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Monday, June 23, 2014

Texas prisoners have sued (again) to force the state's Department of Criminal Justice to bring temperatures in their cells down to 88 degrees or less. Most people would probably consider the high 80s to be uncomfortably hot, but the federal lawsuit -- filed on behalf of four inmates at a facility that houses ill, geriatric and disabled prisoners -- alleges that the status quo is far worse. According to the lawsuit, there are only 551 air-conditioned beds statewide in a system that holds over 150,000 prisoners and at least 12 inmates have died of heat stroke in Texas prisons since 2011.

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If it wasn't so damn hot I could proofread better. Heat not hear.

#1 | Posted by et_al at 2014-06-22 05:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

I sort of agree with the lawsuit. I cant imagine how hot it must be in those prisons.

#2 | Posted by boaz at 2014-06-22 06:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

The facility houses ill, geriatric and disabled prisoners. At least 12 inmates have died of heat stroke in Texas prisons since 2011.

Southern hospitality

#3 | Posted by SammyAZ_RI at 2014-06-22 06:53 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

In all serosity, Texas prisons should be looked into for civil rights abuses.

When thou goest with thine adversary to the magistrate, as thou art in the way, give diligence that thou mayest be delivered from him; lest he hale thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and the officer cast thee into prison. I tell thee, thou shalt not depart thence, till thou hast paid the very last penny.

--Luke 12:58-9

#4 | Posted by madscientist at 2014-06-23 01:26 AM | Reply | Flag:

Life is rough sam. Don't commit a crime and cool yourself off.

#5 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-23 09:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'm sorry, no not really. The council on aging here actively solicits fans for our elderly who don't have or have but can't afford to run their AC units.

#6 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2014-06-23 10:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

I was a little torn on this one until I read the article. AC is a modern invention, while prisons are not. Was Texas prohibited from operating prisons in the pre-AC era? Of course not. However, the article indicates that modern Texas prisons are poorly designed, to "hold heat in, like a parked car."

Perhaps Texas should hire actual architects to design their prisons.

#7 | Posted by censored at 2014-06-23 10:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

They don't need no stinkin architects, they need some smart construction engineers.

#8 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-23 11:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

It is time we show Israel how it is done and return Texas to Mexico. We stole it. They want it. Let them have it. Immigration problem solved and model for the world displayed. Win/win.

#9 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-06-23 11:12 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

I'll build them pools to swim in, filled with fracking water!
-Christian Gov. Rick Perry

#10 | Posted by catdog at 2014-06-23 12:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

When I was in elementary school here in Florida I went to school in a building my mother had attended when she was young. The basement of that building seemed to stay nice and cool even on the hottest days of the summer and it was not air conditioned. There are ways to design buildings to stay cool without A/C but it probably has to be planned that way from the beginning.

#11 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-23 12:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bring back Dungeons

#12 | Posted by FlyUntied at 2014-06-23 12:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bring back Dungeons

#12 | POSTED BY FLYUNTIED

We need more. We need Advanced Dungeons...and Dragons.

#13 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-06-23 12:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

boo hoo

#14 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-06-23 12:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Minds are empty
Heads are hollow
You might find out
The truth is hard to swallow
There's a place down there
Where heads are square
Laws are tough and few are fair

Texas is the place
Beers, Steers, and ------

-Revco

#15 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-06-23 12:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

If you don't like the conditions in Texas prisons, don't become an inmate. They deserve every day. They deserve every bit and more. Gangbangers, murders, rapist, and assorted losers. Most here believe they get out too early- with a little work and compliance with rules a creep with a ten year sentence can get out in less than four, with twofers and threefers are in effect. The old prisoners are there for a good reason, most are lifers, I wondered if they worried about the comfort of their victims as they murdered them?

#16 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-06-23 01:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

Flies all green 'n buzzin' in his dungeon of despair
Prisoners grumble and piss their clothes and scratch their matted hair
A tiny light from a window hole a hundred yards away
Is all they ever get to know about the regular life in the day;

An' it stinks so bad the stones been chokin'
'N weepin' greenish drops
In the room where the giant fire puffer works
'N the torture never stops
The torture never stops

Slime 'n rot, rats 'n snot 'n vomit on the floor
Fifty ugly soldiers, man, holdin' spears by the iron door
Knives 'n spikes 'n guns 'n the likes of every tool of pain
An' a sinister midget with a bucket an' a mop where the blood goes down the drain;

#17 | Posted by FlyUntied at 2014-06-23 01:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

13 and 15..

you post about a game for NERDS....then you want us to take you seriously promoting a stereotype that is HIGHLY OFFENSIVE to a large segment of the population. ..and you can't EVEN do it in iambic pentameter....

what a hack !!!

lol

#18 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-06-23 01:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Just waiting for the headline: Prisoners sue for lack of Grey Poupon at Texas Correctional Facilities.

Dont do the crime, dont suffer the consequences.

#19 | Posted by aescal at 2014-06-23 02:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

#18

Who dropped a clod in your churn?

#20 | Posted by FlyUntied at 2014-06-23 02:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

once upon a time...texas prisoners grew and processed and ate their own food at a tremendous savings for the tax payers....I KNOW...one of my school parents was superintendent in charge at one unit.
this included every sort of food you can imagine and all the beef they could eat....

that all ended because that work ( FARMING/RANCHING )was deemed to be cruel and unusual after a lawsuit in front of a pompus little judge who didn't like the governor.

now they sue cause they're hot......there's a public street you can drive on not far from the main unit...that runs close to an area where prisoners have picnic tables where you can see them playing cards, full size outdoor basketball court, a backstop for playing softball and an area where you'll see some working out.

Long gone are the days of REAL prisoners like COOL HAND LUKE>....

#21 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-06-23 02:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

#18

Who dropped a clod in your churn?

#20 | Posted by FlyUntied a

I'm just trying to get the dumb SOB back into shape...

you haven't been around that long and what you don't understand is that I'm his Mr. MIYAGI....

#22 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-06-23 02:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Keeping elderly and infirm prisoners locked up in rooms that are in the high 80s and low 90s range of temperature is cruel and unusual punishment. This is not an instance of 'do the crime, do the time'. This is an instance of irresponsible and sadistic prison authorities not doing their jobs.

#23 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-06-23 02:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

When I visit my brother in a Texas prison, he tells me the only area with air conditioning he has access to is the visitor area. He said he's learned to adapt to the stifling heat, but not everyone does. If you think criminals are on edge when they arrive in the Texas Department of Corrections system, just imagine what living in 90+ degree heat for months on end does to their mentalities. Frankly, I'm surprised there aren't riots.

#24 | Posted by DCTexan at 2014-06-23 02:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

#22

I can dig it.

Incidental PSA:

I refresh my crew each year about heat stroke:

"What are the symptoms of heat stroke?"

"Feel hot but shivering! Not sweating!"

"What do you do?"

"pour water on them!"

"What happens if you don't?"

"They die!"

"OK. Carry on"

#25 | Posted by FlyUntied at 2014-06-23 02:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I sort of agree with the lawsuit. I cant imagine how hot it must be in those prisons."

I to agree that the elderly in prison should be granted AC that prevents them from dying from the heat.

The rest of inmates should have AC that barely keeps temperatures under 90 degrees and can be taken away if they're disobedient.

#26 | Posted by Tor at 2014-06-23 02:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

yeah well I wonder what the people who are ROOM TEMP have to say about these poor criminals.

hard to gather much sympathy for these people who mostly made wrong choices even knowing what texas heat is like.

#27 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-06-23 02:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bring back Dungeons

#12 | Posted by FlyUntied

Dungons are cool places.

#28 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-23 04:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I sort of agree with the lawsuit. I cant imagine how hot it must be in those prisons."

I to agree that the elderly in prison should be granted AC that prevents them from dying from the heat.

The rest of inmates should have AC that barely keeps temperatures under 90 degrees and can be taken away if they're disobedient.

#26 | Posted by Tor

When I was younger there wasn't anybody with AC. Houses and cars were hot and you kept cool with the windows open. I NEVER heard of anybody dying from the heat. Society is getting way too soft. Thee the GIs that lived in tents in the mideastern desert about how you love your AC.

#29 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-23 04:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sniper we all know you're not even 30 so stop pretending you predate AC being a common feature in houses.

#30 | Posted by Tor at 2014-06-23 06:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

yeah well I wonder what the people who are ROOM TEMP have to say about these poor criminals.
#27 | Posted by afkabl2

Good point. I suggest you seek answers from the Founding Fathers and the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution they wrote.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-06-23 07:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Rightwingers love the 2nd Amendment, but seem absolutely aghast about the 8th Amendment.

#32 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-06-23 07:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

No.

It does not matter what crime they committed.

They need to be treated like decent human beings, and not just the elderly/infirm ones. 88 degrees "or less" is a LOT worse than most of you armchair "justice" seekers could tolerate for more than a half hour before crying for your mothers, so shut the hell up. they're not asking for 68 degrees and ice cubes in scotches, they are asking for their cells to be kept below DANGEROUS temperatures.

#33 | Posted by soheifox at 2014-06-23 07:45 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

The Constitution exists to prevent mob rule, the majority of whom would enjoy torturing prisoners, SOME if not many of whom committed victimless crimes that offended the mafia. TX Governor Rick Perry is a fake Texan and false Christian and psuedo-heterosexual. He and Dewhurst are both NWO lackeys.

#34 | Posted by kenx at 2014-06-23 08:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

At what temp does it become inhumane treatment for people in the military? Tents in the desert in the middle of summer are hot and the tents in Viet Nam were damn hot too.

#35 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-23 09:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh did i forget to mention they were damn wet during the monsoon season. I don't care what you say, prisoners should NOT be treated better than we treat our military. That goes for gitmo and the VA also.

#36 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-23 09:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

SNIPER inmates are already treated better than servicemen on the front lines.

Don't believe me?

Inmates don't constantly have to worry about being shot do they?

What's more the military has rarely (if ever) forced Americans of retirement age to live in field conditions.

And if you can't bring yourself to feel sorry for the ancient inmates try to feel sorry for the guards who have to work in that heat.

#37 | Posted by Tor at 2014-06-23 09:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

"At what temp does it become inhumane treatment for people in the military?"

Why is that relevant? What kind of pensions do prisoners get when released after 20 years?

Do prisoners get special licence plates? Discount rates? Their own medical system?

Are job prospects the same on exit? Does anyone volunteer for prison?

#38 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-23 10:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

For the naysayers, check out sections I and II of this report.

Five dead inmates from heat stroke whose internal body temp were 105°F and two were 109°F. Then there's the employees and the hundreds of workman's comp. claims.

If you then maintain your indifference there is no hope for you as a human.

#39 | Posted by et_al at 2014-06-23 11:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

If you then maintain your indifference there is no hope for you as a human.
#39 | Posted by et_al

It's not all bad news. On the bright side they have great prospects as right-wingers.

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-06-24 12:27 AM | Reply | Flag:

No, it's an exhibition of terminal stupid. Your comment fits well.

#41 | Posted by et_al at 2014-06-24 03:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

it's an exhibition of terminal stupid.
#41 | Posted by et_al

That's a politically viable point of view these days.
Remember the last GOP primary where the candidates were asked if they believe in evolution?

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-06-24 03:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

Prisons should not have A/C.

And fans should only be permitted for wings only housing non-violent offenders (I've spent months with no A/C, in Florida, during the summer, and got by with a fan, and I did it to save money (and more than a few times wondered about life before electric fans, let alone A/C....). Not much pity for prison inmates.....).

If AC is a right, then every person that lived prior to the 1950s is GUILTY of a crime.

As for designing prisons with better air flow, certainly, but only AFTER designing for security, and if security and air flow conflict, security wins.

#43 | Posted by USAF242 at 2014-06-24 06:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

It gets hotter than that at my t shirt printing shop all of the time.

#44 | Posted by shirtsbyeric at 2014-06-24 08:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

Try the engine room of a WWII era destroyer running superheat. After that 95 degrees in the sleeping quarters feels cool. Whimps.

#45 | Posted by jdmeth at 2014-06-24 10:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

SNIPER inmates are already treated better than servicemen on the front lines.

Don't believe me?

Inmates don't constantly have to worry about being shot do they?

#37 | Posted by Tor

OH crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You just made my point for me. Not only don't they have to dodge bullets but they have much better living conditions.

#46 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-24 11:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

Does anyone volunteer for prison?

#38 | Posted by REDIAL

All the inmates that are guilty of a crime.

#47 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-24 11:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

Try the engine room of a WWII era destroyer running superheat. After that 95 degrees in the sleeping quarters feels cool. Whimps.

#45 | Posted by jdmeth

Or working in a deep underground mine.

#48 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-24 11:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

Know one ever t.ole me that disleagle tings waz bad. Now they haz me in jail and I'm not happie. I wants ayer conitioner and my sope operas on the TEE-VEE.

#49 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2014-06-24 02:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

If you then maintain your indifference there is no hope for you as a human.
#39 | Posted by et_al

Indifference? Read the posts since yours. The current crop of right-wingers want prisons to be this way. They're not indifferent, they're supportive.

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-06-24 03:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

The prison system in the U.S. sucks for a number of reasons. Politically driven war on drugs (MJ), little opportunity for ex-cons on the outside, mentality gained on the inside, the public defender lottery, and the list goes on. All lead to over population and an enormous cost. IMO, the solution has got to start with a reason for cons to get out and go straight in the first place.

Short story: I spent 3 years jumping through legal hoops to "be allowed" to hire an ex-con. Once I got it legal, my CEO and HR Vp called me in and basically told me if there was a problem, it was my ass. In the guys 2nd quarter employed with us he was named employee of the quarter out of 2500 employees. When we were getting ready to give him the plaque, the CEO asked who he was. I told him. While not always as successful, that opened the door for me to hire more. To my knowledge the guy is still there 15 years later. But now, the liability alone prohibits industries such as mine from hiring ex-cons. IMO, that's a big part of the problem.

#51 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2014-06-24 05:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Back in the early 80s we had a governor named Bill Clements, first republican gov in a hundred years. Then we had a big riot in Huntsville. The inmates burned up every thing that could burn. Clements put them in their yard and pulled tents from a bunch of National Guard armories. The tents cots and portapotties were their new temporary living accommodations. When challenged by some do gooders saying it was cruel and unusual punishment, he replied "If it is good enough for soldiers, it is more than good enough for convicted felons". There wasn't much sympathy for those convicts then, even less now.

#52 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-06-24 05:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sniper even you should understand than miners don't live underground and sailors don't live in the engine room.

#53 | Posted by Tor at 2014-06-24 06:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bogey I agree, If convicted of a crime, and the sentence is served, the punishment should end. One of my son in laws got popped breaking into a store. Fact is he and a couple of his homies got drunk and it seemed a good idea at 18. He served two years in county. He is now 28, the only encounter he has had with the Man sense is a week for nonsupport a couple of times,(didn't file his exemption for child support fast enough). He pays daily. I am glad to say he is currently employed. He is a damn fine cook, too bad cooks don't get paid much. The crap a ex-con faces is deep. Something that could improve their lot is to make insurance companies appraise risk by individuals and not groups. They did it for homosexuals, (which are a serious risk for claims, especially health insurance), why not convicts that keep their noise clean?

#54 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-06-24 07:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Having tried many times, it always seems to come down to the question of "what are the odds given their history"? And while numbers may not tell the whole truth, they do not lie. So, bottom line is that until the excommunicated as a whole "prove themselves" as a whole, I don't think their be any relief. Sad but true...IMHO.

#55 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2014-06-24 08:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

Damn!

Suing to get to 88 degrees??!!

I'm not a inmate coddler but that's hot!.

#56 | Posted by fresno500 at 2014-06-24 09:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

I changed my smart phone to centigrade so it's only going to be 43 degrees in my desert tomorrow.Tent city is brutal in Maricopa county but that's jail not prison.In Arizona less than a year is jail,more is prison.They have a tent prison in Douglas Az,you have to be minimum security to get that and at least you can see the outdoors and dream of escaping to Mexico,which you can see.The place is hotter than hell in the summer and cold in the winter.,My kid spent 3 years there.He still likes camping,I was surprised.

#57 | Posted by bruceaz at 2014-06-24 10:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

The honesty with which the right-wingers say undesirables should be put into ovens is... refreshing.

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-06-25 12:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

"At what temp does it become inhumane treatment for people in the military?"

The temperature of environment of the soldiers in battle cannot be controlled & must be endured.
But the multiple back-to-back deployments, even of those already suffering PTSD, is abuse that could be controlled, that is unless the abuse is the whole point.

#59 | Posted by kenx at 2014-06-25 03:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'll save my tears for the victims of the criminals.

#60 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2014-06-25 05:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

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