Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Tuesday, July 08, 2014

Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin said President Barack Obama's inaction over the escalating crisis on the southern border is grounds for impeachment. Palin, who quit the governorship during her first term, wrote in a commentary for the right-wing Breitbart News, "(Obama's) unsecured border crisis is the last straw that makes the battered wife say, 'no mas.' ... It's time to impeach; and on behalf of American workers and legal immigrants of all backgrounds, we should vehemently oppose any politician on the left or right who would hesitate in voting for articles of impeachment."

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Republicans have been talking about impeaching Obama for years, but they can't even keep track of why they want to. There's a new reason for every Republican every day.

No, he can't be impeached because Central American children are fleeing from violence.

It's against US law and international human rights to just send those children back across the border.

What does part-time Christian Sarah Palin think would happen to those children? They'll just go home and eat dinner?

#1 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2014-07-08 03:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh, and don't those states want the federal government to mind its own business? They should take care of their own border security and stop suckling on the big government teat.

#2 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2014-07-08 03:53 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

John McCain ought to be impeached for inflicting Palin on this country.

#3 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-07-08 03:56 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 4

Pat Buchanan vs Sarah Palin in a Ring Match on PPV.

She even makes Pat look like he has half a brain.

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-08 03:59 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Palin should be quarantined from the media.

Simple as that.

#5 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-08 04:20 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

The calls for impeachment are starting to grow. And this time, there's a real reason. Obama better watch himself.

#6 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-08 04:29 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 3

Who cares what she has to say? According to Fox & Friends she should be home taking care of her husband.

#7 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2014-07-08 04:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

#^ HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!

He's soooworried he's quaking.

Only question is why it took so long. Oh wait. It didn't. First call was in Dec 2009. He's GUILTY of prezidentin' while black.

I predict it'll end like all their other proposals: big thud. No conviction, probably not even be brought up for a vote.

#8 | Posted by 88120rob at 2014-07-08 04:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

You tell us dunderhead. You were the 7th one rushing over to post on the thread.

#9 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-07-08 04:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh gosh - Sarah called for it? We must take this seriously.

#10 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2014-07-08 04:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

They should let Obama hang around for a while. Why impeach the worst president since WWII? The longer he stays the more people regret voting Democrat. Republicans have him on the ropes and they should keep punching to keep him standing.

#11 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-07-08 04:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hugu, you must live in a very strange alternative universe from reality.

#12 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-07-08 04:55 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

What can I say?
If this website was a illegal alien then you would be the lice crawling down RCADE's face.
LOL ;)

#13 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-07-08 05:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

She stole the idea from trig.

#14 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-07-08 05:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Don't worry Huguenot. No matter how bad Obama gets, Republicans will pull the exact same move as 2012 and find somebody worse.

Meanwhile, did anyone happen to ask Palin if she even knows what "impeach" means? She probably thinks she's calling for the ------ to get hung from a fruit tree.

#15 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-07-08 05:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why give this cow airtime?

#16 | Posted by bat4255 at 2014-07-08 05:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

I guess it's okay that Obama allows our borders to be encroached by --------, after-all once upon a time Africans were brought here (yes against their will, but none the less they were brought here as illegal citizens)then they were made slaves. Gee why not bring South and central Americans here so they can work for next to nothing ( a little more than the slaves, but slaves none the less. Then they can take jobs from the people and get paid way less for their efforts. Then the Democrats will be in charge for a very long time or forever. Too sad that humans let themselves be used like that.

#17 | Posted by SadPatriot at 2014-07-08 05:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

#6 "And this time, there's a real reason." THIS time? LOL. I'm sure you don't see the humor in that, but i love it. Bring it on ... impeachment proceedings will be the best thing that has happened to the Democratic party in recent years.

#18 | Posted by midiman at 2014-07-08 05:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Meanwhile, did anyone happen to ask Palin if she even knows what "impeach" means? She probably thinks she's calling for the ------ to get hung from a fruit tree.

#15 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-07-08 05:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

??
According to Harry Reid he's a light skinned wannabe.

#19 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-07-08 05:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's not our problem!

#20 | Posted by SadPatriot at 2014-07-08 05:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

16
Is she fat now? Has her chest kept pace? Google!

#21 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-07-08 05:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

A "well spoken" one, when he wants to be.

#22 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-07-08 05:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

#17. They were brought here as "illegal citizens" and THEN they were made slaves? LOL. Quite a word salad you tossed there. This thread is awesome.

#23 | Posted by midiman at 2014-07-08 05:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

but none the less they (Blacks)were brought here as illegal citizens

#17 | Posted by SadPatriot at

No, my friend. They were brought here as property. Like your couch.

#24 | Posted by Zed at 2014-07-08 05:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

I guess it's okay that Obama allows our borders

#17 | Posted by SadPatriot

Obama's done a better job of securing the borders according to right-wing standards than any president I'm aware of, to the point of getting in trouble with his own base.

Between this and the "illegal citizens" bit, I'm thinking that perhaps you should allow someone to inspect your own papers. I don't think you're from here.

#25 | Posted by Zed at 2014-07-08 05:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh I get it!
People oppose because he's black!

Not to worry parasites. You can't impeach the first black president.

#26 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-07-08 05:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

You can't impeach the first black president.

#26 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014

You can't impeach anyone without a high crime or misdemeanor.

You wanna commit to something, at long last, or continue to epitomize the hypocritical and hysterical wussiness of modern Republicanism?

#27 | Posted by Zed at 2014-07-08 05:40 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Why give this cow airtime?

#16 | Posted by bat4255 at

American Dairy Association?

Got milk?

#28 | Posted by Zed at 2014-07-08 05:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

"No, my friend. They were brought here as property. Like your couch."

I don't think my couch was imported from Africa.....but I'll check.

#29 | Posted by eberly at 2014-07-08 05:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

You can't impeach anyone without a high crime or misdemeanor.

You wanna commit to something, at long last, or continue to epitomize the hypocritical and hysterical wussiness of modern Republicanism?

#27 | Posted by Zed at 2014-07-08 05:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

LOL
I've already commited. You can't impeach the first black president. Period. It's a point of order. It's from the slave block to the pedestal. It's a double standard fueled by leftwing self loathing and their scorched earth tactics. It just can't happen no matter what.

#30 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-07-08 05:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

I've already commited.

#30 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-07-08 05:

No, you're being stupid. Name the crime impeachment proceedings would be held on, or please STFU concerning this entire issue.

#31 | Posted by Zed at 2014-07-08 05:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

If that's not just too, too much to ask, that is.

#32 | Posted by Zed at 2014-07-08 05:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hey Zed,
The phrase "you can't impeach the first black president" didn't come from me. It came from Alan Dershowitz - take it up with him or STFU. ;)

#33 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-07-08 05:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

33 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014

Let's take it up with every Right-Wing Ninny who has ever brought it up.

You have nothing. Nothing. Not even the balls to admit you have nothing.

#34 | Posted by Zed at 2014-07-08 05:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

You guys are so damned dishonest. And so damned cowardly. Did you decide that Dershowitz has skirts, so as to hide behind them?

#35 | Posted by Zed at 2014-07-08 06:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's a double standard fueled by leftwing self loathing and their scorched earth tactics. It just can't happen no matter what.

#30 | Posted by Huguenot

It's a double standard made up in your racist head. This President is not different from many other Presidents. Better than some worse than others.

Bush committed far more heinous offenses and was not impeached. THAT is why this President won't be impeached.

Anyway, I thought you clowns were gonna sue him.

That nonsense fall apart already?

Budget time is coming around again soon. Maybe you can sabotage the functioning of the US Government again that way.

#36 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-07-08 06:04 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

33 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014

Let's take it up with every Right-Wing Ninny who has ever brought it up.

You have nothing. Nothing. Not even the balls to admit you have nothing.

#34 | Posted by Zed at 2014-07-08 05:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Did I ever call for his impeachment? No. I think Republicans should keep him around as long as possible. The longer he stays in the more people will regret voting for him. His constant ------- are a great cautionary tale. But aside from that, what would it matter? You can't impeach the first black president. I know this. OK??

#37 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-07-08 06:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

So the legions of the Dishonest and the Yellow-Bellied are going to give the Anti-Christ a pass because Alan Dershowitz made an editorial remark once?

You know as well as I do if you don't try to impeach him now that in ten or fifteen years you'll be complaining that no one (never you, or course) had the guts to do the deed when there was a chance.

#38 | Posted by Zed at 2014-07-08 06:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

historically It would look very bad to impeach the first black president after centuries of slavery and racism. If you want to be a part of that history well then you are on the wrong side.

If Obama actually did something similar to Nixon then yes but until then I think republicans remains the supreme impeachment offender.

#39 | Posted by pragmatous at 2014-07-08 06:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think that it would be an impossible feat. Exactly BECAUSE he's black.

#40 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-07-08 06:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

The first black, the first woman, and the first gay will all receive kid glove treatment as long as they're dems.

#41 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-07-08 06:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

They're still not equal. It's a shame! :(

#42 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-07-08 06:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

The longer he stays the more people regret voting Democrat.
#11 | Posted by Huguenot

You do knows the performance of Obama as President has nothing to do with what McCain or Romney would have done?
Most who disapprove of Obama (like me) are still glad he beat those lunatics.

#43 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2014-07-08 07:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

You tell us dunderhead. You were the 7th one rushing over to post on the thread.

#9 | Posted by Dalton

I'm just curious why a party that claims to support "Traditional Values" gives such power to women. Even Fox News admits one of those values is that a woman's place is in the home caring for the hubby and kids.

#44 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2014-07-08 07:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

As does the Bible.

#45 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2014-07-08 07:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

And posting an hour after the thread is started is hardly "Rushing over".

#46 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2014-07-08 07:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

You do knows the performance of Obama as President has nothing to do with what McCain or Romney would have done?
Most who disapprove of Obama (like me) are still glad he beat those lunatics.

#43 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2014-07-08 07:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Beats them at what, exactly?
If you mean beating them in a race for the worst president award then you are right to stick with Obama.

#47 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-07-08 07:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think Republicans should keep him around as long as possible. The longer he stays in the more people will regret voting for him.

When the new President is elected we could make Obama the spare President. Like Pope John is the spare Pope. We could put Obama up in an apartment in the back with glass walls and sell tickets.

"Look son... there is the former Black President." "Yes, we really did elect one." "We keep him there to remind us why we don't do that any more."

#48 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-07-08 07:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

The calls for impeachment are starting to grow. And this time, there's a real reason. Obama better watch himself.

Yawn. You think him wearing black shoes with a brown belt is grounds for impeachment.

And the calls are hardly growing. They're just getting louder from the strident morons as we approach midterm elections.

#49 | Posted by jpw at 2014-07-08 08:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Someone needs to inform Palin, former Vee Pee candidate that even if Obama were impeached and even convicted in the Senate she would still not get to be President.

#50 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-08 08:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

even if Obama were impeached and even convicted in the Senate she would still not get to be President.

#50 | Posted by danni

And guess who would be.

Shotgun Joe!

Now THAT would be a Big ---- Deal.

#51 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-07-08 08:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

Beats them at what, exactly?
#47 | Posted by Huguenot

In case you were asleep or just stupid, Obama beat McCain in the 2008 Presidential election and beat Romney in the 2012 Presidential election.
Thanks, you may go back to sleep now.

#52 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2014-07-08 08:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

Thanks, you may go back to sleep now.

#52 | Posted by TFDNihilist

The undead never need sleep.

#53 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-07-08 08:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Alaskan that can't see Russia has no clue. But in the great USA she knocks down the big bucks foaming of the mouth in the mass media. It pays more than that crummy Governor's job.

#54 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-08 09:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

When Obama's term is over her career is over. She will probably start attacking Hillary Clinton hoping to extend her access to a high income and fame. Historically, she will be remembered as a joke.

#55 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-08 09:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

sara palin will be remembered as a joke? LOL. so will obama.

#56 | Posted by outbacker at 2014-07-08 11:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

"sara palin will be remembered as a joke? LOL. so will obama."

President Obama will be remembered as a two term President of the United States.

Ms. Palin will be vaguely remembered as the running mate of the candidate he beat in his first term election.

#57 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-07-08 11:39 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

sara palin will be remembered as a joke? LOL. so will obama.

#56 | POSTED BY OUTBACKER AT 2014-07-08 11:21 PM | REPLY | FLAG:MUNCHING THE STUPID PILLS

Let me see.. Obama the first African American elected to the presidency Obama two term president came in after the economy tanked... passed the ACA, offed bin Laden... brought the economy back from the brink... Tossed out Doma

If Obama is as bad as you say... and he has spanked the ------------- at every turn.. then you must be really pathetic. I mean REALLY pathetic.

Palin served half a term as governor... and she ran on the fact that she was governor... ridiculing Obama for being a mere first term senator... and she didn't know what the Bush doctrine was.

McCain knew how to get bin Laden he just wasn't going into Pakistan to do it.

After Eisenhower left office ------------- have put garbage into the white house.
Nixon smarmy garbage,
Reagan convivial garbage
Bush1 prudent garbage
Bush2 a steaming pile of sshhhiiigarbage.

What are you going to do? throw Carter in my face? Carter can go anywhere in the world he is well respected.

The Bushes can't even show up and ------------ conventions and their endorsements are fetid.

#58 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2014-07-09 01:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

From what I was just told Palin might be asked to join the view.. along with Rosie O'Donnell coming back! I would definitely become a fan of that fling-fest!

#59 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-07-09 01:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

Oh, and don't those states want the federal government to mind its own business? They should take care of their own border security and stop suckling on the big government teat.

#2 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar

You have a memory like a rock........... AZ tried that and got slapped down by obummer. Barry said that was the feds' job. As you can see, they have done a great job.

#60 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-07-09 09:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

Not to worry parasites. You can't impeach the first black president.

#26 | Posted by Huguenot

Clinton was the first black presidenr and he was impeached. Let's go for #2.

#61 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-07-09 09:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

from the woman who brought us,
"a bridge too far", "mavericky",
and "I can't finish
this single term I was elected
to because it is too hard, and
interrupts the money I can make
from pandering to the lowest
common denominator and I.Q., by
throwing Red Meat to the moronic
Right!"

aww...I feel so bad for you
and your obsessive need for
attention, that you need to
lurch into the American spotlight
yet again for another 10 minutes of
rightwing rabid fame...

yep...(dusts off his hands)...
I'm done here...

#62 | Posted by earthmuse at 2014-07-09 09:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

You just can't make stuff like this up.

www.huffingtonpost.com

#63 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-07-09 09:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

Budget time is coming around again soon. Maybe you can sabotage the functioning of the US Government again that way.

#36 | Posted by donnerboy

You mean obummer will shut down the government again?

#64 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-07-09 09:20 AM | Reply | Flag:

If Obama actually did something similar to Nixon then yes but until then I think republicans remains the supreme impeachment offender.

#39 | Posted by pragmatous

You are joaking, arn't you?

#65 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-07-09 09:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

I disagree with impeachment. I don't want the Country mired in that, plus I really don't want Joe to have a nuclear football, do you?

By the time we impeach and get anywhere with it, Obama's term will be over. Why waste valuable assets and time?

Although, there is one possible reason to do it. If we divert Obama's attention away from Immigration, Foreign affairs, gay rights, etc... he won't be able to screw up the Country anymore than he has.

#66 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-07-09 09:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

You mean obummer will shut down the government again?

#64 | Posted by Sniper at 2014

Only if Ted Cruz agrese to brag about closing the government down on national television later.

#67 | Posted by Zed at 2014-07-09 09:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

The proof of the lie that Ted Cruz shut down the government is that Obama came up with the stupid idea in the first place. See Obama crafted the idea that if republicans would give him tax increases that he would negotiate spending cuts. Once Obama got the tax increases he stabbed the country in the back and refused to do any spending cuts. So, at the end of the day Obama is a liar and and you can't negotiate with liars.

#68 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-07-09 09:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

Obama should call for Palin's lobotomy...

#69 | Posted by tiger150 at 2014-07-09 12:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

The proof of the lie that Ted Cruz shut down the government

#68 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-07

DALTON, it would HELP if Ted didn't come out and say it to our faces he closed it down, and what a good thing that was, and how wonderful he is for having done it.

This is one of the weirdest things. There's apparently no limit to the things you can make disappear just by closing your eyes and willing it, the multiple actions and behaviors of a US Senator being one of them.

#70 | Posted by Zed at 2014-07-09 01:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm sure you have a link to that quote zed.

#71 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-07-09 01:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm sure you have a link to that quote zed.

#71 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-07-09 01:16

The videos are all over the internet. Videos of Cruz saying it. Multiple videos. Not to mention we all watched him crow over closing the government down at the time.

Are you guys playing some sort of a game here?

#72 | Posted by Zed at 2014-07-09 02:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged. By violation of the Nuremberg laws I mean the same kind of crimes for which people were hanged in Nuremberg. And Nuremberg means Nuremberg and Tokyo. So first of all you've got to think back as to what people were hanged for at Nuremberg and Tokyo. And once you think back, the question doesn't even require a moment's waste of time. For example, one general at the Tokyo trials, which were the worst, General Yamashita, was hanged on the grounds that troops in the Philippines, which were technically under his command (though it was so late in the war that he had no contact with them -- it was the very end of the war and there were some troops running around the Philippines who he had no contact with), had carried out atrocities, so he was hanged. Well, try that one out and you've already wiped out everybody.

But getting closer to the sort of core of the Nuremberg-Tokyo tribunals, in Truman's case at the Tokyo tribunal, there was one authentic, independent Asian justice, an Indian, who was also the one person in the court who had any background in international law [Radhabinod Pal], and he dissented from the whole judgment, dissented from the whole thing. He wrote a very interesting and important dissent, seven hundred pages -- you can find it in the Harvard Law Library, that's where I found it, maybe somewhere else, and it's interesting reading. He goes through the trial record and shows, I think pretty convincingly, it was pretty farcical. He ends up by saying something like this: if there is any crime in the Pacific theater that compares with the crimes of the Nazis, for which they're being hanged at Nuremberg, it was the dropping of the two atom bombs. And he says nothing of that sort can be attributed to the present accused. Well, that's a plausible argument, I think, if you look at the background. Truman proceeded to organize a major counter-insurgency campaign in Greece which killed off about one hundred and sixty thousand people, sixty thousand refugees, another sixty thousand or so people tortured, political system dismantled, right-wing regime. American corporations came in and took it over. I think that's a crime under Nuremberg.

Well, what about Eisenhower? You could argue over whether his overthrow of the government of Guatemala was a crime. There was a CIA-backed army, which went in under U.S. threats and bombing and so on to undermine that capitalist democracy. I think that's a crime. The invasion of Lebanon in 1958, I don't know, you could argue. A lot of people were killed. The overthrow of the government of Iran is another one -- through a CIA-backed coup. But Guatemala suffices for Eisenhower and there's plenty more.

Kennedy is easy. The invasion of Cuba was outright aggression. Eisenhower planned it, incidentally, so he was involved in a conspiracy to invade another country, which we can add to his score. After the invasion of Cuba, Kennedy launched a huge terrorist campaign against Cuba, which was very serious. No joke. Bombardment of industrial installations with killing of plenty of people, bombing hotels, sinking fishing boats, sabotage. Later, under Nixon, it even went as far as poisoning livestock and so on. Big affair. And then came Vietnam; he invaded Vietnam. He invaded South Vietnam in 1962. He sent the U.S. Air Force to start bombing. Okay. We took care of Kennedy.

Johnson is trivial. The Indochina war alone, forget the invasion of the Dominican Republic, was a major war crime.

#73 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-07-09 02:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Nixon the same. Nixon invaded Cambodia. The Nixon-Kissinger bombing of Cambodia in the early '70's was not all that different from the Khmer Rouge atrocities, in scale somewhat less, but not much less. Same was true in Laos. I could go on case after case with them, that's easy.

Ford was only there for a very short time so he didn't have time for a lot of crimes, but he managed one major one. He supported the Indonesian invasion of East Timor, which was near genocidal. I mean, it makes Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait look like a tea party. That was supported decisively by the United States, both the diplmatic and the necessary military support came primarily from the United States. This was picked up under Carter.

Carter was the least violent of American presidents but he did things which I think would certainly fall under Nuremberg provisions. As the Indonesian atrocities increased to a level of really near-genocide, the U.S. aid under Carter increased. It reached a peak in 1978 as the atrocities peaked. So we took care of Carter, even forgetting other things.

Reagan. It's not a question. I mean, the stuff in Central America alone suffices. Support for the Israeli invasion of Lebanon also makes Saddam Hussein look pretty mild in terms of casualties and destruction. That suffices.

Bush. Well, need we talk on? In fact, in the Reagan period there's even an International Court of Justice decision on what they call the "unlawful use of force" for which Reagan and Bush were condemned. I mean, you could argue about some of these people, but I think you could make a pretty strong case if you look at the Nuremberg decisions, Nuremberg and Tokyo, and you ask what people were condemned for. I think American presidents are well within the range. -- chomsky

#74 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-07-09 02:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

By KATIE GLUECK | 12/5/13 4:15 PM EST

Texas Sen. Ted Cruz told conservative activists in a speech Thursday that his vigorous attempts to derail Obamacare -- including leading the effort to shut down the government -- were being vindicated in the wake of the health reform plan's botched roll-out. He also offered encouragement to a group that faced fierce criticism following the shooting death of Trayvon Martin.

Read more: www.politico.com

I guess we could start with this.

#75 | Posted by Zed at 2014-07-09 02:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

By MANU RAJU | 10/2/13 7:31 PM EDT Updated: 10/3/13 2:45 PM EDT

Ted Cruz faced a barrage of hostile questions Wednesday from angry GOP senators, who lashed the Texas tea party freshman for helping prompt a government shutdown crisis without a strategy to end it.

At a closed-door lunch meeting in the Senate's Mansfield Room, Republican after Republican pressed Cruz to explain how he would propose to end the bitter budget impasse with Democrats, according to senators who attended the meeting. A defensive Cruz had no clear plan to force an end to the shutdown -- or explain how he would defund Obamacare, as he has demanded all along, sources said.

Read more: www.politico.com

#76 | Posted by Zed at 2014-07-09 02:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Christ, I don't know why anyone bothers. Its recent history. It was a national story. Bob Sheiffer laughed at Cruz because of it. You lived through it. It was posted and debated here, and you Yahoos seem to have lost all of it.

You're dishonest or crazy. Both, maybe.

#77 | Posted by Zed at 2014-07-09 02:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

....Ah! that half term Governor Palin.....all she wants to do is

......throw "peaches" at the potus....me thinks she's nuts!!

#78 | Posted by saginawmi at 2014-07-09 06:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Amazing the pathetic whining when the out of touch GOP can't win elections.

Better get used to it, after these fiasco's GOP won't even be elected dog catcher.

Don't cha knowwww.

#79 | Posted by drewl at 2014-07-10 11:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

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