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Scientists studying the effects of the psychedelic chemical in magic mushrooms have found the human brain displays a similar pattern of activity during dreams as it does during a mind-expanding drug trip. They found that with psilocybin, activity in the more primitive brain network linked to emotional thinking became more pronounced, with several parts of the network -- such as the hippocampus and anterior cingulate cortex -- active at the same time. This pattern is similar to when people are dreaming.

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"People often describe taking psilocybin as producing a dreamlike state and our findings have, for the first time, provided a physical representation for the experience in the brain," said researcher Robin Carhart-Harris of Imperial College London. "I was fascinated to see similarities between the pattern of brain activity in a psychedelic state and the pattern of brain activity during dream sleep, especially as both involve the primitive areas of the brain linked to emotions and memory."

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"British researchers have been exploring the potential of psilocybin to alleviate severe forms of depression in people who don't respond to other treatments, and obtained some positive results from early-stage experiments.

In the United States, scientists have seen positive results in trials using MDMA, a pure form of the party drug ecstasy, in treating post-traumatic stress disorder."

We just used to kick over cow patties in East Texas and take the 'shrooms home in Buddies Grocery bags.

Made a fine tea. A little rough as a sandwich, lol.

To the extent one's dreams are like cartoons, then yeah, I'm sure some of the same brain activity as with dreams would apply.

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-08 12:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

To the extent one's dreams are like cartoons, then yeah, I'm sure some of the same brain activity as with dreams would apply.
#1 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-08 12:45 AM

For me it has always been an entirely emotional experience. While others are experiencing fantastic illusions I'm the one that gets to drive while high because apparently drugs do not really care about my trip.

Reading and music are is closest I can ever reach to that state.

I wonder what the chemical differences are between psilocybin and ayahuasca? The "perturbation" approximation remains arms-length mental ------------.:]

#2 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-07-08 11:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

You be trippin man

#3 | Posted by FlyUntied at 2014-07-08 12:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

Seriously trippin'

#4 | Posted by TwoCents at 2014-07-08 01:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

This thread has me reminiscing while I'm working...

A friend of mine lived on a piece of land, about seven sections, which his family had managed for the previous two generations. His name was Don. My other friend Randy, procured some shrooms and me and him went out to Don's place unannounced one summer afternoon, about twenty years ago. We ate a palm-full of the shrooms each, and set about the task at hand - smoking weed, drinking beer, chasing around on the four-wheeler, shooting off guns, et cetera. Eventually, we built a fire, and cooked something, I can't remember what. We had set up camp beside a pond, and had Don's seven black-mouth curs running around to keep the snakes away. It was by this time dark, so we built up the fire real big and ate the rest of the shrooms. My seconds bounced back up pretty quick, and the black-mouth curs all ran over and divided it quick as they could. I don't remember seeing much of them the rest of the evening. Don was missing, so me and Randy searched him out. He was in the house, watching 'The Devil's Rain' starring Ernest Borgnine on his 13-foot satellite dish, his Franchi SPAs 12 and his cattle prod on the couch beside him, his hunting bow in his hands, shooting at a target attached to a bale of hay out his open back door. He seemed alright. Randy sat on the couch and started grinning at the movie, so I picked up the cattle prod and turned it on. The prod was making a humming noise, which amused me greatly. "Can you hear that?" I asked Randy, moving the prod closer. I didn't mess with Don. He still had his bow, shooting again out the back door. So, me and Rand left him with that, and put Pink Floyd's 'Relics' on the cassette, and wandered off down the horse pasture.
...I may be pushing 4000 characters, better get back to work...

#5 | Posted by FlyUntied at 2014-07-08 02:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

"For me it has always been an entirely emotional experience. While others are experiencing fantastic illusions...."

I only did it a few times and wasn't really a fan. But for me there were no illusions other than colors seeming brighter, which did make everything seem more cartoon-y. Also it changes your perception and you tend to notice that something or someone "looks like" something else. But unlike what some of my friends would claim I never actually believed that one thing "turned into" another. I always knew what I was really looking at.

One time in college I had to restrain myself from asking my housemate's friend Big Mike to leave. At the time his face looked like a lobster's to me and for some reason that was really bothering me. Big Mike was pretty much the nicest guy in the world and picking on him would have been like kicking a puppy. I'm glad I didn't say anything but that's an example of why I didn't really enjoy it. Yeah it made certain things more interesting and my curiousity would have never been satisfied if I had never tried it but on the balance it didn't outweigh the random negative thoughts. Plus having to explain to someone else that he's not dead and I'm not talking to his ghost while I myself am just trying to keep my ---- together gets old real fast.

#6 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-08 03:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

... Don had warned us about the horses, that they hadn't been ridden in a long time and were sort of wild. They came and checked us out, about eight of them, then they left us alone. We continued down the rough pasture, the Pink Floyd swirling all around. We decided to keep going until we got so far away that we couldn't hear the Pink Floyd, or until the tape was done. We walked on until we could barely see the house, the Pink Floyd dim and surreal and crystal clear, wavering across the pasture, Interstellar Overdrive. I remembered something I had brought with us, a little flashlight. A little flashlight that I had got as a promotional item from Hewlett-Packard, the first usable-illumination LED, an -deep breath - AluminumIndiumGalliumArsenideP
hosphate LED, it made a nice amber light. I retrieved the little flashlight from my pocket, turned it on, and discovered - ticks. Dozens of ticks, of all sizes, crawling up my legs between the top of my boots and my shorts. I went to brushing them off, but then they just started getting all over my hands. Randy was like, "I don't know about you, but I'm gettin out of here", and he ran over to where some of the horses were, and jumped on one's back, and the whole lot of them when galloping off, Randy clinging to the one's mane. He fell off about halfway back towards the house, and I headed that way, wondering how I was going to explain to Randy's wife what happened to him, but he was alright!
~thend~

#7 | Posted by FlyUntied at 2014-07-08 03:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Psychedelics like psilocybin, LSD and mescaline redefine consciousness, but are only suitable for occasional use. Their effects last for at least 24 hours and disrupt normal sleep patterns. They are not addictive, but would offer little if any benefit in any long term treatment program.

#8 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-08 04:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

"They are not addictive, but would offer little if any benefit in any long term treatment program."

The evidence from studies like the psilocybin studies at John Hopkins indicates that assertion is nonsense.

#9 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-07-08 04:37 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Psychedelic mushrooms may have lasting benefits

www.pressherald.com

#10 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-07-08 04:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

Psychedelics like psilocybin, LSD and mescaline redefine consciousness, but are only suitable for occasional use. Their effects last for at least 24 hours and disrupt normal sleep patterns. They are not addictive, but would offer little if any benefit in any long term treatment program.

#8 | POSTED BY NUTCASE AT 2014-07-08 04:26 PM | FLAG:

...that said, with a receptive mind short term may be all you need.

#11 | Posted by soheifox at 2014-07-08 05:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

One trip can change the way you think about things forever.

#12 | Posted by FlyUntied at 2014-07-08 05:50 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Things that seemed sooo important, like the career with the huge corporation, the latest gadgets, are the ephemeral things really, and the time you can take to spend with your friends and family, that's what you'll be thinking about when your time comes.

#13 | Posted by FlyUntied at 2014-07-08 05:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

One trip can change the way you think about things forever.
#12 | Posted by FlyUntied

We should test soldiers with psychoactive drugs to see if they can handle combat.
Not use psychoactive drugs after the fact to try to heal the ones who can't.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-08 06:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

With enough Shrooms there would be no combat.

see John Allegro's 'The Sacred Mushroom And The Cross'

#15 | Posted by FlyUntied at 2014-07-08 06:12 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Having tried psilocybin mushroom several times as a young man, IMO there is no comparing the feeling of being in a dream state and the feeling that comes with being ui shrooms.

#16 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-07-08 06:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

With enough Shrooms there would be no combat.
see John Allegro's 'The Sacred Mushroom And The Cross'

#15 | POSTED BY FLYUNTIED AT 2014-07-08 06:12 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

I'd flag it newsworthy, but I havne;t been able to flag anything successfully for years.

#17 | Posted by soheifox at 2014-07-08 06:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'd flag it newsworthy, but I havne;t been able to flag anything successfully for years.

#17 | Posted by soheifox

I haven't been able to figure out the flag anything either, glad to know it's not just me! Thanks!

#18 | Posted by FlyUntied at 2014-07-08 06:39 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Well, around Shreveport in the cow pastures, after a rain you could find hundreds, which were discernible from deadly white mushrooms in that they bruised the dark psilocybin blue where stem was broken. The best experience i had was eating the caps of shrooms, discarding stems, just picked. Actually pleasant tasting when fresh. These mushrooms came from spores in imported cow feed, and before long, the feed was irradiated so that the mushrooms no longer sprouted. It was a gentle trip, not at all like LSD, which i noticed was enjoyed by extroverts more than those of us who were introspective. i saw The Exorcist on acid, and instead of being scary, it seemed very contrived & fake. (i read the book a year or two later and it scared me.)

#19 | Posted by kenx at 2014-07-08 06:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I haven't been able to figure out the flag anything either, glad to know it's not just me! Thanks!"

Magic, you have to use magic. You first need to draw two semicircles, and add a few lines so they look like ---------. This must be done with the blood of a blind virgin daddy long leg spider. Then light locally sourced organic kung pow chicken scented candles. It works best if you have at leas 7 of them. Next close all doors and windows and draw the shades( this is not absolutely necessary but i do it naked and the lustful stares of the women passing by can get a bit distracting)
Next you must invoke the spirits of the deceases hamsters that used to run the servers, this must be done as they will be your spirit guide and navigating through the spiritual underbelly of the inter webs without them is perilous. Once this is all completed you close your eyes and chant (well it does not matter what you chant, i use the serial number of the pc in front of me.

Then you click on something or another and if the electron masters approve t will be flagged. It usually helps if you flag something funny even though it is not in the least bit humorous but reflects highly partisan ideology that you agree with. That is the same with newsworthy. Don't bother with abusive as i have been told that only works for one poster here.

#20 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-08 06:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

OK got it! Thanks!

...Does it matter if the spider blood has any spit in it?

#21 | Posted by FlyUntied at 2014-07-08 07:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

A friend who was a nursing student picked all the shrooms she could carry, which she took to CA, where she knew of eager customers. The last time i did some, was on Lake Travis near Austin. Very pleasant. i have some a friend gave me which haven't called out "Eat me!" Yet.

#22 | Posted by kenx at 2014-07-08 07:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Does it matter if the spider blood has any spit in it?"

It will naturally as the best way to extract it is slightly vampiric.

#23 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-07-08 07:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Thanks for the trippy instructions on flagging!

#24 | Posted by kenx at 2014-07-08 07:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Reading Fly United's post gave me a flashback.

#25 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2014-07-08 07:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Mission Accomplished

#26 | Posted by FlyUntied at 2014-07-08 07:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

-gave me a flashback.

We had a long haired psych prof that liked to screw with the stoners in class... along with everyone else. He would be talking along at normal levels about how a newborn views the world, then slowly, slowly lower his voice until the whole class was leaning forward to hear him and he would scream at us and when we jumped he would say, "now that's what you are doing to a newborn when you get in it's face".

Then he would tell us how to create a catatonic person. Put them in a shock treatment room and watch them from a small window in the door. Shock them when they did random things like breath or blink until they figured out why they were bring shocked and then change to something else until they were... catatonic.

We even did the famous experiment where the actor pretended at being shocked to see how much a subject given control would actually shock them, the experiment used after WWII to find out why Nazis would obey orders to do terrible things. He used ice, but still, it hurt!

The reason I mention that is to say that he is the one that told us that, speaking of flashbacks, the acid we were doing would crystallize in our brains in 30-40 years and one day we would just shut down and start drooling.

But I only ever had one real flashback, in my late twenties when I hadn't used in a couple of years. It started with that taste of good acid in the mouth and then went into a maybe 2 hour pleasant high.

Like crumbs on your mustaches, I s'pose.

#27 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-08 08:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

Magic, you have to use magic.

Oh man! I was told you just have to believe. Really believe. If you truly believe then the poster gets flagged by the Blog Gods.

Also, throwing some chicken bones into fresh chicken blood helps get the attention of the Blog Gods so they will see you believing and take action.

#28 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-07-08 08:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

I took my buddy to a Dead show in summer of '88 up in Maine. His drug experience was limited to smoking pot a handful of times. I convinced him to do some shrooms and after about an hour, his exact words were "am I dreaming or is this real".

#29 | Posted by CaseyJones at 2014-07-09 08:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

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