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Wednesday, July 02, 2014

Texas Gov. Rick Perry said Wednesday that President Barack Obama must visit the Texas southern border to see the immigration crisis for himself. "If he doesn't come to the border, I think it's a real reflection of his lack of concern of what's really going on there," Perry said on Fox News, noting that Obama is planning to be in Texas next week for fundraisers. More than 52,000 unaccompanied minors and 39,000 adults with children have been apprehended trying to cross the U.S.-Mexico border illegally since October.

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Why cant we just secure the borders? I bet Republicans would be for letting more people in if the borders were just closed. Every other nation has closed borders, why can't we? Mexico even has an American who got lost and crossed their border still in jail. Why is our country like this?

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I think if he can go to Texas to raise money, he can go and seal the border and do his job.

#1 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-02 10:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

Boaz if you want to get down to brass tacks. NEITHER party wants a closed southern border. Neither does the society at large.

#2 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-02 10:19 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Boaz if you want to get down to brass tacks. NEITHER party wants a closed southern border.

That is absolutely true.

Neither does the society at large.

I suspect polling would show otherwise.

#3 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-02 10:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

Rick Perry wants to be president. There'll eventually be campaign adds of him wearing Stetson, squinting across the Colorado and pretending its the Rio Grande.

#4 | Posted by Zed at 2014-07-02 10:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

I suspect polling would show otherwise.

Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-02 10:21 AM | Reply

Not their spending habits when society at large DEMANDS the lowest prices for the goods and service these folks help to provide. They are lying to themselves if they say they are against these people because they sure reap the rewards from their labors.

#5 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-02 10:27 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Y'all come down to Texas. It worked so well for JFK."

#6 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2014-07-02 10:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

Obama can't be bothered with actually going down and visiting to see the impact of these illegal immigrants on local communities and states. He's got to go out and give campaign speeches to raise money and talk tough while using these children as political pawns.

#7 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-07-02 10:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

Larry,

I know the democratic party wants to do nothing, that's their future voter pool.

It's still a shame we cant put someone in office to do the hard things, like securing our borders...

#8 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-02 10:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

I know the democratic party wants to do nothing, that's their future voter pool.

It's still a shame we cant put someone in office to do the hard things, like securing our borders...

Posted by boaz at 2014-07-02 10:33 AM | Reply

There you go again blaming the Country's woes on LIBERALS. Need I remind you it was the Rights Lord Ronald Reagan a CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN that granted Amnesty.

#9 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-02 10:40 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I'm looking at RIGHT NOW Larry. Nothing stopping Obama from securing our border!

#10 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-02 10:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'm looking at RIGHT NOW Larry. Nothing stopping Obama from securing our border!

Posted by boaz at 2014-07-02 10:43 AM | Reply

Like I said NEITHER party wants to close the southern border. Not really at least.

#11 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-02 10:45 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I'll go with that. Are you against putting someone in there who is going to secure the border FIRST before worrying about immigration?

#12 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-02 10:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

Are you against putting someone in there who is going to secure the border FIRST before worrying about immigration?

#12 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-02 10:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'm on the fence about the issue. I USED to be hardcore anti illegal immigrants. Now I am not so sure. It seems like a lot of American arrogance to me to be anti.

#13 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-02 10:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

"It's still a shame we cant put someone in office to do the hard things, like securing our borders..."

How do you propose to secure a border thousands of miles long? If you could how would you secure the many thousands of miles of coastlines?
If you were President and young kids came to the border, as they are by the thousands, what would you do with them?

#14 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-02 11:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

"I'm on the fence about the issue." A pun?

Immigrants are the backbone of the Country. It's the "Illegal" part that riles everyone up.

Some of my immigrant friends are livid about this issue. They stood in line, they waited years, they paid lots of money in fees and lawyers just to come here legally. It's not fair to them to let someone that cheated, jumped the line, get a free pass.

#15 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-07-02 11:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

If you were President and young kids came to the border, as they are by the thousands, what would you do with them?

Boaz would have them shot naturally.

=D

#16 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-02 11:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

I bet Republicans would be for letting more people in if the borders were just closed.

Because they did such a great job stopping illegal immigration while they had the WH, right BOAZ?

Maybe you righties should join the reality based world - the one where the corporations which control the GOP and supports leaving the borders open to keep labor rates down. The world where Obama has deported more illegals than Reagan and the Bushies combined.

As Larry correctly points out, neither party really wants to close the border.

#17 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-07-02 11:09 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I blame Taco Bell.

#18 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-07-02 11:14 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

I blame Taco Bell.

#18 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2014-07-02 11:14 AM

FF.

They maybe should suspend their "make a run for the border" campaign.

#19 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-02 11:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

I agree. Our President should go visit the border. A humanitarian crisis is under way there. Receiving reports about the situation is one thing. Going and observing for himself is something totally different. Also, going there would shine a brighter light on what is transpiring.

#20 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-07-02 11:26 AM | Reply | Flag:

Going and observing for himself is something totally different.

Maybe he could fly over in a plane. That counted for Katrina as a visit.

#21 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-02 11:27 AM | Reply | Flag:

Thank NAFTA for displacing 5 million Mexican farmers from their land with US subsidized corn.

#22 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-07-02 11:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

If you were President and young kids came to the border, as they are by the thousands, what would you do with them?

Send them back to from where they came.

How do you propose to secure a border thousands of miles long? If you could how would you secure the many thousands of miles of coastlines?

The way other countries do it. Militarize it. I would stop asking questions and just do it. Talking about this issue is cheap. It's time for action.

And a HUGE fence, mines barbed wire. Roving military patrols. High concentration of soldiers per mile. Across the entire southern border.

But then again, I want to solve the issue. Once we SEAL the border, then we start talking amnesty. But my solution is something liberals cant live with.

#23 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-02 11:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

There you go again blaming the Country's woes on LIBERALS. Need I remind you it was the Rights Lord Ronald Reagan a CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN that granted Amnesty.

#9 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-

and may I remind you that it was lying despicable worthless democrats who almost immediately after BROKE their promise on employer mandates that has us even worse now..

using this example does not help you. it PROVES US correct that in the hands of the corrupt democrat left, it will get even worse.

#24 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-07-02 11:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

You know another reason the Right doesn't want the border closed. They would lose a wedge issue during election time.

#25 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-02 11:41 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

and I hope the potus does come here....he can see first hand

WHAT HE BUILT ...

#26 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-07-02 11:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

As Larry correctly points out, neither party really wants to close the border.

#17 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-0

none of you using this worthless argument know or want to understand what most of the right's position is on the subject so why in the world would we read this and go "oh yeah...hey that's right.."

There is more to the conservative position than close the border. I know it, you know it and every other left wing zealot knows it, but talking about that doesn't help your campaign to make all right wingers out to be things we're not simply because there are millions of low info people who but that garbage. SECURING the border and closing it are two different things and I thought the group of smartest people on the planet could recognize that.

#27 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-07-02 11:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

mines barbed wire

#23 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07

If you'll go so far as mines you may as well go as far as hellfire strikes against groups of people caught out in the open by UAVs.

I can't see much difference in killing someone consciously aforethought passively (mines) or consciously aforethought actively (drones).

#28 | Posted by Zed at 2014-07-02 11:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

none of you using this worthless argument know or want to understand what most of the right's position is on the subject so why in the world would we read this and go "oh yeah...hey that's right.."

There is more to the conservative position than close the border. I know it, you know it and every other left wing zealot knows it, but talking about that doesn't help your campaign to make all right wingers out to be things we're not simply because there are millions of low info people who but that garbage. SECURING the border and closing it are two different things and I thought the group of smartest people on the planet could recognize that.

Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-07-02 11:46 AM | Reply

When you go to the grocery store. Do you pick the most expensive produce or the cheapest??

#29 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-02 11:49 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

And a HUGE fence, mines barbed wire. Roving military patrols. High concentration of soldiers per mile. Across the entire southern border.

#23 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-02 11:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

So anti Christian of You.

#30 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-02 11:51 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Do you pick the most expensive produce or the cheapest??

POSTED BY LARRYMOHR AT 2014-07-02 11:49 AM

If we are talking AFK, it depends on if anyone is watching or not. If he has to pay for it, the cheapest. Five-finger discount? Only the best.

#31 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-02 11:53 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

If we are talking AFK, it depends on if anyone is watching or not. If he has to pay for it, the cheapest. Five-finger discount? Only the best.

#31 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-02 11:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

Good point.

#32 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-02 11:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

If you'll go so far as mines you may as well go as far as hellfire strikes against groups of people caught out in the open by UAVs.
I can't see much difference in killing someone consciously aforethought passively (mines) or consciously aforethought actively (drones).

Blah, blah, blah...:)

Whatever. We still need to secure the border. This has to be STOPPED. Let other countries know we are ACTIVELY DEFENDING the border, the people will stop coming..

#33 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-02 11:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

So anti Christian of You.

I don't agree. Let em come in the FRONT door, then we can start taking the poor.

But we have to have a LIMIT on how many we are taking in. We cant take in the world, Larry.

Eventually, the world is going to have to fix their own ---------.

#34 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-02 11:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

Whatever. We still need to secure the border. This has to be STOPPED. Let other countries know we are ACTIVELY DEFENDING the border, the people will stop coming..

Posted by boaz at 2014-07-02 11:57 AM | Reply

Let's say you build this fence. They'll either tunnel under it or go around it. Now what??

#35 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-02 12:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Now, if those undocumented children were all fleeing godless Cuba, they would be welcome here in The Land of Opportunity (see: Gonzalez, Elian), in which case Obama would be castigated for sending these defenseless children back into the jaws of death.

Or something like that.

Soon after companies here in the US stop hiring undocumented workers this matter will come a lot closer to resolution...

#36 | Posted by catdog at 2014-07-02 12:01 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Here is the problem at the border with the children (per local Miami news): the kids don't know their parent's names or where they are from. They reported it is happening quite often like this:

INS: Where are you from?

Child: Home.

INS: Who is your father?

Child: Papi.

INS: What is your mother's name?

Child: Mami.

#37 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-02 12:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Whatever.

#33 | Posted by boaz at

Great. Tell me: Do you leave the bodies out to be eaten by wild animals or do collect them for burial?

#38 | Posted by Zed at 2014-07-02 12:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Let's say you build this fence. They'll either tunnel under it or go around it. Now what??

Make it so you cant go around it. And WATCH it. Don't just put up a fence and walk away. And if they are tunneling, that is a violation of sovernty and we can respond with violence on the coyotes doing it. Make it much more difficult and they will stop coming.

Also, I agree we need to stop companies and employers from hiring these illegals.

#39 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-02 12:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

"And a HUGE fence, mines barbed wire. Roving military patrols. High concentration of soldiers per mile. Across the entire southern border."

That is going to take an awful large number of soldiers and when the illegals come anyway what then? Shoot them? Would you shoot a 12 year old kid for trying to come to America?

#40 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-02 12:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Make it so you cant go around it.

Posted by boaz at 2014-07-02 12:07 PM | Reply

Better close the beaches then.

#41 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-02 12:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Great. Tell me: Do you leave the bodies out to be eaten by wild animals or do collect them for burial?"

Throw the bodies in the garbage but keep the heads and mount them on pikes as a warning to others.
If we want to do what BOAZ recommends we could get lots of info about how to go about it by researching the methods used by East Germany during the Cold War.

#42 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-02 12:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Better close the beaches then."

Some reason they seem to think Mexicans don't know about the Gulf of Mexico.

#43 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-02 12:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Better close the beaches then."

Some reason they seem to think Mexicans don't know about the Gulf of Mexico.
#43 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2014-07-02 12:12 PM | FLAG:

Well, definitely the Cubans, Haitians, Dominicans... Don't know about this gulf you speak of.

#44 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-02 12:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Just b/c a wall wouldn't stop all of them doesn't mean you can't stop a large number. You guys act like if something isn't 100% you can't do anything. You Obama supporters want to give them amnesty?

#45 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-07-02 12:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

That is going to take an awful large number of soldiers and when the illegals come anyway what then? Shoot them? Would you shoot a 12 year old kid for trying to come to America?

No, round them up and send them home.

You people still haven't given me any reason not to TRY. We cannot let anything stop us from DOING something.

Better close the beaches then.

Why? Other countries have beaches and don't seem to have a problem with their immigration. There's nothing you can tell me that will change my mind about stopping these people from coming into our nation illegally.

#46 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-02 12:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Communist Boaz would hire the Chinese to build some kind of Great Wall between America and Mexico.

#47 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-02 12:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

You guys act like if something isn't 100% you can't do anything.

EXACTLY Dalton!

Democrats would have a catastrophe on the border with cameras in the faces of all those kids to pull on heart strings.

We need to start sending these people home without apology.

#48 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-02 12:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

Better close the beaches then.

We're gonna need a bigger boat.

#49 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-02 12:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why? Other countries have beaches and don't seem to have a problem with their immigration. There's nothing you can tell me that will change my mind about stopping these people from coming into our nation illegally.

Posted by boaz at 2014-07-02 12:31 PM | Reply

Does wet foot dry foot mean anything to you??

#50 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-02 12:34 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Communist Boaz would hire the Chinese to build some kind of Great Wall between America and Mexico.

Someone needs to. This immigration thing is HURTING us. Why cant Obama see this? We need someone on OUR side for a change. Time for Obama and these country killing liberals to GO.

#51 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-02 12:35 PM | Reply | Flag:


Does wet foot dry foot mean anything to you??

#50 | Posted by LarryMohr

To be honest Larry, I don't give a ----. All I know is, we need to stop this. NOW.

#52 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-02 12:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Also, where would you get the money?

Rather build a wall to keep out immigrants than fund health care to help out your fellow Americans?

POS People strike again.

And as it's been reiterated. No one is going to close the border. Neither republicans nor democrats.

Go cry me a river.

#53 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-02 12:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

We should probably 86 the Statue of Liberty as it is inviting them here:

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

False advertising.

#54 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-02 12:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

#54,

Or amend it to say "Once you get in the front door".

#55 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-02 12:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

Also, where would you get the money?
Rather build a wall to keep out immigrants than fund health care to help out your fellow Americans?

Yes, I would. And leaving ILLEGAL (please don't forget that clownshack, because there is a difference between an immigrant and one that is ILLEGAL) immigrants to continue to pour over the border to a country that cant afford them is irresponsible.

#56 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-02 12:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Or amend it to say "Once you get in the front door".

Posted by boaz at 2014-07-02 12:38 PM | Reply

There's NO FRONT DOOR. There is only an OPEN DOOR.

#57 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-02 12:40 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

There is only an OPEN DOOR.

Well maybe we need to Shut it sometimes. We cant leave it open forever.

#58 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-02 12:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

And where does it say the door is open?

#59 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-02 12:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

It ain't open, thus the debate and the crisis.

Come up with a real solution and not just some empty-rhetoric bravado like "build a wall" or "close the door."

That works for the back of your car, but not for real world problems.

#60 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-02 12:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

----- Perry couldn't get elected dog catcher in Texas today, and he's still running for President?

Another talking head/book seller for Fox.

#61 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-02 12:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

It ain't open, thus the debate and the crisis.

Come up with a real solution and not just some empty-rhetoric bravado like "build a wall" or "close the door."

That works for the back of your car, but not for real world problems.

Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-02 12:44 PM | Reply

Since neither side wants a closed boarder seems to Me it's WIDE OPEN.

#62 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-02 12:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

border too geez

#63 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-02 12:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

Larry,

Good to see you back BTW.

I don't see it as "open" because we are making efforts to detain and return as many as we can. It is loose for certain, and there are many wide gaps, but I still don't see the borders as open.

#64 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-02 12:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

#60 | Posted by kanrei

The border needs to be secured first, Kanrei,

Everything else is just talk.

#65 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-02 12:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

The border needs to be secured first, Kanrei,

Great bumper sticker. Will look AMAZING on the back of your car.

Now tell me HOW.

#66 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-02 12:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

And actually kanrei,

It does work, many countries have fences and military on their borders. It does work, we just need to do it.

#67 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-02 12:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Good to see you back BTW.

I don't see it as "open" because we are making efforts to detain and return as many as we can. It is loose for certain, and there are many wide gaps, but I still don't see the borders as open.

Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-02 12:49 PM | Reply

Thank You Sir. Good to be back.

#68 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-02 12:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Militarize it. Period.

I don't care what Mexico thinks. Mine it. Barbed wire. And roving patrols of military authorized to shoot. High concentrations of soldiers per square mile. Yes, it's going to be expensive but it's the govt's job.

There's no "not doing this" in my mind. It has to be done. We are to be protected and I'm sorry to say it's going to take some muslims coming across the border to change anyone's mind..

#69 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-02 12:55 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

It does work, many countries have fences and military on their borders.

With borders our size? Even the USSR didn't have fences.

Once again Boaz, you are showing you are totally out of touch with anything not military related and, just as a surgeon's first reaction to an illness is to cut, so too is your reaction to kill.

I honestly fear for the day you are in the majority. I pray it never comes.

#70 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-02 12:55 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Mine it.

OK, so you are not even militarily based in your reactions. Mines kill people by mistake all the time...look up the statistics.

Do you want to mine the beaches too? You do know the immigrants swim, right?

#71 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-02 12:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

#69

Yeah! We should do the same thing to our northern border.

Damn Canucks!

And I'm not so such about New England, either, or any of those Yankee bastards!

A wall along the Mason-Dixon Line! Yeah, that's the ticket!

#72 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-02 12:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

-the immigrants swim, right?

Thanks, I fergot! Underwater mines off the south Florida coast!

And don't get me started on California... they are next!

#73 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-02 01:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

How about allowing the police to ask anyone and everyone for proof of citizenship and give them a 007 license to kill anyone caught here illegally. We cal call them the Gestapo or maybe the SS.

"Welcome to America. Papers please."

#74 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-02 01:02 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Why would Obama come to the border and be set up to address the most fundamental indicator of incompetence of any leader....the failure to defend our nation from invasion?

#75 | Posted by Robson at 2014-07-02 01:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Boaz, considering no political party wants to close the fence. Not to mention the money needed. Not to mention the upkeep and guarding necessary. Especially in the wide swaths of desolate regions along the boarder. Not to mention most people aren't in favor of militarizing America.

It's not going to happen.

Also, you ready to pay $5 an orange? Cause without those pesky illegals doing the work no one else wants, produce prices, prices in general, will increase.

#76 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-02 01:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

the failure to defend our nation from invasion

Invasion?

Do many invaders clean your house and work your farms to make your life better for less than no money?

If so, invade my house now!

#77 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-02 01:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why would Obama come to the border and be set up to address the most fundamental indicator of incompetence of any leader....the failure to defend our nation from invasion?

#75 | POSTED BY ROBSON AT 2014-07-02 01:05 PM | FLAG:

How would that make Obama any different than any previous president?

And let's not address the actual incompetence of the BushJr administration that actually allowed, partook in, or carried out, an invasion on American soil.

#78 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-02 01:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

I honestly fear for the day you are in the majority. I pray it never comes.

#70 | Posted by kanrei

We have feared the day you got to power and look what has happened to our country. I would rather try new ideas than go the way we are going now.

I pray we can get you out of office.

#79 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-02 02:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Not to mention the money needed. Not to mention the upkeep and guarding necessary. Especially in the wide swaths of desolate regions along the boarder. Not to mention most people aren't in favor of militarizing America.

1. it's not militarizing America. It would be protecting our borders which is actually what Obama is supposed to be doing.

2. Don't mention money to me. We didn't have money for ObamaCare and you haven't batted an eye at that. We need the money to secure our borders? I say get rid of ObamaCare and use that money for it. [...]

#80 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-02 02:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Posted by boaz at 2014-07-02 02:04 PM | Reply

Oh great screwing over the poor twice.

#81 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-02 02:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

If Perry sends Obama a picture of a golf course and tells him it's on the border, he'll have Air Force One landing within 24 hours.

#82 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-07-02 02:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

For the sake of honest discussion, I accept the proposition that most Americans do want the border secured. However, both Parties and their financial supporters see self benefit and profit for their personal concerns by not securing the border.

The honest issue isn't whether the border should be secured, but rather what is considered an acceptable (moral, financial and social)manner of doing it.

#83 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-07-02 02:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Neither does the society at large.

#2 | Posted by LarryMohr

You be full of crap on that one lar.

#84 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-07-02 02:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

You know it's quite easy peasy to marginalize the Undocumented folks when they come to this country when we have enough. It's very hard to understand their plight. It's hard work to help these folks obtain what we in America take for granted.

#85 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-02 02:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

I suspect polling would show otherwise.

Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-02 10:21 AM | Reply

Not their spending habits when society at large DEMANDS the lowest prices for the goods and service these folks help to provide. They are lying to themselves if they say they are against these people because they sure reap the rewards from their labors.

#5 | Posted by LarryMohr

Can you read lar?

www.fairus.org

#86 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-07-02 02:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

You be full of crap on that one lar.

Posted by Sniper at 2014-07-02 02:45 PM | Reply

Not their spending habits when society at large DEMANDS the lowest prices for the goods and service these folks help to provide. They are lying to themselves if they say they are against these people because they sure reap the rewards from their labors.

#5 | Posted by LarryMohr

#87 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-02 02:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

How do you propose to secure a border thousands of miles long? If you could how would you secure the many thousands of miles of coastlines?
If you were President and young kids came to the border, as they are by the thousands, what would you do with them?

#14 | Posted by danni

We have military all over the world doing that. Let's do ours first and the hell with the rest of the world. They can defend themselves.

#88 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-07-02 02:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Thank NAFTA for displacing 5 million Mexican farmers from their land with US subsidized corn.

#22 | Posted by nutcase

nafta did that? Get a hold of yourself nut.

#89 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-07-02 02:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

2. Don't mention money to me. We didn't have money for ObamaCare and you haven't batted an eye at that. We need the money to secure our borders? I say get rid of ObamaCare and use that money for it. And yes, I would rather secure our borders than give the likes of Sandra Fluke money to ---- like she will never have kids...

Posted by boaz at 2014-07-02

Are we back to Deficits Don't Matter?

Maybe if we hadn't wasted 2 trillion dollars on two needless wars we would have the money to "secure" the borders and maybe even have enough left over for universal health care, too.

But, the previous Deciderer done decided that War and Nation Building (other nations..not ours) was more important than health care and secure borders.

BTW - Obamacare is still projected to cut the national deficit by over $200 billion during its first 10 years and over $1 trillion over the next two decades.

#90 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-07-02 02:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sniper polls are meaningless when they go to the grocery store and buy the lowest cost food products to stretch their food dollar. Americans by and large practice willful ignorance to how they are able to feed their families as cheaply as possible. They tell themselves that they don't support undocumented workers so they can feel better about themselves.

#91 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-02 02:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Let's say you build this fence. They'll either tunnel under it or go around it. Now what??

#35 | Posted by LarryMohr

Pay attention.......... he said put our military there. What part of that don't you understand?

#92 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-07-02 02:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

That is going to take an awful large number of soldiers and when the illegals come anyway what then? Shoot them? Would you shoot a 12 year old kid for trying to come to America?

#40 | Posted by danni

How many troops do we have in europe, korea, and japan? They all get turned back ddan.

#93 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-07-02 03:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

"nafta did that? Get a hold of yourself nut."

Yes, NAFTA did that and more to the Mexican farmers. These were family farms which had allowed Mexicans to live fairly decent lives, there was a price support system for their corn which became illegal with NAFTA. It had operated successfully for decades.

#94 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-02 03:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Pay attention.......... he said put our military there. What part of that don't you understand?

Posted by Sniper at 2014-07-02 02:59 PM | Reply

So you are going to put the military ALL along the coastline as well?? I don't think so.

#95 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-02 03:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

When they start swimming the Gulf of Mexico we can look at the shore line. You dupes bring up the gulf as if they could actually swim it.

#96 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-07-02 03:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

"You dupes bring up the gulf as if they could actually swim it."

Florida is full of immigrants from Caribbean Islands, they land in boats every day, have been for years. Believe it or not Mexicans know about boats too.

#97 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-02 03:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

When Mexicans start coming over on boats we can address that is the point Danni. You were one of the "it's not perfect but, we need to do something" crowd during the ACA debate. Now if it's not perfect on border security you don't want to do anything. Tells me you don't want to do anything to secure the border.

#98 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-07-02 03:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

With borders our size? Even the USSR didn't have fences.

Once again Boaz, you are showing you are totally out of touch with anything not military related and, just as a surgeon's first reaction to an illness is to cut, so too is your reaction to kill.

I honestly fear for the day you are in the majority. I pray it never comes.

#70 | Posted by kanrei

WOW, tell that to the east germans, amoung many others.

I think that chemo fried your brain.

#99 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-07-02 03:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's hard work to help these folks obtain what we in America take for granted.

Again Larry,

We cant subsidize the world. The more people we bring here, don't your realize it just makes the rest of our poor, poorer?

#100 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-02 03:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

We cant subsidize the world. The more people we bring here, don't your realize it just makes the rest of our poor, poorer?

Posted by boaz at 2014-07-02 03:36 PM | Reply

No Sir. It's the greedy corporations that make the poor poorer. NOT the undocumented.

#101 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-02 03:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

WOW, tell that to the east germans, amoung many others.

East Germany was a fence and look how well that worked out for them. Where were the other ussr walls exactly?

You think the chemo fried my brain? I think you lack one to fry.

#102 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-02 03:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The more people we bring here, don't your realize it just makes the rest of our poor, poorer?"

I'm glad that you agree with Zero Population Growth, Boaz.

#103 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-07-02 03:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

WOW, tell that to the east germans, amoung many others.

I think that chemo fried your brain.

#99 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-07-02 03:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

www.newseum.org

The Berlin Wall didn't stop all East Germans. An estimated 10,000 of them tried to escape to the West. About 5,000 made it.

#104 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-02 03:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

About 5,000 made it.

#104 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-02 03:48 PMFlag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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Better numbers than 50k a month.

#105 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-07-02 03:50 PM | Reply | Flag:


I'm glad that you agree with Zero Population Growth, Boaz.

#103 | Posted by nullifidian

Who knew we grew Mexicans?

#106 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-02 03:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

Better numbers than 50k a month.

#105 | Posted by Dalton

Much smaller country with a much smaller border.

#107 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-07-02 03:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Who knew we grew Mexicans?"

Are you in favor of zero population growth or not, Boaz?

#108 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-07-02 03:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Length of border between West Berlin and East Germany: 111.9 km (69.5 mi)

1,933 miles
According to the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS), the length of the International Boundary line of the U.S.-Canadian border, excluding Alaska, is approximately 3,987 miles, while the length of the U.S.-Mexican border is estimated at 1,933 miles.

#109 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-02 03:55 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-07-02 11:46 AM | Reply

When you go to the grocery store. Do you pick the most expensive produce or the cheapest??

#29 | Posted by LarryMohr

The closest bBaBles gets to produce, is a lime for his margarita.

#110 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-07-02 03:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Pay attention.......... he said put our military there. What part of that don't you understand?
#92 | Posted by Sniper

So, your plan is to have our military fire on unarmed civilians including women and children attempting to enter the country, or what, exactly?

That's the part I don't understand.

#111 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-02 04:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The Berlin Wall didn't stop all East Germans. An estimated 10,000 of them tried to escape to the West. About 5,000 made it."

My point in bringing up East Germany was that their border guards were willing to shoot and kill anyone they say trying to escape but I doubt we would want to ask our border guards to do that to illegals trying to enter the US. At least I hope we wouldn't go that far just to stop poor people who are just trying to find a way to earn a living.

#112 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-02 04:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

My gun-nut roommate's single solution to the illegal immigration problem:

"Simple, mount gun turrets all along the border fence line. Anyone entering 'no-man's land' gets gatling fire right to the face!"

Makes sense to me, I mean if you want a true deterrent and all.

[/snark]

#113 | Posted by CALIbertarian at 2014-07-02 04:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why is our country like this?

Capitalism. Duh!

#114 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-07-02 04:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

When they start swimming the Gulf of Mexico we can look at the shore line. You dupes bring up the gulf as if they could actually swim it.
#96 | POSTED BY DALTON

What? Illegals from Central/South America and Mexico cross the border in San Diego via boat all the time.

And why is this only being viewed as a Mexican border issue? Immigrants come here VERY legally and end up staying when that legality expires.

Nearly half of all the unauthorized migrants now living in the United States entered the country legally through a port of entry such as an airport or a border crossing point where they were subject to inspection by immigration officials, according to new estimates from the Pew Hispanic Center.

As much as 45% of the total unauthorized migrant population entered the country with visas that allowed them to visit or reside in the U.S. for a limited amount of time. Known as "overstayers," these migrants became part of the unauthorized population when they remained in the country after their visas had expired.

pewhispanic.org

So BOAZ's militarization plan addresses only HALF the issue at best, not even considering the abhorrent basis of his method. BTW, BOAZ, you do know that the U.S. is looking to take on a new anti-land mine policy, right?

U.S. Wouldn't Produce Antipersonnel Land Mines or Acquire New Ones

online.wsj.com

What should be considered as of RIGHT NOW is the health crisis that very well could be taking place in the near future if we continue piling these swaths of illegal immigrants caught at the border in small places like we currently have been doing. You want a prime environment for a pandemic? You've got one at the Texas Border Patrol holding facilities.

#115 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-07-02 05:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

President to Perry:

"Come out of the closet already."

#116 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-07-02 05:13 PM | Reply | Flag:


That's the part I don't understand.

#111 | Posted by snoofy

You understand, you are just playing stupid. You know our military isn't going to fire on civilians. But we will round them up unapologetically and send them back home. If it happens enough, maybe they will get it through their heads they cant come here illegally and stay.

#117 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-02 06:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

"You know our military isn't going to fire on civilians"

unless they are muslims in another country, of course.

#118 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-07-02 06:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

The way other countries do it. Militarize it.
#23 | Posted by boaz

And you'd be happy to pay the extra taxes to pay for it?

#119 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2014-07-02 06:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

And you'd be happy to pay the extra taxes to pay for it?

#119 | POSTED BY TFDNIHILIST

Absolutely. I would LOVE for the tax code to fully fund the government.

Lefties believe that most people love big-government. A lot less would love it if they had to actually pay for it (our deficits and debt are proof positive that we aren't paying for our government). It's precisely why leftists don't actually care about debt and deficits - fiscal responsibility would shine a very bright light on just how expensive leftist governance is.

#120 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-02 06:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

I am shocked no one has brought up the very reasonable solution proposed by the totally serious movie "Coneheads":

www.youtube.com

"Why am I the only one that can see the problem?"

#121 | Posted by bartimus at 2014-07-02 06:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

And you'd be happy to pay the extra taxes to pay for it?

Before welfare, of course..it's what our country is supposed to be doing..

#122 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-02 07:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

" It's precisely why leftists don't actually care about debt and deficits"

Gee Jeff, you've found a new low. Who was the last President to balance the budget? Who produced a surplus that your guy said he needed to return to taxpayers as he spent like a drunken sailor on two wars, Medicare Part D and big tax cuts for the rich all at the same time and all justified with "deficits don't matter?"
Now the deficit is shrinking, we're out of Iraq and soon to be out of Afghanistan. The President would love to fix the infrastructure by ending tax loopholes for rich corporations but the GOP says no, we can't close no stinking loop holes.
You're getting to be a bit laughable, almost to AKABL2 territory, sad to say.

#123 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-02 07:12 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Why? Other countries have beaches and don't seem to have a problem with their immigration."

What are you talking about. Europe has a huge problem with illegal immigrants, Italy has them landing on their beaches every day. A U.S. Naval ship had to rescue several hundred just the other day. China has illegal N. Koreans crossing over. Illegal immigration is a worldwide problem as people in very poor countries seek better lives in richer ones.

#124 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-02 07:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

Who was the last President to balance the budget?

It was Clinton and with a GOP House. Also, the only reason it balanced was because the SS lockbox was merged with the treasury.

Who produced a surplus that your guy said he needed to return to taxpayers as he spent like a drunken sailor on two wars, Medicare Part D and big tax cuts for the rich all at the same time and all justified with "deficits don't matter?"

Epic fail. I have been a consistent critic of the GOP's reckless fiscal policies during the Bush years.

Now the deficit is shrinking,

Wow. That's impressive. Using a $1.3 trillion deficit as the starting point and then rejoicing that it's shrinking is NOT an accomplishment.

we're out of Iraq

Obama was handed a relatively stable Iraq and now it's in horrible shape.

The President would love to fix the infrastructure by ending tax loopholes for rich corporations but the GOP says no, we can't close no stinking loop holes.

I seem to recall, the Ryan budgets tracking pretty closely to Simpson Bowles (which Obama disavowed) in regards to tax policy. How did you beloved Dems respond? Vicious attack ads.

Also, wasn't the Stimulus supposed to shore up infrastructure? Shovel-ready jobs and all of that?

You're getting to be a bit laughable

Funny. You feel that way because you view EVERYTHING through partisan and political lenses.

There simply isn't nearly enough money in the top tax brackets to fund all of this crap. I am actually calling for accross-the-board tax increases to actually fund our federal government. If the left wants a leviathan, then let's actually pay for it.

I don't think you would ever support the across-the-board tax hikes necessary to actually fund the beast. And, if it happened, you would see an outraged public scream to have the beast gutted.

#125 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-02 07:27 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

At least I hope we wouldn't go that far just to stop poor people who are just trying to find a way to earn a living.

#112 | Posted by danni

You only do that because you are not a True Patriot. You are one of them squishy Democrats who believes in basic human rights.

Now Boaz is a True Republican Patriot. He would GLADLY kill them Mexican Chillins indiscriminately without a second thought given half a chance.

Now there is a Real man!

You know our military isn't going to fire on civilians. But we will round them up unapologetically and send them back home.

LOL...Like our military has never fired on brown civilians before.

#126 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-07-02 07:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Also, wasn't the Stimulus supposed to shore up infrastructure? Shovel-ready jobs and all of that?"

It did but we have a lot of crumbling infrastructure, realize if you can, half of the stimulus was a tax cut.

#127 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-02 07:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

"There simply isn't nearly enough money in the top tax brackets to fund all of this crap."

Do you ever look at the charts that show the percentage of the wealth owned by the top few percent? YOu comment is ridiculous. They have accumulated more wealth since the Reagan tax cuts than any people have ever accumulated in the history of the world. Thank God though, you're there to defend them from having to pay even the same tax rates that the rest of us have to pay, no, no, no, their taxes are limited to a maximum of 20% because they gain their income through capital gains instead of earned income. And then they discount that with all sorts of loop holes, etc. and end up paying a tiny percentage of their income. Go cheer for them Jeff.

#128 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-02 08:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Wow. That's impressive. Using a $1.3 trillion deficit as the starting point and then rejoicing that it's shrinking is NOT an accomplishment."

Well don't appoint another President who will start two wars and cut taxes at the same time and then crash the economy leaving the entire mess in the hands of his successor. Blaming Obama for the deficits is like blaming the janitor because the garbage cans are full.

#129 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-02 08:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

fiscal responsibility would shine a very bright light on just how expensive leftist governance is.

#120 | Posted by JeffJ

It's absolutely ridiculous to claim it's the left that fights taxes.

#130 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2014-07-02 08:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

Before welfare, of course..

#122 | Posted by boaz

Actually, that's a great plan. Once the Mexicans see that we let our own citizens die in the streets or turn to crime to survive, why would they want to come here?

#131 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2014-07-02 08:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's absolutely ridiculous to claim it's the left that fights taxes.

#130 | POSTED BY TFDNIHILIST

The left supports punitive taxes on those whom they despise.

The American left would never support the degree of lower and middle class taxes necessary to support their behemoth.

The backlash would kill the beast and it must be fed at all times

.Do you ever look at the charts that show the percentage of the wealth owned by the top few percent? YOu comment is ridiculous. They have accumulated more wealth since the Reagan tax cuts than any people have ever accumulated in the history of the world. Thank God though, you're there to defend them from having to pay even the same tax rates that the rest of us have to pay, no, no, no, their taxes are limited to a maximum of 20% because they gain their income through capital gains instead of earned income. And then they discount that with all sorts of loop holes, etc. and end up paying a tiny percentage of their income. Go cheer for them Jeff. Posted by Danni

Please remove your partisan blinders.

We don't have a 'wealth tax' in this country. We have an 'income tax'.

Look at the charts - there is simply NOT enough money in the high income brackets to tax in order to fund your beast.

Again - let's raise the tax rates, on ALL brackets to the point where we can fund this crap. Progressivism is hiding behind debts and deficits.

#132 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-02 08:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

125 | Posted by JeffJ

Good post...

#133 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-02 09:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

the pres isn't going to the border...he's FUND RAISING...

but it's just as well...the less he's here the less the stain is on my great state.

#134 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-07-02 09:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

"It was Clinton and with a GOP House. Also, the only reason it balanced was because the SS lockbox was merged with the treasury"

Patently, untrue.

"Q: During the Clinton administration was the federal budget balanced? Was the federal deficit erased?
A: Yes to both questions, whether you count Social Security or not"

www.factcheck.org

#135 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-02 09:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Again - let's raise the tax rates, on ALL brackets to the point where we can fund this crap. Progressivism is hiding behind debts and deficits."

Yes let's raise taxes as we did in the past with great success. It always sort of perplexes me that so many on the right remember our past decades of greatness but don't want to actually learn what made that happen. It wasn't an accident and it wasn't American exceptionalism. It was Americans willing to pay for greatness in infrastructure, education, military, etc. It wasn't just about greed in those days. Yes, there were greedy people in those days but they weren't considered great leaders, they were considered greedy scum bags.

#136 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-02 10:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Look at the charts - there is simply NOT enough money in the high income brackets to tax in order to fund your beast.

Again - let's raise the tax rates, on ALL brackets to the point where we can fund this crap. Progressivism is hiding behind debts and deficits.

#132 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-02 08:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yet there's enough monies to waste 4 to 6 TRILLION dollars in Iraq. Something that You overwhelmingly supported. Funny dat be in quadruplicate spades.

#137 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-07-02 11:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

It might be good for Mexico if we close the border except for plane travel.This lets people move but not drugs. The cartel has bills to pay, the over head running a criminal enterprise is considerable. Our security is reasonable in airports and it is much easier to catch smugglers on a plane than at a highway crossing. It makes illegal entree into the US harder. Make it for an unannounced amount of time so the Mexicans can vanquish the cartels. Stop the majority of the drugs and all the money and the Mexicans might have a crack at winning.
Every Mexican I know hates the cartels. What they have is a civil war where monsters rule big hunks of the country, fueled and funded by our appetite for drugs.

#138 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-07-03 12:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

It might be good for Mexico if we close the border except for plane travel.This lets people move but not drugs.

#138 | POSTED BY DOCNJO AT 2014-07-03 12:18 AM | FLAG:

HAHAHAHAHAH holy ---- somebody invoked the war on drugs like it could work!

#139 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-07-03 08:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

I am actually calling for accross-the-board tax increases to actually fund our federal government. If the left wants a leviathan, then let's actually pay for it.

I don't think you would ever support the across-the-board tax hikes necessary to actually fund the beast. And, if it happened, you would see an outraged public scream to have the beast gutted.

#125 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-02 07:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

Agreed. But it will never happen.

#140 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-03 09:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

President to Perry: take your meds and why didn't you expect Regan Bush and W do come to the border and do something abut it?

#141 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2014-07-03 11:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

It might be good for Mexico if we close the border except for plane travel.

That would make it impossible for many people to be able to afford to cross the border, kill a lot of tourism and hurt businesses on both sides of the border that attract shoppers from the other country.

#142 | Posted by rcade at 2014-07-03 11:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

That would make it impossible for many people to be able to afford to cross the border, kill a lot of tourism and hurt businesses on both sides of the border that attract shoppers from the other country.

It would hurt them more than it would hurt us.

#143 | Posted by boaz at 2014-07-03 05:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

1. it's not militarizing America. It would be protecting our borders which is actually what Obama is supposed to be doing.
2. Don't mention money to me. We didn't have money for ObamaCare and you haven't batted an eye at that. We need the money to secure our borders? I say get rid of ObamaCare and use that money for it. [...]

#80 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2014-07-02 02:04 PM | FLAG:

1. It is militarizing our border. Therefore. Militarizing America.

2. You're dumb as dirt. If your hero BushJr hadn't allowed 9/11 to occur and then started two absolutely meaningless wars, bankrupt our economy, and put us in debt to China. Along with killing thousands of innocent men women and children in the Middle East. Then we wouldn't be in this dung heap we find ourselves in.

And for a guy that fed off the government teet you're quick to dismiss the opportunity for our country to provide for the health and well being of its citizens.

3. The border will never be secured.

#144 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-03 07:01 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

When Mexicans start coming over on boats we can address that is the point Danni. You were one of the "it's not perfect but, we need to do something" crowd during the ACA debate. Now if it's not perfect on border security you don't want to do anything. Tells me you don't want to do anything to secure the border.

#98 | POSTED BY DALTON AT 2014-07-02 03:30 PM | FLAG:

It would happen the day after the wall was built.

You always this shortsighted?

Or do you think this magical wall will keep you safe from dumping in your pantaloons?

#145 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-03 07:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

You know who else uses walls?

Israel.

At least they provide healthcare and eduction for their citizens.

Thanks to American taxpayer funding.

#146 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-03 07:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Let's say you build this fence. They'll either tunnel under it or go around it. Now what??
#35 | Posted by LarryMohr

Pay attention.......... he said put our military there. What part of that don't you understand?
#92 | POSTED BY SNIPER AT 2014-07-02 02:59 PM | FLAG:

Thinking isn't one of Sniper's strengths.

He probably has other skills he uses to get through life.

#147 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-03 07:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal," -Nixon/Obama

#148 | Posted by visitor_ at 2014-07-03 10:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

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