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Friday, June 20, 2014

At a tumultuous and partisan hearing of the House Ways and Means Committee Friday, IRS Commissioner John Koskinen told skeptical Republican members of Congress that the loss of thousands of former IRS official Lois Lerner's emails is not a cover up. After Rep. Paul Ryan told Koskinen, "I don't believe you," Koskinen replied, "I have a long career. That's the first time anyone has said they do not believe me." Asked how the email loss could happen, Koskinen said that 90,000 employees still use Windows XP -- which Microsoft doesn't even support any more -- and its operational budget, which includes IT spending, has been cut for five straight years. He also told reporters during a break that the "system of record" at the IRS is not email, but paper.

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Perspective: Windows XP was in use before the Bush administration lost 5 million emails related to the dismissal of US Attorneys.

#1 | Posted by Sycophant at 2014-06-20 08:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

"...the "system of record" at the IRS is not email, but paper."

Not surprising. In Canada the whole legal and medical world still runs via fax machines. Nothing via email is considered legally binding.

#2 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-20 08:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Windows XP was in use before the Bush administration lost 5 million emails related to the dismissal of US Attorneys.
#1 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

It wasn't internal emails.... it was an external site (www.gwb43.com), which was not proper, and those were his attorneys to fire..

perspective: Clinton fired 93 US Attorneys, so what, they were within their rights to do so.

Not surprising. In Canada the whole legal and medical world still runs via fax machines. Nothing via email is considered legally binding.
#2 | POSTED BY REDIAL

So what? I am sure what they were talking in email was "off the record"...

#3 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-06-20 08:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

"...those were his attorneys to fire... Clinton fired 93 US Attorneys..."

Not even remotely relevant.

"I am sure what they were talking in email was "off the record"..."

Probably was. Hence the lack of records. See how that works?

#4 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-20 09:26 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Again, the GOP's insane budget cutting bites them on the butt.

#5 | Posted by mikebank at 2014-06-20 09:27 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

Competent government is expensive because so much is demanded of it. The GOP constantly rails against "big government" without the realization that unless we allow government the resources necessary to do it's job we're always going to end up with more problems ultimately advanced by our own shortsighted decisions.

Of course there is waste and excess in government and there always will be. Human beings are corruptible and imperfect. All we can ask of our government is that it serves the needs of it's citizens as best as it can. It's not the least bit ironic that budget decisions championed by the Congressional Republicans -- as it regards both the IRS and our foreign embassy security -- led to inevitable problems and an unmitigated tragedy, yet these same culprits continually try to blame bureaucrats for the problems that they helped spawn themselves.

Our government will never be small because it takes a behemoth to serve and protect over 330 million people and growing. And yes, we take on far more than we should as it regards fiscal responsibilities for global affairs. But reality is what it is. The GOP needs to stop griping about why this happened and why that happened when they knowingly cut budgets for the very things and protections that might have made all the difference in the world had adequate funding been passed in the first place.

The GOP needs to investigate itself and find out why their austerity has endangered this nation both domestically and internationally and continues to unnecessarily retard our progress both economically and technologically. That is the real scandal, but it's one the GOP will never see and one their supporters won't acknowledge exists.

#6 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-06-20 10:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

**** Well the NSA which has been RECORDING EVERYTHING has a COPY of those EMAILS!!!

#7 | Posted by AntiCadillac at 2014-06-21 03:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

Since Reagan the GOP has loved the bad-government two-fer: Cut funding so government does its job badly, then use the bad performance as the reason we need more cuts.

If the commissioner is telling the truth and the IRS is still widely using Windows XP, will some people accept that the loss of some employee emails could be due to a sub-standard computing situation at the agency?

#8 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-21 10:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

Anticadillac is correct. The nsa has copies of everything. It is still a coverup. And anyone who believes otherwise is either a child or a moron.

#9 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-06-21 11:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

When it was just Lois Lerner's crashed and destroyed harddrive full of lost emails, I was willing to buy it. I know from my military experience that such crashes happen, and that old harddrives do get crushed.

But now it seems to be a bunch of crashed harddrives, all covering THAT period of time. in 20ish years of military computer use, I've not lost emails even once, and I've seen it in my office ONCE. I've only known about half a dozen people EVER who had it happen.

One computer, even two, is REALLY 'convenient' for the IRS..... More??? Sure, right, yeah. I call --------.

#10 | Posted by USAF242 at 2014-06-21 11:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

The man is a damn lier.

#11 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-21 12:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Perspective: Windows XP was in use before the Bush administration lost 5 million emails related to the dismissal of US Attorneys.

#1 | Posted by Sycophant

Quit making up CRAP.

#12 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-21 12:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

"...those were his attorneys to fire... Clinton fired 93 US Attorneys..."

Not even remotely relevant.

#4 | Posted by REDIAL

Then why did you bring it up>

#13 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-21 12:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Again, the GOP's insane budget cutting bites them on the butt.

#5 | Posted by mikebank

There were NO spending cuts. The cuts were to the growth.

#14 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-21 12:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Then why did you bring it up>"

The emails found missing in the investigation are relevant. The attorneys are not.

#15 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-21 12:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Great piece about this on Slate and how Ryan is actually right in some ways considering the IRS expects us to hold documents for 7 years and doesn't believe us when we lose them and they can't hold emails for 6 months?

#16 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-06-21 01:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

There were NO spending cuts. The cuts were to the growth.

Does the number of taxpayers not continue to increase? Are we asking the IRS to do more without paying for advanced technology and increasing the number of agents to keep up with the increased workload? Do you not see why your type of mentality wants it boths ways without recognizing you're a large part of the problem as you continually block those seeking to enact solutions?

The interrelated problems of both the IRS and Benghazi have exposed the uncomfortable reality that the GOP refused to pay for the spending these departments asked for. So increased security for our facilities in potentially hostile countries along with the technical modernization of the IRS and the hiring of more agents for enforcement purposes (which returns something like $8 for every dollar spent) were just things unworthy of funding if we had to pay a little more in taxes... until the moment this lack of foresight led to damaging failures that a blind man could have seen from miles away.

One day the majority will wake up and realize that the wealthy and powerful's obsession with garnering even more wealth is the root of America's festering problems and continues to retard real growth that actually reaches the bottom of working society at least to a point while it enriches the top.

#17 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-06-21 01:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Again, the GOP's insane budget cutting bites them on the butt.

#5 | POSTED BY MIKEBANK AT 2014-06-20 09:27 PM | FLAG:

Oh, no, any IRS agent can go out and buy a 2 tb hard drive themselves for $100.

#18 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-21 01:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

There were NO spending cuts. The cuts were to the growth.

Did the IRS's vendors give them the same cuts in growth of their costs?

#19 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-21 01:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

Are we asking the IRS to do more without paying for advanced technology and increasing the number of agents to keep up with the increased workload?

There are 100 agents nationwide to deal with 40,000 annual cases of ID theft.

These types think that the agents should work 65 hours per week with ever decreasing paychecks until they reach $7.25 per hour with no benefits.

#20 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-21 01:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Geez, a discussion about lost emails has generated a pity party for the IRS.

Partisanship is intense here.

#21 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-21 02:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

Does the number of taxpayers not continue to increase? Are we asking the IRS to do more without paying for advanced technology and increasing the number of agents to keep up with the increased workload? Do you not see why your type of mentality wants it boths ways without recognizing you're a large part of the problem as you continually block those seeking to enact solutions?

The interrelated problems of both the IRS and Benghazi have exposed the uncomfortable reality that the GOP refused to pay for the spending these departments asked for. So increased security for our facilities in potentially hostile countries along with the technical modernization of the IRS and the hiring of more agents for enforcement purposes (which returns something like $8 for every dollar spent) were just things unworthy of funding if we had to pay a little more in taxes... until the moment this lack of foresight led to damaging failures that a blind man could have seen from miles away.
#17 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Your caterwauling about funding sounds hollow when you consider the IRS found 49-50 million dollars to spend on "employee conferences" in just the two years between 2010 and 2012. Seems just a few million of that could have upgraded operating systems and hired a few more investigators huh?

#22 | Posted by TXLIBERTARIAN at 2014-06-21 03:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

If the commissioner is telling the truth and the IRS is still widely using Windows XP, will some people accept that the loss of some employee emails could be due to a sub-standard computing situation at the agency?

#8 | Posted by rcade

Wake up rca. I have worked many places that used windows starting with 3.1. The e-mails all went thru a server and it was backed-up every night. How in the hell do you think a network in an office works?

#23 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-21 04:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

The emails found missing in the investigation are relevant. The attorneys are not.

#15 | Posted by REDIAL

Who brought up the face that Bush fired a few attorneys? What was the point of it?

#24 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-21 04:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Does the number of taxpayers not continue to increase?

#17 | Posted by tonyroma

There arfe less taxpayers now than there were 8 years ago. The IRS budget has increased in that time.

#25 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-21 04:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Did the IRS's vendors give them the same cuts in growth of their costs?

#19 | Posted by 726

WTF are you babbling about?

#26 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-21 04:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

AHA AHA HA HA HA,.... you're not serious are you ?

did any of you even look at this guy ? smug..and all those other names that govt workers who feel superior to everyone cause they work for the govt...

anyone who believes this guy has never been a teacher or in a position to look at a little kid and tell that they were LYING...

oh and by the way,....he used to work for FANNIE MAY......wonder how much money he STOLE from us through that one?

oh MAN....you guys REALLY looked at him and thought he was telling the truth ??

#27 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-06-21 04:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

If the commissioner is telling the truth and the IRS is still widely using Windows XP, will some people accept that the loss of some employee emails could be due to a sub-standard computing situation at the agency?
#8 | Posted by rcade

Sure, it is sub-standard like everything else the government does, this goes without question....did you hear the EPA also in contempt for deleting files?
sharylattkisson.com

Seems like a trend, a very disturbing trend...

Regardless of the computing situation it still may or may not be a coverup....

#28 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-06-21 05:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

The interrelated problems of both the IRS and Benghazi have exposed the uncomfortable reality that the GOP refused to pay for the spending these departments asked for.
#17 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

I will go with, more money hides problems, it doesn't solve them, never has never will. The IRS would have happened and so would of Benghazi..... money doesn't solve problems, just look at healthcare.gov, how much did we spend?

You will only have more of it.

#29 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-06-21 05:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

money doesn't solve problems

It does when said money is directed toward tangible benefits that help each agency better perform it's missions. If we had appropriated more money for foreign service security perhaps the embassy would have never been overrun and our personnel wouldn't have been killed. If we had appropriated more money to modernize and better secure the cyberdata which the IRS generates and collects then perhaps these emails wouldn't have been lost and their overall efforts could be more productive as it comes to serving taxpayers and prosecuting scofflaws.

Sometimes it is that simple. Bureaucrats didn't make these decisions; politicians -- along with their aids and lobbyists -- did and they must be held accountable.

#30 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-06-21 05:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

If we had appropriated more money for foreign service security perhaps the embassy would have never been overrun and our personnel wouldn't have been killed.

#30 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-06-21 05:53 PM | Reply | Flag

Still beating that dead horse? Are you admitting Obama knew the embassy was lacking security and did nothing about it?

The government always finds money when they need it. Besides, beefing security in Benghazi wouldn't have cost a thing since they already have the man power, weapons and support they need.

Obama's incompetence caused our people to die.

9/11/12 was just another day in the cave, right roma?

rwd

#31 | Posted by rightwingdon at 2014-06-21 06:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Are you admitting Obama knew the embassy was lacking security and did nothing about it?

You really are a toolbag aren't you? Ever heard the saying "The President proposes and Congress disposes"?

In 2011 and 2012, President Obama sought a total of $5 billion, and the House approved $4.5 billion. Hillary Clinton (among others) had long warned Republicans that they were weakening national security by cutting, well, security.

Back in February of 2011: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton emerged from a meeting with House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) sharply critical of proposed Republican cuts to the State Department budget, warning they "will be detrimental to America's national security."

Republicans shrugged off the criticism. They had just won control of the House, it was time make some changes. And those changes included cutting the sort of security that might've prevented the Benghazi disaster. www.dailykos.com


Benghazi wasn't the only facility in need of more security, and the GOP didn't care until after our people had to die. Explain how it's Obama's fault that the GOP wouldn't appropriate enough money to shore up security at our foreign facilities as was specifically requested.

#32 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-06-21 06:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

You really are a toolbag aren't you?
#32 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-06-21 06:17 PM | Reply | Flag

The pot calling the kettle black. Since you are nothing more then an Obama apologist you should refrain from calling people names.

Benghazi, get it?

What part of Obama not securing the site do you not get and how does that play into the republicans. Your hero does what the hell he wants when he wants to do it regardless if he breaks the law or not.

It would have cost nada to secure the site.

Why are you so insistent 9/11/12 was not planned. And don't post me any of your NYT drivel because everyone seemingly knows besides you they aren't the bastion of objective reporting.

9/11/12 was just another day in the cave, right roma?

rwd

#33 | Posted by rightwingdon at 2014-06-21 06:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

What part of Obama not securing the site do you not get and how does that play into the republicans.

I always put a period at the end of a question. What part about the GOP denying funding for security do YOU not get? And before 9/11/12 what about Benghazi makes it more important than any other US facility in a hostile Muslim country?

And I've posted volumes of quotes and stories from sources outside of the NYT, you've just chosen to ignore them. Fortunately, the NYT was the only major US media source that reported on, followed, and investigated from the ground in Benghazi. The right never bothered to place any reporters there before the attacks. Did you already forget this ignatz?

Chris Stevens, US ambassador to Libya, killed in Benghazi attack Wednesday 12 September 2012 08.24 EDT

According to the Libya Herald, citing local witnesses, those who attacked the US mission included members of the hardline Islamist group Ansar Al-Sharia. It reported that Libyan security forces tried to defend the embassy building but withdrew under heavy fire. The attackers opened fire on the buildings and threw homemade bombs into the compound, setting off small explosions. Fires burned around the compound
.
The assault followed a protest in neighbouring Egypt where demonstrates scaled the walls of the US embassy, tore down the US flag, and burned it during a protest over the same film which (Benghazians) said insulted the prophet Muhammad.
www.theguardian.com

US consulate attack in Benghazi - interactive

Thursday 13 September 2012 12.01 EDT

The attack on the US consulate in Libya started with a peaceful demonstration but rapidly escalated into a full-blown attack by armed groups. www.theguardian.com
#24 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2014-06-18 05:43 PM www.drudge.com


#34 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-06-21 06:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

#34 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-06-21 06:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Don't ever make a grammatical error because I'll call you on it and harass you endlessly.

The assault followed a protest in neighbouring Egypt where demonstrates scaled the walls of the US embassy, tore down the US flag, and burned it during a protest over the same film which (Benghazians) said insulted the prophet Muhammad. www.theguardian.com

Ok grasshopper lets do this slow so you'll keep up.

July 2 film comes out.

I suppose there were gripes about it but it wasn't until the anniversary of 9/11 that the protests ramped up.

Planned.

9/11/12 was just another day in the cave right?

Common sense is not really your strong point now is it??

The rest of you post like the previous 500 including the Palin threads is nothing more then deflection, get real apologist.

rwd

#35 | Posted by rightwingdon at 2014-06-21 07:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Common sense is not really your strong point now is it??

Ignorance certainly is your strong suit though and you continue to prove it with each and every post. You have no idea why the video was created and who was behind it, do you? You're completely ignorant that 9/11/12 wasn't the only day violent demonstrations over the video took place the world over aren't you? Do you know how the Coptic Christians in Egypt are linked to this controversy?

Instead of trying to uselessly slam me, why don't you do some research for yourself?

An act of provocation? The "Innocence of Muslims" Film, and Its Political Consequences

Posted on September 26, 2012

The low budget movie "Innocence of Muslims" has caused a major stir around the Islamic world. However, a very interesting story is behind the production, which has sparkled violent protests around the Islamic world. The first issue that needs to be taken into consideration is the coincidence of this movie getting worldwide recognition at the 11th anniversary of the 09/11 terrorist attacks in the USA, despite the fact that the "movie" was released in July 2012[1].

It can be assumed that the reasons behind Mr. Nakoula's anti-Muslim film are related to the abuse, discrimination and violence against the Christian Coptic minority in Egypt, fuelled by the country's political instability after the revolution, the concern for the future, and the wellbeing of the Egyptian Christian minority in the country[9]. If Mr. Nakoula's film was an attempt to bring into light the Coptic rights connected to the safety of the Coptic population in Egypt, then why did he use a fake name and most importantly an American-Jewish alias?

An extreme interpretation of the film's true objective would be the director's will to involve the US and Israeli governments and their populations into a sectarian conflict with Islamic populations.... As extreme the above assumption as it may sound, the film successfully managed to provoke a violent reaction around the Muslim world. In Libya[14] the US ambassador was killed along with four other Americans who were inside the US Consulate in Benghazi that was attacked by furious armed men who stormed inside. In Kabul, Afghanistan and Jakarta, Indonesia[15] demonstrations in reaction to the film turned violent with protestors burning cars along with US flags. In Pakistan[16], protestors clashed with the police while in Lebanon, Hezbollah[17] released an angry statement about the film calling for the punishment of the filmmakers.

Finally, the film has without any doubt caused an unbelievable reaction, although this kind of reaction was absolutely unnecessary and could have been avoided. As for the US government, it would be better not to be directly involved in controlling the clashes, but to co-operate with local governments in order to control the situation and avoid any further loses. In case the USA were directly involved the outcome would have been unbelievable; more hatred against the USA and violent reactions would have been caused. Additionally, the anti-American wave would have taken even wider dimensions that would probably even resemble the one during the invasion of Iraq. The stance that the USA have kept until now is without any doubt right. thegwpost.com


This is a highly edited snippet of volumes of information about this infamous film and it's role in fomenting global violence in September of 2012. Click on the link and learn something you don't know. Read it.

#36 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-06-21 08:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

From various sources most of the uprising occurred after 9/11 after the attack was "advertised" around the globe.
maps.google.com

My guess was the administration advertised for the filmmaker, what ever happened to that guy?

#37 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-06-21 08:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

#36 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-06-21 08:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wowzer.

#1 Your link validates my position it was a "timed" event.

#2 The article did not state the Coptic's were linked to the video it only raised the possibility but yet elsewhere in the article it said the producer was Terry Jones.

#3 The article is so poorly written and rambling it lacks any clear message as to exactly what the authors are trying to say.

#4 It "alleges" a conspiracy.

#5 Are you now saying the film is some sort of conspiracy aimed at drawing the US and Israeli governments and their populations into a sectarian conflict with Islamic populations?

rwd

#38 | Posted by rightwingdon at 2014-06-21 09:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

There is absolutely no way the loss of these emails is not intentional and criminal. These emails were all backed up many times, and effort was put into destroying them.

#39 | Posted by kenx at 2014-06-22 05:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

No IRS coverup? No corruption? Wellllll, may a smidgen...

"It turns out the IRS contracted with a company that provides email backup services starting in 2005. This first came to light in the Twitter feed of moregenr, who noticed that the IRS appears on the client list of email archiving service provider Sonasoft.
The IRS had a contract with email backup service vendor Sonasoft starting in 2005,according to FedSpending.org, which lists the contract as being for "automatic data processing services." Sonasoft's motto is "email archiving done right," and the company lists the IRS as a customer."

www.americanthinker.com

#40 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-06-22 09:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

You really are a toolbag aren't you? Ever heard the saying "The President proposes and Congress disposes"?

#32 | Posted by tonyroma

You really are a toolbag aren't you?

year - spending in trillions
2006 - 2.6
2008 - 2.9
2010 - 3.1
2012 - 3.2

When has government spending gone down?

#41 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-22 11:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

"When has government spending gone down?"

As far as Tony is concerned, it went down when Obamma SAID it went down. Hell, Tony still believes that all the healthcare negotiations were broadcasted on CSPAN and that, if he likes his doctor, he can keep his doctor...PERIOD!

#42 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-06-22 12:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Read the very last sentence of the article roma wanted me to read.

It is the only thing he seen that made any sense to him.

thegwpost.com

rwd

#43 | Posted by rightwingdon at 2014-06-22 01:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

No IRS coverup? No corruption? Wellllll, may a smidgen...

#40 | POSTED BY JESTGETTINALONG

And what gets backed up? Everything? Some things? For how long? Contract still in place? Do they still have the emails? Was the contract IRS wide?

#44 | Posted by Sycophant at 2014-06-22 01:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

#44 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2014-06-22 01:04 PM | FLAG: Has absolutely chosen apt poster name:

"A sycophant is a person who tries to win favor from wealthy or influential people by flattering them. Also known as brown-nosers, teacher's pets or suck-ups."

www.vocabulary.com

#45 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-06-22 01:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Proof Republicans are too stupid to know whats going on around them.

Facts:
*No group needed IRS approval to file taxes as a 501(c)(3)
*Applications were for PRE-approval
*Liberal groups were also targeted
*No White House political pressure evidence exists
*292 Conservative groups applied for exempt status compared to 20 progressive groups
*The IRS did not have sufficient staff to review applications because the number of applications had never been close to that number before (Blame Citizen's United)

Here's my favorite:
*Of the 60 complaining 501(c)(3) Social Welfare groups, 19 refused to sign affidavits saying they'd keep political spending to 40% of their total spending.

If you want more on how these groups actually operate, read more here:
blogs.rollcall.com
www.thewire.com

#46 | Posted by Sycophant at 2014-06-22 01:39 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#46 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2014-06-22 01:39 PM | FLAG: Repeats "Not even a smidgen" over and over and.....

#47 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-06-22 02:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

#46 Proof Republicans are too stupid to know whats going on around them. - Sycophant

Then this 'genius' throws a whole bunch of crap out there regarding 501(c)(3) when this is about groups under 501(c)(4).

#48 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-22 02:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

In my very humble opinion, the IRS commissioner either did not know what he was talking about or he flat lied to Congress. I know that in my time with DHS every single email that I wrote was backed up in Washington at the main server, filed by my user name. I know that if my computer crashed no big deal, as my emails were always available. Heck I could go to a different state, use a DHS computer at that site and get into my emails. (To include all my old stuff if needed) The IRS was suppose to have a contract with a private firm (allenwestrepublic.com) to save their emails. Normal federal filling requirements for email traffic is not less than 5 years even if filing guide lines are only for 1 year. In short, someone is lying to someone. Either the commissioner to congress or his staff to him.

#49 | Posted by Anon451 at 2014-06-22 02:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

And what gets backed up? Everything? Some things? For how long? Contract still in place? Do they still have the emails? Was the contract IRS wide?

#44 | Posted by Sycophant

It's the LAW that they save the records. They have a legal oblication to save the records in paper form also.

The sky is red syc, take that one to the irs.

#50 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-22 04:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

I have just learned from the daily caller that the contract was ended in August of 2011, just weeks after congress started to ask for the emails.l In a automation heavy branch like the IRS, one would hope that all of the email traffic would have been transferred by the contractor to the new data storage location for the IRS. This would have insured that the IRS was compliant with the five year rule on retaining of ALL ELECTRONIC transactions. Again the fact that Ms. Lerner's computer crashed should have been moot. Email traffic for federal employees are all run through central servers and the servers are backed up daily. Saying that her emails are unavailable because her computer crashed is horse hockey. Please do not tell me what happened during the Bush years, this was a new administration that should of know how to comply with the law, with the POTUS being a lawyer and all.

#51 | Posted by Anon451 at 2014-06-22 07:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

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