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Thursday, June 19, 2014

After Vice President Dick Cheney and his daughter Liz, a failed Senate candidate in Wyoming, wrote a Wall Street Journal commentary blasting President Barack Obama's policies in regard to Iraq, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid gave this response on the Senate floor: "If there's one thing this country does not need, is that we should be taking advice from Dick Cheney on wars. Being on the wrong side of Dick Cheney is being on the right side of history." The Cheneys have set up Alliance For A Strong America, a new non-profit devoted to addressing "national security failures." (No, not his.)

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Well if Harry Reed says it's so , it must be so. snark

#1 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-18 03:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Well if Harry Reed says it's so , it must be so. snark"

It's so. Millions of Americans agree with him. Dick Cheney should go away and never be heard from again.

#2 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-18 04:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

#2 | POSTED BY DANNI

You can always choose to ignore the Cheney's but they have earned the right to be heard, same as you or me.

#3 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-18 04:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

According to that "logic", we should all be listening to Charlie Manson.

#4 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2014-06-18 04:21 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

Cheney 1994 explains why invading Iraq won't work.
www.youtube.com

#5 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2014-06-18 04:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

#4 | POSTED BY HARRY_POWELL

Having an issue with that first amendment thing harry?

#6 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-18 04:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Never trust something that doesn't have a heart beat for days but doesn't die.

#7 | Posted by Tor at 2014-06-18 04:42 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

#5 | POSTED BY 503JC69

Interesting tape, I hadn't seen that before.

#8 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-18 04:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

I suspect paneo will claim this interview was "pre-9/11" and thus irrelevant since "The World Changed on 9/11" and all that.

Fifty Years to Judge

#9 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-06-18 05:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

#9 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES

I have never supported boots on the ground in any Muslim country. The US will never have the stomach for that kind of offensive, not now and obviously not then. Cheney was right the first time.

#10 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-18 05:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

You can always choose to ignore the Cheney's but they have earned the right to be heard, same as you or me.

#3 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-18 04:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

We have the right to speak. There is no such thing as the right to be heard.

In fact, we'd have every right to facepalm Cheney every time he opens his mouth even if he weren't an extreme failure who directly contributed to thousands of needless American deaths.

#11 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-18 06:08 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

"Having an issue with that first amendment thing harry?"

#6 | Posted by paneocon

Since when do criminals "deserve to be heard"?

#12 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2014-06-18 06:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I have never supported boots on the ground in any Muslim country."

#10 | Posted by paneocon

Did you think Kuwait was Christian? Bwahahaha.

#13 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2014-06-18 06:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

You can always choose to ignore the Cheney's but they have earned the right to be heard, same as you or me.

What did Cheney do to "earn" the right to be heard? He's a failed vice president who lied the country into a disastrous war that cost America far too much in lives and money. He earned the right to be laughed off the stage any time he speaks.

#14 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-19 11:28 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 4

What did Cheney do to "earn" the right to be heard? He's a failed vice president who lied the country into a disastrous war that cost America far too much in lives and money. He earned the right to be laughed off the stage any time he speaks.

#14 | POSTED BY RCADE

As a general rule I would listen to someone that has tried something and failed, if they can show they have learned something. Clinton, the Bushs all have something to say that is thoughtful about the office they held, and are privy to information that makes their PoV worthy of being listened too.

I would even listen to Obama regarding his failed presidency.

Failing doesn't make someone not worthy of being listened too.

We have this terrible streak in us to preclude anyone that has ever failed at something, from being President. Yet the most qualified people I have ever met in the business world have failed at least once.

#15 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-06-19 11:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

He was right 4 hearts ago.

Once you got to Iraq and took it over and took down Saddam Hussein's government, then what are you going to put in its place? That's a very volatile part of the world. And if you take down the central government in Iraq, you could easily end up seeing pieces of Iraq fly off. Part of it the Syrians would like to have, the west. Part of eastern Iraq the Iranians would like to claim. Fought over for eight years. In the north, you've got the Kurds. And if the Kurds spin loose and join with Kurds in Turkey, then you threaten the territorial integrity of Turkey. It's a quagmire if you go that far and try to take over Iraq

Cheney in 1994

#16 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-06-19 11:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

"As a general rule I would listen to someone that has tried something and failed, if they can show they have learned something."

He doesn't even acknowledge that he's a failure so if he's learned anything, you will never find out because he would never be honest enough to admit as much.

Also, he's not simply someone who failed. He didn't start a business that went under. He lied us into a war knowing full well it would costs lives. He's a demented lowlife.

What I've learned for him is how pathetic the American people have become. That that piece of crap has never faced any sort of criminal charges and still parades around as a respectable policy expert is a stain on us all.

#17 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-19 12:43 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 5

I would even listen to Obama regarding his failed presidency.

#15 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-06-19 11

I guess you'd have to wait until he's failed to do that.

Would you like to apply the Bush/Cheney fifty-year rule here? because, you know, that's what they're doing.

#18 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-19 12:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

#14 | POSTED BY RCADE

Liberal fascism on display, sad

#19 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-19 12:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

As a general rule I would listen to someone that has tried something and failed, if they can show they have learned something.

#15 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 20

Would you also give a fair hearing to someone whose failure killed your pet, lost you your job, and maimed your wife? That's the class of behavior Cheney has engaged in.

Your definition of failure is politically self-serving. Even at his least effective Obama hasn't come anywhere near taking from you and your what Bush and Cheney did.

Your perceptions aren't valid. You don't try to make them valid.

#20 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-19 12:50 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Put more bluntly, you want to rehabilitate Cheney because he's saying something nasty concerning your bête noir. More likely, you never thought Cheney needed rehabilitation at all.

Here's my idea: We all agree to go back into Iraq the instant you post your enlistment papers for us all to see on these internets.

Otherwise I don't want to hear about your "fairness". Fairness is just another club in your hands in these matters.

#21 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-19 12:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bremer, Wolfowitz and Shrub belong in the Hague, charged with War Crimes.

#22 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-06-19 01:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

You can always choose to ignore the Cheney's but they have earned the right to be heard, same as you or me.

#3 | Posted by paneocon

What about spending 3 trillion on the worst foreign policy disaster in american history gives you "the right to be heard?"

It actually does the opposite.

It means only MORONS would listen to anything you have to say now.

#23 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-06-19 01:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

"You can always choose to ignore the Cheney's but they have earned the right to be heard, same as you or me."

that's why god also invented asses and bestowed upon them a lack of self awareness and the most lovely of voices...

www.youtube.com

#24 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-19 01:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

" but they have earned the right to be heard"

They've earned the right to be pummeled with rotten tomatoes, that's all.

#25 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-06-19 01:57 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I don't like to admit it, but Cheney brings out the 'hater' in me. I like to think I don't hate anyone. But damn, Cheney is just a malevolent, dishonest and arrogant piece of trash. He is personally responsible for the deaths of thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of other people throughout the world. I do hate the guy. He does belong in prison.

#26 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-06-19 02:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

#16 | Posted by kanrei

Knowing he said that, one must suppose there were other reasons involved for him supporting a war, later

1. De-stabilization of the ME as an end-game... "terrorists" will have more to deal with at home in the ME than to bother us directly, especially if their own homelands are ablaze

2. A nice long-term conflict, where we always have the option of retreat, makes for a nice buffet for contractors. Tricky Dick II's version of Trickle Down.

#27 | Posted by apparatchik at 2014-06-19 02:09 PM | Reply | Flag:


#14 | POSTED BY RCADE

Liberal fascism on display, sad

#19 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-19 12:47 PM

Liberal Fascism? Is that like Muslim Atheism?

#28 | Posted by DRJIMMIES at 2014-06-19 02:17 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#1 Keep defending the indefensible, pan. It's what you do so well.

#29 | Posted by midiman at 2014-06-19 02:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Harry Reid is on a roll...

Harry Reid Declares Koch Brothers A Cult

www.huffingtonpost.com

#30 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-19 02:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Liberal fascism". Lol. Word salad. It's like teaching a bird to talk.

#31 | Posted by midiman at 2014-06-19 02:53 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 2

"Liberal Fascism?"

Authoritarian-liberalism best describes the pro-surveillance, pro-drug war, pro-NSA, pro-incarceration "progressives".

#32 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-06-19 02:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

from near the top...

Dick Cheney should go away and never be heard from again.
#2 | Posted by danni

...totally agree...

followed by...

You can always choose to ignore the Cheney's but they have earned the right to be heard, same as you or me.
#3 | Posted by paneocon

...no...he is no longer in office, we listened to him and his kind
for 8 grueling years, longer even, since he served under Reagan as
well...he possibly has done more than any other leader/person of import
in
bringing down this nation to the spot it resides in now...I've heard more than enough of the man...the man is an unmitigated failure as a
politician and a pompous blowhard of an @ss... goodbye & good riddens.

#33 | Posted by earthmuse at 2014-06-19 03:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes, nulli. I'm sure that makes perfect sense to you. I don't really read these threads much, but I'm sure you were as vehement in your criticism of those same things when the "other side" was initiating and implementing them. BTW ... I especially love your use of "pro incarceration" in reference to liberals in light of the whole history of Guantanamo.. Kinda sorta makes you dismissable tool. Just sayin'.

#34 | Posted by midiman at 2014-06-19 03:08 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Best describes emo progs.

www.quickmeme.com

www.angryblackladychronicles.c
om

#35 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-19 03:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

"but I'm sure you were as vehement in your criticism of those same things when the "other side" was initiating and implementing them"

You would surely be wrong, as anyone familiar with my posts could tell you.

#36 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-06-19 03:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

" I especially love your use of "pro incarceration" in reference to liberals in light of the whole history of Guantanamo.. Kinda sorta makes you dismissable tool."

Both parties are pro-incarceration, as I have said many times. Kinda makes you a dismissable fool.

#37 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-06-19 03:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Nevada can be proud that they re-elected Harry Alzheimer's Reid

#38 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-06-19 03:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

You forget, MIDIMAN, that they claim, "both partys are the same".... which makes it so much easier to be against, well, everything.

#39 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-19 03:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

"but I'm sure you were as vehement in your criticism of those same things when the "other side" was initiating and implementing them"

you're right. you haven't read these threads much.

Nulli takes a lot of flack from leftist cheerleaders because he expects (perhaps too optimistically) a more progressive stance from the democrats.

But he's not a rightie, which you are assuming.

#40 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-19 03:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

"You forget, MIDIMAN, that they claim, "

Who is "they"? Name names.

#41 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-06-19 03:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Authoritarian-liberalism best describes the pro-surveillance, pro-drug war, pro-NSA, pro-incarceration "progressives".

#32 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

The reality that Obama inherited the status quo cannot be dismissed. Since 2008 there has never been a coordinated, LOUD majority of progressives willing to fight the conservatives over the status of American society, nor has any President faced opposition on everything, even the policies the right supported until he became POTUS.

It's wonderful that today's right is all aghast that Obama is actually using some of the powers and institutions the GOP enshrined with their Patriot Acts and War on Terror and the subsequent abdication to the imperial presidency. I was never naive enough to think that Obama would abandon the things perceived to have kept America domestically attack-free since 9/11. I just trusted that he would be a far better steward and a more honest broker than were W and the GOP.

#42 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-06-19 03:37 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"I was never naive enough to think that Obama would abandon the things perceived to have kept America domestically attack-free since 9/11"

So you didn't believe him when he promised to "restore core constitutional liberties". I guess he plans to keep that promise in his next term.

#44 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-06-19 03:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

What did Cheney do to "earn" the right to be heard? He's a failed vice president

#14 | Posted by rcade

??????????????????????????????
????

#45 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-19 03:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

They've earned the right to be pummeled with rotten tomatoes, that's all.

#25 | Posted by nullifidian

That would be a crime on your part nul.

#46 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-19 03:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

So you didn't believe him when he promised to "restore core constitutional liberties". I guess he plans to keep that promise in his next term.

#44 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Actually, no. Anyone remotely cognizant of the American public and it's 15 second attention span should have reached the same conclusion. The GOP has played the fear card for decades (leading to the very constitutional abuses you bemoan) and you thought that Obama could return sanity and reason within 8 years against a unified rightwing flush with unlimited money and a zero-sum ethic?

FWIW I almost always agree with the things you say. But I also see no practical way for anything to dramatically change until the PUBLIC forces these changes on Washington. And as long as they keep sending neanderthal Republican troglodytes to Congress and money flows unabated towards the sources of the problem, we have to make the best with what we have.

Trust me, I want what you want, but it isn't going to happen by blaming the fickle left when the right is intransigent and nihilistic.

#47 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-06-19 03:53 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 4

Tony lapped up hope and change like no other poster here, and now he's claiming he didn't believe Obama when he said he'd restore constitutional liberties...

Honestly, who in the ^%#} do you think you're fooling? If you were humble enough, you'd be mortified.

#48 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-06-19 03:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

"the right is intransigent and nihilistic."

vs

"the fickle left"

funny.....really really funny.

#49 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-19 03:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

"unified rightwing flush with unlimited money and a zero-sum ethic?"

unified? really?

and the dems don't have cash?

goodness gracious.

#50 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-19 04:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

"you thought that Obama could return sanity and reason within 8 years against a unified rightwing flush with unlimited money and a zero-sum ethic?"

Nobody forced Obama to appoint banksters to his cabinet. Nobody forced him to appoint a loony drug warrior to the DEA. Nobody forced him to sign authoritarian pieces of legislation like the Patriot Act.

#51 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-06-19 04:01 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#51

what do you expect, Nulli.

The left is nothing except penniless and fickle.

#52 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-19 04:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

"flush with unlimited money "

Hillary gets 200k a pop for chatting with Goldman-sachs and the Carlyle Group.

#53 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-06-19 04:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hillary gets 200k a pop for chatting with Goldman-sachs and the Carlyle Group.

#53 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Or $23K a minute for your daughter.......
www.politico.com

#54 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-06-19 04:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

#51

I'm not absolving Obama for anything that he's done. The record will reflect what is and what was.

The choice in 2008 was between him and Hillary and at that time (and yet today) I still trust his judgement over hers and infinitely more than any Republican presidential candidate in this century short of Huntsman.

Nulli, the moneymen control our government and it didn't begin with Obama and it certainly wasn't going to end on his watch either.

#55 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-06-19 04:21 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Oh my. Hope and Change sure lost its' luster.

#56 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-06-19 04:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

Personally, the fact that probably close to 90 percent of the country sees Cheney as scum is enough vindication Obama needs. While our priorities have differed, I am pretty happy with the tone that Obama has set, despite the most vicious political opposition since the mid-1800's. Future presidents will be better off because of Obama, much like Carter.

#57 | Posted by bocaink at 2014-06-19 10:57 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Cheney should thank his lucky stars he hasn't been forced to testify before the Senate regarding Iraq.

#58 | Posted by Tor at 2014-06-19 11:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

it doesn't matter to me what either said for my point...

harry reid runs his mouth on the senate floor..

gee guess who can't be held liable or even held to the truth on the senate floor ?

#59 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-06-20 12:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

and of course these threads are all over the cyber world...so much easier to blame cheney and bush than talk or even care for that matter, what obama does.....

#60 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-06-20 12:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

'we listened to him and his kind
for 8 grueling years, longer even, since he served under Reagan as
well'

Reagan? Since Nixon, you could say.

#62 | Posted by FlyUntied at 2014-06-20 12:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Dear Harry,
Let's get together and talk about this, how about a hunting trip this weekend?
Truly, Dick

#63 | Posted by FlyUntied at 2014-06-20 12:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

sure ...let's READ SOME HARRY REID BABBLE>...

"The decisions by the Supreme Court have left the American people with the status quo in which one side's billionaires are pitted against the other side's billionaires," he said this morning on the Senate floor. "Except one side doesn't have any billionaires."

THIS liar continues to lie and defraud the country with LIES like this one on top of ALL THE LIES he spewed about Mitt and taxes....and THEN there's the reason he is RARELY seen on tv..

when he steps out of the little space on the senate floor that he has contaminated...he's HELD ACCOUNTABLE for these LIES !!!!!.....

and yet the real problem, as always...people don't know OR don't care that he's a liar.

so mock anyone you want HARRY.....your words mean absolutely NOTHING...

#64 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-06-20 02:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Millions of Americans agree with him."

Probably the same 35% of Americans that agree with Commissar Barackus....and you.

#65 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-06-20 02:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Nulli, the moneymen control our government and it didn't begin with Obama and it certainly wasn't going to end on his watch either.

#55 | Posted by tonyroma

Well, start pulling the tent stakes. Tony says the Big Show was a ruse.

#66 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-20 02:15 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

"Well, start pulling the tent stakes. Tony says the Big Show was a ruse."

I think he might FINALLY be leaving this three-ring circus and moving his act over to the Hillary Show with Corky.

#67 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-06-20 02:32 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

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