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Thursday, June 19, 2014

Up to 100 U.S. special forces -- probably Green Berets, Army Rangers and Navy SEALs -- would go to Iraq to advise its military and collect intelligence under a Pentagon plan offered to President Barack Obama, U.S. officials told CNN. An announcement on the plan could come Thursday, though the officials made clear that Obama will decide whether to accept it and when to announce it. Obama will make a statement on the situation in Iraq at 1:15 p.m Eastern on Thursday after meeting with his national security team.

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Prediction: No matter what he says, rightwingers are gonna whine about it. (Call it a hunch.)

#1 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-06-19 01:10 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

"Up to 100 U.S. special forces -- probably Green Berets..."

won't their green berets kinda give them away? or are they gonna wear green turbans instead?

#2 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-19 01:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

"advise its military and collect intelligence"

seriously, is the iraqi military the best place to go to collect intelligence? how many mensa members are currently employed by the army in iraq?

#3 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-19 01:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

He will announce sending Dick "Duck" Cheney over there in full hunting regalia to take those suckers out!

www.hyscience.com

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-19 01:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

intelligence officer: "sir, we have some more intelligence for you. the enemy looks kinda similar to the guys on our side, only they accessorize more with black clothing and less red-white and blue...".

"great! re-program the drones to target the color black. and make sure to ready the media just in case we have any unintentional and accidental civilian casualties, you know, weddings and funerals and such. and while your at it, continue to look for those wmd..."

#5 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-19 01:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

military peon: "sir, the navy seals have completed their mission..."

general: "great! reward them! throw them some fish!"

#6 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-19 01:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

The worst case of mission - creep ever.

#7 | Posted by kudzu at 2014-06-19 01:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

ISIS or ISIL? The debate over what to call Iraq's terror group

www.washingtonpost.com

#8 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-19 01:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Not matter what he says, the DNC will call it brilliant.

#9 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-06-19 01:36 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

This sounds exactly like how we got into Vietnam. Not one more American dollar expended or one service man put at risk in perpetuating war in the Middle East. We have frittered away too much of America for the ME and not in our interest. We are supposedly energy self sufficient if we keep our energy here.

#10 | Posted by Robson at 2014-06-19 01:37 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

The first thing we need to do is purge the USA of our neocons; or we could send them into action as warhawks instead of their typical role as chickenhawks.

#11 | Posted by Robson at 2014-06-19 01:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

I guess some people would prefer Mitt! or Ted Cruz at the podium now.

Perhaps they will get their wish.

#12 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-19 01:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

#10 - tell it to exxon and the senators they own.

#13 | Posted by kudzu at 2014-06-19 01:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

"This sounds exactly like how we got into Vietnam"

unfortunately, we don't seem to have the decade-long stretch of completely awesome music to go along with it...

www.youtube.com

#14 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-19 01:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

Prediction: No matter what he says, rightwingers are gonna whine about it. (Call it a hunch.)

#1 | POSTED BY MODER8

No matter what he says, you will think he got it just right.

#15 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-19 01:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

I hope the Iraqis are watching so they'll know what they 'have' to do

#16 | Posted by FlyUntied at 2014-06-19 01:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

No Dix. If Obama intends on sending in troops I will say Obama got it wrong. I don't even like sending in "advisors".

#17 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-06-19 01:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

I guess some people would prefer Mitt! or Ted Cruz at the podium now.
Perhaps they will get their wish.
#12 | POSTED BY CORKY

Well at this point its too late. It doesn't matter what we do, so we shouldn't do much.

we broke Iraq, we bought it, we returned it..... .end of story....

Some RWngrs will complain we should be more forceful, I say the time for force is over. But I would say we need to get intelligence in there and understand what is happening but try not to affect outcome.

#18 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-06-19 02:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

If Obama intends on sending in troops I will say Obama got it wrong. I don't even like sending in "advisors".

#17 | POSTED BY MODER8

I agree, are you a RWinger now? ;)

#19 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-06-19 02:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

If we're serious about helping the Iraqis they need special forces trainers, close air support from A-10s, drones and Apaches, more helicopters for air cavalry with pilots and ground crews, rocket and cannon artillery companies, mechanized infantry, heavy armor, RC-135 rivet joint electronic surveillance aircraft, refueling aircraft, cluster bombs, hellfires, more cluster bombs...

I hope we're not serious.

If they sucked it up and bribed the Kurds by recognizing Kurdistan in exchange for a military alliance they could do quite well without us.

#20 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-06-19 02:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Obama says we must partner w/ countries that have best interests of US in mind and then...says Iran could be a legitimate partner. OKAY. -- Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) June 19, 2014

#21 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-06-19 02:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

We won't use military force to support one religious group over another.
again.

#22 | Posted by FlyUntied at 2014-06-19 02:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

To Forgo or to Go For. That is the question.

#23 | Posted by FlyUntied at 2014-06-19 02:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

No Mackris. You are becoming more liberal. You are learning not to blindly put your faith in the military industrial complex as rightwingers are so wont to do.

#24 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-06-19 02:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Iraqi Factions Jockey to Oust Maliki, Citing U.S. Support

www.nytimes.com

#25 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-19 02:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Regime Change!

#26 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-19 02:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

Obama never mentioned God so many times and a Prayer before and after, makes me a little nervous maybe he knows something we don't.

#27 | Posted by ATaxpayer at 2014-06-19 02:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

Where's Hillary? Hiding out until the public opinion polls come out on intervention in Iraq?

#28 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-06-19 03:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Didn't a couple of resident libbies just say yesterday that "if Obama puts boots on the ground, they will be out demonstrating in the streets"? Words to that effect?

Hope you didn't have plans this weekend. And be sure to get the spelling right on the signs you're going to be carrying around--no need to show up on one of Fox's "Meet the Retards" segments.

#29 | Posted by WhiteDevil at 2014-06-19 03:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

She's given two prime time interviews on CNN and Fox the last couple of days, including answering questions on Iraq.

Not that anything she said would be given an objective hearing by a certified Clinton Hater.

#30 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-19 03:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

#29

"Thinks" advisers and intel guys are combat troops, lol.

#31 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-19 03:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

You are becoming more liberal. You are learning not to blindly put your faith in the military industrial complex as rightwingers are so wont to do.

#24 | POSTED BY MODER8

Well I think putting money in the MIC, is the best form of welfare, so there is that. I just don't see a good outcome from anything at this point regarding Iraq.

There is a time, place, and tactic for the military to be involved. My philosophy on this quick in, quick out anything that takes time or needed to stabilize will require both parties backing, which the Democrats backed out of in IRaq.

On a bigger picture, looking at our "returning" Iraq, I feel it looks incredibly worse to other nations than invasion in the first place. It shows American selfishness to the extreme.

The lessons from Vietnam, and Iraq are clear. If the military operation from feet dry to feet wet isn't going to last a politicians term, its best not to do it.

#32 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-06-19 03:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

#29
"Thinks" advisers and intel guys are combat troops, lol.
#31 | POSTED BY CORKY

Doesn't understand how Vietnam started... lol

#33 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-06-19 03:16 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#33

I know exactly how it started... and Iraq is not 'Nam.

Only the most dimwitted rwinger conspiracy nuts will contend that this is some prelude to combat troops in Iraq again.... from the guy who won election by being against the war.

One them has already posted that "Hillary needs a war" to get elected, and Obama is giving it to her.

How's that for anti-lucid?

#34 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-19 03:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Special Forces aren't combat troops?

#35 | Posted by WhiteDevil at 2014-06-19 03:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Obama is faaaar better as a CAC than W.

That being said I'm ready to protest in the street if he puts boots on the ground.

#6 | Posted by Tor at 2014-06-18 07:12 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag:

"That being said I'm ready to protest in the street if he puts boots on the ground."

I completely agree.

#7 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-18 07:14 PM

#36 | Posted by WhiteDevil at 2014-06-19 03:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

#35 |

Combat is a mission.... but hey, no one expects rationality from an rwinger, so, carry on, soldier.

#37 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-19 03:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Special Forces aren't combat troops?
#35 | POSTED BY WHITEDEVIL

Only when a democrat is in the White House.

#38 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-19 03:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Is there any value in this? Seriously.....our are "advisors" going to make a meaningful impact with the Iraqi military?

#39 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-19 03:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't even like sending in "advisors". - Moder8

why not?

#40 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-19 03:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Dempsey and Hagel agreed with subcommittee members that the Iraq crisis amounted to a threat to U.S. interests in the region and, down the road, a possible threat to the homeland if northern Iraq and neighboring Syria become a safe haven for al Qaeda-affiliated Islamists."

wait...that can't be right. The political and military experts right here on the DR claimed over and over and over that we had no right to get involved in Iraq when they posed no direct threat to the US, nor had they declared war on the US.

#41 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-19 03:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

History not your strong suit is it, Bucky?

#42 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2014-06-19 03:41 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

WHO ??

#43 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-06-19 03:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Eberly, special forces are their to get out in the field and paint targets for the air force to bomb ISIS. No way 100 guys can sure up 300k soldiers.

#44 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-19 03:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Is there somebody that thinks special operations troops aren't "boots on the ground"? Clearly those know-nothing's are ilinformed.

#45 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-06-19 03:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Or even 300 special forces

#46 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-19 03:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

41
You're not expecting anyone to address that honestly, are you?

#47 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-06-19 03:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Dempsey and Hagel agreed with subcommittee members that the Iraq crisis amounted to a threat to U.S. interests in the region and, down the road, a possible threat to the homeland if northern Iraq and neighboring Syria become a safe haven for al Qaeda-affiliated Islamists."

wait...that can't be right. The political and military experts right here on the DR claimed over and over and over that we had no right to get involved in Iraq when they posed no direct threat to the US, nor had they declared war on the US.

#41 | Posted by eberly at 2

GOOD ONE..of course it won't matter...when it comes to people like HAGEL...he's a useful idiot...the only time radical left wing zealots here agree or like what he says is when he's parroting the company line from the white house.

and those zealots...well., they simply don't care..there's an election to worry about !

#48 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-06-19 03:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

#44

If that's why they are there then fine. I can understand why we aren't going to announce that they are there to paint targets.

#49 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-19 03:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

why not?
#40 | POSTED BY EBERLY

My general feeling is its of little use, and only creates kidnapping targets. I would rather gather electronic intel and use drones to take out HVT's.

#50 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-06-19 04:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Combat is a mission.... but hey, no one expects rationality from an rwinger, so, carry on, soldier.
#37 | POSTED BY CORKY

Not when it comes to you........ when its not your "mission", but you better start combatting...

You aren't very aware of what the situation is like. Try reading a few books on soldiers that come out of Iraq. Or you could watch CombatRescue, that is a real eye opener.
channel.nationalgeographic.com

#51 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-06-19 04:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

History not your strong suit is it, Bucky?

#42 | POSTED BY HARRY_POWELL AT 2014-06-19 03:41 PM | FLAG: irony flag

#52 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-19 04:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

If that's why they are there then fine. I can understand why we aren't going to announce that they are there to paint targets.
#49 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Painting targets in Iraq draws fire, this has been known for awhile, using standard camera technology the enemy can locate the source of the painting........

Any good commander would put guys in high positions and look for the painting.

#53 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-06-19 04:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

The moment a hundred USA troops are sent into foreign nations as either advisers or as politically correct police, or as combat forces, every American needs to be assessed and pay a 10% war surtax that will continue until every American is home.

Putting a real dollar price tag on war in terms of money and politics is the only way to keep America protecting the USA instead of working for war mongering neocons and pols.

#54 | Posted by Robson at 2014-06-19 07:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

well robson I understand your point but there's a lot of money that needs to be spent to protect the border now that border patrol agents are giving baths, changing diapers and potty training future democrats.

AND WHERE did these guys come from ?

OH YEAH....SYRIA....

and who was going to draw a line somewhere ???>

#55 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-06-20 12:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

Let the Sunni and Shiite fight their religious war.
Keeps them busy, Let's them forget about the west.
We have done our crusades.

Support the Kurds, they have oil and so much culture that they can join the club of peaceful nations. We should be religious neutral anyway. Just some back-door business to keep in contact for influence. Stay away from religious wars and barbarians history learns us.

The rest we can manage by drones. That's nice R&D, paid by oil $ & frustrating China ;-)

#56 | Posted by free5 at 2014-06-20 06:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

Support the Kurds, they have oil and so much culture that they can join the club of peaceful nations.

Aside from a big chunk of Kurdish territory being located in NATO member country Turkey, that could work.

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-06-20 07:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

When it comes to the Middle East why are we average Americans being manipulated by pols and media into believing Jews, Arabs or ------ should be defended against each other, when not one has of them has ever worked to defend America?

#58 | Posted by Robson at 2014-06-20 08:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

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