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Friday, June 27, 2014

Glenn Greenwald: The excuse-making on behalf of President Obama has always found its most extreme form when it came time to explain why he failed to fulfill his oft-stated 2008 election promise to close Guantanamo. As I've documented many times, even the promise itself was misleading, as it became quickly apparent that Obama -- even in the absence of congressional obstruction -- did not intend to "close Gitmo" at all but rather to re-locate it, maintaining its defining injustice of indefinite detention. But the events of the last three days have obliterated the last remaining excuse.

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In order to secure the release of American POW Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, the Obama administration agreed to release from Guantanamo five detainees allegedly affiliated with the Taliban. But as even stalwart Obama defenders such as Jeffery Toobin admit, Obama "clearly broke the law" by releasing those detainees without providing Congress the 30-day notice required by the 2014 defense authorization statute (law professor Jonathan Turley similarly observed that Obama's lawbreaking here was clear and virtually undebatable).

Obama defenders seem to have two choices here: either the president broke the law in releasing these five detainees, or Congress cannot bind the commander-in-chief's power to transfer detainees when he wants, thus leaving Obama free to make those decisions himself. Which is it?

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"Which is it?"

I'll bite. Which?

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-26 01:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

He uses dubya excuse number 3: it's hard werk

#2 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-06-26 01:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

lol, I see the conspiratorial Left live in their own echo chamber.

Taliban Swap Reflects Obama's Drive to Close Gitmo Prison

www.bloomberg.com

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-26 01:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I'll bite. Which?"

What's your favorite excuse?

#4 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-06-26 01:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

Don't worry. Obama promises to fulfill his promise to close Gitmo in his next term.

#5 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-06-26 01:54 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

Prior to the release of the 5 "Tier 2 detainees", 77 of the 150 detainees had already been cleared for release, but were still detained because the State Department doesn't know what to do with them.

Yes, the Hillary/Lurch State Department.

#6 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-06-26 02:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

What's your favorite excuse?

#4 | Posted by nullifidian at

I wanted to see if PRAWN would take a position on the question he himself posed. Apparently that's just too radical of a step.

#7 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-26 02:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Apparently that's just too radical of a step.

#7 | Posted by Zed

He is just being careful not to say anything that might be deemed Fascist.

#8 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-26 05:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Obama defenders seem to have two choices here: either the president broke the law in releasing these five detainees, or Congress cannot bind the commander-in-chief's power to transfer detainees when he wants, thus leaving Obama free to make those decisions himself.

Yeah! Obama could close GITMO right now!

If he would only cough up the $80 million dollars needed to do that himself.

#9 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-26 05:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

If he would only cough up the $80 million dollars needed to do that himself.

#9 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-26 05:07 PM |

Now, you see? That's why Mitt should have been president. He could have closed Gitmo out of his own pocket and still have $170 M to buy oats for Refalca and Ann.

#10 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-26 05:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

True dat zed...I begin to see the error of my ways.

And I am sure Mitt would have stopped Vlad in the Crimea and ended the Iraqi crisis single handedly and stood up the economy just by the Holy Mormon Power invested in him and the pocket change fallen into his couch cushions.

Also...are you politely saying Ann is a horse?

#11 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-26 05:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

If he would only cough up the $80 million dollars needed to do that himself.

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Garbage. All he has to do is order the troops home. He is lying.

#12 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-06-26 06:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

All he has to do is order the troops home.

#12 | Posted by Shawn at 2014

This is what it look likes when you try to take a position without seeming to take a position.

#13 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-26 07:52 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

All he has to do is order the troops home.

#12 | Posted by Shawn

Hey...what a great idea! Maybe he could issue an executive order?

Oh wait. He already has.


Barack Obama
Executive Order 13492 - Review and Disposition of Individuals Detained at the Guantánamo Bay Naval Base and Closure of Detention Facilities
January 22, 2009

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, in order to effect the appropriate disposition of individuals currently detained by the Department of Defense at the Guantánamo Bay Naval Base (Guantánamo) and promptly to close detention facilities at Guantánamo, consistent with the national security and foreign policy interests of the United States and the interests of justice, I hereby order as follows:

#14 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-27 04:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Greenwald's a commie.

--The DNC

#15 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-06-27 04:35 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

#14 is a red herring. As commander and chief he can simply order the troops to vacate. If congress wants to leave the building sitting there with no one to guard it then that is their prerogative.

#16 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-06-27 05:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

#14 is a red herring. As commander and chief he can simply order the troops to vacate. If congress wants to leave the building sitting there with no one to guard it then that is their prerogative.

#16 | Posted by Shawn

Reality is a now red herring? It is not realistic to expect the President to do that. He ordered it closed. It will cost approximately 80 million to achieve that. Congress refuses to fund the expenses required to close it. Even bringing the troops home requires funding.

That is not a red herring. That is the reality of it.

You act the President is Presidente de los Obama.

Isn't that rather Fascist of you?

#17 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-27 05:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Glenn Greenwald, where would you put them?

#18 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-27 06:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

...where would you put them?

Better question, after cessation of hostilities what is the legal authority to hold them?

#19 | Posted by et_al at 2014-06-27 06:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Better question, after cessation of hostilities what is the legal authority to hold them?

#19 | Posted by et_al

Not only a better question.

It is now The Question.

There are two groups involved with different legal status. The Taliban and al-Qaida.

How will we determine when hostilities between us and them have actually ceased?

#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-27 06:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

#17. Disingenuous and still obfuscating.

Stop wasting my time.

#21 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-06-27 06:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

Disingenuous and still obfuscating.

Stop wasting my time.

#21 | Posted by Shawn

"Disingenuous and still obfuscating"....translation: "I got nothing."

If your "time" is so important. Why exactly are you even here?

#22 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-27 06:55 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

How will we determine when hostilities between us and them have actually ceased?

Another good question. Absent basis for prosecution under LOAC or criminal laws, the prospect for which is extremely small, the Taliban when we pull out. Al-Qaida is more difficult because there are so many factions which may or may not be "affiliated" under the AUMF. Even then, the viability of the AUMF is becoming more and more tenuous and it too will end eventually.

#23 | Posted by et_al at 2014-06-27 06:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Even bringing the troops home requires funding.

Instead he secures funding to renovate and upgrade the facility.

#24 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2014-06-27 07:27 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

You are still obfuscating.

#25 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-06-27 08:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

#24

House committee earmarks $69M for new secret prison

#26 | Posted by et_al at 2014-06-27 11:02 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Crap.

www.miamiherald.com

#27 | Posted by et_al at 2014-06-27 11:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Instead he secures funding to renovate and upgrade the facility.

Could you direct me to a reputable link citing Obama's request for funds to keep Guantanamo open? I seem to only find requests from him for funds to close the facility. Thank you in advance.

#28 | Posted by YAV at 2014-06-27 11:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

#27 | POSTED BY ET_AL

Good example of why politics are a joke nowadays.

#29 | Posted by Lohocla at 2014-06-27 11:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Could you direct me to a reputable link citing Obama's request for funds to keep Guantanamo open?"

Have you tried obamahatingnutjobs.tx?

#30 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-28 12:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

Obama should close Guantanamo.

But exchanging 5 prisoners for 1 POW became such a huge deal I have no clue how the public would react if they were all released.

Best solution?

Kill everyone inside the place and burn it to the ground.

#31 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-06-28 01:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

Good example of why politics are a joke nowadays.

I agree that politics these days is a joke but I'm not making the connection, help me out.

#32 | Posted by et_al at 2014-06-28 02:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

Either you have not been paying attention or you are a gop shill.

#33 | Posted by fresno500 at 2014-06-28 04:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

I agree that politics these days is a joke but I'm not making the connection, help me out.

#32 | POSTED BY ET_AL

Just seems a bit crazy to both want to close it and and try to get money build a new one to replace it.

#34 | Posted by Lohocla at 2014-06-28 08:14 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Could you direct me to a reputable link citing Obama's request for funds to keep Guantanamo open? I seem to only find requests from him for funds to close the facility.

My pleasure.

  • www.aclu.org
  • #35 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2014-06-28 09:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

    No cigar. No request for funds from Obama. Instead he signed what was sent to him where the funds appropriated by Congress were accepted as part of the entire National Defense Authorization Act . He also included a signing statement against the action and cited issues with the Congressional appropriation.

    I'm afraid your citation gets a big fat zero.

    #36 | Posted by YAV at 2014-06-28 10:33 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

    I agree that politics these days is a joke but I'm not making the connection, help me out.

    #32 | POSTED BY ET_AL

    Just seems a bit crazy to both want to close it and and try to get money build a new one to replace it.

    #34 | POSTED BY LOHOCLA AT 2014

    It is kinda crazy that you think that Obama asked for that money to build s new one. This is exactly why he cant close it. Congress is doing everything they can to block him.

    Some members of Congress have added $69 million for a new secret prison at Guantánamo -- even though the Pentagon hasn't asked for it. Construction is not certain.

    BY CAROL ROSENBERG CROSENBERG@MIAMIHERALD.COM

    #37 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-28 12:25 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

    #37 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

    Ahhh, I see the confusion. "Want to close it" would have been better stated as "complaining that it wasn't yet closed".

    Meaning republicans complaining that its not yet closed, yet a republican is requesting new facilities to replace it.

    My fault.

    #38 | Posted by Lohocla at 2014-06-28 01:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

    More proof Obama is not what the right or left think he is. A smooth talking double talker with deep ties to anti-union activists, pro 1%giveaways, anti middle class, pro perpetual war, and pro NSA spying.

    #39 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-06-28 08:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

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