Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Wednesday, July 09, 2014

Derrick Clifton, Mic: With so many cultural and political divisions in America's social fabric, how we interpret any single image can change completely based on who is being represented. ... [Holly Fisher] celebrated the Fourth of July by taunting her pro-choice detractors, with another photo flaunting her unyielding belief in her idea of God, country and freedom. ... Struck by the dissonance felt while seeing Fisher's gun, flag and Bible-clad image, one detractor drew a stark juxtaposition. To prove a point, he placed Fisher's photo alongside a fundamentalist Muslim woman, also wielding a gun, with holy text and set to the backdrop of a flag. It's certainly a "holy trinity."

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The difference? In one image, the woman is being hailed generally as a hero. In the other, those same people who are so quick to celebrate nationalism, mixed with religion and enthusiasm about guns, immediately assume the other woman is a terrorist. ...

The photo now retains the moniker "Jihad Barbie." It's an imperfect metaphor, but not a wholly inept one. All you have to do is switch Fisher's clothing, the flag and the holy text in order to understand the common denominator: Both are examples of religious fundamentalism run amok.

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I am not going to say that majority of fundamentalist in the US are anywhere near as bad as we see in other parts of the world. But the fact is that the overly religious will refuse to admit that parallels even exist between themselves and the religious zealots in the middle east.

#1 | Posted by schmanch at 2014-07-08 11:46 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

She's more of an attention whore than an extremist. Not that hard to figure out how to get positive feedback from ideological hacks.

#2 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-08 11:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

Acapulco H.E.A.T.

#3 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-07-08 01:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

TaliBaptist Barbie and Jihad Barbie.

They now come as a set.

Good eye, Lee.

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-08 01:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

How their brains can deal with the dissonance of a gun in one hand and a Bible in the other is truly amazing.

#5 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2014-07-08 01:48 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

"How their brains can deal with the dissonance of a gun in one hand and a Bible in the other is truly amazing."

And how is that?
Have you read the bible?
There are plenty of examples where violence was called for by God.
There is no dissonance.

#6 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-08 03:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

How their brains can deal with the dissonance of a gun in one hand and a Bible in the other is truly amazing.
#5 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2014-07-08 01:48 PM

The video of the Murrieta conservatives turning back the buses of children has one woman screaming "JESUS WOULDN'T BREAK THE LAW!" Teahadists are not only truly amazing, but truly STUPID.

#7 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-07-08 03:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

I wonder if we can apply this shameful attempt at logic to other things?

Obama outside in Chicago smoking a cigarette is now the same as Capone?

Hitler practicing in the mirror and Al sharpton posing in speeches?

or these two.
s1.ibtimes.com

cdn.memegenerator.net

Point is that composition of a picture equaling the equivalency of ideals is absolutely absurd. This is just more divisive BS, pretend like the other is a bad person so you can avoid any dealing with legitimacy to opposing opinion. Don;t forget to call the extreme or fundamentalist, that way they are less then human and okay to hate.

#8 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-08 03:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wrong again, newt. The 2 photos are EXACTLY the same.

#9 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2014-07-08 03:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

The 2 photos are EXACTLY the same."

And as i said from similar composition you are magically able to decipher the ideas of the person?

I get it, it's a chance to hate. But it does not make it any less asinine.

#11 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-08 03:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

Salamanda is a perfect example of what I was talking about in #1. Keep talking, you are only reinforcing my point.

#12 | Posted by schmanch at 2014-07-08 06:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Salamanda is a perfect example of what I was talking about in #1. Keep talking, you are only reinforcing my point."

If you are a hammer everything looks like a nail. If you want to parallels and apply ideals, it does not matter what is real you will.
See the examples i gave, no less valid. To tell the truth they are exactly as valid which of course is equal to ZERO.

I have eaten at restaurants that serial killers have eaten, does that make me like them?

I have walked streets that have been walked by rapists and murderers. I'm sure you could have captured photo's that were similar.

But the fact does not change. A mere image is no gauge of intent nor ideal. Any parallel you draw as to motivation or ideology is pure projection on your part.
The idea that surface similarities mean anything is absurd. We all eat and poop are we all the same? Are all interests shared indicative of ideology? No, no reasonable person would say that. Let go of the forced reaction.

#13 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-08 06:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Once again, I am not saying they represent the exact same ideals, but you want to deny the completely obvious similarities. There exist parallels within those two pictures that run much deeper than you want to believe.

#14 | Posted by schmanch at 2014-07-08 07:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

I have eaten at restaurants that serial killers have eaten, does that make me like them?

Funny how your rebuttals seem to be intentionally vague.

Here Sal, let me spell it out for you.

Both are violently religious and nationalistic to the point of thinking their way is the way.

Of course their are differences.

It's telling that that is your focus (along with obtuse "rebuttal" examples) instead of the point being made, which is spelled out quite clearly in the article.

#15 | Posted by jpw at 2014-07-09 12:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

There was no point made. It was an ahem article that was fabricating a story. But that seems to be unclear to some, I guess the intended audience. But if we must delve into this to see what should be known instantly then so be it. Read what I wrote. It's not about the pictures it's about what is in your own mind, it is projection. That is the reason I enumerated a few examples that are ridiculous. The point was that if that's the game you want to play then my examples are just as valid. However to an objective and reasonable mind none of them or the one in the story are legitimate comparisons. And we can go further. There is not much but the girls original picture in front of hobby lobby and the Bible flag and gun one to go off as context but even that little bit sheds a great deal of light on this. It is clear that in the first picture she combine three things that she thought would get a rise out of progs, it worked. So she picked three more. It worked again. This time so well that national character assassination was the route chosen by those offended. To accomplish this an image of similar composition was selected to attempt to attribute an ideology that was not expressed. In doing so the closed minded and hateful nature of those pros is displayed. The similarities have no meaning to anyone who has not decided to hate her already or is offended by one or more of the items displayed. It's in your mind, simple as that. In reality there are enough pictures floating around that the chances of finding a simular one by a bad person are incredibly likely. But her motives are clear enough and made clear by the requests for a bible a gun and a flag on her twitter account. But that does not matter something you saw offended you, which of the three was it? I'm sure her husband, an American soldier who deals with terrorists does not share your oppinion. So what makes your opinion more valid then hers, her husbands, or the rational people's? Why must reality be discarded for projection when something you do not like is encountered?

#16 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-09 01:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

I can play your game. You are putting the ownnes on "liberals" for seeing something you don't want to admit about the similarities in the photos. Perhaps it is you who is not seeing the obvious, rather than me seeing what I want to see.

#17 | Posted by schmanch at 2014-07-09 07:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

Did her stunt "backfire spectacularly"? Not if the intent to was to get attention!

#18 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-07-09 07:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

There are plenty of examples where violence was called for by God.

Sure, but that's Old Testament God. New Testament God is more like hippie Jesus and would be appalled by this selfie queen posing with a gun and Bible like a jihadist.

#19 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-09 09:28 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Obama outside in Chicago smoking a cigarette is now the same as Capone?

That's nothing like Jihad Barbie posing with a gun and holy book just like a terrorist.

You are pathetically bad at making comparisons to deflect criticism of one of your sacred cows. You put words together but the end result is a nonsensical and horrifying spectacle, like watching Elaine dance on Seinfeld.

#20 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-09 11:08 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

I have eaten at restaurants that serial killers have eaten, does that make me like them?

Have you posed for a photo in front of a flag with a big gun in one hand and a holy book in the other?

Because if you have, that's a lot like posing in front of a flag with a big gun in one hand and a holy book in the other.

To say otherwise is spectacularly absurd.

#21 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-09 11:12 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 6 | Newsworthy 1

Have you posed for a photo in front of a flag with a big gun in one hand and a holy book in the other?
Because if you have, that's a lot like posing in front of a flag with a big gun in one hand and a holy book in the other.

LOL. FF

#22 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-09 11:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

Holy ----- Batman.

That was ---- funny Rcade.

#23 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-07-09 11:27 AM | Reply | Flag:

"seeing something you don't want to admit about the similarities in the photos. Perhaps it is you who is not seeing the obvious, rather than me seeing what I want to see."

I see the similarities in the photos. I never said they looked nothing alike but the motivations are completely a construct of your mind.

#24 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-09 11:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

"New Testament God is more like hippie Jesus and would be appalled by this selfie queen posing with a gun and Bible like a jihadist."

Really?
Jesus is noW anti-bible anti country and anti gun?

That's a bit absurd don't you think?

#25 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-09 11:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

In both cases, the fault lies in a group of people taking their narrow view of what it means to have religious convictions, and their tendency to project those beliefs onto everyone else. Both radical Islam and Fisher's brand of conservative Christianity are fringe elements of larger, more global faith communities, but are nowhere close to being representative of the whole. While having faith beliefs -- and even non-beliefs -- is a freedom everyone can and should have, it becomes toxic and unnecessarily polarizing when those views are positioned in oppressive and controlling ways.

Well said. Agree 100%

#26 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-09 11:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

but the motivations are completely a construct of your mind

And a construct of your mind as well. I see nothing showing any motive in either picture; nothing shows the "why" of it AKA motivation.

They are pictures and while a picture may be worth 1000 words, it contains none of them; we add them all according to what We want the picture to mean.

#27 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-09 11:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

They go out of their way to prove Obama correct on the crazies clinging to their religion and their guns.

#28 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-09 11:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

"To say otherwise is spectacularly absurd."

Not nearly as absurd as pretending that you know anything about this girl.
If you bothered to look you would find that she was asked to do it by some twitter followers because her first picture hit the trifecta. So she figured grab the next three things progs cannot stand, America, God and guns. And as i said it worked so well that the hatred and bile spewed forth by some on the left is more damning then even what you project on this girl.

Way to treat a soldiers wife by the way. He goes out and fight terrorists and you say his wife is the same. Lot's of respect there. LEts just hope that Obama never wears the same shirt as Putin did or you are going to be in a real pickle, oh wait it only applies to someone you already hate, never mind.

#29 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-09 11:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

Jesus is noW anti-bible anti country and anti gun?

That's a bit absurd don't you think?

Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-09 11:43 AM | Reply

Matthew Chapter 5 says so.

#30 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-09 11:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

" I see nothing showing any motive in either picture; nothing shows the "why" of it AKA motivation. "

Look up the story, the real one not some hit piece. She was spoken to, her twitter account was looked at and it comes out that she is the wife of a soldier in Afghanistan. She had many twitter followers that said things like "all you need are guns a bible and a flag and the liberals would go crazy". So you have requests beforehand, months of statements via twitter and an interview afterword all that say it had nothing to do with that nor is she some fundamentalist. I think using a whole lot more then some spoonfed hate the story becomes clear. But clarity is negated by hatred in the hearts. To the point where she was even called a cow by our Rcade. See, it goes so deep that even though she is an attractive woman there can be no helping the desire to insult the people that are disagreed with. Point is, that i don not apply motivation here but believe what she has claimed. And i do not believe that similar composition of a photo constitutes and deeper meaning then a similar photo.

#31 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-09 11:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

Point is, that i don not apply motivation here but believe what she has claimed.

Point is, you do. You said "I see the similarities in the photos. I never said they looked nothing alike but the motivations are completely a construct of your mind.

#24 | POSTED BY SALAMANDAGATOR AT 2014-07-09 11:41 AM |"

The motives of the Muslim photo is totally a construct of your own mind. You don't know her, why she took the photo. Maybe she had thousands of follower Twittering her to post a photo like that too. You don't know, you made an assumption.

#32 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-09 12:03 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.

38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough."

Luke 22

There is not a condemnation of weapons by Jesus. In fact he spoke that they were necessary. He preached forgiveness but not that we should be defenseless.

#33 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-09 12:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

IN fact, it is funny that the motives are "completely a construct of (our) own mind(s)" yet you know the motives perfectly for why the Christian chick posted her photo.

Hmmmm.....

Is it hard talking out of both sides of your mouth at once while saying different things?

#34 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-09 12:05 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

"The motives of the Muslim photo is totally a construct of your own mind. You don't know her, why she took the photo."

This is true. Based on just the photo i know nothing. But again looking deeper you find that she is a notorious terrorist called the white widow. Who has made her motivations clear. There is no reality is making assumptions based off a single picture, the bigger story shows more and it shows the opposite of what This woman is being accused of.

#35 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-09 12:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm sure the American woman and Arabic woman both feel equally righteous about their strong military/religious and nationalistic feelings. Which is why placing the two phots next to each other is so very appropriate. In the ways that matter, they are the same.

#36 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-07-09 12:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

#31 - You are blind as you claim liberals are. You state that guns bibles, and flags might make liberals go crazy if posed in a picture. By the same standard conservatives love those things in the photo. You then fail to see that those same three things are loved by and held in esteem by the same people you would call terrorists. But you go ahead and prove what I original said in post#1, and act as if there are not a ton of similarities.

#37 | Posted by schmanch at 2014-07-09 12:10 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

ROFLMAO! So you imagine YOU have information nobody else here has? Because you seem to be thinking you are speaking facts where as every other person in this thread is making assumptions.

Truth is you are so eager to attack anyone here you aren't even thinking your own posts through.

#38 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-09 12:10 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"IN fact, it is funny that the motives are "completely a construct of (our) own mind(s)" yet you know the motives perfectly for why the Christian chick posted her photo."

I take her at her word. I think she knows her motivations. And if her word is not good enough there is historical context via her twitter feed that back her up as well along with interviews afterword.

I think that is fair enough to say that what she says is a whole lot closer then what some people who obviously cannot get over her politics want to paint her as without anything but a similar picture.

#39 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-09 12:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

I take her at her word.

More bias you would never take the Muslim woman at her word had she said the same exact thing.

#40 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-09 12:12 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

" So you imagine YOU have information nobody else here has?"

I "imagine" the girl in question does. You think differently?

This "story" does not begin to delve into facts, all it has is the picture. This is the equivalent of a meme exept worse because there are some that actually think this is a thing.

I mean look at what the author said

". But, in reality, this moment shows how social policies impacting a diverse array of Americans are being stymied by cultural stereotyping that artificially elevates one fringe element, while not-so-ironically calling for the automatic, unrepentant demonizing of everyone else."

That little bit of verbal diarrhea represents what was to be the manipulation to hate this girl and it did work. Al you have to do is scroll through the comments and you will even find rape threats. That is the sort of people this author was trying to manipulate, that was the hate he was trying to fan the flame of. It worked.

#41 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-09 12:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

"More bias you would never take the Muslim woman at her word had she said the same exact thing."

That's not true. I have nothing against Muslims and not too much against the British.
Had the white widow not been a notorious terrorist and wanted by many many countries, her word would be just as good. Because pictures never tell the whole story, for all you know a picture of some guy murdering his mother in law could be a gag or even a promo for a movie. But no one would sit there and accuse any actor of actually being the villain or hero he played because we know better, because we have more information. This should be no different.

#42 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-09 12:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Have we resolved the IRS and NSA issues? I was just wondering why some bimbo's twitter account was garnering so much attention. No other straws to grasp at?

#43 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-07-09 12:23 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Not nearly as absurd as pretending that you know anything about this girl.

I haven't said anything about her, other than the fact that her photo makes her look like a wacko jihadist.

But her motivation is pretty obvious: She's an attention seeker.

Stop playing the "soldier's wife" card, as if that makes her immune to criticism. She's an adult putting her thoughts and photos out to 40,000 Twitter followers. That invites the public to comment on and criticize her actions.

#44 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-09 12:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

This "story" does not begin to delve into facts, all it has is the picture.

The picture is the story. An attention seeking Christian right-winger who likes to make people mad on the Internet ended up looking like an Islamic jihadist by posing with a gun and a holy book in front of a flag.

You're dancing as fast as you can because you don't like what the picture reveals.

#45 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-09 12:29 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 5

Her next "liberals will hate this" trifecta photo is planned to feature Joe the Plumber, George Zimmerman and Cliven Bundy sharing her "family style".

#46 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-09 12:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I haven't said anything about her,"

"But her motivation is pretty obvious: She's an attention seeker."

"You're dancing as fast as you can because you don't like what the picture reveals."

Uhh you realize we can all see those right?

But you are right on the second sentence i quoted. It was done, as she said, to piss off the liberals. Basically she played you all like fiddles, but she underestimated the hatred that boils underneath for opposing views.

Are you really going to tell me there is no insulation in this article that she is fundamentalist lite the white widow in this story?
Are you then going to say that those who posted on here blatantly calling that out do not exist?
Come on Rcade, the pictures look alike attributing anything more as you seem to and the author obviously did and other posters have obviously done is ridiculous and i think you know that.
It's a similar picture and leave it at that. No story, no boogyman hiding under the bed, just a similar picture like those that happen all the time. It is incredibly dishonest to claim otherwise based only on a picture.


#47 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-09 12:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Stop playing the "soldier's wife" card, as if that makes her immune to criticism."

I think it is a bit distasteful to attack the wife of a soldier as paramount to what it is he is fighting. But more importantly the info was used as more support that the comparison of this girl to a terrorist is pretty dumb.

#48 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-09 12:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Are you really going to tell me there is no insulation in this article that she is fundamentalist lite the white widow in this story?

I don't know that she's a wacko fundamentalist who fetishizes guns and the flag. I just know she took a photo that makes her look like one.

The photo where she posed with a Chick-fil-A drink to thumb her nose at gays and liberals suggests she's just a dopey attention seeker who will be posing next week burning a soccer ball because Ann Coulter told her only liberals like the sport.

If that's her hobby, great. She's good looking, so if she wants to keep putting photos of herself on the Internet I am in favor of that trend.

#49 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-09 12:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I don't know that she's a wacko fundamentalist who fetishizes guns and the flag."

Good, then you are quite a bit ahead of many other posters here.

". She's good looking, so if she wants to keep putting photos of herself on the Internet I am in favor of that trend."

Seconded.

"The photo where she posed with a Chick-fil-A drink to thumb her nose at gays and liberals suggests she's just a dopey attention seeker who will be posing next week burning a soccer ball because Ann Coulter told her only liberals like the sport."

I thought it was good satire. It had it's intended intent and yet was not blatant. Either way it was better thought out then any of bagley's comics or bill maher crap. So i guess if you apply that universally then that is fine.

#50 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-09 01:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

If that's her hobby, great. She's good looking, so if she wants to keep putting photos of herself on the Internet I am in favor of that trend.

#49 | Posted by rcade

If she would just reveal a bit more flesh Sally would defend her honor even harder (if that is possible, he is already pretty hard for her).

#51 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-07-09 02:14 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

But the fact is that the overly religious will refuse to admit that parallels even exist between themselves and the religious zealots in the middle east.

The Christian wont strap on a bomb and kill innocents, can you say that about the muslim?

The Christian wont cut your head off if you aren't Christian, can you say that about the muslim?

These are two different worlds. No where near the same..

#52 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-09 04:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

There have been several studies that show facts don't affect someone who has their mind made up. No matter how obvious or easily confirmed (the sun will rise in the east tomorrow morning) they just make the subject more firm in their belief that the sun will rise in the west tomorrow. So pointing out facts to Sally, Boaz, and the like is just a waste of time. Sigh.

#53 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2014-07-09 05:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Way to treat a soldiers wife by the way. He goes out and fight terrorists and you say his wife is the same. Lot's of respect there.

Sal,

The next time the realization that you're losing an argument creeps up on you, bow out gracefully.

Don't start flailing Faux News style.

#54 | Posted by jpw at 2014-07-09 05:24 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

"The next time the realization that you're losing an argument creeps up on you, bow out gracefully."

Yup, sure, i guess i lost. All of those who decided what this girls ideology is know far more then she does. After all her words don't matter. Her historical actions do not matter. You have a picture that looks like another picture.

Thanks for setting me straight.
Ill remember that for next time. I guess the yes kid from the meme is actually Mussolini reincarnated.

You do of course realize claiming victory in absence of an argument is no different then admitting you lost right? I just figured i should let you know in case you missed the sarcasm of this post.

#55 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-09 05:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

Thanks for setting me straight.
Ill remember that for next time. I guess the yes kid from the meme is actually Mussolini reincarnated.

If your view on this is that shallow, it's not worth talking to you about.

Unless you assume her beliefs are as shallow as a fist pump?

If you can't at least see the irony in this that is independent of the differences in beliefs, then again, it's not worth discussing with you.

#56 | Posted by jpw at 2014-07-09 08:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Her beliefs are her business. She chose to share them. The thing is that they have nothing to do with fundamentals or domestic terrorism as is insinuated and outright said. You speak of irony and there is plenty. The very people she was making fun of proved themselves to be hateful, foul and closed minded people. Honestly 8th you think a simular picture says more then months of words then that is on you. Comparing her to the terrorist is asinine. Comparing the picture does not say anything other then there are two simular pictures. Sorry but no matter how much some people wish that a tree was more then a tree it is still a tree. A picture is a 2 dimensional representation of something, nothing more. If more is taken from it then that exists in the mind of the person that sees it.

#57 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-09 08:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

www.google.com
Does this mean anything?

#58 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-09 08:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

Take the same picture with a bearded man and folks would consider it a threat. That lady is playing games with divisions within society and bringing guns into the fray as if they are harmless additions to discussion. All I saw when I looked at it was a stupid person who thought she looked cute with an AR15 (or whatever it was) with the flag background, etc. and somehow thinks now she is the darling of every right wing idiot. And she thinks that is a good thing.

#59 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-09 09:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Religion of peace..

www.dailymail.co.uk

The only religion that actively tries to destroy others. You think a Christian would do this to a muslim artifact?

#60 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-09 09:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

The only religion that actively tries to destroy others. You think a Christian would do this to a muslim artifact?

Posted by boaz at 2014-07-09 09:42 PM | Reply

Dubya did in Iraq. He even said that he was on a crusade too.

#61 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-09 09:44 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Sal, you're straining dude.

Your need to excuse the photo is pretty unbelievable.

Those photos are 100% alike. And your inability to accept it is baffling. Or deliberate.

#62 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-09 10:23 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Also Sal, every defense you've applied to Holly Fisher can be applied to the Muslim girl.

Which, has been pointed out to you through out this thread.

#63 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-09 10:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

www.google.com
Does this mean anything?

You're comparing a spontaneous pose any large number of people do on a given day.

The piece linked for the thread is comparing a willful pose with two specific objects and a specific backdrop.

The entire reason the picture is ironic is because of the intentional nature of it. Why is that so hard to admit?

#64 | Posted by jpw at 2014-07-09 10:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Also sal, it's not necessarily her views that are at issue, it's the apparent views of those she was pleasing with that picture. Read the tweet below the picture explaining why she did it.

This girl is just the face on the concept that often we're not nearly as different from the world we sneer at as we'd like to believe we are.

#65 | Posted by jpw at 2014-07-09 10:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

#64

Because as long as Sal has been posting on the DR, he has been unable to admit when he's wrong.

He'd rather run around in circles or deflect or flat out deny the truth than simply open his mind.

Typical conservative.

#66 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-10 12:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

62 I never said they were not alike. I only said adding more then just the pictures look similar comes from the mind of the person looking not the picture itself. It's in the mind of those who want it to be there. As I have stated nothing links the ideology of the two accept a picture. So I provided examples of other simular pictures, note that no one said they mean anything but two similar pictures. See the issue, it does not count except in this case in which this girls stated ideology and politics are ignored because everyone who decides to hate her somehow knows more about who she us then she does. See how ludicrous that is? Attribution of position that is contrary to that persons statements requires a bit more then a satirical photo. But if you wish hate away, her point has been made in spades.

#67 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-10 01:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

64.

Wait so you are really going to say that it does not count if it is spontaneous but it does if it is satire?
She was making fun of how some people get easily uupset by differing oppinion. Yeah people chimed in with other things that progs don't like and now they are also being attributed with negative statement of their idology? Seriously how hard is it to understand that it was to get a rise out of the close minded. Regardless of if she meant for the picture to look simular or not she played a part, no different then an actor. Is an actor the role they play? No, so why would you say she is even though she has tons of statements that say otherwise? Again I say, if you are a hammer then everything looks like a nail. If you are looking for something, you will find it even if you have to create it from your own projection.

#68 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-10 01:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

But if you wish hate away, her point has been made in spades.

I don't hate either of the girls.

I'm sure the Muslim girl is trying to look cool and was also doing it for fun. I don't see anything in her picture that would suggest otherwise.

So we agree.

Both pictures are of girls having a good time.

#69 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-10 01:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

Context my dear fellow. The Muslim girl is the infamous white widow. A terrorist. Applying her statements and actions she can be said to be a bad person. That is what the implication that the girl in the story is equated to. But looking at the context of her a very different story comes to light. That context shows the similarities pretty much stop at the photo. Which is what I have said. One was was making a satirical statement and the other a terrorist statement. Equating the two is dishonest and unsupportable given context. Thus any original actual belief must stem from projection.

#70 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-10 02:27 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I'm sure the Muslim girl is trying to look cool and was also doing it for fun. I don't see anything in her picture that would suggest otherwise.
#69 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

I suspect you wouldn't even if proven otherwise...

#71 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-10 02:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

2 peas in the same religious pod.

#72 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-10 02:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

Oh.

So.

The Muslim girl with a Koran and a gun is a terrorist.

But, the Christian girl with a bible and a gun is just having fun.

Right.

You're a prejudiced bigot.

Get off your soap box dumb dumb.

#73 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-10 04:22 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I'm sure the Muslim girl is trying to look cool and was also doing it for fun. I don't see anything in her picture that would suggest otherwise.
#69 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

I suspect you wouldn't even if proven otherwise...
#71 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS AT 2014-07-10 02:49 AM | FLAG:

Right, this coming from the person that's giving a clear stamp of approval to Jihad Barbie.

Either both pictures are disgraceful, chauvinistic, displays of religious fundamentalism or both pictures are just girls having fun.

Which is it?

#74 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-10 04:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

You could stand a NAZI and an American soldier side by side, switch their uniforms, and you wouldn't be able to distinguish one from the other. You could stand a progressive communist professor along side a freedom loving constitutionalist professor and not be able to visually identify one from the other. Good and evil is not necessarily visually distinguishable so the authors point is somewhat pedestrian if not asinine.
religious fundamentalism run amok ?
"So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth." ~ Rev 3:16

#76 | Posted by lel2007 at 2014-07-10 06:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

My post from #1 has been proven several times over throughout this entire thread. Those people that give approval to Jihad Barbie's photo can not admit even for a second that there exist parallels between the two photos that run deeper than the surface.

#77 | Posted by schmanch at 2014-07-10 07:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Good and evil is not necessarily visually distinguishable so the authors point is somewhat pedestrian if not asinine."

Good and evil are also not necessarily what you think they are viewing the world from within the narrow view of someone that defines anyone as a "freedom loving constitutionalist professor" as if your point of view really stands for freedom or the constitution.
I notice that so many folks these days believe that if they claim the word "freedom" then they own it, if they claim the "constitution" then they own that too.
Some of the most evil bastards in our history would have claimed to be "freedom loving constitutionalists," as I am sure the corporate five on the SC do today.

#78 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-10 08:18 AM | Reply | Flag:


Both pictures are of girls having a good time.

#69 | Posted by ClownShack

Ask both to strap on a bomb, go down to the local café and detonate..

Which one will say yes and which one will say no? Look deep within yourself and be truthful....

But you are a liberal and you will lie to yourself for ideological reasons...

#79 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-10 09:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Ask both to strap on a bomb, go down to the local café and detonate..

Which one will say yes and which one will say no? Look deep within yourself and be truthful...."

They have disparate access to resources. Of course the American isn't going to strap on a bomb. She would never even be put in a position where she'd have to kill the people she hates with her own hands. But she'd encourage others to do it for her.

#80 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-10 09:33 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Ask both to strap on a bomb, go down to the local café and detonate..
Which one will say yes and which one will say no? Look deep within yourself and be truthful....
But you are a liberal and you will lie to yourself for ideological reasons...
#79 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2014-07-10 09:13 AM | FLAG:

Replace "café" with "abortion clinic"...

But of course.

Don't let your overwhelming hatred for Muslims blind you to the fact Jihad Barbie is no better than jihadi Muslim chick.

#81 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-10 10:02 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

" Those people that give approval to Jihad Barbie's photo can not admit even for a second that there exist parallels between the two photos that run deeper than the surface."

It's tough to admit something that is the fabrication of someone elses warped mind.

#82 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-10 11:27 AM | Reply | Flag:

putting the ownnes on "liberals"

#17 | POSTED BY SCHMANCH

The word is onus, ----.

#83 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-07-10 11:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Don't let your overwhelming hatred for Muslims blind you to the fact Jihad Barbie is no better than jihadi Muslim chick."

Nice the American citizen, wife of a soldier, law abiding citizen who happens to like to make fun of the closed minded left is no better then the wanted terrorist who is at least partially responsible for the deaths of many innocents.

Nice.

#84 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-10 11:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

Sal, do you have enough integrity to acknowledge the dishonesty of most of your posts on this thread? You are absurd. And trying to shield her behavior by repeatedly cloaking her with the title of 'wife of a soldier' is both lame and disingenunous given the circumstances

#85 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-07-10 11:45 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#83 - Holly crap, I am sorry. Did my comments offend you so much that you felt the need to try and insult me with your grammar correction.

#86 | Posted by schmanch at 2014-07-10 11:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

The defenders of jihad barbie here are really having a hard time with the fact that three of there sacred cows, (guns, religion, and jingoistic fervor) happen to be three things that middle eastern terrorist like an awful lot as well.
And yes I understand that generally speaking the foreign version tends to be much more extreme, but it does not change the similarities.

#87 | Posted by schmanch at 2014-07-10 12:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Replace "café" with "abortion clinic"...

Really? You said that? LOL. and when was the last time a christian strapped herself with a bomb at an Abortion clinic? How much ya wanna bet I can find several muslim examples at the café and they will WAY outnumber any example from the 70's you might find?

#88 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-10 12:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Religious nationalism is the result of low intelligence and bad upbringing. Fact is, the religious nationalist christians in america WOULD BE religious wackjob jihadists if they had been born in iraq instead of alabama.

Right wing extremists are nothing more than american Sunnis. Suspicious of education, enforcing religious values on the non-religious, against contraception and abortion, against progress of any kind, thinking their religion is the only correct one, the similarities go on and on.

Hilarious that our christian bible thumpers hate the muslims so much. They are really hating another version of THEMSELVES.

#89 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-07-10 12:03 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

""Ask both to strap on a bomb, go down to the local café and detonate.."

First you would have to invade both of their countries equally and wreak havoc in them equally, kill as many men, women and children equally, etc. before they would have equal motivation to strap on a bomb.

#90 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-10 12:08 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Well Speaksoftly,

The Christians in your country aren't trying to kill you, the others you speak so fondly of are..

#91 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-10 12:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Christians in your country aren't trying to kill you, the others you speak so fondly of are..

#91 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-10 12:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Our former president tried to get you killed by sending you to Iraq for no national purpose after "praying on it" and you'd still shine his shoes with your tongue if he would consescend to let you.

#93 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-10 12:19 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

" do you have enough integrity to acknowledge the dishonesty "

What dishonest thing have i said?
If anything at all it is a perception thing.
And perception is subjective.

"And trying to shield her behavior by repeatedly cloaking her with the title of 'wife of a soldier' is both lame and disingenunous given the circumstances"

Given the circumstances?
The circumstances there the context is being intentionally disregarded to paint this person as someone who she obviously is not? You speak of dishonestly but do not see the issue with making claims that are counter to what all evidence aside from a satirical picture says? Come now, the density required so such a position as that is astronomical.

Yes, she is a soldiers wife. Does that mean she gets a pass? No. Does that mean that she has a dog in the fight so to speak? Yes. Does that mean she is a whole lot less likely to be willing to act as those her husband is actively fighting? I think that is reasonably certain.

Her behavior is not being shielded by that, she has done nothing wrong. She needs no one to excuse her actions, satire is perfectly acceptable. What is unacceptable is the reaction of those who decide they do not like her so want to assassinate her character by stating something that is patently and obviously untrue.
No one would accuse an actor of being the person they play.
No one would accuse an author of being someone they wrote.
But she gets different treatment because you don't like her politics.
Funny how that works, talk about disingenuous.

#94 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-10 12:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

Good deflection Sully,

Keep ignoring the brutality and deceitfulness of the liberal baby Islam.

#95 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-10 12:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Keep ignoring the brutality and deceitfulness of the liberal baby Islam."

There's nothing liberal about Islam. Are you willfully ignorant?

#96 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-07-10 12:48 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Keep ignoring the brutality and deceitfulness of the liberal baby Islam.

#95 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-10 12:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm don't go easy on Islam. I say very critical things about Islam and Muslims all the time. They're no sacred cow to me.

My point was that despite your pretentions to the contrary, you allow your political affiliation to force you to look the other way when certain people screw you over too. You're just as much of a sucker as liberals who think playing nice-nice with jihadists will get them to stop hating them. The dogma is different but the end resullt of allowing other people to feed you your positions is that you're a total sucker.

#97 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-10 12:54 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

""Ask both to strap on a bomb, go down to the local café and detonate.."

First you would have to invade both of their countries equally and wreak havoc in them equally, kill as many men, women and children equally, etc. before they would have equal motivation to strap on a bomb.

#90 | Posted by danni

Think Boaz is capable of asking himself WHY it is that the Islamic Extremists believe so strongly in what they are doing that they would literally kill themselves for it? Perhaps we should find out why that is maybe?

We will not strap bombs on ourselves and die for anything. WE will, however, use guns though. And we will blow up other peoples stuff and we will send others to die for us. (Most of whom have no real idea why they are dying.)

So what really makes us so much different or better than THEM again?

Our gadgets. We have really great gadgets.

Our Culture sometimes leaves a lot to be desired.


#98 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-07-10 03:30 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

I see them both employing images to manipulate others' thoughts, when the Bible and the Koran each prohibit the use of images.

#99 | Posted by FlyUntied at 2014-07-10 03:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

"We will not strap bombs on ourselves and die for anything. WE will, however, use guns though. And we will blow up other peoples stuff and we will send others to die for us. (Most of whom have no real idea why they are dying.)"

-most ideas are to kill for, not to die for

#100 | Posted by FlyUntied at 2014-07-10 03:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well Speaksoftly,

The Christians in your country aren't trying to kill you, the others you speak so fondly of are..

#91 | Posted by boaz

No one is trying to kill me. I don't fall for the war on terror bullcrap like you do.

I'm sure people over there hate our country, but that's a result of our military screwing around with their hemisphere. The solution is to stop military and corporate imperialism.

#101 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-07-10 04:38 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Umpteen Posted by salamandagator

Geez...what an idiot.

.

#102 | Posted by Dave at 2014-07-10 07:38 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"Keep ignoring the brutality and deceitfulness of the liberal baby Islam."
There's nothing liberal about Islam. Are you willfully ignorant?
#96 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2014-07-10 12:48 PM | FLAG:

You realize your talking to Boaz right?

#103 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-10 09:23 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"Don't let your overwhelming hatred for Muslims blind you to the fact Jihad Barbie is no better than jihadi Muslim chick."

Nice the American citizen, wife of a soldier, law abiding citizen who happens to like to make fun of the closed minded left is no better then the wanted terrorist who is at least partially responsible for the deaths of many innocents.
Nice.
#84 | POSTED BY SALAMANDAGATOR AT 2014-07-10 11:38 AM | FLAG:

What difference does anything you wrote make?

None?

You just wanted to vomit up some ad hominem bull?

Good for you.

I think what Jihad Barbie really did was put in your face just how similar fundamentalists are and it's chapping your hide.

Also, in your ridiculous rant your blaming the Muslim girl for the "death of innocents", who has she killed?

And "Jihad Barbie is making fun of the close minded left?"

Looks more like she's displaying her terrorist Christian fundamentalist views and is getting called out on it.

Why not vomit up some more ad hominem BS in her defense. It's working brilliantly.

#104 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-10 09:36 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Struck by the dissonance felt while seeing Fisher's gun, flag and Bible-clad image,"

Yep felt that too.

#105 | Posted by Tor at 2014-07-10 09:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Salamandagator:
you still around? I thought that you would go the way of LOKISFUR when you proven to be an idiot over and over and over.

Oh, wait, you're a right-winger. Stand up again so you can be knocked down again.

#106 | Posted by e1g1 at 2014-07-10 10:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

The only religion that actively tries to destroy others. You think a Christian would do this to a muslim artifact?

#60 | Posted by boaz

Guess that depends on where you live.

Feb 7 2014
BANGUI, Central African Republic – Tens of thousands of Muslims are fleeing to neighboring countries by plane and truck as Christian militias stage brutal attacks, shattering the social fabric of this war-ravaged nation.

In towns and villages as well as here in the capital, Christian vigilantes wielding machetes have killed scores of Muslims, who are a minority here, and burned and looted their houses and mosques in recent days, according to witnesses, aid agencies and peacekeepers. Tens of thousands of Muslims have fled their homes.

The cycle of chaos is fast becoming one of the worst outbreaks of violence along Muslim-Christian fault lines in recent memory in sub-Saharan Africa, tensions that have also plagued countries such as Nigeria and Sudan.

The brutalities began to escalate when the country's first Muslim leader, Michel Djotodia, stepped down and went into exile last month. Djotodia, who had seized power in a coup last March, had been under pressure from regional leaders to resign. His departure was meant to bring stability to this poor country, but humanitarian and human rights workers say there is more violence now than at any time since the coup.

"Civilians remain in constant fear for their lives and have been largely left to fend for themselves," Martine Flokstra, emergency coordinator for the aid agency Doctors Without Borders, said in a statement Friday, adding that the violence had reached "extreme and unprecedented" levels.

On Friday, thousands of Muslims hopped aboard trucks packed with their possessions, protected by soldiers from Chad, and drove out of Bangui, as Christians cheered their departures or tried to loot the trucks as they drove through Christian areas. At least one Muslim man, who fell from a truck, was killed by a mob. Meanwhile, thousands more Muslims huddled at the airport in a crowded hangar, waiting to be evacuated.

Tens of thousands of Muslims flee Christian militias in Central African Republic

#107 | Posted by soulfly at 2014-07-10 10:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

Salamandagator:
you still around? I thought that you would go the way of LOKISFUR when you proven to be an idiot over and over and over.
Oh, wait, you're a right-winger. Stand up again so you can be knocked down again.
#106 | POSTED BY E1G1 AT 2014-07-10 10:47 PM |

Sal's a fighter, no stupid is too much for him to undertake.

#108 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-11 12:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

104. Seriously? Look up the white widdow. See what you find. If you are going to argue you might as well have at least some inkling of what you are talking about. But I guess it makes more sense that you had no idea who she is. Because I doubt even you would equate this girl to the actual real terrorist if you were informed.
But it is funny you should mention character attacks as if I were the one doing them while that is absolutely everything you have against this girl. No worries though you are just more proof how the left cannot stand any other thought then their own.

#109 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-11 01:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

But it is funny you should mention character attacks as if I were the one doing them while that is absolutely everything you have against this girl.

Are you really this [...]ing dense?

Do you think the "terrorist" went to Wal-Mart and bout a "terrorist" costume complete with weapon and holy book props? No. In her mind she isn't a "terrorist" at all. She's fighting for her country and faith.

For the girl in the photos, it's a cop out to say she's doing it to stick it in the eye of "liberal" opponents. She's only sticking it in the eye of her perceived opponent if she's accurately portraying the antithesis of said opponent; namely God, country and guns. If she herself doesn't believe in at least most of them, how is it sticking it in the eye of anyone?

You have to be a desperate mother [...]er to believe this girl posed in this way without the implicit message at least being partially true.

No worries though you are just more proof how the left cannot stand any other thought then their own.

LOL right. Because the right is so so so tolerant of opposing thoughts.

Call Bill Frist. Terry Schiavo is posting on the DR.

#110 | Posted by jpw at 2014-07-11 05:17 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

The woman in the photo is either a real believer in God, guns and country, or posing for the picture to illicit a specific type of reaction from the viewer.

That woman in the photo could possibly be described as a patriot or a terrorist.

The woman in the photo probably has as many supporters as those who revile what she stands for.

Can you tell which woman I am referring to based on these descriptors?

No?

I think that is the whole point of the article.

#111 | Posted by Sezu at 2014-07-11 11:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

She is a troll. Look how many of you bags she reeled in.

#112 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-07-11 12:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

"She's only sticking it in the eye of her perceived opponent if she's accurately portraying the antithesis of said opponent; namely God, country and guns. If she herself doesn't believe in at least most of them, how is it sticking it in the eye of anyone?"

Well it becomes more clear that she was right on the money with at least a decent amount of them.

You again are missing the point. Believing in guns country and God are not negative things as they are portrayed in attempt to vilify this girl. The connotation is that she is no different because she has those things. But any reasonable thought would bring to to realize that nearly half of american would have these things. The difference is she took a satirical picture but do you really think that shield you from drawing the same conclusion of anyone who enjoys the country, guns and God?

It's absurd to say that a intentionally satirical picture trumps everything else she has ever done and therefore you are justified in equating her to a terrorist. And the deal is that i think you know this.

I am sorry if she offended your sensitivity. But that was her intention. She succeed in shining a light on the leftist hatred in a far greater fashion then she probably ever imagined.

#113 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-11 12:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

"She is a troll. Look how many of you bags she reeled in."

The funny thing is that she said that with the pictures and still some bit.

#114 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-11 12:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Can you tell which woman I am referring to based on these descriptors? "

Easily.
The terrorist is not standing in front of her countries flag, or any countries flag.

But most importantly it is noted that you remove all other context to try and make a point and still failed.

Did you happen to notice that only one of them made it perfectly clear that they were making fun of someone?
Did you happen to notice that one of them has a history of violence and terrorism and the other the exact opposite?
Did you happen to notice that one of them is wanted in connection with many acts of terrorism among other crimes while the other does not hide her identity nor location?
Did you happen to notice that one of them helped her husband carry out a suicide bombing while the others husband is actively out fighting those kinds of terrorists?

No?
Maybe you should look a little closer and read a little more.

#115 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-11 12:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

Did you happen to notice that one of them helped her husband carry out a suicide bombing while the others husband is actively out fighting those kinds of terrorists?

Yea. I noticed. The Muslim girl's husband is actively fighting terrorist on his home soul while Jihad Barbie's husband is terrorizing a nation of people and murdering innocents in the name of oil corporations.

You have a point?

No?

Again all you have is as hominem?

Sal's defense wrapped up in a nutshell, "Jihad Barbie's outfit it hot! And her husband is a soldier. Whereas Muslim girls outfit is scary, and her husband is a soldier."

Sal. RCade should of banned you for being a troll.

You give Eddie a run for his money as most obtuse poster on the DR.

And you're giving Corky a run for his money on most stubborn poster on the DR.

Congratulations.

Your the trifecta of useless dumb and stubborn.

At least you're reveling in your stupidity.

#116 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-11 12:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

She is a troll. Look how many of you bags she reeled in.

#112 | POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE AT 2014-07-11 12:05 PM | FLAG:

You're right 101.

Sal is a troll.

Or incredibly obtuse and stubborn.

#117 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-11 01:03 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

"Again all you have is as hominem?"

Do you know what that term even means?
You might just want to look it up, especially before calling someone else stupid.

"Sal's defense wrapped up in a nutshell, "Jihad Barbie's outfit it hot! And her husband is a soldier. Whereas Muslim girls outfit is scary, and her husband is a soldier.""

Why do you even bother when even you have to know how much lying you have to do to pretend like that is anything close.

You whine when i point out the differences in the person and make a claim that it is ad hominem(in error) and yet all you have is "you hate muslims" when nothing of the sort has been said whatsoever.

You have to ask yourself, if you need to lie so much to justify your hate do you really have a reason to hate?

#118 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-11 01:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wow. Remove all context and you could tell all those things simply by looking at the pictures?

Omniscience must be a wonderful gift, (I'll bet you could really rake in the cash at the county fair at the guess your weight/occupation stand if you chose to).

So you can enjoy your feeling of superiority... I did not know any history on either one of those photos prior to seeing them. I simply saw two photos. If I HAD read about them, then I would have known more, but then that opinion would have been based on info OTHER than the photos. Since I had no prior knowledge of them, I could only draw upon what I was actually seeing. What I saw were remarkably similar.

But if I'm hearing you correctly.....with all context removed, you have 2 young women, holding weapons, and a holy book while standing in front of a flag striking the same pose, but they bear absolutely no similarities to each other?

Yeah................ok.

#119 | Posted by Sezu at 2014-07-11 01:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

"But if I'm hearing you correctly.....with all context removed, you have 2 young women, holding weapons, and a holy book while standing in front of a flag striking the same pose, but they bear absolutely no similarities to each other?"

Not at all, what i am saying is that the pictures look alike but there is no meaning in that. They are similar in that they each took a picture that resemble one another. Any meaning to that comes from the mind of the observer.

That is the point, there are so many that want to vilify this girl based on a photo. But to do that they have to remove all context. And i am not just talking about info you can find by looking for it but even the caption itself shows what the picture is about. No one should have been able to be fooled into thinking there was any meaning behind the similarities but when there is already a propensity to find anyone who does not mach you as a terrible person then that projection is all you have. Thus we can see those who liken her to a terrorist even though she has done absolutely nothing that would ever be considered terrorist. It is dishonest but the negativity blinds reason with some.

#120 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-11 01:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Again all you have is ad hominem?"
Do you know what that term even means?
You might just want to look it up, especially before calling someone else stupid.

Yea dumb dumb, here read:

Ad Hominem:

1: appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect

2: marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made

The whole, "Her husband is a soldier", is pure ad hominem and its your only defense.

Also, the whole "white widow pose" and "She's a terrorist!", is also ad hominem.

Your inability to view the photographs objectively is blatant.

Your need to excuse Jihad Barbie is overwhelmingly pathetic.

The fact you have to write an essay every time you need to defend your obtuse statements shows how much you're straining to spin this into something other that two dumb fundamentalist girls taking pictures they shouldn't have of.

whats your strategy? "If I can't be right I'm going to bludgeon them with stupidity until they give up caring to respond?"

It's been working like a charm.

You've pretty much gotten everyone to stop responding to you.

Mission Accomplished!

#121 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-11 02:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sal's defense wrapped up in a nutshell, "Jihad Barbie's outfit it hot! And her husband is a soldier. Whereas Muslim girls outfit is scary, and her husband is a soldier."

Why do you even bother when even you have to know how much lying you have to do to pretend like that is anything close.

Who's lying?

your posting history on this thread reads exactly as I stated.

You are a moron.

You want to bang Jihad Barbie and you're scared of the Muslim girl.

you've lost the argument. get on with your life loser.

#122 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-11 02:16 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

"The whole, "Her husband is a soldier", is pure ad hominem and its your only defense."

Are you completely unable to read?
Only defense?
That is the smallest part of many many that i have brought forth. I find it very telling that you intentionally ignore everything else because you know very well that there is no legitimate comparison.

"Also, the whole "white widow pose" and "She's a terrorist!", is also ad hominuem."

Which definition are you using?
Because she is not my opponent here and who she is and what she stands for is the issue.

If it is prejudice that you are talking about then look at the conversation. A prejudice is not an objective look at the actions of a person but a dislike based on who they are, not what they have done. Notice that nowhere have i said anything about disliking her for who she is only for being a terrorist who is wanted in connection with many crimes. See the difference?
You might want to take the blinders off if you still cannot.

But i hope the irony is not lost on you that you would claim that i am running on ad hominem attacks for bringing in the actual context while at the same time creating strawmen and fabrications to discredit my argument by calling me racist.

And i still find it funny that you cannot respond to the fact that she was playing a part to make fun of people like you and its accuracy is absolutely confirmed by your absurd reaction to it.

But by all means continue to pretend that i have made ad hominem attacks and pretend you are anything but blinded by your inherently need to hate those different. It is funny to watch you confirm exactly what she was saying.

#123 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-11 02:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

"you've lost the argument."

What argument?

All you have said is "never mind anything else, look at the picture"
Oh and then add in a few mindless insults.
That does not an argument make.
Nor does claiming to win one mean anything but that you know you have no leg to stand on.

#124 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-11 02:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Which definition are you using?

1: appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect

2: marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made

Take your choice. All your arguments throughout this thread have been one or the other.

You're debating based on subjectivity.

the pictures are the exact same.

the girls are the exact same.

Religious fundamentalists are all crazy yahoos that should be treated as pariahs.

#125 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-11 02:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

LOL!

Sally, You can stupid as much as you want to.

choose to view the pictures however your heart desires.

fundamentalists stick together so defend her with all you can muster.

but the only person you've convincing of anything is yourself.

im out.

have as many final words as you want until you write something you can pretend to believe in.

#126 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-11 02:23 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

"You're debating based on subjectivity."

No i am debating based on context.

"the girls are the exact same."
That makes you an ass. You know nothing about them but want to paint them as the same because you can't stand anyone who believes in something you do not and makes fun of you for your narrow mindedness.


"Take your choice. All your arguments throughout this thread have been one or the other."

If you actually believe that than Your comprehension skills are dwarfed by my 6yo's.

"Religious fundamentalists are all crazy yahoos that should be treated as pariahs."

And without any evidence of such you condemn this girl to that concept. Grow up, just because someone has a different opinion and makes fun of yours is not reason to hate.

But again it is funny that in your effort to demonize this girl not only have you shown her right but made it clear that your irrational hatred and intolerance for ideas puts you far, far closer to the terrorist than anything this girl has done.

#127 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-11 02:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

I feel bad for Salam. You guys are destroying him.
Poor kid:
img.sparknotes.com

#128 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2014-07-11 02:57 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 3

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