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Thursday, June 26, 2014

The U.S. men's soccer team lost to Germany 1-0 but advanced to the next round of the World Cup with Portugal's 2-1 victory over Ghana, winning the goal differential tiebreaker over Portugal. Thomas Mueller scored for Germany in the second half. This is the first time the Americans have advanced out of the group round in two successive World Cup tournaments.

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I hope the U.S. beats Germany like it's 1945! Go USA!

#1 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2014-06-26 10:24 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

[...] I've always found sport profoundly boring, but fully respect the good and (usually) clean fun they are for other people.

#2 | Posted by USAF242 at 2014-06-26 10:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

I find Soccer to be a boorish sport unless Luis Suarez from Uruguay is on the field biting people.

#3 | Posted by ATaxpayer at 2014-06-26 10:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

Soccer is a metaphor for a lot of liberals, little or no goals.

#4 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2014-06-26 10:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Sir, you are drinking at a bar in the afternoon. When did you realize you had no goooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaa
aaaaaaaaaallllls?!!!!"

#5 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2014-06-26 10:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

I don't know who the blonde woman is in the link, but parts of me are rooting for Germany.

#6 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2014-06-26 11:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

Ghana has apparently cut two of their best players.

finance.yahoo.com

Probably good for the US. Unless losing those players allows Portugal to win by more than 3 goals....

#7 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-26 11:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

Oh, hell, I thought this was an NSA story.

#8 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-06-26 11:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

Oh, hell, I thought this was a story regarding the credibility of Curveball (DAMN YOU BUSH!).

#9 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-26 11:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

#7 | POSTED BY SULLY

From your link:

Ghana stars Kevin-Prince Boateng and Sully Muntari have been kicked off the World Cup team hours before the Portugal game, the Ghanaian football association has confirmed.

Are you intentionally trying to confuse us here, SUL?

#10 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-26 11:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

What's a good link?

#11 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-06-26 12:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

From your link:

Ghana stars Kevin-Prince Boateng and Sully Muntari have been kicked off the World Cup team hours before the Portugal game, the Ghanaian football association has confirmed.

Are you intentionally trying to confuse us here, SUL?

#10 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-26 11:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

Also from the Yahoo article: Muntari was suspended for an " unprovoked physical attack" on a Ghanaian soccer executive.

That name thing is just a coincidence but Sully Muntari might be my new favorite soccer player.

#13 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-26 12:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

So, do we have the German coach's phone bugged?

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-26 12:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

What's a good link?

#11 | Posted by nullifidian

www.soap.com

#15 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-26 12:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

#15 | POSTED BY WISGOD

Least it wasn't a rick roll.

#16 | Posted by Lohocla at 2014-06-26 12:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

I was just looking at a chart that shows whether the US would advanace or not based on the outcome of this game and the other game. And some of the results for a Portugese win/US loss say "Draw Lots".

Am I to undertand that who advances could possibly be decided randomly?

If that is the case then that is just sad.

#17 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-26 12:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Portugal up 1-0

#18 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-26 12:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Draw lots has never happened in World Cup history. Portugal would need a great goal differential then US. If still tied then most overall goals scored but that would imply Portugal scoring a bunch to overcome the goal differential. If still tied, then pick a name out of a hat. The mathematical odds are astronomically improbable.

#19 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2014-06-26 01:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

#19 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2014-06-26 01:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

That it could happen at all is sad.

I'm not even a fan of shootouts. Its like deciding the outcome of a match by playing an entirely different game. I'd rather they just make it free substitution in OT and play until someone scores a real goal.

#20 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-26 01:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

#17 | POSTED BY SULLY

I don't think so. I'm not positive, but I don't think so.

#21 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-26 01:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

Das gooooaaaaallll!!!

#22 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2014-06-26 01:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

At the rate goals are scored, Germany's 1-0 lead is probably game.

#23 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-06-26 01:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

saugen mein wurst.

#24 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-26 01:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's shows how tough these players are when one shin guard hits another shin guard. Man, that looks painful!

#25 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2014-06-26 01:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

One more goal by Ghana and US is eliminated.

#26 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-26 01:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ghana has tied Portugal 1-1 too. If US loses 1-0 and Ghana wins 2-1, Ghana advances.

What's funny is that on the Yahoo comments people were saying its great that Ghana scored despite the fact that the chart showing just how bad for the US this is was posted on the screeen.

#27 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-26 01:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

lecken meine eier

#28 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2014-06-26 01:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

I see Rcade handing out a lot of vacations if the US is eliminated.

#29 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-26 01:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

#25

cdn.funnie.st

#30 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-26 01:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

Goooooal Portugal!

Now a coin-toss takes place only if Germany wins 4-0.

Otherwise U.S. moves on no matter what.

#31 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-26 01:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Whoop de Doo.

#32 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-26 01:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

Decent game. Slow, but should be expected considering U.S. played the last game in the jungle (all four teams that played there lost there subsequent games) and considering it was raining. Sluggish field and wet cleats weigh down your legs even more.

Impressive loss. HAHA! No wonder Americans don't like "soccer."

#33 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-26 01:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

U.S. advances out of the "group of death"... without Landon Donovan. The shouldn't have taken a four month vacation to "find himself" while the rest of the U.S. team trained for this showing.

Good thing he was left off. He didn't deserve to be there, obviously...no matter how many goals he's got. Just like Klinsman said, it's not about what's happened in the past, it's about what we're working towards for the future.

#34 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-26 01:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

3 of the 4 powerhouse won their groups: The Gauchos, Los Sambas and Doooshland, leaving La Rioja playing futbolin in Mallorca.

#35 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2014-06-26 02:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

'U.S. advances out of the "group of death"... without Landon Donovan. The shouldn't have taken a four month vacation to "find himself" while the rest of the U.S. team trained for this showing.'

Goes back to what every high school coach, including mine, would say:

You don't practice, you don't play.

If Klinsman wasn't just blowing smoke then Altidore may be back for the next game anyway.


#36 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-26 02:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

You don't practice, you don't play.

My sentiments exactly. Interesting they are not getting Donovan's take on the ESPN post game show. Maybe he lost a bet. LOL

#37 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-26 02:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

So... how many games has the US won and why are they still in the tournament?

#38 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-26 02:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

So... how many games has the US won and why are they still in the tournament?

#38 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-26 02:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

They went 1-1-1 with an even goal differential.

They are still in because Ghana was 0-2-1 and Portugal was 1-1-1 but had a negative goal differential.

#39 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-26 02:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Thanks, Sully.

I don't know so much about soccer, so could only suggest taking the differential to a good auto mechanic.

#40 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-26 02:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Good game. Germany was the better team.

#41 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-06-26 02:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Glad to see the USA is still in it.

I'd be happier to see them win more. Not much to ask...

But, I am a liberal so I only have little goals.

#42 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-26 02:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

And there are several times during todays game when it would have been nice to have Landon Donovan on the field.

#43 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-06-26 02:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sully, FYI flip of a coin to decide games exists in all futbol leagues and tournaments. Its called penalty kicks.

#44 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2014-06-26 02:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

Glad the U.S. advanced, but I wanted to see them beat Germany.

Interesting they are not getting Donovan's take on the ESPN post game show.

They eventually did talk to him at the LA Galaxy practice facility. He put on a gun show:

pbs.twimg.com

#45 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-26 02:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

And there are several times during todays game when it would have been nice to have Landon Donovan on the field.

Yep. When Altidore went down, it would've been nice to see Donovan put in Dempsey's spot when he was moved to Altidore's position.

#46 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-26 02:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sully, FYI flip of a coin to decide games exists in all futbol leagues and tournaments. Its called penalty kicks.

#44 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2014-06-26 02:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yeah, penalty kicks are bad way to decide a game. I mentioned earlier that unlimited overtime with free substitition (for OT only) would much more sense.

#47 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-26 02:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

I mentioned earlier that unlimited overtime with free substitition (for OT only) would much more sense.

I wouldn't mind seeing a league try that, but I don't think there are enough substitutes to make it watchable. Running for 90 minutes plus unlimited overtimes is too much for even the most fit soccer player.

#48 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-26 02:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

I wouldn't mind seeing a league try that, but I don't think there are enough substitutes to make it watchable. Running for 90 minutes plus unlimited overtimes is too much for even the most fit soccer player.

#48 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-26 02:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

There would undoubtedly be some boring marathon games but in most cases the better conditioned team would gain an advantage as the game goes on.

Shootouts are exciting but its basically like saying "Still tied? OK, let's stop playing soccer and decide the winner by having a little contest..."

It would even make more sense to me to make drastic changes by expanding rosters and allowing for more substitions during the game in order to avoid the marathon scoreless tie where nobody can run anymore. IMO, anything is better than deciding the game by doing something other than playing the game.

But unlike most of my opinions, I see the other side of this one. ;-)

#49 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-26 03:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

Here's my solution to get rid of flip of coin - er - penalties. If tied after 15 minutes at each end, play the next 10 minutes 6 on 6 on full field. It would be unbelievable.

#50 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2014-06-26 03:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

U.S. Advances

Haven't seen that kind of positive news for the US in a long time.

#51 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-26 03:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

OKAY boys and girls....I WATCHED THE 2nd half.....and it was amazing..

they NEVER played in the US side of the field...the german goal keeper could have read a book...they got outrun all over the field and outscored and when it was over, they're moving on....

well okay...IF YOU SAY SO..

USA
USA
USA
USA

#52 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-06-26 03:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bush's fault.

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-06-26 03:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

And there are several times during todays game when it would have been nice to have Landon Donovan on the field.
#43 | POSTED BY MODER8

Sour grapes. We got through the group of death without him. Anyone who wants to take a four month vacation while the rest of the team trains gets what he deserves. Donovan didn't seem committed. It was his own failure. Cheers to Klinsmann for not giving in to someone who feels as though he's above the team.

#54 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-26 04:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Failing upwards is an American tradition!

#55 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2014-06-26 04:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

#52 | POSTED BY AFKABL2

Just goes to show how good Germany is, smart guy. You're talking about one of the top three teams in the world. U.S. doesn't even come close to that, so we should be happy with this result considering we get to play another game.

For me, it was like watching a Bears v. Patriots game from five years ago. Brady on the field a lot but Bears defense strong enough to hold him to minimal points. That's what you had here.

I'm so happy I could enlighten you with a little football v. football context ;-)

#56 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-26 04:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

"they NEVER played in the US side of the field...the german goal keeper could have read a book...they got outrun all over the field and outscored and when it was over, they're moving on....
#52 | Posted by afkabl2"

So I guess you missed them almost scoring twice in extra time, and once earlier in the half? I guess at your age, it is difficult to follow what is happening right in front of your eyes.

(By the way, the "US side of the field" is the side they are playing defense on. So your post is internally inconsistent. Tap a nap, grandpa.)

#57 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2014-06-26 04:17 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Cheers to Klinsmann for not giving in to someone who feels as though he's above the team.

Donovan didn't take the time off (which ended over a year ago) because he thought he was above the team. He did it because he was out of gas after all the MLS/Premiership/international play he has done the preceding two years.

#58 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-26 05:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Failing upwards is an American tradition!

#55 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2014-06-26 04:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

There really is no "failing up" in sports. Either you meet the requirements to move on or you don't. The requirements was to be one of the top 2 overall teams in the group after 3 games and they met that requirement.

That said, I think Americans prefer single elimination tournaments because the eventual winner has to go undefeated. You never have a situation where the eventual winner has a worse tournament record than the runner up, which can happen in other formats.

I know that many Europeans feel that the way our sports handle the postseason is silly. They feel it invalidates the regular season, which consists of more games. They have a point. But as a NY Giants fan, I'm not complaining about the way we do things here considering our last two titles were won by a 10-6 regular season team that beat a 16-0 team and a 9-7 regular season team that only made the playoffs because their division stunk.

#59 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-26 05:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

#58 | POSTED BY RCADE

I'm sure Donovan is happy to have you hear apologizing for him. Four month vacation because you are gassed?

HAHA! Four months, RCADE. Four months. If he was not aware that such a move would put him in jeopardy in making the team with a new, dominant head coach, he obviously felt as though he was above the team.

#60 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-26 05:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm sure Donovan is happy to have you hear apologizing for him. Four month vacation because you are gassed?

I didn't say Klinsmann had to keep him despite the break he took, did I?

But yes, I can see why he needed the break after 12 years of top international play and several years of year-round club play with no off season.

#61 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-26 06:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Really nobody familiar with Donovan or the circumstances surrounding his hiatus has opined that he was acting like a prima donna in any way. He was physically exhausted. He took time off. End of story.

#62 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-06-26 06:06 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

This is the most exciting, wonderful loss.

#63 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-06-26 06:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's better to be lucky than good.

#64 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2014-06-26 06:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

"That said, I think Americans prefer single elimination tournaments because the eventual winner has to go undefeated. You never have a situation where the eventual winner has a worse tournament record than the runner up, which can happen in other formats.
#59 | Posted by Sully"

They seem to like basketball, baseball, and hockey well enough.

#65 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2014-06-26 07:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

But yes, I can see why he needed the break after 12 years of top international play and several years of year-round club play with no off season.
#61 | POSTED BY RCADE

Well he made his choice then, didn't he? I have a hard time believing he was not aware of the risk he was taking.

#66 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-26 08:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

He was physically exhausted. He took time off. End of story.
#62 | POSTED BY MODER8

And he was fully aware of the risk he was taking. So why people are so outraged that he wasn't selected for the team?

Makes sense to me. It should make sense to him.

#67 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-26 08:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

And he was fully aware of the risk he was taking. So why people are so outraged that he wasn't selected for the team?

Because he's the best player ever to suit up for the U.S. men's team and most fans thought we had one last World Cup with him at age 32.

But I was at U.S./Nigeria in Jacksonville after the decision. People were still positive about the team and the coach despite Donovan not making the 23.

Even Donovan was positive, after 24 hours of grousing. He did a funny commercial about not making the team:

www.youtube.com

#68 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-26 08:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Can't believe I stayed up to watch that game, at least USA advances though!

#69 | Posted by mariosanchez at 2014-06-26 10:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's better to be lucky than good.

#64 | POSTED BY LEE_THE_AGENT

Except when you are both you tend to win instead of lose (or tie).

#70 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-26 10:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Donovan didn't take the time off (which ended over a year ago) because he thought he was above the team. He did it because he was out of gas after all the MLS/Premiership/international play he has done the preceding two years.

#58 | POSTED BY RCADE

I'm going to have to side with Rusty on this one. My feeling is that, apart form Donovan's time off, Klinsman didn't like what he saw in his attitude or performance in games and practices leading up to the World Cup. There's probably more here then what the press and public knows and I believe Klinsman's acted in the team's best interest.

#71 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2014-06-27 08:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

They seem to like basketball, baseball, and hockey well enough.

#65 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2014-06-26 07:12 PM | Reply | Flag

Yeah but in those playoffs, one team plays another until one of them is knocked out. There are no scenarios where team A beats team B but team B advances instead of A because of what they did against teams C and D. And there are no ties.

#72 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-27 09:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

And he was fully aware of the risk he was taking. So why people are so outraged that he wasn't selected for the team?

Makes sense to me. It should make sense to him.

#67 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-26 08:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

I saw a quote yesterday that indicated that he was aware that taking time off could negatively impact his career.

I don't see how the reason why he chose to take four months off matters anyway. What mattes is that he did it.

#73 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-27 09:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

There's probably more here then what the press and public knows and I believe Klinsman's acted in the team's best interest.

I disagree. I think Klinsmann did it because he thinks American sports teams are too sentimental about keeping stars past their prime, so naturally he'd be looking hard at cutting someone like Donovan after he took that break, even though he came back and has been committed since then. Look at the way Klinsmann talks about Kobe Bryant getting a $50 million, two-year extension from the Lakers.

Klinsmann is trying to change the U.S. mindset about soccer to be more like Europe. The top teams there always cut stars earlier than you'd expect them to. They fear hanging on to players too long more than they fear their teams being inexperienced.

I saw a quote yesterday that indicated that he was aware that taking time off could negatively impact his career.

If he was totally burned out and he didn't take the break, he might have been dropped because his quality of play suffered. Donovan loved U.S. soccer and was committed to it. The guy was a machine on the field and never stopped working. I think he took the break because he had to.

#74 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-27 10:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

Rcade, didn't hear Klinsman views about Kobe getting 50 mil for 2 years. I know he's an icon, but does anybody think the Lakers are getting good value. If that was his point, I agree. About 10 years ago, the great Dutch soccer legend Johan Cruyff, living in Barcelona, commented that all "cracks" (top players) should stay with one team no more than a maximum 3 years. Rivaldo, Ronaldo (Brazilian one), Figo and Ronaldinho, all Golden Ball winners Barcelona, but never stuck around too long. Of course then came along a kid called Messi and threw that talk out the window. I think Klinsman shares some of that idea that stars do fade out fast although I must admit being a national team, there should be more forgiveness for age then a club team.

#75 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2014-06-27 12:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Yeah but in those playoffs, one team plays another until one of them is knocked out. There are no scenarios where team A beats team B but team B advances instead of A because of what they did against teams C and D. And there are no ties.
#72 | Posted by Sully"

That's true. Well, from here forward it is "one and done."

#76 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2014-06-27 12:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

Americans know so little about soccer (myself included) that we probably think our losing and still advancing is due to American Exceptionalism.

#77 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-06-27 12:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yeah but in those playoffs, one team plays another until one of them is knocked out. There are no scenarios where team A beats team B but team B advances instead of A because of what they did against teams C and D. And there are no ties.

#72 | Posted by Sully

Think of the group stage which finished yesterday is as a mini "regular season" where 48 of the 63 or so matches that make up the World Cup tournament are played. During the regular season in American football at least there can be ties. From here on out it's win or go home.

With only three games per team to judge which two of four teams in any group are the best, and in a sport that tolerates ties as part of the scoring system, you'll likely have to resort to some tiebreakers.

If you look at Group H, the USA, Germany's the clear winner with two wins and one tie; Ghana the clear loser with two losses and one tie. That leaves the USA and Portugal, both with records of 1-1-1, so you have to look deeper. When USA played Portugal the result was a 2-2 tie so look deeper still. The difference comes down to this: We both lost to Germany, but USA's 0-1 loss to Germany was not nearly as bad Portugal's 1-4 loss to Germany. That makes us the better team, so we advance.

Also, this is relatively uncommon. Only two of the eight groups had to rely on tiebreakers to determine the final group standings. Brazil edged Mexico for first place in similar fashion: Brazil and Mexico went 0-0 when they played each other but Brazil's +5 goal differential --seven goals scored minus two goals allowed -- puts them on top of Mexico, with four goals scored and one allowed.

#78 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-06-27 05:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

The media interests are masters at manipulation and creating public interest that works only in their own interests and the interest of the 1%.

As if America needs another marketing diversion of overpaid bozos making more money for media bozo oligarchs. Creating another obsessive sport only wastes what should be informative air time to create critical American hinkers. The media agenda is to keep the citizenry clueless and paying taxes to build more stadiums and more eyeballs to sell airtime for their propaganda.

The partisans are playing this as political with soccer being more worldly (as if worldly is a positive) and playing it as a sissy sport when neither are relevant.

#79 | Posted by Robson at 2014-06-28 09:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

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