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Friday, June 27, 2014

Christian Caryl, The Week: I've been reading the headlines from northern Iraq over the past two weeks with an intensifying sense of dread. It's a feeling very much like the one I have whenever I read about the disappearance of some huge ice sheet in the Antarctic or the extinction of yet another rare species of animal. It's the feeling that one more valuable ingredient of life on Earth is about to vanish, in all likelihood, forever. The takeover of Mosul, Iraq's second-largest city, by the jihadist troops of the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS) is a catastrophe for the people of Iraq, who now face a revival of full-blown sectarian warfare, and a strategic and psychological nightmare for the United States, which sacrificed vast amounts of blood and treasure to topple Saddam Hussein and build a viable government -- the latter, it would seem, in vain. But over the past few days I've found myself mourning a more specific disaster: the flight and dispersal of the last remnants of Iraq's once-proud community of Christians.

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Boaz: My question is, did anyone really think with radical Islamics in control, the outcome would be anything different?

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Islamist at work.

And fools get angry at Israel....

Oh course, eventually you won't hear these stories anymore, because the non-Islamic community will no longer exist. And for the leftie press, that day is eager awaited so they no longer have to pretend to care.....

#1 | Posted by USAF242 at 2014-06-27 08:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

And for the leftie press, that day is eager awaited so they no longer have to pretend to care.....

#1 | Posted by USAF242 at 2014-06-27 08:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

Blame "the left" all you want. Back in reality, the Iraq mess is all on the jackasses who started the war and it wasn't "the left".

#2 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-27 09:13 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

If you had a memory, you would know that war had much high level dem support and it was a colition of many countries, not jus the USA.

#3 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-27 10:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

There used to be large jewish populations across the middle east as well. They went extinct a while ago. Christianity in those countries is just following suit.

Islam has no room for competing religions.

#4 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-06-27 10:18 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

To pretend that any of these middle east -------- nations would tolerate freedom of religion is laughable.

#5 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-27 10:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

If you had a memory, you would know that war had much high level dem support and it was a colition of many countries, not jus the USA.

#3 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-27 10:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

There would have been no Iraq War without that particular Republican administration being in power. And of course, they lied to everyone in order to gain support, which you conveniently ignore.

I knew you hypocrties would scream bloody murder when it came time to pay for your war. But I never aniticipated how laughably you clowns would try to pretend that it isn't mostly your fault.

Peddle your nonsense somewhere else. I know GOP supporters are allergic to accountability but that isn't my problem.

#6 | Posted by sully at 2014-06-27 10:29 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 4

Sully

Even with NO WAR, the destruction of ancient non-Islamic peoples all across the middle east has been a steady process over the last century. Communities over 2000 years old, heck, over 4000 years old, going or GONE.

That this effect is somehow a result of any U.S. action is a delusion. AT MOST the U.S. actions in the region adjusted the local time scale a little.

#7 | Posted by USAF242 at 2014-06-27 10:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Even with NO WAR, the destruction of ancient non-Islamic peoples all across the middle east has been a steady process over the last century. Communities over 2000 years old, heck, over 4000 years old, going or GONE."

But not in Iraq. Its only happening in Iraq because we created the conditions under which it is possible.

"That this effect is somehow a result of any U.S. action is a delusion. AT MOST the U.S. actions in the region adjusted the local time scale a little."

Iraqis are reposnsible for their own actions and if you want to criticize those who are taking part in this for being violent religious bigots, I will agree.

The fact remains that before the US became involved in Iraq, the Islamist bigots were under control in Iraq. If not for your attempt to indicate "the left" is somehow complicite in this, I wouldn't have mentioned this at all. But since you brought it up, I felt the need to correct your silly deflection by pointing out that it isn't "the left" who set these actions in motion.

That the people who cheered on the complete idiots who got us involved in Iraq now want to cast blame on everyone else for what a mess it is now annoys me to no end. I have zero tolerance for such revisionist --------.

#8 | Posted by sully at 2014-06-27 10:44 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

But yes, USAF, in general where Muslims are the majority they are very intolerant towards non-believers and the people who deny as much are clearly wrong.

#9 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-27 10:45 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

More proof that the invasion of Iraq is the greatest foreign policy blunder in the history of the United States.

#10 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-06-27 10:48 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Let me get this straight. Someone is upset because in a land thousands of miles away, one group of people that believe in a giant man in the sky hav e been driven out of a country by another group of people that believe in a different giant man in the sky? Cry me a ------' river.

#11 | Posted by hjablowme919 at 2014-06-27 12:03 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

We should politically stay out of that part of the world. Buy their oil. Make them rich. It's just foolish to try to impart any sort of political agenda. It's didn't work for the British.

#12 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2014-06-27 12:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Things that make you go Hmmmmmmmmmm

I know GOP supporters are allergic to accountability but that isn't my problem.
#6 | POSTED BY SULLY

Back in reality, the Iraq mess is all on the jackasses who started the war and it wasn't "the left".
#2 | POSTED BY SULLY

#13 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-27 12:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

#13 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-27 12:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

LOL. Your nose has been rubbed in the delusional revisionist crap you post so many times that you don't even bother anymore. You've been reduced to HINTING that you might have something to say.

Good boy.

#14 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-27 12:27 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Your nose has been rubbed in the delusional revisionist crap
#14 | POSTED BY SULLY

and your example of this is?

#15 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-27 12:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

and your example of this is?

#15 | Posted by paneocon

www.drudge.com

#16 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-06-27 12:53 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 3

SNIPER you were likely trying to learn how to read and write when W. decided to invade Iraq.

Fact is......you know what forget it I've grow weary of showing you up.

#17 | Posted by Tor at 2014-06-27 12:59 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

#16 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT

You and SULLY should shuffle on down to your OWS meeting because you're not getting anything done here.

#18 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-27 01:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

#18 | Posted by paneocon

That's certainly one of the areas where I differ from you. I'm not under the delusion that ANYONE is getting anything done here.

#19 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-06-27 01:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

.... "the United States, which sacrificed vast amounts of blood and treasure to topple Saddam Hussein and build a viable government"

**** Saddam Hussein's Govt was a Viable,Stable and Safe One for the People of Iraq.The US Govt in its GREEDY Quest To STEAL Iraq's OIL Deliberately turned Iraq into an ongoing BLOODY CATASTROPHE for it's Own Benefits!

#20 | Posted by AntiCadillac at 2014-06-27 02:37 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Islam has no room for competing religions.
#4 | Posted by madbomber

To pretend that any of these middle east -------- nations would tolerate freedom of religion is laughable.
#5 | Posted by 726

Historically, they found plenty of room when the Ottoman Empire was running the show. And they still coexist in Egypt.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-06-27 04:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

"they still coexist in Egypt."

Not for a couple of years now. :(

#22 | Posted by Tor at 2014-06-27 05:19 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

The fact remains that before the US became involved in Iraq, the Islamist bigots were under control in Iraq.

Never met a murdering dictator you didn't love, eh Sully?

#23 | Posted by boaz at 2014-06-27 07:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Snoofy

It has been the better part of century since Islam has 'coexisted'. The accurate description would be 'extreme jim crow, punctuated but periodic massacres and serial rape and out right enslavement'.

I, and many others, foolishly thought that killing off a murderous Assad type dictator, and spending a decade trying to build a slightly more tolerant society might work. It does not work. At least not with Muslims.

We are better off leaving the Saddams, Assads and Khadafys in power.
Religious minorities are better off leaving the Saddams, Assads and Khadafys in power.
And even muslims are better off leaving the Saddams, Assads and Khadafys in power.
For every complaint you can list against Assad, I can say 'ISIS is worse'.

The coexistence in Egypt was due to Mubarak. Mubarak was about as good as could be hoped for in that area. Hopefully another one just like him takes over soon.

#24 | Posted by USAF242 at 2014-06-27 08:00 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Have no doubt, the persecution of Christians and Jews by Muslims has not had a pause sense the sixth century. If a civil court trows a case because it has no merit,no doubt, a cleric stand up in some square demanding retribution for some slight ageist Islam. The listeners are morally obligated to take action,which they do with considerable enthusiasm. There is absolutely no justice under Shareah.

#25 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-06-27 08:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

the persecution of Christians and Jews by Muslims has not had a pause sense the sixth century.

Except for 1096 in the Peoples Crusade when the Christians murdered thousands of Jews that refused conversion in the Rhineland.

#26 | Posted by Scotty at 2014-06-27 11:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

Even with NO WAR, the destruction of ancient non-Islamic peoples all across the middle east has been a steady process over the last century.

Iraq had the largest Christian population of any country inthe ME until George Walker Bush "liberated" them.

You could look it up.

####

Have no doubt, the persecution of Christians and Jews by Muslims has not had a pause sense the sixth century.

I had no idea Hitler was a Muslim. Or that the KKK used sharia law. I do know the jews and arabs lived side by side with no problems until jewish terrorists created the State of Israel.

#27 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-06-28 12:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

Never met a murdering dictator you didn't love, eh Sully?

#23 | Posted by boaz

Positively Reaganesque,ain't he Boaz?

#28 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-06-28 12:15 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Never met a murdering dictator you didn't love, eh Sully?
#23 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2014-06-27 07:08 PM | FLAG:

That's rich coming from the guy that voted for BushJr and volunteered to join the war machine to go kill innocent humans for absolutely no reason.

You followed a murdering jacka**.

I'm pretty sure you have no leg to stand on.

#29 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-06-28 12:34 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

The British are responsible for the present day state of the Middle East.

They divided up the region arbitrarily and handed power to despotic Islamist dictators.

As for murder rates 4000 years ago or when ever, Christians were murdering all around the globe and colonizing "savages".

Christians are responsible for their own demise.

And religion is a waste of time.

It's a business, it's a tool used to control people and gain power over the populous.

Go get an education and learn to think rather than relying on belief and faith.

#30 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-06-28 12:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

"I, and many others, foolishly thought that killing off a murderous Assad type dictator, and spending a decade trying to build a slightly more tolerant society might work."

Maybe many in our military were that naive. The powers that be that involved us in that mess had no such delusions. They knew exactly that this result would occur. GOD! that both sides of the false paradigm believe at this time their "leaders" are BENIGN.

Many educated people knew that when the dictator, Tito died (he was never ousted), all hell would break loose. And they knew that Saddam Hussein was keeping these warring factions under control by the restraint of fear. They feared him. And you know what, they neither fear nor are grateful to us. And they should be grateful for Abu Ghraib?

You know, George H.W. Bush and W. Jr ( and John Kerry ) are Skull and Bones. They are initiated into that society by what looks as much like SATANISM as anything you can imagine.

#31 | Posted by kenx at 2014-06-28 02:42 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Historically, they found plenty of room when the Ottoman Empire was running the show. And they still coexist in Egypt."

once upon a time, Islam was the tolerant strain of Abrahamic religion. It was the Christians that were going to wipe all others off the face of the planet.

Egypt does have Christians, for now. So does Syria. And Jordan. And as long as they remain secular dictatorships, that will likely be the case.

Iraq had lots of Christians too. Tariq Aziz, Saddam's deputy Prime Minister, was a Chaldean Christian.

#32 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-06-28 10:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

"I do know the jews and arabs lived side by side with no problems until jewish terrorists created the State of Israel."

The British created the state of Israel. Just like the created Syria, Egypt, Jordan, etc.

#33 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-06-28 10:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

"I do know the jews and arabs lived side by side with no problems until jewish terrorists created the State of Israel."

lol....

Muslims were engaged in as much wide spread slavery, murder and pillaging as they could do until it became too dangerous to openly oppose the European powers. That lasted until after WWII.

As for 'side by side', if you mean extreme Jim Crow then sure. In the last century they've gone down hill from 'extreme jim crow'.

However, to give credit where it is due, 'extreme jim crow' was about as good as got for minorities viewed as 'lesser' the world over, until very recently in some western nations. Everywhere else, the extreme jim crow still is alive and well.

#34 | Posted by USAF242 at 2014-06-28 01:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

#24 | Posted by USAF242

Good Post.

#35 | Posted by boaz at 2014-06-28 03:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

The British created the state of Israel.

I think it's more about in the Bible, it was foretold that Israel would be recreated. Muslims destroyed Israel before and thought they wiped it off the map. Israel coming back is a vindication of the Christian Religion. It makes Islam look stupid. Which is why they hate Israel and want to destroy it.

#36 | Posted by boaz at 2014-06-28 03:56 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Congrats, Dumya. You built this.

#37 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2014-06-28 04:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

Israel coming back is a vindication of the Christian Religion. It makes Islam look stupid. Which is why they hate Israel and want to destroy it.
#36 | Posted by boaz

Do you also think Bush invaded Iraq because, as Bush explained, Saddam tried to kill his daddy?

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-06-28 05:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Back in 2003, there was little inkling of the disaster that was about to befall Iraq's Christians. Today, there seems to be little that can be done to reverse it."

I understand the literary function of this closing sentence of the article, but come on, this is emblematic of the type of disaster that was predicted.

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-06-28 08:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

"...there was little inkling of the disaster that was about to befall [Iraq]..."

"come on, this [the current Iraq debacle] is emblematic of the type of disaster that was predicted."

This IS the summation of the whole thread (in the legal sense).

#40 | Posted by kenx at 2014-06-29 02:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

#31 revisited ~ Christianity is being decimated in Iraq (and the Middle East). Skull & Bones IS satanic.
There is a very obvious connection here.

(not as salient a point as Snoofy's, however)

#41 | Posted by kenx at 2014-06-29 02:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

"...as Bush explained, Saddam tried to kill his daddy?"

the Pentagon denied this assassination attempt occurred. That of course could be a bald faced lie.

#42 | Posted by kenx at 2014-06-29 02:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

Do you also think Bush invaded Iraq because, as Bush explained, Saddam tried to kill his daddy?

To be honest, Snoofy,

I do think that is the reason this invasion happened. When else would have this perfect storm of circumstances and Bush Jr. be in the position to do something about it?

#43 | Posted by boaz at 2014-06-29 10:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

And while I do agree that Bush did start this, I think eventually, the muslims would get so radical, that they would target the Christians anyway.

Sure, they have been living "peacefuly" together for centuries, but that's at the expense of the Christians. Christians have always been second class citizens in muslim nations and unlike the U.S.'s type of secular, all other religions under Islam have to be submissive to it or DIE. That's the little nugget you liberals are leaving out.

#44 | Posted by boaz at 2014-06-29 10:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

There is evil in all cultures and societies. To say that western civilization is equivalent or has the same degree of persecution of ethnic and religious minorities as Islamic culture is ether ignorant or propagating an outright lie. Nothing in the Christian gospels require Christians to conquer, subjugate, rape, brutalize and destroy. Any one who has read the Koran would know the truth.

#45 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-06-29 12:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

The fact that there are "oldest" Christian communities is a part of the world that's been majority Muslim for over a millennia should tell you something must have changed, and recently.

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-06-29 12:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Again Snoofy,

1. To act like these religions were truly free.

2. To act like the U.S. is the only trigger for radicals..

is stupid.

#47 | Posted by boaz at 2014-06-29 05:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

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