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California marijuana growers are drawing more than 156,000 gallons of water a day from a single tributary of the Eel River in Mendocino County. The average marijuana plant needs about 6 gallons of water a day, depending on its size and whether it's grown inside or outside, according to a local report that cited research. Pot growers object to that number, saying that the actual water use of a pot plant is much less.

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One more reason IMO, to legalize it. Kill off the mom and pop mini farms, put the farmers on water restrictions just like wineries.

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all farms "suck" water.
YOU suck water.

#1 | Posted by ichiro at 2014-07-08 07:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

I would hazard a guess that every pot plant in the US of A doesn't use as much water as the residents of Los Angeles....and pot is useful. If you want to solve the California water problem, burn LA to the ground.

#2 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-07-08 07:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

That "6 gallons of water a day" per plant figure is purely pulled from someone's butt.

#3 | Posted by morris at 2014-07-08 09:47 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

Ignore all those grass lawns and golf courses the rich built in the desert, or that Cali is the top agro grower in the country, it's the damn hippy lettuce causing all the problems.

#4 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2014-07-08 09:49 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"California marijuana growers are drawing more than 156,000 gallons of water a day"

Just one gravel mine wastes twice as much water every day.

how much does water a day does one fracking well contaminate daily?

#5 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-07-08 11:50 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I'm more worried about the cartel growers and the environmental damage they cause.

#6 | Posted by Tor at 2014-07-08 12:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

One more reason IMO, to legalize it. Kill off the mom and pop mini farms, put the farmers on water restrictions just like wineries.
Posted by AndreaMackris at 11:09 AM | 6 COMMENTS

Brilliant and logical solution. It's amazing that our cadre of dis-separates can instantly provide excellent answers while the legal, medical and judicial systems have yet to stop categorizing marijuana from among the most dangerous illegal drugs.

#7 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-07-08 12:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

How much water does it take for fracking?

#8 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-08 12:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

How much water does it take for fracking?

#8 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-08 12:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

theenergycollective.com

Between 2 to 5 MILLION gallons per well.

#9 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-08 12:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

Let us know when you can heat homes and run a countries infrastructure on pot bozos.

#10 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-07-08 01:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Look California is free to do as they please. Just don't compare growing pot is as valuable to the country as oil and gas.

#11 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-07-08 01:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

#8 How much effort does it take to peruse the previous 7 posts and see that Chiefy asked the same thing already?

#12 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-07-08 01:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

One more reason IMO, to legalize it. Kill off the mom and pop mini farms, put the farmers on water restrictions just like wineries.

Legalize it yes. But done correctly it does not take 6 gallons a day. That is nonsense. If it was legal folks wouldn't have to hide in the forests and divert water illegally (and incorrectly).

Running hydro I only have to add about 5-10 gallons a day per 50 plants. The problem with hydro is it is energy intensive. If I grow in pots in a greenhouse it is only a gallon or so per day per plant.

#13 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-07-08 02:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The average marijuana plant needs about 6 gallons of water a day"

LOL. Who writes this nonsense.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-08 03:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

Let us know when you can heat homes and run a countries infrastructure on pot bozos.

#10 | POSTED BY DALTON AT 2014-07-08 01:00 PM | FLAG:

Look California is free to do as they please. Just don't compare growing pot is as valuable to the country as oil and gas.

#11 | POSTED BY DALTON AT 2014-07-08 01:01 PM | FLAG:

yeah, like when the global economy was based on cannabis hemp.

pick up a book?

#15 | Posted by ichiro at 2014-07-08 03:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

pick up a book?

#15 | Posted by ichiro at 2014-07-08 03:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

Google just revealed that hemp was used for paper products until 1883. That's awesome Ichiro. Let me know when you go w/out power and gasoline.

#16 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-07-08 03:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

Just don't compare growing pot is as valuable to the country as oil and gas.

#11 | POSTED BY DALTON

Hemp certainly could be far more valuable to this country than growing corn.

www.google.com

#17 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-07-08 04:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Agribusiness subsidies cause most of the water problems in ca. Sell them water at the same price as the populace, and that issue will mostly resolve itself.

#18 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-07-08 04:46 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Thanks whatsleft. I'll look into it tomorrow. About to go home for the day.

#19 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-07-08 04:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

gnore all those grass lawns and golf courses the rich built in the desert, or that Cali is the top agro grower in the country, it's the damn hippy lettuce causing all the problems.

#4 | POSTED BY 503JC69 AT 2014-07-08 09:49 AM | REPLY | FLAG

Golf was legal 5 years ago. Marijuana was not.

Are you suggesting it doesn't contribute to the problem?

You must be fun during Global Warming discussions.

#20 | Posted by soheifox at 2014-07-08 05:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Or are you suggesting that their leisure activity (which nobody has to die over turf wars for) is somehow inferior to yours?

I'm not understanding your point here.

#21 | Posted by soheifox at 2014-07-08 05:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

yeah, like when the global economy was based on cannabis hemp.
pick up a book?

#15 | POSTED BY ICHIRO AT 2014-07-08 03:50 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

That never existed. Pick up a book that wasn't published by Palladium or Trans-High and you might learn that.. in addition to no "global economy" ever driven by "cannabis hemp"... what section of the market it ever did occupy was JUTE hemp.

But you don;t give a crap about Jute. Jute can't get you high.

#22 | Posted by soheifox at 2014-07-08 05:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The average marijuana plant needs about 6 gallons of water a day"

There must be some scientific correlation between that and the dry mouth I get.

#23 | Posted by path at 2014-07-08 06:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

.... The "Blame Game" Keeps Changing!

**** Back in June NBC Reported That: "Asia's Love of Nuts is Draining California Dry!"

www.nbcnews.com

#24 | Posted by AntiCadillac at 2014-07-08 09:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Golf was legal 5 years ago. Marijuana was not."

The few elite play golf while the many plebeians smoke pot, perhaps things were a bit backwards. I know I am a plebeian, what surprises me is that so many others who are also plebeians don't understand that they are too.

#25 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-08 10:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Agribusiness subsidies cause most of the water problems in ca.

#18 | Posted by Shawn

Severe drought caused most of the water problems in CA. It's not a free market issue.

#26 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-07-08 10:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

AGribusiness feeds millions, fracking for oil, not so much. In the end I need to eat more than I need to drive. I'd rather take the bus on a full stomach than drive hungry.

#27 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-08 10:15 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

-It's not a free market issue.

It's a Conspicacy!, don't 'cha know.

A False Food op, lmao.

#28 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-08 11:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

A False Food op, lmao.

Posted by Corky at 2014-07-08 11:03 PM | Reply

Sounds like McDonalds

#29 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-08 11:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

lol!

#30 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-08 11:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

#13 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

That's about the same rate I used when I grew long ago. Most of the cycle it was 1/2 - 1 gal per plant every other day, then up to about a gallon per day during flowering. Then again, I didn't use MH lamps so there wasn't much heat generated so I didn't have as much evaporation. Got pretty good yields and since I only grew enough for personal consumption I only needed 4 - 5 plants.

If the estimate is accurate (which would be interesting to know how that estimate was made) it sounds like the plants are being over watered by a pretty significant amount.

#31 | Posted by Lohocla at 2014-07-08 11:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Should have added "per year" after 4-5 plants.:) Didn't smoke all THAT much.;P

#32 | Posted by Lohocla at 2014-07-08 11:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

If the estimate is accurate (which would be interesting to know how that estimate was made) it sounds like the plants are being over watered by a pretty significant amount.

#31 | Posted by Lohocla

Possibly but I think these estimates are made by people who have never grown it. They could also be intentionally over estimating the water loss for other nefarious purposes. Water rights are competitive and political and access to water rights is very valuable. The California Waters Wars have raged off and on here since long before my time.

#33 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-07-09 12:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

Got pretty good yields and since I only grew enough for personal consumption I only needed 4 - 5 plants.

I grow for personal consumption, too. But, I am so good at it that I can grow way more than I need. So I belong to a Collective. The Collective will take all the extra I have to distribute through a dispensary to others who cannot grow their own. And because I create a consistent quality product they happily reimburse me for my expenses. The prices have collapsed but if I can hold on until legalization prices could skyrocket and I could get rich and retire.

#34 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-07-09 12:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

I would hazard a guess that every pot plant in the US of A doesn't use as much water as the residents of Los Angeles....and pot is useful. If you want to solve the California water problem, burn LA to the ground.

#2 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-07-08 07:59 AM

Your guess is wrong, actually, the drought problem is not SoCal, but Northern California: In California, Drought Plays Out Unexpectedly

#35 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2014-07-09 12:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

but conversely, for every 10 pot plants grown approximately 238.6 lbs of frito lay, taco bell and pillsbury cookie dough products are purchased statewide each week, resulting in 326.2 more full-time fast food and convenience store jobs per annum...

#36 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-07-09 12:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

sometimes i get real high and eat several bowls of lucky charms cereal....

...i refer to it as my 'potluck dinner'...

speaking of which... 'later!

#37 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-07-09 12:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

Severe drought caused most of the water problems in CA. It's not a free market issue.

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Dead wrong. The drought has just made what was already a problem worse.

And there is no free market.

#38 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-07-09 02:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

put the farmers on water restrictions just like wineries.

What restrictions? Growing grapes gives you a free pass on many environmental/consumption restrictions, especially in Mendo where wine money runs local politics. Just look to the recent turbine controversy for proof. The best thing ANY farmer, pot or otherwise, in Mendo can do is put a few rows of grapes on their property and call themselves a vineyard. PG&E and local government will rubber stamp Ag power rates, burn permits, run off collection and all sorts of other things.

Most people in Mendo are on their own well. Who gives a damn how much water they use, it's their water. I know a lot of growers. I don't know a single grower that diverts ditch water to feed their plants. I have heard of a few knuckleheads doing it but always in the context of, "such and such was caught diverting water from a blue line creek, he has been placed under the jail by Fish and Game officers".

This article is nonsense.

#39 | Posted by BluSky at 2014-07-09 05:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

#33 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

That's kind of what I was hinting at.

Cool on the collective too, hobbies are best if you can make money doing it. :)

#40 | Posted by Lohocla at 2014-07-09 05:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

Golf was legal 5 years ago. Marijuana was not

Prop 215 became law in 1996. I suspect news travels slowly to your treehouse, but come on.
Other things you might have missed that year: Tupac was shot, Nintento 64 went on sale, the Bulls won 72 games, a some fat bloke published a book titled, "Game of Thrones".

#41 | Posted by BluSky at 2014-07-09 06:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

That's about the same rate I used when I grew long ago.

#31 | POSTED BY LOHOCLA AT 2014-07-08 11:53 PM | FLAG:

I don't know about outdoor, but indoor usage can be under a 1/4 gallon per day, using lamps obviously. Deep Water Culture is your friend. The water never sees the light, that'd just make algae. Yield should be around 2 ounces per square foot on a screen of green grow.

#42 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-07-09 08:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

Are they taking more than the delta smelt did?

#43 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-07-09 09:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

Just one gravel mine wastes twice as much water every day.

how much does water a day does one fracking well contaminate daily?

#5 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses

If you knew 1/4 as much as you think you do, you would be a danger to yourself.

Wash water in an aggergate plant gets recycled until it is wore out.

Fracking happens many thousands feet below any water supply. Water that comes from below about 500 feet always has been unfit to drink, it's full of naqtural minerals.

#44 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-07-09 09:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

How much water does it take for fracking?

#8 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-08 12:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

theenergycollective.com

Between 2 to 5 MILLION gallons per well.

#9 | Posted by LarryMohr

Get educated.

www.exxonmobilperspectives.com

#45 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-07-09 09:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

Severe drought caused most of the water problems in CA. It's not a free market issue.

#26 | Posted by Whatsleft

Have you ever heard of the delta smelt? NO?

#46 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-07-09 09:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Get educated.

www.exxonmobilperspectives.com
#45 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-07-09 09:32 AM"

The amount of water required for fracking a well can vary widely, but the "Between 2 to 5 MILLION gallons per well." is not a bad estimate:

"In 2010, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency was directed by Congress to conduct research to examine the relationship between hydraulic fracturing and drinking water resources, to be finished in 2012. A 2011 EPA report estimated that 70 to 140 billion gallons of water are used to fracture 35,000 wells in the United States each year - approximately the annual water consumption of 40 to 80 cities each with a population of 50,000, according to Earthworks. Fracture treatments in coalbed methane wells use from 50,000 to 350,000 gallons of water per well, while deeper horizontal shale wells can use anywhere from 2 to 10 million gallons of water to fracture a single well.[3][4]"

www.sourcewatch.org

#47 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2014-07-09 09:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

tru, much of that water you are talking about is used in the drilling, not fracking.

Explain to me how they can haul and dump 2 to 5 million gallons of water into one well in a couple of days.

Many water trucks are around 5,000 gallons and the real big highway tankers haul less than 10,000 gal. Do the math and read the post in #45

#48 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-07-09 01:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

#42 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

Been looking at that and and ebb/flow system cant decide which to go with.

#49 | Posted by Lohocla at 2014-07-09 04:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Prop 215 became law in 1996. I suspect herpa DUUURRRP

#41 | POSTED BY BLUSKY AT 2014-07-09 06:02 AM | REPLY | FLAG

You have no idea what Prop 215 actually achieved, do you?

#50 | Posted by soheifox at 2014-07-09 05:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

cant decide which to go with.

DWC if you're looking for something small. Six buckets with a control is easy to maintain. Just buy the best air pump(s) you can find, that is the only piece that can cause catastrophic fail in the system. If the bubbles stop the plants will drown in a few hours.
If you want more than 6 plants aeroponics is the way to go. Custom DIY systems are fun and easy if you're into that sorta thing. E/F systems are dated.

#51 | Posted by BluSky at 2014-07-09 05:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Been looking at that and and ebb/flow system cant decide which to go with.

#49 | POSTED BY LOHOCLA AT 2014-07-09 04:22 PM | FLAG:

If I did not live in Texas, for a personal grow, I would use a 6 bucket DIY hybrid DWC-aeroponics system... looking down almost exactly like Blusky mentions.

5 gallon buckets, mesh pots, black plastic for lining material, some fish tank air pumps and air stones, some water gauges on the buckets (also serves as refilling port), wireless pH sensors, and LED lights. Last bit would be ultrasonic foggers in each bucket to create a fine mist in the root's air zone.

...maybe one day when my state politics get a serious about personal freedoms instead of authoritarian religious morality.

#53 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-07-10 10:26 AM | Reply | Flag:

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