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Israel's nearly three-week vigil for three teens kidnapped in the West Bank -- including one with U.S. citizenship -- ended grimly Monday, with the discovery of their bodies just north of Hebron. The search for Eyal Yifrach, 19; Gilad Shaar, 16; and Naftali Frenkel, also 16, who were snatched while hitchhiking, ended even as Israeli forces were conducting raids in the West Bank, where Hamas operates. Frenkel holds dual U.S.-Israeli citizenship.Israeli forces were massing Monday in the West Bank village of Halhul, just north of Hebron. Sources said the bodies were found in a shallow grave in an open field. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was expected to speak on the discovery later Monday.

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The abductions outraged the Jewish state as well as the international community, and several vigils and rallies were held around the U.S. during the intensive hunt. Hundreds of Palestinians took part in the search, dubbed "Brother's Keeper."

The three youths disappeared as they were heading home from a West Bank religious school. Israeli officials said at the time that one of the teens called a police emergency line around 10:25 p.m. local time and said: "We've been kidnapped." They were not heard from again.

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They died and went to Hebron...

#1 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-06-30 04:26 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

They were hitchhiking through a Hamas controlled territory at night? Really? My sympathies to the families, but it wasn't the best decision. It's like a Caucasian walking through Bedford–Stuyvesant shouting epithets during Kwanza.

#2 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2014-06-30 04:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

If they just went back to the prevailing borders before the 1967 Six-Day War this would never happen.
signed the DR left.

#3 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-30 04:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Two observations:

First:
The victims put themselves in a bad situation. Recognizing the RESULTS of self-inflicted stupidity is a CORRECT action.

Second:
No matter how much self inflicted stupidity RESULTED in evil people getting the chance to carry out evil acts, the evil scum that carry out those evil acts retain 100% FULL responsibility, REGARDLESS of how stupid the victims were.

Usually these debates of where responsibility lies in cases where stupidity contributed to the opportunity for evil are over some rape case. The crime does not make a difference. And the foolishly common mistake is that there is only ONE batch of 'responsibility' to place. The truth is that there are TWO batches of responsibility. The PERP is fully responsible for all perp actions. The victim is full responsible for his (or her) own stupidity (assuming there is any stupidity...).

Victim stupidity never absolves the perp, but the fact that the perp is NOT absolved does NOT mean that victim stupidity should not be recognized and called out.

#4 | Posted by USAF242 at 2014-06-30 05:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Victim stupidity never absolves the perp, but the fact that the perp is NOT absolved does NOT mean that victim stupidity should not be recognized and called out.

#4 | Posted by USAF242 at 2014-06-30 05:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

That's how I feel.

#5 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-30 05:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Victim stupidity never absolves the perp, but the fact that the perp is NOT absolved does NOT mean that victim stupidity should not be recognized and called out."

That is one difficult sentence to read. Throw a couple double negatives in there and it should be fixed.

#6 | Posted by CaseyJones at 2014-06-30 05:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Nobody should be absolved. That goes without saying.

#7 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2014-06-30 05:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's sad, but.........It's like the idiot parents here that send their blonde underage darling girls to Aruba for spring break and are shocked when bad things happen. Should you be able to walk free, yes. Can you, no?

#8 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2014-06-30 05:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

# 8

Exactly. Just like those girls who wear super mini dresses, and then ended up getting raped. They had it coming.

#9 | Posted by CaseyJones at 2014-06-30 06:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

""Victim stupidity never absolves the perp, but the fact that the perp is NOT absolved does NOT mean that victim stupidity should not be recognized and called out."

That is one difficult sentence to read. Throw a couple double negatives in there and it should be fixed.

#6 | Posted by CaseyJones"

Agreed. Capitalizing the third "not" would have made the sentence much more stylish, and maybe more fixed.

#10 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2014-06-30 06:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

#9 Exactly. Depending on the area they were walking. I am free to walk down MKL BLVD as a white woman at 11pm. The same area that has seen five murders in the last 4 weeks. I should be able to walk that area 24/7 safely, but I can't. And only a fool black or white would think they can.

#11 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2014-06-30 06:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why are you liberals dancing around the real issue? Jewish teens walking around a MUSLIM area at night.

Can someone say it please?

#12 | Posted by boaz at 2014-06-30 07:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Can someone say it please?

#12 | Posted by boaz

Ok I will say it.

The Religulous are insane.

#13 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-30 07:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

I agree. Isis is not a religion, it's a cult as is taliban, hamas, and all the rest of the thugs who are uneducated and only want to make war as that is all they know.

#15 | Posted by cloudsley at 2014-06-30 07:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

I agree. Isis is not a religion, it's a cult as is taliban, hamas, and all the rest of the thugs who are uneducated and only want to make war as that is all they know.

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That is what most of the educated world outside of the USA thinks of Israel; and they have far more credible evidence to back up the claim than you have for yours.

#16 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-06-30 08:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

A truly horrendous incident . But the 3 young men got to live a lot longer than the 20 first graders massacred by an American gun-nut in New Town Connecticut.

#17 | Posted by SammyAZ_RI at 2014-06-30 08:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

Damn Sammy,I finallyunderstand the meaning of strawman.Pro-lifers will say "at least those firstgraders lived a lot longer than the aborted"

#18 | Posted by bruceaz at 2014-06-30 09:14 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

That's right Shawn. And all those muslims only want peace and love, right?

#19 | Posted by boaz at 2014-06-30 09:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

"all those muslims only want peace and love, right?"

boaz wants peace and love. check out his track record if you think i'm kidding.

he can't stand it that the muslims don't-- but wait, maybe they do. it's all on how one defines peace.

peace through violence.

love through hatred.

perpetual security breeds perpetual fear...

...superpatriotic american or middle eastern jihadi-- it all makes perfect sense when one is bat guano insane...

#20 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-30 10:02 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

"That's right Shawn. And all those muslims only want peace and love, right?"

Tragic thing for those young men but you really don't believe things like this, or worse, happen to Palestinian youth all the time? Wake up,

#21 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-30 10:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

that the youth were killed by hamas or an angry renegade Palestinian is a logical ASSUMPTION, but by no means a FACT. Unfortunately, the stronger nation involved in these types of conflicts--both sides of which have blood on their hands--has sometimes sacrificed its own as a pretext for aggression.

#22 | Posted by kenx at 2014-07-01 12:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

**** Israel probably KILLED them for PROPAGANDA and to LEGITIMIZE it's Ongoing Aggression against Palestinians!

(How Israel Treats Anti-Zionist Jews)

www.youtube.com

#23 | Posted by AntiCadillac at 2014-07-01 12:26 AM | Reply | Flag:

Why are you liberals dancing around the real issue? Jewish teens walking around a MUSLIM area at night.
Can someone say it please?
#12 | Posted by boaz at 2014-06-30 07:25 PM

Boaz-bomb, please! These "wonderful teenagers" were hitchhiking outside from their ultra-orthodox colony located inside of West Bank at 11pm?! This entire story stinks of propaganda.

On Tuesday morning, the Israeli air force launched airstrikes against 34 targets in the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip in response to rocket attacks against Israel's southern communities. The airstrikes, which reportedly targeted Hamas and Islamic Jihad assets in the strip, left at least four people wounded and resulted in several power outages, but there was no immediate word on casualties, the Jerusalem Post said.

Israeli forces searched more than 1,000 sites for the missing teenagers, rounding up Hamas and Islamic Jihad suspects as part of the operation. Last week, the Israel Security Agency identified two Hamas operatives from Hebron as key suspects in the kidnappings, Ammar Muhammad Abu Eisha, 33, a locksmith, and Marwan al-Qawasmeh, 29, a barber. Both men allegedly disappeared from their homes on the night of the kidnapping have not been seen since.

If the two Palestinians were missing since the night of the abduction how exactly can IDF find them responsible? They are merely two of among over 400 Palestinians arrested for this abduction/murder. 400 people are "covering it up", or Israeli are merely using these childrens murders as excuse to further annex, intimidate and eradicate Palestinian lives?

Zionism is a disease. Deception is it's m.o. Just sayin'.

#24 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-07-01 01:40 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Tragic thing for those young men but you really don't believe things like this, or worse, happen to Palestinian youth all the time? Wake up,

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Your argument is the same as Hitlers when he invaded Poland. The imperialist always finds an excuse for aggressive wars. I'd tell you to wake up, but I think you know already.

#25 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-07-01 08:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

"These "wonderful teenagers" were hitchhiking outside from their ultra-orthodox colony located inside of West Bank at 11pm?! " - RedLightRobot

I know right.... think of all the women that deserved to be raped too that walk late at nite.... or is rape propaganda too?

Kids deserved it ....... but hey lets deflect to undocumented Palestinian kids get it too.

"Record...3 goals for the national team despite its absence from the Palestinian World Cup," Arab-Israeli student posts on Facebook.... is that you Red nice work....

Hey lets also cheer the rockets Gaza has been firing for a couple weeks now.... Yeah!!!!!

Related? I think so......

#26 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-01 09:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

When these kids first disappeared there were many articles in the Israeli press about the Israeli police and government that sounded quite strange as though they were oddly not concerned.

#27 | Posted by Robson at 2014-07-01 11:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

Followup from #27. I found one YNET Link from 6-14-14 titled "Police Waited Hours before Launching Search for Missing Teens."

www.ynetnews.com

#28 | Posted by Robson at 2014-07-01 12:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's dangerous to be a civilian in an occupied territory? I had no idea! Mackris can you mansplain it to me some more I really don't get it.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-07-01 02:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Notice no one in the media is reporting the arrest of 400 people along with 34 bombing runs in an occupied territory as a War Crime.

#30 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2014-07-01 07:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

#26 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-07-01 09:19 AM

What fanaticism. It is entirely likely that IDF are attempting to use their murders as a pretext for further unnecessary torment of the INNOCENT Palestinians. Zionism is hatred of Palestinians, as too often is it's Christian support.

What prompts the Israeli to put an ultra-orthodox Jewish "school" INSIDE OF THE WAR ZONE THEY INVENTED?

#31 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-07-01 08:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Here is the truth folks. If the USA stopped funding the state of Israel, apartheid would end almost immediately. Israel would have to make peace to feed its people.

The USA funds Israel to have a friendly military base in the region. It created that state for that reason after ww2.

Israel has defied UN resolution after resolution with the aid of the American empire. Without that aid, it would have to choose to either end its ultra-nationalism or have world wide sanctions against it.

Then there would be peace.

The American empire keeps these peoples at war purposefully in order to exploit middle eastern oil.

That is its ONLY interest there.

Not freedom.

Not children.

Not womens rights.

Not democracy.

Nor any other bs.

#32 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-07-01 10:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

So Shawn, how much do you think the US spends on foreigh aid to Israel?

#33 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-07-01 11:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

The US doesn't really give Israel a lot of money, just a lot of weapons.

#34 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-07-01 11:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

Who told you, prolicks? The media, or your anti-Semite sites?

#35 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-07-01 11:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

- If the USA stopped funding the state of Israel, apartheid would end almost immediately. Israel would have to make peace to feed its people.

Israel gets about $3 billion a year in American aid. Israel's GDP is about 250 billion a year.

The truth about Israel and Palestine is bad enough without exaggerating it.

#36 | Posted by Corky at 2014-07-02 12:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

Billions. Not to mention selling them military technologies that it doesn't sell to others. Not to mention protecting Israel from UN repercussions for their actions. Etc.

#37 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-07-02 01:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

Is there anything that organized zionry hasn't done in the past, or will do in the future, even to its own people so as to advance the creation, power, influence, wealth, and land mass of Israel?

The use of deception, propaganda, media bias, control of foreign officials to maintain US / world public support and sympathy has worked, but only temporarily. It is now waning and blow back is coming. Making all Muslims the eternal villains has been a multi-century goal of Hollywood and their PR machine.

#38 | Posted by Robson at 2014-07-02 11:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

#38 Follow up. Perhaps Israel is not alone and all closely held, single ethnic demographic nations with excessive wealth, that disallow or frown upon intermarriage with others, all operate similarly, and have a philosophy of anything goes in the quest for ever increasing power.

#39 | Posted by Robson at 2014-07-02 12:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

The lack of investigation prior to response bothers me. It is as if Israel cares less for these kids and more for how punish Hamas.

#40 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-02 12:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

The lack of investigation prior to response bothers me. It is as if Israel cares less for these kids and more for how punish Hamas.

#40 | POSTED BY KANREI AT 2014-07-02 12:45 PM | FLAG:

Never let a crisis go to waste.

They are using it to drive a wedge between Hamas and Fatah.

#41 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-07-02 01:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Spotter - the UN mandates tell me. Not any US based news outlets that are run by whom?

See, that's why you were a spotter.

INCOMING!!!

#42 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2014-07-02 01:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Don't worry, I am sure the Arabs will get their stuff together eventually and kill all them pesky Jews. At least that is the plan.

#43 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-07-02 04:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Don't worry, I am sure the Arabs will get their stuff together eventually and kill all them pesky Jews. At least that is the plan.
#43 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-07-02 04:28 PM

Only according to Zionist propaganda. You do know who was subverting the Iranians? Who installed a dictatorship and invented a secret police force? The same "patriots" that keep the heroin and cocaine trade operating globally, btw.

#44 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-07-02 05:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

Red, do you ever lessen to what the Muslims are saying? They are not kidding. They have tried four times already. That is called context and history, which is not wishful thinking.

#45 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-07-02 11:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

Red, do you ever lessen to what the Muslims are saying? They are not kidding. They have tried four times already. That is called context and history, which is not wishful thinking.
#45 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-07-02 11:58 PM

Honestly, the "wipe Israel into the sea" lie is stale beyond comprehension. You cannot simply replace "Zionist regime" with "Jews" or "Israel", but Zionists willfully do so each and every opportunity. Zionism is no different from NAZI propaganda.

34 Palestinian homes have recently been obliterated by Israeli "Defense" Force - some with CHILDREN INSIDE. These were belonging to relatives of the suspected HAMAS. This isn't just disproportionate "revenge", but a campaign of genocide and colonization.

#46 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-07-03 10:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

You cannot simply replace "Zionist regime" with "Jews" or "Israel", but Zionists willfully do so each and every opportunity. Zionism is no different from NAZI propaganda.

I hate to say it, but he is right about that one. The terms "Jew" and "Zionist" have become so confused that everyone automatically assumes that every Jew is a Zionist. I am not a Zionist. I have no loyalty to Israel, although I do support their right to exist.

A Zionist is a Nationalist- my country right or wrong.

These were belonging to relatives of the suspected HAMAS. This isn't just disproportionate "revenge", but a campaign of genocide and colonization

I agree there too. As I said up thread- there was not enough time between the discovery of the bodies and the response to who they assumed was responsible.

#47 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-07-03 10:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

hamas kidnaps and kills israeli kids
idf kidnaps and kills palestinian kids

they are both terrorists as far as i'm concerned.

#48 | Posted by klifferd at 2014-07-03 10:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Honestly, the "wipe Israel into the sea" lie is stale beyond comprehension. You cannot simply replace "Zionist regime" with "Jews" or "Israel""

That sounds reasonable at first but once you put it into context it falls to pieces. Jews aren't allowed to live in most of the countries where this language is used regularly. People who have already done so in their own countries would quite obviously drive out all the jews from Israel if they were to gain control of the area. It isn't reasonable to assume otherwise because the pattern of behavior is well established.

I say that as someone who would see all US support to Israel cut off if it were up to me.

#49 | Posted by Sully at 2014-07-03 10:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

hamas kidnaps and kills israeli kids
idf kidnaps and kills palestinian kids
they are both terrorists as far as i'm concerned.
#48 | Posted by klifferd at 2014-07-03 10:53 AM

One problem is that there isn't much evidence of who kidnapped and murdered those first three children. It's quite probable in my view that "settlers" did that imagining them to be Palestinians.

It's been concluded by much of the evidence that settlers are responsible for the murder of the Palestinian child. These are ultra-orthodox Zionists who regularly encroach and terrorize Palestinians. They are also subsidized by the Netanyahu Likud government who's colonization agenda is directly aided by a gigantic list of rogue US corporations.

#50 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-07-03 11:17 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Israeli colonists are armed with fully-automatic weapons. Palestinians are not allowed to pick of rocks to defend themselves. Israeli colonies continue to expand into what is barely left of Palestine. Palestinians live in open-air prisons surrounded by barbed wire and IDF "guards". Israeli have their own paved roads to travel, while Palestinians are stopped at checkpoints every few miles. Do the math.

#51 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-07-03 11:21 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

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