that cops are increasingly viewed as the enemy because they decided first that we are their enemy.
#2 | POSTED BY SULLY

This is silly talk by Sully.

I deal with police on a regular basis on our cycling races, and when my shop was broken into, or someone running around in my backyard. I have never come across one that was overly aggressive, even when capturing the perpetrator. What I do understand is that they are constantly on the front line of dealing with "difficult" people. People that feel entitled to carry a weapon in public, or you name the sense of entitlement. It does make them jaded.

While some of Sully's point is valid, they do protect their own. But all the other points Sully makes happen very infrequently and aren't always true in such simple wording, typically like most things its a complicated situation.

But it wouldn't surprise me that Liberals, and ultra RW conservatives, to be opposed to those that are keeping the peace.

#5 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-14 02:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

I have known several cops over the years. For the most part they were decent folks but the cops protecting cops does tend to bring out the worst in them. Nice guys who won't report a fellow officer, who is constantly over the line, stop being nice guys.

There were only so many stories of other cops crossing the line they could tell me before I ruined friendships by asking why they didn't report it.

#6 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2014-07-14 02:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

"This is silly talk by Sully."

No, actually he is correct. The fact that you deal with friendly cops at cycling races is irrelevant. I wouldn't expect the SWAT team to show up there. Maybe you could respond to his list of points.

#7 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-07-14 02:30 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

...you name the sense of entitlement. It does make them jaded.

#5 | Posted by AndreaMackris

That's it right there. An average citizen is entitled, and a cop shouldn't get jaded by constantly having to defer to a citizen and their rights.
That is a cop's job.
If they can't handle being a servant, which by definition means being subservient, they should get another job.

#8 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2014-07-14 03:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

"While some of Sully's point is valid, they do protect their own. But all the other points Sully makes happen very infrequently and aren't always true in such simple wording, typically like most things its a complicated situation."

The shooting of dogs and harming of innocent people isn't frequent but its more frequent than it used to be. And almost without fail, the first reaction of the higher ups is always to defend the perp. It happens enough that people are tired of hearing about it.

The rest of what I said is generally true from what I've observed. I didn't even go into the trampling of civil liberties. If you don't have a camera on them and refuse to cooperate when they overstep their bounds (like demanding to know where you were and where you are headed during a traffic stop) then they get vindictive.

And #8 is completely correct. Its their job to deal with pain the neck people. If they can't do that without developing a contempt for the public in general then they are mentally unfit for the job.

#9 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-14 03:46 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

But it wouldn't surprise me that Liberals, and ultra RW conservatives, to be opposed to those that are keeping the peace.

#5 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS AT 2014-07-14 02:07 PM | FLAG:

Your goofy notions of what liberals want is laughable at best.

The very far left and very far right would like nothing more than anarchy, but those numbers are very few. Your broad brush of all liberals as being in that camp is nothing more than crap.

#10 | Posted by 726 at 2014-07-14 04:01 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

American opposition to anyone in authority is growing, on both sides of the political fence.

#11 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2014-07-15 10:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

Nailed it perfectly Sully. And sorry, AM. There are indeed plenty cops who are good and nice people on their own, but their inability to investigate other cops and their covering for them make every last one of them party to the other's crimes and guilty at the very least of obstruction and dereliction.

A!so, you're falling into a typical right wing stereotype. Right wingers that don't care about justice, as long as everything is comfortably ordered and authoritarian. Liberals generally don't have a problem with rule of law. We like justice and dislike a large group being unaccountable and believing they're above said laws though.

#12 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-07-15 10:06 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

The Terry Stop is what happened to Officer Friendly.
His job description changed to Officer All Up In Yo' Bizness.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-15 03:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Terry Stop is what happened to Officer Friendly.
His job description changed to Officer All Up In Yo' Bizness.

Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-15 03:30 PM | Reply

I SO ABHOR those 4th Amendment violating checkpoints. That's a lot of why people hate Law Enforcement.

#14 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-15 03:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

Do we? I don't condone the death of cops. But they are waging a war, an actual war, with kicked in doors, lobbed grenades, "collateral damage" as overzealous gunfire sometimes takes out neighbors and children. Not to mention the near-standard SOP of killing so much as an excitedly barking yorkie trying to lick them for fear of their lives. And all that often against nonviolent drug offenders.

I raise the direct argument that it is NOT the fault of bloggers for any increase in violence against cops, but rather the militarized, unjust, and oppositional police themselves. Furthermore, the lack of accountability police face for their miscarriages of justice reduce respect for them specifically, and the entire system as a whole generally. They need to start being held directly responsible for their mistakes. Not the taxpayer. They need to be held to a higher standard than those they supposedly "serve," not lower with more excuses. Convicted cops should face double the sentence of ordinary citizens. Police need to be out in the community, not faceless paramilitary soldiers And the drug war must end.

Until those things happen, blogger awareness is not what is at fault. The police themselves, their behaviors and their policies causing this sometimes violent blowback are directly responsible.

Final statement. I again DO NOT condone violence against police. I don't believe it will result in anything good, only more militarization and a closer creep to a police state. Plus more senseless loss of life. But I also hold that it's not shocking with their current state, and not the fault of bloggers either. The criminal justice system has to change.

#15 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-07-17 05:33 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 6

en.wikipedia.org

Crackdown

On December 29, 2012, Naomi Wolf of The Guardian newspaper provided U.S. government documents which revealed that the FBI and DHS had monitored Occupy Wall Street through its Joint Terrorism Task Force, despite labelling it a peaceful movement. The crackdown on protestors was coordinated with the big banks on Wall Street.[203] The FBI used counterterrorism agents to investigate the movement.[204]

I rest my case.

#16 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-07-17 06:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't have much sympathy for cops in the age of the drug war.

They VOLUNTEERED to be the foot soldiers in the drug war, which is an unjust war against innocent peaceful americans in many cases. Sure they do some good things, but they also do bad things as part of the job requirement.

If part of my job including harming peaceful innocent people, it wouldn't matter to me what the other parts of the job were, I'd still quit. These cops don't quit. They take the paycheck to harass and jail their fellow citizens.

End the drug war and cops will stop being so reviled.

Actually, they'd still bust wall street protesters so nevermind...

#17 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-07-17 06:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Zero,

You have individual instances of "taking out neighbors, children", killing dogs.

You have mentioned none of the good things that they do day in and day out, the times they don't kill out of fear for lives. This is known as negative bias.

I submit it is our culture of disrespect that is killing more and more policemen. Their militarization is in response to the cultures militant actions.

If you follow up most of your examples, the Police are held responsible for their actions.

"They need to be held to a higher standard than those they supposedly "serve," not lower with more excuses"

Why? Do you hold Obama to a higher standard, say the drones?? Do you hold other parts of the government to a higher standard?? I doubt it.

"Police need to be out in the community, not faceless paramilitary soldiers And the drug war must end. "

They are out there in the community, I see 10-20 every weekend on my races. Tuesday nites they come out to make sure we aren't breaking the law. We are cordial with them, its their job. They aren't militarized in any form, they talk to us, but don't get friendly (conflict of interest). Go to the Mall they are there too.

Final statement, some crazies post about killing cops and its the whole culture?? Some crazy cop shoots a dog for no reason and the whole of the Police is thrown under the bus.

Get a grip...

I submit it is you who should go out and interact with the police. They are out there... doing their job.

#18 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-17 07:07 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

they're praised here as well.

#19 | Posted by soheifox at 2014-07-17 07:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I don't have much sympathy for cops in the age of the drug war."

After all someone honestly trying to keep crack dealers away from their own neighborhood isn't doing anything of value.

#20 | Posted by Tor at 2014-07-17 07:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

You have mentioned none of the good things that they do day in and day out, the times they don't kill out of fear for lives.

All you have to do is Google if you can't directly remember as I can, that every example I used was from an actual story. At this point, the abuses of police power provide more than enough examples to go all day. You know it. I know it. I will concede there would be far more incidents if it were all cops. Thankfully, it's not. But as with surgeons, they deal with life and death circumstances, and need to be held accountable when they mess those up. It's. Just. Plain. A. Job. With. More. Responsibility. And. No. Room. For. Error. They can accept the reality of that or find new jobs. And those are for the legitimate mistakes. Police brutality, other cases of knowingly and intentionally crossing the line - such as that person who was subjected to multiple rectal exams and enemas for imaginary drugs - those to anyone but cops are assault, battery, murder, sexual harassment and/or assault. Even worse, done under guise of state sanction for their badge and uniform.

Which leads to another point. When police commit these crimes (that no, are in fact NOT prosecuted as you or I would be - can you concede that or should I Google that too?) They reflect on their whole institution. By legitimizing their actions or rubber-stamping "no wrong doing," the system and the individuals it over-protects gives a bad name to all members. Another reason they must be held to a higher standard.

Why? Do you hold Obama to a higher standard, say the drones?? Do you hold other parts of the government to a higher standard?? I doubt it.

Lol, wrong person to ask. I'd happily see Obama hung right beside GWB and Cheney for war crimes. Don't even get me started on how he has a worse track record than Bush regarding the financial sector. I may be even more liberal than you are conservative, but I am both consistent and principled.

They are out there... doing their job.

Their job, in and of itself is currently a tragedy, rife with injustice. Get back to me on that one when they aren't killing people or destroying their future for the temerity to enjoy harmless plants in their own bodies. They knowingly do wrong and immoral things. It's not as bad, so I'm truly sorry to Godwin it, but a huge lesson from Nuremberg was what? That "I was only following orders" isn't a good enough reason. This may be nothing like concentration camp bad, but the principle is the same, if not the degree.

Again. Our criminal justice system must change. Yeah. People out there, some of them bloggers, are animals. But highlighting systemic abuses is a necessary part of a functional society. We shouldn't tone down bringing a problem to light because people are getting killed over it. They should fix it. Bloggers are, in essence doing their jobs. Our lawmakers and policy makers are the ones at fault.

#21 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-07-17 08:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Try recording 'nice' cops and see what you get.

#22 | Posted by 88120rob at 2014-07-17 08:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I submit it is our culture of disrespect that is killing more and more policemen. Their militarization is in response to the cultures militant actions. "

Authoritarian BS.

#23 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-07-17 08:09 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

**** Do you think that because the Police are working First and Foremost for CorpoRat America and the Washington Criminal Elite...that average Americans don't trust them and are really not all that fond of them either?

#24 | Posted by AntiCadillac at 2014-07-17 08:45 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Decent people don't work for a fascist terrorist organization.

They start to understand what it is they really do and quit(see Snowden).

#25 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-07-17 10:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

When cops went from protect and to serve to revenue extorting thugs that's when they lost their moral standing. Checkpoints anyone??

#26 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-17 11:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wow, the cop love is overwhelming. I hope you haters never have the need for an officer if your identity gets stolen, your house get burglarized, your car gets stolen, you get assaulted, etc.

Are there jerks in law enforcement? Absolutely, just like there are in ALL walks of life. I work with some folks that I cant' stand, not because they are crooked, but because they are lazy. Personally, I don't know any crooked cops.

In some parts of the country the pay for cops is so incredibly bad (New Orleans) comes to mind, that the only people really drawn to law enforcement as a career are bullies. That was one of the reasons for the professionalization movement, and the push for higher wages 20 years ago. It was to draw people who might otherwise work in the private sector to police work. It worked, but there is obviously a long way to go. Something as ingrained as police culture takes a long time to overcome. Something else, I've noticed that we have a lot of combat vets moving into law enforcement. I work with one who's a great young cop, but overall I'm afraid it's not always the best fit.

The difference between today and 20 years ago is that these days everybody has a video camera in their hand. Don't forget that video can be edited and manipulated to make anybody look bad, just look at the ACORN and Shirley Sherrod videos that turned out to be totally bogus. But there are also many examples that cannot be defended, and officers often do get charged and fired. Good riddance, the profession does not need people like that.

When the police have been called to something in-progress, it means that things have escalated to a point that the caller can't handle it. The police arrive, and are immediately expected to take control of the situation. Sometimes this requires ordering people to do something that they don't want to do, like shut up and sit down, or drop a potential weapon. Then the cops are expected to interview people who are in the midst of a really bad day, and try to determine what happened. It's a very tough job that most people are not prepared, either physically, mentally or emotionally to handle.

If at some point, a cop yelled at you and your feelings got hurt, that's your problem, but voicing understanding for the wanton execution of two men who were doing nothing more than eating their lunch in uniform is insane.

One last thought: one of the reasons cops ask you where you're going and where you are coming from is because they suspect you might be up to something criminal. I regularly stop suspicious looking people who are out walking in the early morning hours (midnight to 4am). A surprising number have outstanding warrants, or have been recently involved in criminal activity. Sorry for doing what I get paid for! If you're driving, and an officer suspects that you might have been drinking, they'll ask these questions in an effort to engage you in conversation to see if you exhibit any signs of intoxication. It's not a violation of your rights for me to ask these questions. Check points...that's another matter. They've been ruled unconstitutional in Washington State.

#27 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2014-07-17 11:53 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

I hope you haters never have the need for an officer if your identity gets stolen, your house get burglarized, your car gets stolen, you get assaulted, etc.

I love these arguments. They're why I have guns, and remind me why police are useless. My girlfriend's identity was stolen once. Police were useless. They never tracked down anyone, no arrests were made. The only ones who did anything were her credit card companies, one of which detected it at the first transaction and guided her through what to do.

hvlock.com
· Only 13 percent of reported burglaries are solved, or "cleared," by the police.

· Only about 15 percent of property stolen in burglaries is recovered by the police.

In other words, you're useless in burglaries.

m.autoblog.com

The US average rate for car theft recovery is 46 percent.

You're almost half useful when cars are stolen. Almost.

Now assault? Rape? Murder? Those are all cases of too little too late. The old "when seconds count, police are only minutes away." Immensely more useful to know how to defend yourself and reduce your visibility as a target.

In other words - I don't need the police. They're useless except as a clean up crew, are eight times more likely to kill you than a terrorist statistically, and knowingly enforce unjust laws like our absurd war on drugs, endangering and damaging the lives of innocent citizens who make the mistake of thinking they own their own bodies. Not to mention other things that unjustly affect the poor more than the rich, such as traffic tickets which a millionaire wouldn't even notice, while a poor working mother might end up with a bench warrant, all for the trouble of running a little late to work one day.

Also - I don't have to answer when a cop asks where I'm coming from or going to either. Not their business. So, thanks for your concern, but if I'm ever in a situation where police might feel they're needed, it will only be clean up after I (or my 357) have solved the problem.

#28 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-07-18 02:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

"The police themselves, their behaviors and their policies causing this sometimes violent blowback are directly responsible."

Ummm, yeah. The police are actually committing suicide.
This is the modern left.

#29 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-07-18 03:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

Ummm, yeah. The police are actually committing suicide.
This is the modern left.

Welcome back, Diablo.

I see the brain transplant didn't take? Too bad.

#30 | Posted by jpw at 2014-07-18 04:33 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 3 | Newsworthy 1

As I said, there are Adam Henry's in every walk of life, you seem like a real winner! Hope after the cops clean up after you and your .357 that you're not being lead away in handcuffs. The statistics are pretty clear, the presence of a gun in your home makes it much more likely that you, your spouse or your kids will be killed by a gun.

I'm as liberal as most, and am also concerned that the laws seem to impact the poor more than the rich. The drug war is another story. I'm in favor of legal marijuana. I'm not in favor of legalizing anything more addictive. The reason is that the vast majority of property and identity crimes that I investigate were committed by heroin and methamphetamine addicts who need money to score their next high. Making the drugs legal won't change that, it'll just make them more accessible. The drugs will be just as addictive, but not really any cheaper. Your wild west solution, supposedly shooting anybody breaking into your home will just get you shot. Or more likely your gun stolen, since you can't really pack a .357 everywhere you go.

The statistic on cleared burglaries is skewed. Most burglaries are part of a series. When we catch the suspect, we can't always prove every instance, and even if we do, prosecutors don't always charge every instance. My partner and I broke up a burglary ring in the middle of last year, and put three druggies away. Even though we tied them to 17 burglaries, the proof was most compelling in five of the cases, so those were the ones that were charged. Since two involved guns, the ringleader got two strikes. So, 17 cases were cleared, but only five with an arrest.

ID thefts come in several kinds. The most common is when your checkbook or mail gets stolen, and the druggie passes some washed checks at Safeway, much easier to investigate locally, and very often prosecuted. I've closed many of those cases with successful prosecutions over the years. The other common one is when your skimmed card number or fished identification that gets sold, and used somewhere else in the country, or outside the country. These are nearly impossible to investigate.

#31 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2014-07-18 08:11 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Personally, I don't know any crooked cops."

Can't have it both ways where they don't stop or report misconduct by their fellow officers and also claim they aren't crooked. Covering for the blatant absuses is a lesser abuse of power itself. And why do they do it? In case one day they need a fellow officer to look the other way on something they did. Even if they don't plan on taking advantage of it, most of them like to know that they are above the law. When they clean up their own house the perception will change. Until then they really have no right to get indignant about anything.

And note - That doesn't mean I condone killing anyone. If you really think everyone who has been critical of cops in this thread has condoned murdering anyone, you need to practice your reading skills.

#32 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-18 09:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

Good posts #22 and #24 and thank you for your service! All cops have my respect unless proven to be crooked.

#33 | Posted by path at 2014-07-18 09:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

Anyone who encourages or cheers on murders is a scumbag.

But demonizing people who monitor police abuse is idiotic. Monitoring people in authority is vital to maintaining some level of personal freedoms.

If some of you have a need to be dominated there are people you can pay to help you live out your fantasies. Making excuses for people who abuse power is stupid.

#34 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-18 09:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

The difference between today and 20 years ago is that these days everybody has a video camera in their hand.

#22 | POSTED BY _GUNSLINGER_ AT 2014-07-17 11:53 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Body cameras should be mandatory for all police.

#35 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-07-18 11:00 AM | Reply | Flag:

Staten Island man dies after NYPD cop puts him in chokehold -- SEE THE VIDEO

A 400-pound asthmatic Staten Island dad died Thursday after a cop put him in a chokehold and other officers appeared to slam his head against the sidewalk, video of the incident shows.

www.nydailynews.com

#36 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-07-18 11:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

-I see the brain transplant didn't take?

www.youtube.com

#37 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-18 11:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

We bloggers must be that 2nd amendment mouse in your pocket.

#38 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2014-07-18 12:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Body cameras should be mandatory for all police.

#35 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG AT 2014-07-18 11:00 AM | FLAG:

yeah man, we really wanna watch them take a leak. Also doesn't violate their rights, either.

Did you know police officers are humans also, and should be treated as such?

#39 | Posted by soheifox at 2014-07-18 04:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Body cameras are a double edged sword. On the one hand, it does help to monitor for bent cops. On the other hand, they would have a significant chilling effect on people speaking with PD. in Washington, we have a two party consent rule, meaning that we have to notify anyone we are talking to that they are being recorded. That's going to make it much harder to get most people to talk to us in almost every instance, including victims, witnesses and potential informants. I'm sure you've probably noticed that introducing a camera into any situation changes peoples behavior.

#40 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2014-07-18 06:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Did you know police officers are humans also, and should be treated as such?"

#39 | Posted by soheifox

Only when they return the favor.

#41 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2014-07-18 06:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Also doesn't violate their rights, either.

Did you know police officers are humans also, and should be treated as such?

Sorry, but when they're on the clock I think a camera is an OK option given the current reality (with obvious limitations, ie when they're using the bathroom).

#42 | Posted by jpw at 2014-07-19 12:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

Sorry, but when they're on the clock I think a camera is an OK option given the current reality (with obvious limitations, ie when they're using the bathroom).

#42 | POSTED BY JPW

I agree with this, but they are also human. But a video camera is protection against an abusive state.

#43 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-19 01:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

Sorry, but when they're on the clock I think a camera is an OK option given the current reality (with obvious limitations, ie when they're using the bathroom).
#42 | POSTED BY JPW
I agree with this, but they are also human. But a video camera is protection against an abusive state.

#43 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

I concur with both of you to an extent.

I'd also like to see many police jobs become part time work on the grounds that being a cop damages the brain.

i.e. after a while everyone starts looking like a criminal.

#44 | Posted by Tor at 2014-07-19 02:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

Welcome back, Diablo.

I see the brain transplant didn't take? Too bad.

#30 | Posted by jpw

I actually told the 'moderators' more than once to delete my account, JPW.
They did not.
I really do not care if you or they approve of me.
Have fun living in left wing peer pressure, JPW. You deserve it.

#45 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-07-19 04:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

I actually told the 'moderators' more than once to delete my account, JPW.
They did not.

And unless they showed up to your house and held a weapon to your head/throat/balls, this means what?

I really do not care if you or they approve of me.

Wouldn't expect you to.

Would have expected you, however, to be aware of how this place works.

Relax, amigo. Getting burned is part of the experience.

Have fun living in left wing peer pressure, JPW. You deserve it.

Left wing peer pressure? Are you kidding me? I generally lean left but I'm hardly a "leftist".

#46 | Posted by jpw at 2014-07-19 04:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

timmy was a mess up..... he should have parked that truck across from
a police station

#47 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2014-07-19 10:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

and as far as sanctioning murder.....sometimes people need killin'

#48 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2014-07-19 10:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

**** You don't have to Hate the Gov to Hate the Cops! Everybody Hates the Cops and with Very Good and Well Documented Reasons!!!

#49 | Posted by AntiCadillac at 2014-07-19 02:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

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