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Wednesday, July 02, 2014

According to a Quinnipiac University poll released Wednesday, 33 percent of voters think the current president is the worst since 1945.

Obama's predecessor, former President George W. Bush, came in at second-worst with 28 percent, and Richard Nixon was in third place with 13 percent of the vote. After Jimmy Carter, who 8 percent of voters said was the worst president in the time period, no other president received more than 3 percent.

Thirty-five percent of voters said Ronald Reagan was the best president since World War II, receiving nearly twice as many votes as any other former president. Bill Clinton came in second place at 18 percent, while John F. Kennedy came in third with 15 percent of the vote and Obama came in fourth with 8 percent saying he was the best.

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Epilogue: Forty-five percent of voters said the U.S. would be better off with Mitt Romney serving in the White House, compared to 38 percent who said the country would be in worse shape!!

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I can't wait to see Danni's head explode when she reads this....

#1 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-07-02 07:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

Oh the brutality...

#2 | Posted by justanoversight at 2014-07-02 08:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

BTW, this poll is incredibly racist. People would not believe all the phony scandals if the president wasn't half black.

#3 | Posted by justanoversight at 2014-07-02 08:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

Richard Nixon cost this country 25,000 military personnel by extending the Vietnam War, on purpose, for political reasons as is proven by the tape of President Johnson and Speaker Everett Dirkson discussing the Nixon campaigns secret negotiations with the N. Vietnamese, convincing them to back away from the Paris peace talks.
Ronald Reagan's crew did similarly when they negotiated with the Iranians to hold our hostages until after the election.
H.W. Bush took 400,000 men and unnecessarily invaded Iraq.
G.W. Bush took 150,000, invaded again and then occupied the nation leaving what we are witnessing today...total disaster.

The 38% who say Obama is the worst President since WWII would have said the exact same thing on his first day in the oval office.

Buy a clue Mustang. Your heroes have sold out this country repeatedly for personal gain.

#4 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-02 08:21 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

#4 KABOOM!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

If you read a breakout of the poll on the Quinnipiac webstie, you'll see he gets crushed by the independents. Buy a clue, Danni....Obama is incompetent.

#5 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-07-02 08:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Buy a clue, Danni....Obama is incompetent."

Compared to his predecessor, who you voted for twice, he is a freaking genius. Have you dared to turn your TV on lately to see what is happening in that great democracy in the middle east we created? How much is your house worth, is it back up to the 2007 value yet? I am laughing at you.

#6 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-02 08:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

#6 Fail, Danni. I didn't vote for GWB. And your deflection does nothing to change the fact that more people believe Obama is the worst president since WWII than any other president.

#7 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-07-02 09:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

#6 Fail, Danni. I didn't vote for GWB. And your deflection does nothing to change the fact that more people believe Obama is the worst president since WWII than any other president.

#7 | POSTED BY MUSTANG GT

This fact is really pissing her off.

#8 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-02 09:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

The 38% who say Obama is the worst President since WWII would have said the exact same thing on his first day in the oval office.

He came into office with a 70% approval rating.

Your assertion is numerically impossible.

#9 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-02 09:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

Great thread Stang! I imagine it is doomed to backpage status until it's eventually killed.

#10 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-07-02 09:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

One thing this thread proves is Danni is one of the 8% that would say Obama was the best. It's also surprising that 45% of people think we would be better off with Romney. I guess when people figure out terrorist or al queda isn't on the run and GM isn't dead but, is killing people for profits they regret their votes.

#11 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-07-02 09:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

Gee Jeff, you mean Bush didn't get us tangled up in two wars and collapse the economy and you mean Obama didn't have to salvage the economy and get us untangled from Bush's war failures? You guys have a terrible hand to play, I almost feel sorry for you. BTW, are you under the impression that Obama has to run for office again? Who has lower poll numbers anyway, Obama or Republicans in Congress? Also, you posted a poll the other day which I went through and found the statistic that Obama would still beat Romney even if the election were redone today...and that was from your own poll that you posted.

#12 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-02 09:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

"One thing this thread proves is Danni is one of the 8% that would say Obama was the best."

Since WWII? Nope. I probably would give that honor to Kennedy.

#13 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-02 09:26 AM | Reply | Flag:

I would though say that G.W. Bush wasn't the worst president since WWII, Nixon takes that honor. Sacrificing 25,000 soldiers for his own reelection was a war crime unparalleled in American history. His treasonous dealings with the N. Vietnames before his first election as President qualified him for worst President before he was ever elected.

#14 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-02 09:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

#14 ...and that's you. 33% of Americans say otherwise according to the poll.

#15 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-07-02 09:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

I don't like Obama. But if you think Obama is the worst out of the last two, you're an idiot.

#16 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-02 09:37 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

33% of Americans say otherwise according to the poll.

#15 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-07-02 09:35 AM

I agree with something posted above. This stat is merely measuring the right-wing. Included in the number are, frankly, just a whole lot of freaks.

A question I hope this poll asked these respondent is if they can name the presidents since 1945?

#17 | Posted by Zed at 2014-07-02 09:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

"#14 ...and that's you."

No, that's not just me. That is a fact regardless of how many people are aware of it, some folks aren't well informed which also accounts for your 33% figure.

#18 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-02 09:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

I don't like Obama. But if you think Obama is the worst out of the last two, you're an idiot.

#16 | POSTED BY SULLY

Apparently, yours is a minority opinion on this.

#19 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-02 09:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

I would though say that G.W. Bush wasn't the worst president since WWII, Nixon takes that honor.

#14 | Posted by danni at 2014

Both W. and Nixon had failed presidencies.

I'm sorry, George. I didn't wait the required 50 years for history to decide that. On the other hand, the respondents to this poll didn't wait that long either.

#20 | Posted by Zed at 2014-07-02 09:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

Don't you love how Danni presents her opinion as unassailable fact?

#21 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-02 09:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

Don't you love how Danni presents her opinion as unassailable fact?

#21 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-02 09:50 AM

She imitates you then.

I love how the right-wing changes who they think is the worst president.

I see Harry Truman is no longer on the list. Damn, you people used to loathe him. Likely most on this polling sample never heard of him.

Neither is Bill Clinton, and you people seriously thought he was a rapist and murderer.

#22 | Posted by Zed at 2014-07-02 09:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

She imitates you then.

Nope.

I am not even saying I agree with the results of this poll (his presidency isn't even over yet, so ranking him is pretty much moot), and even if I did, I express my opinion as opinion.

Try again.

#23 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-02 10:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

Try again.

#23 | Posted by JeffJ at

OK.

Between Nixon and George W. Bush, Bush failed worst. Nixon was an evil man, and a bright man, but he never had the vision to screw over his own country that way that George did.

Its going to take a generation to repair it. That's thirty years.

#24 | Posted by Zed at 2014-07-02 10:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

Apparently, yours is a minority opinion on this.

#19 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-02 09:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

Maybe. But the results of this poll don't tell us that because that is not what this is measuring. Someone who thinks Nixon or Carter is the worst president since WWII can still believe Bush is worse than Obama. We only know that the 33% who think Obama is the worst believe that Obama is worst than Bush. And I'm fine with writing them off as morons. I don't think Obama is a good president but Bush was like having a guy in office who was trying to screw us over.

#25 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-02 10:18 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

was like having a guy in office who was trying to screw us over.

#25 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07

That's exactly what it was like. Horrible to say, likely because it was true. We'd blanche if we understood his motivations.

#26 | Posted by Zed at 2014-07-02 10:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

#18 | POSTED BY DANNI

Let me get this straight. A poll in your favor is valid, but a poll that shows you in the minority is flawed? What makes you think that if a portion of the 33% "aren't well informed" that a similar statistical portion of the 29% who voted for Bush aren't likewise "not well informed" AND that you aren't part of that misinformed wedge?

#27 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-07-02 10:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

Had it not been for Iraq, the Bush presidency would likely be well-regarded by lefties as time passes.

He massively grew the government. He added a new entitlement. NCLB is the mother of Common Core - a top-down approach to education that progressives favor.

Now, I get that lefties don't like his judicial appointments and many didn't like the Patriot Act (although, many of those have no problem with Obama expanding upon it). Also, lefties didn't like his deficits (again, many of those are completely fine with Obama's much larger deficits). His tax cuts irked many as well.

But, all in all, 'compassionate conservatism' is, in reality, big-government liberalism that lefties favor.

#28 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-02 10:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

Had it not been for Iraq,

#28 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-

Had it not been for his second head.

A few months ago someone posted something really true. It may have been SULLY. The argument was that George was so freaking bad he drove conservatives crazy.

A lot of the nonsense of the last six years is explainable in this way. Modern Republican mythology demands that Obama be worse than Bush.

In hindsight we can see that their attitude was inevitable.

#29 | Posted by Zed at 2014-07-02 10:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

My point being, Larry, is that Article 1, Section 8 is pretty specific.

If it were to confer limitless powers to congress, the 10th Amendment would have never even been written.

#30 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-02 10:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

We all know statistics lie and liers use statistics. The Neocons will always be known as the traitors who took america to war for personal gain.

It is obvious who was contacted for this survey whether they lied about their political affiliation or not.

The real question is, will we see a reply of Rove getting caught with his hand in the cookie jar again.

#31 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2014-07-02 10:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Don't you love how Danni presents her opinion as unassailable fact?"

I've listened to the tape recording of President Johnson discussing it with Speaker Everett Dirkson, a Republican BTW, who acknowledged that it happened and that it was treason. If you haven't why not? Because you can't handle the truth?

#32 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-02 10:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Had it not been for Iraq, the Bush presidency would likely be well-regarded by lefties as time passes."

Not really, there is still that little economic catastrophe thingy.

#33 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-02 10:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

"AND that you aren't part of that misinformed wedge?"

Call me misinformed if you want but I was out protesting the Iraq invasion before we invaded. We protested at Young Circle in downtown Hollywood, FL while yahoos drove by calling us all traitors.

#34 | Posted by danni at 2014-07-02 11:00 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

HAhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
!

That is about all I can muster.

#35 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-02 11:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

We all know statistics lie and liers use statistics.

But apparently you don't know the difference between statistics and opinion polls.

#36 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-07-02 11:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

"NCLB is the mother of Common Core - a top-down approach to education that progressives favor."

I don't know a single progressive or liberal who favors NCLB. I know many who like the idea of Common Core/nationwide standards, but none of them is in favor of the testing regimen that federal gov't (and conservative leaders) favors.

The first part of your sentence is spot-on, though.

#37 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-07-02 11:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

#28 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-02 10:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

Bush had some bad things happen during his presidency that weren't completey (or even mostly) his fault. I'm talking about 9/11 and the ecnomy tanking.

But he just handled them so badly as to make them much worse. If our enemies could have chosen how we would respond to 9/11, they couldn't have done worse for us than Bush.

Had he been president when Clinton was president, he might be fondly remembered. Clinton was more lucky than good.

#38 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-02 11:31 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

90% of a Presidency is luck or timing. Just ask Carter.

#39 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2014-07-02 11:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

Obama voters need only blame themselves for electing a man who has no business being POTUS. A lot of us said this in 2012. A lot said it in 2008. This is what you get, America: A contracting economy, the disaster of Obamacare, government agencies attacking critics of the administration, and a far more dangerous world. Everyone with any sense made these predictions 6 years ago. A majority did not listen. You reap what you sow. Nice work libs.

#40 | Posted by justanoversight at 2014-07-02 12:36 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#40 | Posted by justanoversight at

No one's really lamenting the missed chance at a Romney presidency in 2012. Your side hated that man worse than we did, and now you want to whine about the lost utopia.

Hypocrisy and bloody-minded meanness lead you into some stupid places.

#41 | Posted by Zed at 2014-07-02 01:11 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

#40 | POSTED BY JUSTANOVERSIGHT AT 2014-07-02 12:36 PM | REPLY | FLAG

This all may be true. But Obama wasn't running in a vacuum. I'm not a fan of Obama (disclaimer - I did vote for him in '08 but not '12), but I'd still choose him over McCain or Romney any day.

#42 | Posted by dylanfan at 2014-07-02 01:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

It would be nice to see how people stack-rank the Presidents.

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-02 01:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't think Obama is the worst president....in fact, I would rank him higher than GWB.

And I'm not losing a seconds sleep over McCain or Romney not being president either. Neither one deserved to win and I don't think either would have done any better than Obama.

but.........this is entertaining anyway.

:-)

#44 | Posted by eberly at 2014-07-02 02:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Modern Republican mythology demands that Obama be worse than Bush."

Funny that you can notice partisan hackery when you see it.......except when it's right in front of you....... in the mirror.

#45 | Posted by eberly at 2014-07-02 02:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Funny that you can notice partisan hackery

#45 | Posted by eberly at 2014-07-02 02:03

Its how they've convinced themselves they need to think. You diminish its power with a word like hackery. These people are often crazy.

Crazy. Maybe they'll do something like set up sniper positions in Nevada to prove it some day.

#46 | Posted by Zed at 2014-07-02 03:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hypocrisy and bloody-minded meanness lead you into some stupid places.

#41 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2014-07-02 01:11 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1

Takes one to know one Zed. Whatever criticism you believe is foisted upon Obama is but a smidgen compared to the vitriol heaped upon Bush. Nevertheless, strap on your HOPE hat and proudly wear your YES WE CAN t-shirt. Own the stupid that was supporting a man that should have never been POTUS. Cause you, Danni, Corky, et al are way beyond stupid and safely ensconced in delusion.

#47 | Posted by justanoversight at 2014-07-02 03:50 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I'd like to see a Venn diagram of those who said Reagan was the best, and Obama was the worst.

I'm guessing said diagram would just look like a somewhat blurry circle.

#48 | Posted by TheTom at 2014-07-02 05:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ronald Reagan the best?

Obviously skewed results.

However, none of if means anything, of course.

"The true history of my administration will be written 50 years from now, and you and I will not be around to see it."

#49 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-07-02 05:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

"However, none of if means anything, of course."

you're funny.

"It's not true!!!"

"Oh, well....then IT DOESN'T MATTER THEN!!"

#50 | Posted by eberly at 2014-07-02 05:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Reagan was best in this poll?

OK. But I think the case can be made that Ike and/or Truman were better.

Surprising that Danni chose Kennedy. I would give his presidency an incomplete.

#51 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-02 06:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Once Obama Derangement Syndrome subsides with the introduction of the next administration, I have no doubt history will judge him and congress correctly.

He already has credit for some "pretty big deals".

#52 | Posted by fresno500 at 2014-07-02 07:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

I feel like people are always going to rate the man currently in office lower than anyone else. People expect all of their problems to be solved by the current administration and that is a tough task in the best circumstances.

#53 | Posted by mariosanchez at 2014-07-03 12:43 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

These kind of polls comparing those in office to those out of office are pretty much laughable.

I guarantee you that Bush was the worst when he was in office, same with Carter. Maybe not Bubba 'cause times were perceived as good.

You'll be amazed at how much better their polls are after they are out of office a few years.

Just look at GW.

#54 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-03 12:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

What!?

A poll?

Those are always informative and always 100% accurate.

#55 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-03 01:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

Quinnipiac university?

What's the median age?

20?

This poll might as well come from the onion.

#56 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-07-03 01:27 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'm glad that I can actually get some validation with this story. I've been saying this all along.

#57 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2014-07-03 07:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

The 3 guys behind Vietnam get a combined 16% worst... with a draft, 58,220 dead US soldiers, and 300,000+ wounded...

This poll doesn't seem rational.

#58 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-07-03 08:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

Surprising that Danni chose Kennedy. I would give his presidency an incomplete.

#51 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-07-02 06:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

She was for the Vietnam War before she was against it.

#59 | Posted by sully at 2014-07-03 09:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

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