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Sunday, July 06, 2014

Kelly Parker was thrilled when she landed her dream job in 2012 providing tech support for Harley-Davidson's Tomahawk, Wisconsin, plants. The divorced mother of three hoped it was the beginning of a new career with the motorcycle company. The dream didn't last long. Parker claims she was laid off one year later after she trained her replacement, a newly arrived worker from India. Now she has joined a federal lawsuit alleging the global staffing firm that ran Harley-Davidson's tech support discriminated against American workers -- in part by replacing them with temporary workers from South Asia.

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So, who are we going to take care of first? Citizens or low wage people from other nations?

This is all about training. Especially for American born workers. It takes a lot to train. But I think it's something that needs to be done. I think the H1 program should be put on hold for a few years, to force companies to choose from Americans.

#1 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-06 02:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

That program should be abolished. Capitalists just want slave labor rather than hiring Americans.

#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-07-06 03:06 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Shouldn't American companies get to pick from the hardest working and most aggressive employees around the world? If they're not working for you, they're working against you.

Plus, there are the benefits of having the workers constantly afraid of losing their jobs. Modern slavery.

#3 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-07-06 03:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Shouldn't American companies get to pick from the hardest working and most aggressive employees around the world?"

No. They have charters granted by America. If they don't want to hire americans, their charters should be revoked.

#4 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-07-06 03:52 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

Charters? You're talking about the right to operate?

#5 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-07-06 03:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

So, who are we going to take care of first?

The corporations, dummy. Nobody else matters. As a former mercenary, err military officer, you should know that.

Prior to September 11, United States policy toward the Taliban was largely influenced by oil. In a new book published in Paris, "Bin Laden, la verite interdite" ("Bin Laden, the forbidden truth"), former French intelligence officer Jean-Charles Brisard and journalist Guillaume Dasquie document a cozy relationship between George W. Bush and the Taliban. The book quotes John O'Neill, former director of anti-terrorism for the FBI, who thought the U.S. State Department, acting on behalf of United States and Saudi oil interests, interfered with FBI efforts to track down Osama bin Laden.

Before he was tapped as Bush's running mate, Dick Cheney was CEO of Halliburton, the biggest oil services company in the world. In a 1998 speech to the "Collateral Damage Conference" of the Cato Institute, Cheney said, "the good Lord didn't see fit to put oil and gas only where there are democratically elected regimes friendly to the United States. Occasionally we have to operate in places where, all things considered, one would not normally choose to go. But, we go where the business is."

#6 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-07-06 04:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

force companies to choose from Americans.

#1 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2014-07-06 02:57 PM | FLAG:

Your hard line on corporate freedom turns to communism as soon as your self interests are at stake. Nice to know your moral fortitude is about an inch deep.

#7 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-07-06 04:07 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

"Charters? You're talking about the right to operate?"

Yes, the right to operate with limited liability. That should be abolished.

#8 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-07-06 04:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes, the right to operate with limited liability. That should be abolished.

You hit the nail on the head here. The misuse of this program is a symptom of many things, but the truth is that corporations exist to make money. Patriotism is only useful if it boosts sales.

#9 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-07-06 04:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

#6...."...Dick Cheney was CEO of Halliburton, the biggest oil services company in the world."

Halliburton is #2, Schlumberger is #1.

#10 | Posted by Visitor2 at 2014-07-06 04:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

This program was intended to address talent shortages in the US... as a short term stopgap. Instead it is being exploited to avoid hiring domestic workers because they want pesky things like "benefits". Opportunities for the "impoverished" of other nations should not come at the cost of lowering our own citizens to their level.

#11 | Posted by soheifox at 2014-07-06 06:33 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Like all other Government policies economic policies, the whole H-1B program is based on lies (fake science). There is no shortage of technical American talent. There is a widespread conspiracy in America to reduce all worker wages, diverting that money into the pockets of the 1%. Its a much easier way to make money than actually competing in a free market. But then the people that can't stop talking about free markets never have any intention of competing in a textbook only free market. Not when they can rig the system.

#12 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-06 06:47 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

For once I almost agree with Nulli. And yes Brucebanner, I am being hypocritical as the free market has made this third world ----- the tech worlds bottom basement feeder. But you libs have never had a problem with Hypocrisy, so you should have no problem with my stance here. For once I need some protections for AMERICANS, cant I get liberal support for this? Get rid of the HB1 program..

#13 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-06 07:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Like all other Government policies economic policies, the whole H-1B program is based on lies (fake science). There is no shortage of technical American talent. "

No way!! I can't believe it. I actually agree with you on this.

We have plenty of talent here. They are being replaced by cheaper talent in other Countries en mass. It doesn't matter if these companies support Obama or a Republican. They are focused on profits.

I know first hand how long term tech workers here are being pushed out in favor of hiring overseas workers. They can get 3 of them for 1 US based employee and a lot of times the overseas workers will work longer hours, not complain, dont' require many vacation perks or benefits, etc. The H-1B program is for those that need to be in the office here and is the tip of the ice berg. A lot of companies also form overseas offices and hire locally while laying off US based talent.

#14 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-07-06 07:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

boaz,

H-1B is a Conservative policy. As with many such policies, the wussies will often pander to labor in their speeches while privately supporting H-1B also. At least Rethugs are honest in their total contempt for the laboring class. ------ policies stink to high heaven, but they are what they say they are.

#15 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-06 08:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Two things: 1. The criticism of H1B use has to be industry specific. Some industries do need outside workers. For example, scientific research. THere just aren't enough North Americans stupid enough to do what I do. 2. Not every American worker is the equivalent of a foreign worker. The person who is willing to leave everything behind to come build a life here is immediately going to be a little above the average.

Something to consider - many "American" successes were the work of foreigners who came here, wanting a better life, thinking they could find it here through hard work.

#16 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-07-06 09:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

With actual unemployment closer to 20% than official reports, it is traitorous to permit any foreigners in who displace American workers, but that is a common business model, actively promoted by some Law Firms.

Our citizens are disposable as far as Washington is concerned. Fact is almost no one gives a hoot about anything except Corporate profits.

Congress set quotas when they created H-1B.

...but just like the INS and illegal immigration, no one keeps track of or enforces those quotas. (exception, Obama has enforced immigration law more aggressively than any other administration)

#17 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-06 10:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think the H1 program should be put on hold for a few years, to force companies to choose from Americans.

Well said, comrade Boaz.

#18 | Posted by jpw at 2014-07-06 11:06 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Well said, comrade Boaz.

#18 | POSTED BY JPW

I'm kinda on the same page (but probably for different reasons) as Boaz is.

I don't much like it because it's inefficient and doesn't save money due to the effort needed to get the job done correctly. Not saying all H1B programmers are incompetent, but at least in my experience it's been more misses than hits. Especially when they are contractors. They could give a rats ass if they did the job right.

After I left at the end of 2013, found out they had to hire a manager from the staffing agency they have an exclusive contract with because the contractors wouldn't listen to their managers. So now my old manager has to go through the staffing manager to get his contractors to do their jobs. It's just a piss poor way to run an IT shop.

#19 | Posted by Lohocla at 2014-07-07 12:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

H1B should be a ratio based on the unemployment in that sector.

Part of andrea's Plan to Save the Middle class...

#20 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-07 12:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

Can't believe that i am siding with Boaz. Stop HiB, and stop contracting out to shops that abuse our employment laws.

#21 | Posted by mad_as_hell at 2014-07-07 12:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

I see it happening where I work. They work more hours for less money. Capitalism. Thanks again America. You sold our soul to the corporation.

#22 | Posted by klifferd at 2014-07-07 01:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

I think the H1 program should be put on hold for a few years, to force companies to choose from Americans.

Well said, comrade Boaz.

#18 | Posted by jpw

How is controling our borders to benifit Americans a commie deal?

#23 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-07-07 09:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

This program has been abused for years.

#24 | Posted by fresno500 at 2014-07-07 12:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Can't believe that i am siding with Boaz. "

You're not. You're siding with me. I was criticizing the h1-b program before Boaz ever heard of it.

#25 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-07-07 12:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

I was criticizing the h1-b program before Boaz ever heard of it.

So? WTF does that have to do with anything?

#26 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-07 02:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

How is controling our borders to benifit Americans a commie deal?

You have no idea what this thread is about, do you?

#27 | Posted by jpw at 2014-07-07 11:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

So? WTF does that have to do with anything?

Go easy on our good friend patchoulistank. He doesn't get out much so even a small victory here is a big victory to him.

Let him bask in it.

#28 | Posted by jpw at 2014-07-07 11:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

" Not saying all H1B programmers are incompetent, but at least in my experience it's been more misses than hits. Especially when they are contractors. They could give a rats ass if they did the job right. "

I've seen this too. There is a large communication gap as well. Often the work needs to be redone by an American after some H1B'er screwed it up royally. I've seen them take weeks to do a simple task,, but hey, ,we need them don't we?

#29 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-07-08 10:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

This program was intended to address talent shortages in the US... as a short term stopgap. Instead it is being exploited to avoid hiring domestic workers because they want pesky things like "benefits". Opportunities for the "impoverished" of other nations should not come at the cost of lowering our own citizens to their level.
#11 | Posted by soheifox at 2014-07-06 06:33 PM | Newsworthy 1

NO, it's been a "talent" scam from day one - this was in full swing during the .com bubble and continues into outsourcing entire companies.

There is such a sense of shame and abuse to endure after you've trained your imported replacement that it's hard to trust anyone ever again.

#30 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-07-08 12:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh, "arbiet macht frei" on the business cards was my little dig at this process. Hundreds of my friends were just "let go" while parasite corporatists obliterated our dreams, our loyalty and our industry.

#31 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-07-08 01:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

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