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Tuesday, July 08, 2014

An editorial in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz: There are no words to describe the horror allegedly done by six Jews to Mohammed Abu Khdeir of Shoafat. Although a gag order bars publication of details of the terrible murder and the identities of its alleged perpetrators, the account of Abu Khdeir's family -- according to which the boy was burned alive -- would horrify any mortal. Anyone who is not satisfied with this description, can view the horror movie in which members of Israel's Border Police are seen brutally beating Tariq Abu Khdeir, the murder victim's 15-year-old cousin.

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Abu Khdeir's murderers are not "Jewish extremists." They are the descendants and builders of a culture of hate and vengeance that is nurtured and fertilized by the guides of "the Jewish state": Those for whom every Arab is a bitter enemy, simply because they are Arab; those who were silent at the Beitar Jerusalem games when the team's fans shouted "death to Arabs" at Arab players; those who call for cleansing the state of its Arab minority, or at least to drive them out of the homes and cities of the Jews.

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It's like a dog fight over there. In many ways.

#1 | Posted by montecore at 2014-07-08 08:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

I have been to Israel, and I believe his guys editorial is extreme to the point of ridicules . Surely Israel is home to radical Arab-Muslim hating far right conservative fools. But Israel is a very diverse country, populated by a mix of progressives, moderates, and even conservatives who realize that peace is far better the violence. Just like the average folks on the Arab-Muslim side. The news media just ignores the moderates on BOTH SIDES, and only reports on the far-right conservative loons, Arab-Muslim or Israeli

#2 | Posted by SammyAZ_RI at 2014-07-08 08:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

in fairness to the israelis-- i guess if i was born and grew up in a country birthed in terrorism, dishonesty and theft and taught by my holy book that i was one of god's chosen and that any one else is a lesser human, especially those people who are descended from the people my country's most revered heroes stole land from then yeah, i might be a bit arrogant and hateful...

...but that is just me, and i am still fairly young, occasionally impressionable and slightly prone to excess...

at times...

#3 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-07-08 08:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

This isn't a guy's editorial -- it's the unsigned editorial of Haaretz, the oldest daily newspaper in Israel with a circulation of 72,000.

#4 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-08 08:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

his guys..= This guys

#5 | Posted by SammyAZ_RI at 2014-07-08 08:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

This isn't a guy's editorial -- it's the unsigned editorial of Haaretz
#4 | Posted by rcade
OK this "unsigned" editorial It's still extreme and ridicules IMHO

Thanks for posting it RCADE

#6 | Posted by SammyAZ_RI at 2014-07-08 08:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

geesh...same ole..same ole

the old saying or close...others put down their weapons there's no more fighting...israel puts down their weapons, there's no more ISrael...

but then...that's the point, now isn't it..

#7 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-07-08 08:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

If Israel would stop encroaching on lands that is clearly not their own. They wouldn't be having the troubles today.

#8 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-08 08:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

If Israel would stop encroaching on lands that is clearly not their own. They wouldn't be having the troubles today.

#8 | Posted by LarryMohr

True. And maybe if they could BOTH live in the present and not the past they could both learn to live in peace.

#9 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-07-08 08:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't see Israel ever escaping the revenge cycle of past grievances.

#10 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-08 08:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

If the radical Zionist ultra-orthadox who want to see Israel return to Biblical proportions didn't have an inordinate amount of power the majority in Israel could possible form a peaceful relationship with their neighbors. Until just recently the portion of the population most responsible for stirring up trouble were exempt from serving in the military. Nice, stir up problems, then let others have to go risk their lives to deal with them.

#11 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-08 09:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

I respect a culture that can criticize itself.

#12 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-07-08 09:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

.... "If Israel would stop encroaching on lands that is clearly not their own.They wouldn't be having the troubles today"

**** Just what Troubles is Israel having Today...seeing that the American Taxpayers are picking up all of Israel's bills? Israel is getting a Free Ride plus Armaments and a License from the US Govt to Bully and Destroy the Arab Countries. Any kind of Real Troubles to be found are being caused not to Israel but by Israel.Like to the American people by Israel's Corruption and Destruction of the US Govt and US Constitution not to mention Israel's Poisonous presence in the Middle East.The racist agenda of the "Ashkenazi" dominated Israeli Govt is Toxic to the Arab countries and their populations...who by the way constitute the real Semetic Peoples of the Middle East!

#13 | Posted by AntiCadillac at 2014-07-08 09:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't see Israel ever escaping the revenge cycle of past grievances.
#10 | Posted by rcade

Barring some sort of aberrant event, peace will only happen when both Israeli and Palestinian leadership benefit from an end to violence.

It's unlikely that both sides will be able to benefit from peace at the same time.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-08 11:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Here is the truth folks. If the USA stopped funding the state of Israel, apartheid would end almost immediately. Israel would have to make peace to feed its people.

The USA funds Israel to have a friendly military base in the region. It created that state for that reason after ww2.

Israel has defied UN resolution after resolution with the aid of the American empire. Without that aid, it would have to choose to either end its ultra-nationalism or have world wide sanctions against it.

Then there would be peace.

The American empire keeps these peoples at war purposefully in order to exploit middle eastern oil.

#15 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-07-09 02:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

#15: Again, your ignorance on the subject of Israel is disappointing or is it just purposeful disinformation?

#16 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-07-09 07:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

Haaretz Blasts Isreal's Culture of Hate.

..meanwhile

Hamas' Culture of Hate Blasts Israel with rockets

#17 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-07-09 08:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

The news media just ignores the moderates on BOTH SIDES, and only reports on the far-right conservative loons, Arab-Muslim or Israeli

#2 | Posted by SammyAZ_RI

True, but both governing bodies is made up of these far right loons.

Plus our own policies toward both are clouded by the same fundamentalist far right loonery.

#18 | Posted by kudzu at 2014-07-09 08:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

#15 You've gone off the mental rez, Shawn. I don't like giving foreign aid to anyone, much less Israel, but if we stopped, Israel wouldn't make peace to feed their people. They would seal their borders and quit feeding anyone BUT their people. They would move back into the occupied territories and build houses.

#19 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-07-09 08:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

"They would move back into the occupied territories and build houses."

OMG!

#20 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-09 08:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

#20 You know I'm talking about the Israelis, right? My point to Shawn is that our "aid" to Israel comes with some unspoken conditions, and if we quit paying them, they would do whatever they please. I personally don't give a rat's ass if they build more housing but it sure seems to piss off the Arabs.

#21 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-07-09 08:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

in fairness to the israelis-- i guess if i was born and grew up in a country birthed in terrorism, dishonesty and theft and taught by my holy book that i was one of god's chosen and that any one else is a lesser human, especially those people who are descended from the people my country's most revered heroes stole land from then yeah, i might be a bit arrogant and hateful...
...but that is just me, and i am still fairly young, occasionally impressionable and slightly prone to excess...
at times...
#3 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-07-08 08:12 PM

You misunderstand - not so much less than human, just inhuman and soulless.

How ironic that humans have such a knack for total eradication of life. No other animal possess such voracious hatred for existence. It makes me ashamed. While the ecosphere is being exterminated representatives from polluting corporations argue that isn't their problem and the public accepts this.

The Jews are right - we are two distinct species of human amid a variety of mental incapacities. Only, they are just as horrible as any other misanthrope hominid.

#22 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-07-09 11:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

Then there would be peace.
#15 | POSTED BY SHAWN

LOL, at least RedLightRobot has some logic....

I don't see Israel ever escaping the revenge cycle of past grievances.
#10 | POSTED BY RCADE

I don't see either side escaping it, but turning a blind eye to the violence certainly will create more...

#23 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-09 11:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

progressives, moderates, and even conservatives

Are the progressives, moderates, and conservatives speaking out to condemn the radicals?

#24 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2014-07-09 12:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

If Israel would stop encroaching on lands that is clearly not their own. They wouldn't be having the troubles today.

#8 | Posted by LarryMohr

All the land they got that you say isn't theirs was the spoils of a war they didn't start.

Show me a country besids the US that gives back all the land they won in a war.

#25 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-07-09 01:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

All the land they got that you say isn't theirs was the spoils of a war they didn't start.

Show me a country besids the US that gives back all the land they won in a war.

Posted by Sniper at 2014-07-09 01:19 PM | Reply

Israel is in direct violation of UNSC Resolution 242 Which states that they will withdrawal from occupied lands. They have yet to do so and has expanded the land grabbing ever sense.

#26 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-09 01:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

#15: Again, your ignorance on the subject of Israel is disappointing or is it just purposeful disinformation?

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Ad hominum is not an argument. Make a real one or blow away windbag.

#27 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-07-09 01:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

Every time Israel withdraws, thier enemies gain a a tactical advantage...and they use it. Then Israel has to push them back again to protect themselves. I dare say that if Mexico were to start lobbing missiles across the border instead of children, we would do the same. Errr, maybe not with Obama at the helm. But any POTUS who took his oath to "protect and defend...." seriously would.

#28 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2014-07-09 02:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Nope. My argument makes perfect sense. Israel is an US backed apartheid state. End the funding = end the apartheid. Israel would have to make peace or it would starve to death.

#29 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-07-09 02:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Shawn,

Look up Israel's budget. It is upwards of 27 billion. What we give them won't make them starve if we stop. And we should at least cut it down if not totally abstain from giving money to anyone in that area right now. We can't continue to keep trying to buy our friends.

#30 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-09 02:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

#29 Would Israel starve or would they just close the borders and let the Arabs starve? I'll bet you know the answer.

#31 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-07-09 02:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wrong. We give them upwards of that much every year. It damn well would do exactly what I said.

#32 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-07-09 02:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Link to show we give Israel 27 billion per year. It is established fact we give them 3 billion. It is established fact their military budget alone is close to 15 billion.

Post a link.

#33 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-09 02:21 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the 'play dumb' rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon.) In order to completely avoid discussing issues, it may be required that you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.

You are obfuscating.

#34 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-07-09 02:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

On June 12, at 10:15 p.m., a trio of Israeli teenagers – Gil-Ad Shaer, Naftali Frenkel, and Eyal Yifrach – who were hitchhiking back to their homes were given a lift by Marwan Qawasmeh and Amar Abu Aisha. The car radio had Israel's public station on, giving the impression that the occupants were Israelis, but the three boys soon realized their fatal mistake. One of them called 911 and told the dispatcher "We've been kidnapped": in the recording – kept secret until now – one can hear gunshots in the background, the cry of someone who has at least been wounded, followed by celebratory singing.

The authorities immediately issued a gag order on all reporting on the content of the call, while Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his cabinet lied to the Israeli and international public by pretending not to know the boys were almost certainly dead. The boys, said Netanyahu & Co., had been kidnapped by Hamas in order to extract more concessions from the Israeli government as in the case of Gilad Shalit.

And of course there was a military complement to the propaganda campaign: although the Israeli government knew the three boys were almost certainly dead, they initiated what they dubbed "Operation Brother's Keeper." Thousands of IDF soldiers combed the West Bank, ostensibly searching for the kidnapped boys: 560 Palestinians were arrested, with over 200 still being held, and over 2,000 locations – homes, public buildings, even water wells – were searched. Palestinian homes were ransacked and looted. And, naturally, Gaza – Israel's punching bag – was mercilessly bombed, in tandem with the killing of six young Palestinians by the IDF.

So why did the Israeli government lie about the "kidnapping"? Look at the context: the US had recently recognized the Fatah-Hamas unity government and Tel Aviv had taken the brunt of the blame for the failure of the Israeli-Palestinian peace talks. It was a no-brainer, as far as the Israelis were concerned: why not use the murder to exert maximum political leverage on Washington, launch fresh attacks on the Palestinians, and score a few much-needed propaganda points?

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#35 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2014-07-09 05:00 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

The Israelis not only kept the murder of the three boys secret, they also kept the identities of the accused Palestinians under wraps for two weeks. Why?

Because the two brothers implicated in the murder are members of a clan known to be a "rogue" element in Hamas, having defied the wishes of the Hamas leadership on repeated occasions. Hamas would have no motive for the murder, unless the leadership wanted to sacrifice the real political gains they have made on the West Bank for the "satisfaction" of executing three Israeli teens.

The Israeli deception allowed them a pretext to carry out a military operation that otherwise would've been seen for just what it was and is: pure vengeance directed at those who had nothing to do with – and nothing to gain from – the murders.

Alongside the military campaign directed at Hamas – but actually aimed at any and all Palestinians – the government's propaganda campaign whipped up the Israeli people into a frenzied paroxysm of hate. Mobs of Israelis marched through the streets, beating any Arab in sight. The Israeli far-right went ballistic, calling for outright genocide against the Palestinians. The Israeli "mainstream," for their part, kept up the incitement, with Netanyahu and defense minister Moshe Ya'alon proposing a new Israeli settlement on Palestinian territory in "honor" of the murdered boys.

The death of 16-year-old Abu Khdeir, who was kidnapped by Israeli "extremists" and burned alive, was all too predictable. After weeks of ferocious pronouncements coming from Israeli government officials, whose overwhelming message was the necessity of exacting vengeance, it was almost inevitable that some would get the message and take matters into their own hands.

There is a curious parallelism in the Israeli government's domestic and foreign policies: both seem designed to whip up as much turmoil as possible, resulting in a condition of perpetual war.

Antiwar

#36 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2014-07-09 05:00 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Lots of Jew haters here.

#37 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-07-09 05:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Lots of Jew haters here.

#37 | POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE

And anybody who criticizes Obama is racist, right?

#38 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2014-07-09 05:21 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

In Israel the alleged "only democracy in the Middle East" they'd probably assassinate the writer of this editorial if he/she was ID'd. Israel is no democracy with human rights and it is no friend of the USA. It might be better than some according to media propaganda, but then "some" might not be as bad as portrayed.

We need to cut our costly special ties to them and others, and rebuild the USA for Americans. These countries like Israel no doubt have free reign hit teams in the USA too because the media and DOJ would cover for them.

Americans need to awaken to the reality that the freedom and rights we think we have are held in place only by a thread. It takes an educated critical thinking middle class that is not afraid to push the envelope of freedom and candid exposure, instead of being drunk on contrived political correctness that muzzles speech.

#39 | Posted by Robson at 2014-07-09 05:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

And anybody who criticizes Obama is racist, right?

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And anyone who doesn't like the feminists hates women.

And anyone who doesn't care about don't ask don't tell hates homosexuals.

Same political football designed to obfuscate.

#40 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-07-09 06:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

we're all jew haters to him, but we all know that chairborne101 is the most loving and caring of all posters on the drudge.

why, just the other evening, he found a wet, shivering puppy huddled in a drainage ditch far out in the countryside. "obviously a rabid jew hater hath placed the poor animal here" 101 snarled underneath his breath as he gently picked up the pathetic creature and gently wrappped it in a snuggly wool baby blanket bequeathed to him by his great aunt bertha.

after bringing the puppy into his 4x4 coal-rolling pick up truck, he opened the glove compartment and, pushing aside a few loaded pistols and a well-worn copy of "my life" he brought forth a small tin of cesar, opened it, and with a gentle loving finger scooped up a dollop and placed it in front of the puppy's quivering mouth, which yipped happily and gobbled up the tender morsel with delight.

later on, back home, the puppy warmed itself by a toasty wood fire while 101chairborne made calls to all his kindhearted pro-likud friends, intent to find a permanent, loving home for the wayward pooch. it didn't take long-- and soon "bibi" as the puppy was henceforth known, was on his way east-- far removed from the jew hating jew haters who abandoned him (before converting to islam) only a few days before...

#41 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-07-09 07:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Every time Israel withdraws, thier enemies gain a a tactical advantage...and they use it. Then Israel has to push them back again to protect themselves. I dare say that if Mexico were to start lobbing missiles across the border instead of children, we would do the same. Errr, maybe not with Obama at the helm. But any POTUS who took his oath to "protect and defend...." seriously would.
#28 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2014-07-09 02:00 PM

EXPLAIN.

#42 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-07-10 01:21 PM | Reply | Flag:


EXPLAIN.

#42 | Posted by redlightrobot

Seems pretty self explanatory to me...

#43 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-10 03:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

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