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Thursday, June 19, 2014

Paul Waldman: You have to hand it to Dick Cheney. How many people, knowing what has happened in Iraq over the last 12 years, would dare to write an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal containing this line: "Rarely has a U.S. president been so wrong about so much at the expense of so many" -- and not be talking about George W. Bush? The man has chutzpah. ... Of all the former Bush administration officials who have emerged in the last few days to blame the deteriorating situation in Iraq on Barack Obama, one might think Cheney would be among the last.

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Cheney was the war's chief propagandist, who told the American public more spectacular falsehoods than anyone, including Bush himself. Cheney was the one who told us in 2002 that "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us."

He's the one who tried to convince us that Saddam Hussein might have helped engineer the September 11 attacks, and who said in 2005 that the insurgency in Iraq was "in its last throes." (The war went on for 6 more years.)

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The new Liz and Dick...

#1 | Posted by tiger150 at 2014-06-19 10:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

Get ready for 8 more years of the same fascism with hillary.

#2 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-06-19 10:30 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Darth Cheney believes foreigners will love us and more importantly freely provide their oil if we put a gun to their head.

#3 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-06-19 10:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

And how has obama done better nutcase?

#4 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-06-19 10:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

"You have to hand it to Dick Cheney."

hand dick what? a pistol and an ozzy osbourne or a judas priest album perhaps?

#5 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-19 10:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Get ready for 8 more years of the same fascism with hillary."

fascism has taken many shapes and forms throughout history, but it never has had a pear shape. that may very well change in 2016...

don't worry, shawn. hillary's fascism will be a kindler and gentler form-- "pantsuit fascism".

#6 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-19 10:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

People who call American government "fascism" should talk to somebody who actually lived under fascism. The fact you're free to call this country fascist without being dragged off in the night would suggest that you are not, in fact, living under fascism.

#7 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-19 11:15 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 5

SHAWN is still trying to figure out where the third syllable in "fascism" is.

#8 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-19 11:19 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"And how has obama done better nutcase?"

Under Obama our troops left Iraq. Duh!

#9 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-19 11:22 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

People who call American government "fascism" should talk to somebody who actually lived under fascism. The fact you're free to call this country fascist without being dragged off in the night would suggest that you are not, in fact, living under fascism.

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Not true. The soviet block tolerated a lot as long as you weren't popular. Once you gained prestige, then you could face prison. China under mao was pretty strict especially right after the takeover.

In ussa you are allowed to say almost anything, but you will be denied access to popular channels(tv, radio). The same propaganda model is in place as long as you don't organize; then they plant the kiddie porn, or murder you outright.

#10 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-06-19 11:26 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

First presented in their 1988 book Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media, the "propaganda model" views the private media as businesses interested in the sale of a product -- readers and audiences -- to other businesses (advertisers) rather than that of quality news to the public. Describing the media's "societal purpose", Chomsky writes, "... the study of institutions and how they function must be scrupulously ignored, apart from fringe elements or a relatively obscure scholarly literature".[1] The theory postulates five general classes of "filters" that determine the type of news that is presented in news media. These five classes are:

Ownership of the medium
Medium's funding sources
Sourcing
Flak
Anti-communism and fear ideology

The first three are generally regarded by the authors as being the most important. In versions published after the 9/11 attacks on the United States in 2001, Chomsky and Herman updated the fifth prong to instead refer to the War on Terror and antiterrorism, although they state that it operates in much the same manner.

Although the model was based mainly on the characterization of United States media, Chomsky and Herman believe the theory is equally applicable to any country that shares the basic economic structure and organizing principles which the model postulates as the cause of media biases.[2]

#11 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-06-19 11:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

The fact you're free to call this country fascist without being dragged off in the night"

how do we know that shawn wasn't dragged away and replaced by an nsa crypto-stooge pretending to be him?

#12 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-19 11:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

That's a good question. We should ask him questions about Chris Hedges and Noam Chomsky that only the real Shawn would know.

#13 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-19 11:44 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

You are both obfuscating.

Don't waste my time.

#14 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-06-19 12:11 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

#9 Nice usual deflection Danni. He was talking about relations with foreign contries where Obama led us to believe if he was elected the Middle East would love us. It has become worse under Obama.

#15 | Posted by fishpaw at 2014-06-19 12:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Rarely has a U.S. president been so wrong about so much at the expense of so many"

Yet we had two in a row!

May You Live in Interesting Times- Chinese proverb

#16 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-06-19 12:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

Cheney is repsonsible for killing thousands of American soldiers. Sending them to war based on lies with no other plan than "wait to be showered with flowers and chocolates" is unforgivable. If he had lined them up against a wall and shot them himself, he'd be no more guilty than he already is.

This man is the lowest form of human filth and anyone who makes excuses for him is a dirtbag. I only wish there were some way Dick Cheney could be forced to go bird hunting with another, drunken Dick Cheney.

#17 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-19 12:35 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Darth Cheney believes foreigners will love us and more importantly freely provide their oil if we put a gun to their head.

#3 | Posted by nutcase

How is obummer's love working for the world now?

#18 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-19 12:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

#7 | Posted by rcade

Good one rca.

#19 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-19 12:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

Under Obama our troops left Iraq. Duh!

#9 | Posted by danni

How is that working? Duh!

#20 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-19 12:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

"You are both obfuscating"

no. just entertaining myself. i think you are onto something, like an ant jumping onto a very large piece of rock candy and taking a few test licks.

rcade, on the other hand has skin in the game, being an obama-ite and all.

me? i am just a kid. i am here to ensure that all the older folks who post on a daily/hourly.minute-by-minute basis cringe when they think of america's future.

i fully expect to someday see dancing bananas painted on the outer doors of national interment camps...

#21 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-19 12:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

Rcade,

We get to pick between a ------ or a Wussie, but they both work diligently for their Corporate Bosses. Our police forces are being militarized. While their primary targets are Liberal protestors, it has not yet risen to Hitler's level, but all the pieces are in place, including prisons. There is no denying that we still have more rights than a WWII German (unless we're arbitrarily declared a terrorist). But, what is Fascism but the subservience of Government of, by and for the people to Government of, by and for the Corporation?

#22 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-06-19 01:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

#7

Depends on what side of the fence you are on.

#23 | Posted by fresno500 at 2014-06-19 01:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's nice that the Wall Street Journal lets an unidicted " War Criminal" voice his opinion.

#24 | Posted by MisterChris at 2014-06-19 04:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

And how has obama done better nutcase?

#4 | Posted by Shawn

Well for starters, he hasn't lied america into any 3 trillion dollar wars. So he's no prize, but he's still doing WAYYYY better than bush.

#25 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-06-19 04:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

#10 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-06-19 11:26 AM
Astoundingly ignorant; a great symbol for the GOTP in general.

#26 | Posted by e1g1 at 2014-06-19 08:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

"He was talking about relations with foreign contries where Obama led us to believe if he was elected the Middle East would love us. "

I missed that campaign promise so if you could supply a link.....it would be muchly appreciated. I'd have to say that anyone who thought that is just stupid.

#27 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-20 07:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

"How is that working? Duh!"

Pretty damn well for our troops. They are out of harms way, living with their families, hopefully enjoying their lives as they should have been doing for the last decade. How did that decade work out for the troops who never came home or who came home shattered, and what does anyone have to show for their sacrifice? That you still have the willingness to post here pretending some moral or intellectual superiority is pathetic, take responsibility for the carnage you and your cohorts brought about, supported, applauded.

#28 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-20 07:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

I missed that campaign promise so if you could supply a link.....it would be muchly appreciated. I'd have to say that anyone who thought that is just stupid.

#27 | Posted by danni

I think you just called out everyone that voted for this goof.

#29 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-20 07:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

Is Danni claiming she didn't buy into hope and change, too? Tony tried that load yesterday as well.
The best part is she wants to pretend that in order for it to be a big deal it needed to be a campaign promise. The guy made promises left and right and you sycophants took them hook, line, and sinker. Then, when they didn't come true, or he did the opposite, you took a full serving and asked for seconds.

#30 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-06-20 08:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

"I missed that campaign promise so if you could supply a link....."

it was more of a promise all of you cheerleaders made for him.

you all insisted that our standing in the world was better the minute Obama was elected. Before he had even announced a cabinet, inaugurated, etc...the USA was going to be loved in the ME.

now....I laughed at that and dismissed it as it was nothing but cheerleading.......I will admit that I "hoped" that we would be better off in the ME due to some valuable hindsight left by GWB. For the most part, I think we are better off.

Does that mean we can continue "nation building" in crapholes like Iraq?

I guess we have to as it appears that is the intention of both sides of the aisle.

#31 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-20 09:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Amazing Chutzpah"

This makes it sound like a good thing. ???

#32 | Posted by TheTom at 2014-06-20 09:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

Astoundingly ignorant; a great symbol for the GOTP in general.

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Ad hominum is not an argument. Make a real one or blow away windbag.

#33 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-06-20 01:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's nice that the Wall Street Journal lets an unidicted " War Criminal" voice his opinion.

#24 | Posted by MisterChris

I didn't know he was convicted.

#34 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-20 05:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well for starters, he hasn't lied america into any 3 trillion dollar wars.

#25 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

Well for starters, he has lied america into a 6 trillion dollar BS renewable energy crap.

He has run up the debt to over $17.8 trillion with 2 years to go.

#35 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-20 05:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Here you go ddan.

www.breitbart.com

#36 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-20 05:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

He has run up the debt to over $17.8 trillion with 2 years to go.
#35 | Posted by Sniper

Turns out that's mostly borrowing to pay the bills that have come due for what his predecessor did.

I suppose you'd be happier if he raised taxes to pay for the bills that have come due?

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-06-20 08:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

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