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Sunday, July 06, 2014

Patriotism spurred by President Vladimir Putin's annexation of Ukraine's Crimea still runs deep in Russia, but the cold reality of paying for the Black Sea region is setting in and threatens to test an economy brought low by Western sanctions. Asked to give up a day's pay to help Crimea, Russian hospital therapist Tatyana could not hide her anger. "The bosses ... asked us to fill out a form for the donation. People started complaining -- why should they donate to Crimea? In our department, not one of us made the donation and our boss understood because she was of the same opinion."

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Russians were encouraged to visit Crimea -- once the playground of the Soviet elite -- and some state-controlled companies said they would ship their workers to the region's spas for group summer holidays.

Russia even started a new low-cost airline to Crimea, Dobrolyot (Good Flight), which made its maiden flight to the region's capital, Simferopol, last month.

But with the first wave of tourists back in Russia and complaining about bad service and amenities, the "champagne effect" of feeling that Russia had outwitted the West over Crimea may have started to wear off.

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How long will the good will that we rightly earned during WWII last? Our interference and destabilization of Ukraine, the latest in a long list of war crimes post WWII, has spread more unnecessary death and misery.

#1 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-06 09:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

At least Russia is asking its citizens to donate money.

Here in America our tax money is sent to dictators around the world without the slightest concern about whether we want it to or not.

#2 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-06 09:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

How long will the good will that we rightly earned during WWII last? Our interference and destabilization of Ukraine, the latest in a long list of war crimes post WWII, has spread more unnecessary death and misery.

#1 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-06 09:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

For about as long as we can continue to economically attack countries that don't hedge their economy on the dollar. That's why the trillion dollar behemoth of a military will never die down. It's our biggest bargening chip and the only cuts there will be to human resources (soldiers and veterans), while they just shift the money into automated offensive weapons.

#3 | Posted by daniel_3 at 2014-07-06 10:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

How long can people pretend that somehow we are responsible for the fact that the Ukrainian people wanted to join the EU? Why do some persist in pretending that the seperatists aren't actually Russians when even their names and home cities are known. It is ridiculous to pretend that any action we have ever taken is as destabilizing as what Russia has done and is doing every single day, when they ceased Crimea it was an act of a war for territory. It is right that no nations outside Russia's dependent neighbors recognize that land grab. How many Ukrainian soldiers were murdered during the cease fire?

#4 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-06 11:27 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#2 | Posted by ClownShack

Much as it is in Russia.

A better analogy would be if we were to take a part of Mexico and then have the government ask for us to pay for it.

#6 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2014-07-06 04:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

#1 | Posted by nutcase
#3 | Posted by daniel_3

Naive and short sighted. We have done plenty wrong as a country. However if you think there is not going to be a continual proxy wars with or without us involved you are both incredibly Naive. It is the nature of man. If all mankind took a resolve of peace I don't think it would last a minute.

#7 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2014-07-06 04:13 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

After sucking the region dry of its natural resources the guys around Vlad will walk from this part of the world, shaking its dust from their shoes. Meanwhile, in Ukraine, the pro-Russian factions will be hunted like wild pigs, and Moscow will turn a deaf ear to the squeals of their minions. This is playing out badly for Vlad, but his friends will come out OK...

#8 | Posted by catdog at 2014-07-06 05:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation has published a White Book on violations of human rights and the rule of law in Ukraine. Propagandized Americans think that all the violations in Ukraine are made by Russians. The White Book carefully and accurately documents reported violations that occurred in Ukraine for four months from December 2013 through March 2014.

You will not hear about it from the US media, and it is unlikely to receive much coverage in Europe. The facts are so greatly at odds with the West's position that the White Book is a huge embarrassment to the West.

www.mid.ru$FILE/White%20Book.pdf

The slaughter of Ukrainians on Washington's orders by Washington's stooge government in Kiev has worsened considerably in the past three months, producing more than 100,000 Ukrainian refugees fleeing into Russia for protection from strikes against civilian housing from the air, artillery, and tanks.

Every effort by the Russian government to involve Washington, the European Union, and Kiev in negotiations to find a peaceful settlement has failed.

Washington is not interested in a settlement. Disturbed by its NATO vassals' dependence on Russian energy and the growing economic relationships between Russia and Europe, Washington is at work through its Kiev proxy murdering citizens in eastern and southern parts of present-day Ukraine that once were part of Russia.

Washington has declared these civilians to be "terrorists" and is trying to force Russia to intervene militarily in order to protect them. Russia's protective intervention would then be denounced by Washington as "invasion and annexation." Washington would use this propaganda, which would blare from the Western media, to pressure Europe to support Washington's sanctions against Russia. The sanctions would effectively destroy the existing economic relationships between Russia and Europe.

Washington has not had success in imposing sanctions, because, although Washington's European vassals, such as Merkel, are willing, business interests in Germany, France, and Italy stand opposed. Washington is hoping that by forcing Russia to act, Washington can sufficiently demonize Russia and silence the European business interests with propaganda. (Paul Craig Roberts)

#9 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-06 08:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The White Book carefully and accurately documents reported violations that occurred in Ukraine for four months from December 2013 through March 2014."

How do you know it is accurate? Someone could easily make a similar book about the Russian Federation. Putin has had his primary opponents jailed for years for purely political reasons. You are simply allowing yourself to believe pure Russian propaganda. Last week in Zaparozhe children from Donyetsk came to take they examinations. They were sort of surprised to find everything operating normally as opposed to their areas. People I know talked to them, they said basically most folks just want these seperatists to go back to Russia and leave them alone, they don't want to be part of Russia at all. They want to return to normal life.

#10 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-06 08:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The sanctions would effectively destroy the existing economic relationships between Russia and Europe."

Everything isn't some plot, Washington wants to work with Moscow in hot spots like Syria, Iran, they do not want to cause problems for Russia or prevent economic interdependence between the EU and Russia. Such interdependence is the basis for peace in Europe. You've read one too many spy novels.

#11 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-06 08:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

that's one way of putting it. Another is that the USA will use anybody anytime when it serves their purpose. We used Iran and Syria after 9-11 and then --- on them again.

Ukraine is on the same path as Haiti, thanks to the involvement of US based NGOs, which parade as humanitarian organizations while acting primarily as extensions of the CIA. US Ambassador Victoria Nuland (her husband started The Project for a New American Century) publically stated last December that the USA has spent $5 billion destabilizing the Ukraine. One of my co-workers, who is from the Ukraine, confirms that protestors with no other job were paid $100/day to protest and help overthrow the legitimately elected Government. The timing was impeccable, just after the Russian Olympics. Like Brazil's World cup, the US media has had nothing good to say about the Russian Olympics. The question of who produces the most propaganda is open to debate. What is clear is that when the Chinese and Russians are being lied to, they know it. US citizens are largely clueless.

#12 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-06 09:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

" US Ambassador Victoria Nuland (her husband started The Project for a New American Century) publically stated last December that the USA has spent $5 billion destabilizing the Ukraine. "

That is not, at all, what she said."

"What is clear is that when the Chinese and Russians are being lied to, they know it."

YEah, that's why PUtin's approval numbers are so high while he does nothing to create real jobs for his people and spends money taking territory away from Ukrain and then asks Russians to give up money earned to pay for his acquisition.

#13 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-06 09:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Nutcase - the name is fitting on this one. Do you realize how ludicrous the claims you are making are? We spent 5 BILLION dollars to "destabilize" Ukraine. IF that is so, please find me the actual money trail.

We used Iran and Syria after 9-11 - PLEASE elaborate. Never heard of anything so crazy.

Same path as Haiti? Reeeeeaaaaallllly - So the Ukraine is an over crowed country with nil to offer and a population that lacks virtually all education? Ukraine was on the same path as Russia and Belarus - dictatorship. Still may be - ultra rich abusing the system and crabbing power yes. When Viktor Yanukovych fled the estimates on his personal wealth were north of 30 Billion Dollars. Some had it nearly 60 Billion. This from a poor ethnic Russian who had virtually nothing prior to coming to power.

Look, this all started because someone - Alpha Team - started shooting the protestors after an agreement was reached in the protests. Since the Alpha Team is full of both Ethnic Russians and Russian Moles as the SBU is - who do you think made the call to pull the trigger? The party that didn't sign on to the treaty maybe?

I am not going to say the EU and USA didn't have a stake in the game - it would be idiotic to think otherwise. That said it is even more idiotic to think Russia and Putin were not doing everything they could to either seize control or destabilize the situation. This is the definition of a proxy battle. That said the aggressor here was clearly Putin from the very beginning. He sought to make Ukraine another Belarus. You don't think Russia will do anything it can? Just look at the polonium poisonings they have done to dissenters in exile.

#14 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2014-07-06 10:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

We used Iran and Syria after 9-11 - PLEASE elaborate. Never heard of anything so crazy.

Pete-Bush sent detainees from afghanistan to these fine nations where torture is SOP. Places like Poland as well.

egal proceedings may soon be filed on behalf of other U.K.-based former detainees who were interrogated at the behest of the U.S. in Guantánamo, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Ethiopia, Egypt, and Syria. At the same time, Scotland Yard is continuing to investigate whether individual agents of the U.K. 's M15 and M16 intelligence services can be held criminally liable for their role in the interrogation of Binyam Mohamed in Pakistan and Morocco.

#15 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-07-06 11:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Pete,

Here's some backup. There is much more.

en.wikipedia.org

www.stratfor.com

Haiti and Ukraine are different in many ways. But the way they are similar is that both countries are full of US based non-governmental (NGOs) . These agencies are allegedly sent to help local citizens in a crisis. But the reality is in spite of their presence things just keep getting worse and worse for the local populations, the longer these NGOs are present. The Russians published a cell phone conversation featuring Nuland in which she is recorded saying "---- the EU".

www.informationclearinghouse.i
nfo

politicaloutcast.com

en.wikipedia.org

#16 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-07 07:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

Vlad owns it now lock stock and rusty barrel.

We should have probably just given him the Whole Ukraine. It probably would have bankrupted him and we would have probably gotten it back into the EU eventually anyway.

We used to be so much smarter.

Anyway...Enjoy the fruits of your Conquest Mr Tough Guy.

Just look at the polonium poisonings they have done to dissenters in exile.

#14 | Posted by GalaxiePete

Yeah there is that Cold War crap...so I am basically happy we drew the line in the sand. But, as you say..it is a sucky deal as someone has to clean up that mess and the US is not very good at it. Not sure the EU is any better being as they are broke and all and still have their own problems to solve.

#17 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-07-07 08:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The Russians published a cell phone conversation featuring Nuland in which she is recorded saying "---- the EU"."

Oh my! Then the Russians took Crimea. Excuse me if I don't think the two things are comparable. How would you feel if another nation decided to take California?

#18 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-07 09:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Crimea is Russian. Ukrainian Kruschev gave Crimea to the Ukraine. But Crimea is also Russia's only temperate submarine base, permitting portage twelve months of the year. Without it Russia cannot operate its Navy. What would you expect them to do when a US inspired revolution and bloodletting sweeps Ukraine? In every other respect Putin has sought a peaceful solution while Obama has preferred violence. Imagine starting all this the last day of Russian Olympics. The USA should respect and comply with International Law and should act at all times in a manner that promotes public confidence in the integrity and impartiality of the Government (itself).

#19 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-07 11:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

How would you feel if another nation decided to take California?

Probably the same way Russians feel when we pulled the Ukraine into NATO.

#20 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2014-07-08 08:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

Probably the same way Russians feel when we pulled the Ukraine into NATO.

#20 | POSTED BY BEN_BERKKAKE AT 2014-07-08 08:42 AM | FLAG:

Ukraine is not a NATO member. They flirted with the idea but have not joined.

www.nato.int

#21 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-07-08 09:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

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