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Saturday, June 28, 2014

David Corn: On the Sunday morning television shows this past weekend -- against the backdrop of an Iraq in flames -- former Vice President Dick Cheney and Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) continued their ongoing feud and the battle for the (national security) soul of the Republican Party.

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In recent months, as Mother Jones has reported that Paul in 2009 accused Cheney of using 9/11 as an excuse to launch the Iraq invasion to benefit Halliburton (the corporation Cheney once led) and called on the GOP to disassociate itself with the former vice president, Cheney's allies have slammed the senator for expressing reckless positions. During a private speech in March, without mentioning Paul by name, Cheney contended that Paul's skepticism about US intervention abroad would endanger the United States. On ABC News' This Week on Sunday, Cheney explicitly assailed Paul as "basically an isolationist" -- a term of profound derision in the neocon wing of the GOP. Meanwhile, on Meet the Press, Paul was asked if Cheney could be considered a credible critic of President Barack Obama's foreign policy, and Paul, without saying Cheney's name, replied, "The same questions could be asked of those who supported the Iraq war. You know, were they right in their predictions? Were there weapons of mass destruction there? That's what the war was sold on. Was democracy easily achievable? ... They didn't really, I think, understand the civil war that would break out."

 

Rand Paul looking more Presidential to the remaining sane people.

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"Rand Paul looking more Presidential to the remaining sane people".

Yeah. He's looking for cross-over Democratic voters. Too funny, given the recent howl over Mississippi.

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-27 10:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

War profiteers eager to go to war?

Why, yes.

FTA: Paul in 2009 accused Cheney of using 9/11 as an excuse to launch the Iraq invasion to benefit Halliburton (the corporation Cheney once led) and called on the GOP to disassociate itself with the former vice president.

So did I.

The GOP ignored us both.

Go figure.

#2 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2014-06-27 11:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

War
HUH
Good G-d y'all
What is it good for?
Fixing the economy
You got a point there, but
War
HUH
Good G-d y'all
What is it good for?
Motivating the base
Damnit!
But war
Huh
Good G-d y'all
What is it good for
Grand standing and speechafying
I give up....

#3 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-06-27 11:09 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

Anyone besides me think that in a side-by-side comparison between Hillary and Rand Paul that Hillary would be the bigger hawk?

#4 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-06-27 11:26 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

Ayn Rand Paul is looking for disillusioned lefties while losing the GOP base. It's a fine strategery if you think the base won't balk at that.

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-27 11:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Cheney's allies have slammed the senator for expressing reckless positions."

Pretty funny. For a "Cheney ally" to slam anyone else for supporting reckless positions is the height of hypocrisy.

Cheney is either a complete simpleton where foreign policy is concerned (flowers and chocolates? really?) or a very intelligent traitor. In either case, supporting this man who has been such a disaster for our country is clearly an anti-American position.

#6 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-27 12:15 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

I believe the four heart operations he has had has had an effect on his mental capabilities. If one looks at the views of the 90's Cheney and compares them to the 00's Cheney, you see two very different people.

#7 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-06-27 12:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Cheney will go to his grave defending the Iraq invasion and blaming its eventual failure on Obama because to do otherwise he would have to accept the responsibility for all of the unnecessary deaths he caused and he can't ever do that. He may know the truth somewhere in his brain but he can't even acknowledge it to himself.

#8 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-27 12:35 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

He may know the truth somewhere in his brain but he can't even acknowledge it to himself.

I don't think he does. I think if you read him the Cheney quote from 1994, he would condemn the speaker as a Commie-pinko-traitor who was soft on terrorism and hated America.

#9 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-06-27 12:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

I have heard his comments from back then and it really is difficult to figure how he changed so drastically.

#10 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-27 12:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

Maybe the surgeon forgot to restart his heart after the surgery. You know, brain damage.

#11 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-06-27 01:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Yeah. He's looking for cross-over Democratic voters. Too funny"

In the Republican primaries he's appealing to non-interventionist lefties? Too funny.

#12 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-06-27 01:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Paul is going to split the GOP.

TPer's Vs. Establishment
Neocons Vs. Libertarians
Centrist Vs. Conservative

Might as well rename themselves the "Humpty Dumpty Party"

#13 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2014-06-27 02:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

Rand Paul in Iowa: Let's face it, America's drug laws are racist

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So Rand Paul is to the left of Carlyle Clinton on a non-interventionist foreign policy, the surveillance state, and the war on some drugs. A Paul-Clinton contest could be quite entertaining. Clintonites are terrified.

#14 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-06-27 02:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

Puritopians are easily deluded, which plays into Ayn Rand Paul's hands.

"10 reasons Americans should be wary of Rand Paul's libertarianism -- especially millennials

He's right that America's youth is disaffected, but it's precisely his economic policies that are responsible

But Rand Paul and libertarianism are not the answer. His economic strategy can be summed up in a quota used for one of his bills: "remove the shackles of big government by reducing taxes, regulations, and burdensome union work requirements."

In other words, more of the same conservative philosophy that got us in this mess in the first place.

Here are 10 reasons why millennials should be extremely wary of the senator from Kentucky."

www.salon.com

#15 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-27 02:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

I am a big fan of what Rand Paul is saying today, but my memory still works so he won't be getting my vote. I am just happy and hoping he forces the GOP into having some tough but needed discussions on the gap between what the GOP wants and what the American people need.

The GOP needs to shed the Dubya era of beliefs and this is exactly the type of rhetoric the Right needs. Let's just hope his rhetoric attracts more sane and even minded conservatives to run instead of the lunatic fringe.

#16 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-06-27 02:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Puritopians are easily deluded"

Clintonites are easily deluded. They think Carlyle Clinton is a "progressive".

#17 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-06-27 02:44 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

-Carlyle Clinton

Unkle Karl appreciates your support.

#18 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-27 02:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Unkle Karl appreciates your support."

Remember folks, if you don't vote for Carlyle Clinton, you're voting for KKKarl.

#19 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-06-27 03:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Puritopian
c. 2012 A useless, infantile twitter term made up by twitter trolls meaning people who have too much "pureness" in their liberalism. Specifically to used against anyone who is a democrat and questions the current Administration in the Whitehouse

"I call people Puritopians because it makes me feel superior to others. Meanwhile I might be actually helping the right wing win by stirring up infighting - but who cares - blaming others is so much easier than actually doing something."

by freefromdogma January 11, 2012

www.urbandictionary.com

#20 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-06-27 03:03 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Emo Progressive (or "emoprog") is a self-described liberal or progressive, often with libertarian leanings, whose political orientation is to be angry, dissatisfied and unhappy with the state of the nation at any given time, because in their view, liberal policies are not being implemented quickly or forcefully enough. They have particular contempt for Democratic presidents.

Emoprogs are ideological purists who disdain compromise and incremental change, which they see as "selling out" liberal ideas like full employment, an end to all wars, state secrets, and liberal social policy.

more

www.urbandictionary.com

#21 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-27 03:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Figures Corky would post (and leave off) something that has this in it:

mo Progressive
Note: This term was seen as divisive and has been superseded by Puritopian.

#22 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-06-27 03:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Remember folks, if you don't have anyone for people to vote for, be sure and ridicule the Dem candidates and enable the GOP.

#23 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-27 03:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

I see the DR has a new Nanny.

Shiny.

Of course, the "Puritopian" that superseded EP was changed, and you posted it.

You might want to go back to whining about the importance of a unanimous decision on a thread titled," The Supreme Court's Skin-Deep Unanimity".

#24 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-27 03:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Puritopian
c. 2012 "A useless, infantile twitter term made up by twitter trolls meaning people who have too much "pureness" in their liberalism. Specifically to used against anyone who is a democrat and questions the current Administration in the Whitehouse"

Sounds pretty accurate.

#25 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-06-27 03:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

"... angry, dissatisfied and unhappy with the state of the nation at any given time, because in their view, liberal policies are not being implemented quickly or forcefully enough. They have particular contempt for Democratic presidents."

Sounds pretty accurate.

Oh look...

weknowmemes.com

#26 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-27 03:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

emo prog psychics

4.bp.blogspot.com

#27 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-27 03:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I call people Puritopians because it makes me feel superior to others."

Well said, Kanrei.

#28 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-06-27 03:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Supporting Republicans is dangerous for emo progs....

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#29 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-27 03:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

"a0.img.mobypicture.com"

Partisan propaganda pictures are so enlightening.

#30 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-06-27 03:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

#31

You're right, I shouldn't feed the trolls.

#33 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-28 02:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

Remember folks, if you don't have anyone for people to vote for, be sure and ridicule the Dem candidates and enable the GOP.

Remember folks, don't dare criticize Corky's chosen candidate. You're "enabling the GOP".

You're right, I shouldn't feed the trolls.

Who's going to feed you then?

#34 | Posted by jpw at 2014-06-28 11:50 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

"ridicule the Dem candidates" is what I said.

Which makes "criticize Corky's chosen candidate" your Strawman.

Have fun with it.

#35 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-29 12:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

In corkytopia, only democrats offer policies worth considering, and everyone else just shows up occasionally to humiliate themselves.

In the real world, rand paul is making quite a lot more sense on foreign policy than anyone else fielded by either party. That's why the Obama faithful, collectively, behave like a swatted hornets' nest every time rand paul becomes the object of discussion. Look no further than this very thread for proof.

#36 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2014-06-29 01:05 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

rand paul presents a serious threat to hillary's "slam dunk" nomination and election.

i'm admiring his chessboard political maneuvers more and more every day, even though i think he'll still eventually sell out, but he was ragging on cheney way before it recently came into fashion.

#37 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-29 01:14 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Also, the meme that questioning the democratic candidate is tantamount to supporting Karl Rove is incredibly disingenuous.

If the democrats had a good enough offer on the table they wouldn't need to resort to the scary fairy tale stuff that keeps true believers awake at nights.

But what do I know -- just a marginalized puritopian!

#38 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2014-06-29 01:26 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Also, the meme that questioning the democratic candidate is tantamount to supporting Karl Rove is incredibly disingenuous.

If the democrats had a good enough offer on the table they wouldn't need to resort to the scary fairy tale stuff that keeps true believers awake at nights.

But what do I know -- just a marginalized puritopian!

#39 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2014-06-29 01:26 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Also, the meme that questioning the democratic candidate is tantamount to supporting Karl Rove is incredibly disingenuous.

If the democrats had a good enough offer on the table they wouldn't need to resort to the scary fairy tale stuff that keeps true believers awake at nights.

But what do I know -- just a marginalized puritopian!

#40 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2014-06-29 01:26 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

That comment was so good I posted it in triplicate.

Sorry, internets are acting up.

#41 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2014-06-29 01:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

""Rand Paul looking more Presidential to the remaining sane people".
Yeah. He's looking for cross-over Democratic voters. Too funny, given the recent howl over Mississippi."

SO political, connect the sincere Paul to the obviously corrupt infiltration of the TP (the VERY purpose of said infiltration). Not saying Paul is a saint, or even right (correct), just sincere.

#42 | Posted by kenx at 2014-06-29 03:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

1) " "10 reasons Americans should be wary of Rand Paul's libertarianism -- especially millennials"
2) "...it's precisely his economic policies that are responsible."

1) Were we supposed to count 10 sentences to correspond to the headline. NO

2) uh...ef you

#43 | Posted by kenx at 2014-06-29 03:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

-In corkytopia,

In the real world, either a regressive R or a progressive D will be President.

We get to choose.

#44 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-29 12:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

- just a marginalized puritopian!

Puritopians, being ideological purists, are self-marginalizing.

#45 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-29 12:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Anyone who just vomits forth "Puritopian" over and over , thinking they are saying something meaningful each time, is quite the fool.

#46 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-29 01:14 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 3

"Anyone who just vomits forth "Puritopian" over and over , thinking they are saying something meaningful each time, is quite the fool."

Very astute observation.

#47 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-06-29 01:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

""Anyone who just vomits forth "Puritopian" over and over , thinking they are saying something meaningful each time, is quite the fool."

So, you're claiming that is all Corky posts? Completely ridiculous and sort of indicates an inability to refute the accusation of what "Puritopian" means here.

#48 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-29 01:36 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"In the real world, rand paul is making quite a lot more sense on foreign policy than anyone else fielded by either party."

There were voices in the Senate long before Rand Paul got there expressing the view that the U.S. should stay out of wars in the ME or elsewhere. Try Sherrod Brown for one.

#49 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-29 01:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

Anyone who wants to vomit forth "Carlyle Clinton" over and over, thinking they are saying something meaningful each time, is quite the fool.

Very astute observation.

"In the real world, either a regressive R or a progressive D will be President."

What emo progs (and their hangers-on) don't want to talk about.

#50 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-29 01:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

So, you're claiming that is all Corky posts? Completely ridiculous and sort of indicates an inability to refute the accusation of what "Puritopian" means here.

#48 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-29 01:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

I didn't say it was all Corky posts. I referred to a behavior. Where the behavior is being exhibited, the criticism applies.

And in reality, you mind as well call people goblins or demons or any other imaginary bad guy. Because there is no such thing as a "Puritopian".

Its a strawman that people who are unthinkingly loyal to the current administration have invented as a label for anyone who is critical of the President.

Instead of of weighing the criticism on its own merit, they dismiss it as "They are just realistic and expect perfection".

There was never any truth behind it.

Quite frankly, that you think such a ridiculous "accusation" needs to be "refuted" at all is indicative of a disconnect from reality on your part.

Nonsense refutes itself.

#51 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-29 01:46 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

'Instead of of weighing the criticism on its own merit, they dismiss it as "They are just realistic and expect perfection".'

Should have used the word "unrealistic" there, for anyone who wants to pretend not understand its a typo.

I am dealing with very dishonest people here....

#52 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-29 01:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

-Because there is no such thing as a "Puritopian".

About 22,300 results (0.31 seconds) - Google

emo progressive

About 7,570,000 results (0.40 seconds)

www.urbandictionary.com

#51

Self-refuting post.

#53 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-29 01:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

- very dishonest people

Would that be like people who whine about "Puritopian", but not about "Carlyle Clinton"?

#54 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-29 01:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

#53 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-29 01:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

Are we pretending you just proved something?

There are 202,000,000 Google results if you search for "dragon", Copernicus.

Its a silly strawman made up by people who want to defend the president against criticism but are not able to do so by addressing the criticisms individually.

Its a tool for lazy hacks, of which there are many. That is why you can Google it.

#55 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-29 01:55 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Would that be like people who whine about "Puritopian", but not about "Carlyle Clinton"?

#54 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-29 01:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Puritopians" is a strawman used by idiots to avoid real discussion of issues.

"Carlyle Clinton" is an accusation against a specific person who can defend herself.

#56 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-29 01:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Quite frankly, that you think such a ridiculous "accusation" needs to be "refuted" at all is indicative of a disconnect from reality on your part."

It isn't a ridiculous accusation, it is partially what has enabled the extreme right to gain so much power. Draining off support from moderate democrats in the pursuit of pure ideology helps the side most opposed to that ideology. Simple mathematics.

#57 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-29 01:57 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#57 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-29 01:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

See now this post is the kind of thing I was talking about in #46.

Invoking "puritopian" is not the same thing as having a point and you'd have to be quite foolish to believe otherwise.

#58 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-29 02:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Because there is no such thing as a "Puritopian".

About 22,300 results (0.31 seconds) - Google"

"hillary clinton carlyle group"

About 72,800 results (0.16 seconds)

#59 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-06-29 02:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

"In the real world, either a regressive R or a progressive D will be President."

In the real world, either a regressive R or a moderately-regressive D will be President. That's what the 2-party dictatorship offers.

#60 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-06-29 02:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

" Try Sherrod Brown for one."

Well, he should challenge Hillary The Neocon if he's against ME interventions. Otherwise he should endorse Rand Paul.

#61 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-06-29 02:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

"In the real world, either a regressive R or a moderately-regressive D will be President."

If that does end up as our choice then I would choose the moderately-regressive Democrat but it doesn't have to be that way. That is why we have primaries. If you have a candidate more to your liking then name him/her, help get them nominated. I might even agree with you but I haven't heard you name anyone or I have missed it if you have.

#62 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-29 02:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

Perhaps we need a "draft Elizabeth Warren" movement. A national write in campaign in all primaries?

#63 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-29 02:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

"If that does end up as our choice then I would choose the moderately-regressive Democrat"

Well I respect that voting choice, the lesser of two evils. What I don't respect is people who claim, actually, scream, that the moderately-regressive Democrat--Carlyle Clinton--is a "progressive". If you want to hold your nose and vote for Hillary, fine, but don't tell me she smells like roses when she stinks like corporatist crap.

#64 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-06-29 02:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

-Invoking "puritopian" is not the same thing as having a point

How asinine.

That word, or emo progressive, conveys a litany of points which have already been delineated without the necessity of a complete repetition of the definition, as is true with many descriptive words.

#65 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-29 03:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

"That word, or emo progressive, conveys a litany of points which have already been delineated without the necessity of a complete repetition of the definition, as is true with many descriptive words."

Retort word salad of the year, so far. In other words, this guy is full of crap and made-up definitions suggested by the DNC.

#66 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-06-29 03:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

-Hillary The Neocon

We have Jeb Bush, a real Neocon; an original PNAC signatory, and then we have Clinton whom purist ideologues will call a Neocon because they would prefer to eat broken-glass muffins rather than settle for half a loaf of everything they want.

www.quickmeme.com

When it comes down to whomever the Dem nominee is vs whomever the R nominee is, the choice will be a simple one if the only concern is what is best for the country.

Expecting any candidate to be "ideologically pure", other than Ted Cruz, maybe, is ludicrous.

#67 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-29 03:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

-made-up definitions suggested by the DNC.

Speaking of full of crap.

Here are the origins.

shoqvalue.com

#68 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-29 03:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

"We have Jeb Bush, a real Neocon; an original PNAC signatory,"

We have Robert Kagan, founder of PNAC, describing Hillary Clinton as a neocon. Hahahaha.

#69 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-06-29 03:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

#69

Now he wants to quote Neocons, lmao!

As if Kagan were not fully aware of how his remarks would be received.

But then, speaking of "not fully aware".... anyone who can't see thru Ayn Paul Rand's political positioning pander isn't real bright to begin with.

#70 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-29 03:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

#53 www.urbandictionary.com

1 definition by freefromdogma

"Freefromdogma," who da hell is dat? The next Oxford's?

#71 | Posted by et_al at 2014-06-29 04:06 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#72

Didn't flag your previous post, whatever it was.

You know what happens when you "assume", right?

#73 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-29 04:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

I had thought this thread was dead when i saw you sniping again i went to my comment to see what i missed only to see my comment gone.

If you want to see it feel free to look at my moderation page I don't see how it could offend anyone but what do i know.

#74 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2014-06-29 04:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Can't look at other people's mods, you only see your own.

#75 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-29 04:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

#72

Pretty good assumption.

#76 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-06-29 04:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh then I guess it is dead I won't re-post a removed comment no matter how innocuous I feel it is. It was either comment #31 or #32 but don't remember which one it was in particular.

Oh well it was a fun comment for me sad others don't get to enjoy it.

#77 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2014-06-29 04:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

This is where Libertarians shine. Trouble is, every time a President wages war, his popularity rises, at least temporarily.

#78 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-06-29 08:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

"That word, or emo progressive, conveys a litany of points which have already been delineated without the necessity of a complete repetition of the definition, as is true with many descriptive words."

Unless you can demonstrate how the word applies to everyone in whom's direction you continuously spew it, its still a strawman.

I know you're deluded by blind partisanship but you're still well past the age where you should know that name calling is not the same thing as having a point.

#79 | Posted by sully at 2014-06-29 08:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

#79

If you can't see Nulli's pic next to the definition, then you are blind.

www.urbandictionary.com

#80 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-30 11:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

If Rand Paul didn't have so much racism and extremism in his not so distant past, he would be a viable alternative to Clinton. But he does have that racism and extremism. So a lot of us just will not support him. It is frustrating though because on many issues, especially those involving the military industrial complex, his views are so much more reflective of liberal values than those of CLinton.

#81 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-06-30 12:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

Rand Paul is counting on the short memories and reactionary voting practices of most Americans. Sadly, it will serve him well.

#82 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-06-30 01:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

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