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Tuesday, June 17, 2014

The Canada government has agreed to let Enbridge build a Northern Gateway pipeline, subject to 209 conditions recommended by the National Energy Board and further talks with aboriginal communities. The decision was met with strong opposition. Enbridge wants to build the pipeline from Bruderheim, Alta., to Kitimat, B.C. Prime Minister Stephen Harper told members of Parliament, "We establish independent expert panels that follow a public and scientific process. When we've received the report from that process, we will make a decision obviously based on the facts in the not too distant future."

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NDP Leader Tom Mulcair called the decision "folly" and said Conservative MPs from British Columbia are "hiding under their desks right now" because the pipeline is already an election issue in the province.

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About time. Now the real screaming can begin.

#1 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-17 05:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Terrible idea, like any other that increases the consumption of oil.

#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-06-17 05:57 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

They are naming it the Thomas Steyer Pipeline?

#3 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-17 05:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Only 209 conditions, and talks with aboriginal communities.
Translation ... it won't be built in my lifetime

#4 | Posted by SammyAZ_RI at 2014-06-17 06:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

"...it won't be built in my lifetime"

I doubt they'll start actual building before 2017 or so. Gonna be an interesting debate.

#5 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-17 07:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

OMG! If they build their pipeline we'll lose thousands of jobs building the Keystone (about 3,000 temporary jobs). We better tell Obama to approve the Keystone to save all those great jobs and our economy.

#6 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-17 08:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Native's are not going to let this through.

#7 | Posted by Tor at 2014-06-17 08:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

This is a bluff to scare stupid Americans into pushing for Keystone. Think about where the refineries actually are.

#8 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-17 08:49 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Think about where the refineries actually are."

Asia.

#9 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-17 09:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Asia."

Louisiana and S. Texas. Sure they could transport raw crude across the ocean and then refine it there but that would be a very costly and wasteful endeavor and they don't have the refineries that can take the crude that comes from the tar sands and easily turn it into the marketable products the refineries in LA and TX can.

#10 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-17 09:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

"...they could transport raw crude across the ocean and then refine it there but that would be a very costly and wasteful endeavor..."

Um, where the heck do you think the US gets all that OPEC crude oil from? Space?

#11 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-17 10:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

The largest oil refinery in the world is in India. Second largest is in South Korea. Third is in Venezuela. Fourth and fifth are again in South Korea. Sixth is in Singapore.

Then you start getting into Texas and Louisiana.

#12 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-17 10:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

OK guys, let's wait and see what happens. My prediction, they don't want to transport oil sands crude "tar" across the ocean because to push it through any pipe it has to be heated. You really think they are going to heat it enough to transport it across Canada and then on to India or China? Riight!

#13 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-17 10:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

"...they don't want to transport oil sands crude "tar" across the ocean because to push it through any pipe it has to be heated."

You don't know how it works, do you? They don't heat it, for one thing.

It's not "tar" either, which would be a second important point.

#14 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-17 11:25 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Gad, what some people don't know about oil is amazing! I just finished working for a year on data from the Eagle Ford Shale Project for Conoco - and THAT oil (NGL) is coming out of the ground almost refined. Of course, the vapors and water contamination are damaging and killing people - but what the hey! We need cheap oil, right? Tar sands oil in a pipeline or railcar is just, basically, a bomb waiting to explode.

#15 | Posted by larry609 at 2014-06-18 12:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

"We need cheap oil, right?"

That is certainly the driving force behind it.

#16 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-18 12:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

.... ""We need cheap oil, right? That is certainly the driving force behind it"

**** Where Is This "CHEAP OIL"? There's more OIL available now in the world than there ever was.There's a GLUT on the Market of OIL...Yet OIL is Also More EXPENSIVE than it's ever been.Guess Who's Getting SCREWED and by Whom...then try to Figure Out why the US Govt is Aiding & Abetting these Monopolistic OIL CROOKS!

p.s. Very Angry Natives Vs.The Northern Gateway Pipeline may see a replay of The Battle of Little Bighorn!

#17 | Posted by AntiCadillac at 2014-06-18 06:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

"There's more OIL available now in the world than there ever was."

Yup. And so is the demand. All that oil in the Athabasca sand is going to get to the world's insatiable oil market one way or another.

And just as a historical note the Little Bighorn was pretty much the end of the Sioux.

#18 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-18 07:27 AM | Reply | Flag:

If it were going to be refined in USA, some would go to midwest and other refineries.

But none is. It's all going to tankers as crude and then to the highest bidders.

#19 | Posted by 88120rob at 2014-06-18 07:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

I can fault Canada as they have been patient for over five years and there is no indication that the US will ever pull the trigger. Canada wants to sell their oil so a pipe goes to where the buyers will be.

#20 | Posted by MSgt at 2014-06-18 12:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

can=can't

#21 | Posted by MSgt at 2014-06-18 04:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

OK guys, let's wait and see what happens. My prediction, they don't want to transport oil sands crude "tar" across the ocean because to push it through any pipe it has to be heated. You really think they are going to heat it enough to transport it across Canada and then on to India or China? Riight!

#13 | Posted by danni

Nonsense danni.Its viscosity is lowered through use of dilutants like naphtha and Baby seal oil.

#22 | Posted by Scotty at 2014-06-18 07:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Its viscosity is lowered through use of dilutants like naphtha..."

The pipeline concept is pretty clever that way. The existing NG pipeline brings gas to the coast where they liquefy it for transport. Then the residuals from the liquefaction process get piped back to Alberta where they use it to dilute the oil so they can pump it though the new pipeline to the port.

I don't think the oil pipeline will be much of a worry but I wonder about that 20" pipe full of solvents on the way back east.

#23 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-18 08:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

"There's more OIL available now in the world than there ever was."

Yup. And so is the demand. All that oil in the Athabasca sand is going to get to the world's insatiable oil market one way or another.

And just as a historical note the Little Bighorn was pretty much the end of the Sioux.

**** The demand for OIL is great only because the Oil Company Owned "Governments" have so greedily blocked Alternative Energies!

p.s. There are now more Native Blood Indians in the USA and Canada than there ever was plus they have way more Political and Financial Power! Also Gen.Custer and his genocidal ilk (think Big Oil) are viewed world wide as being Low Life Scum Bags!

#24 | Posted by AntiCadillac at 2014-06-19 02:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

#6 | Posted by danni

Seems you suffer from being near-sighted.

- pipe line operation and repair
- oil refinery workers
- people to handle and ship finished refinery products
- don't forget about all the propane we won't have
- that will all be going to china
- oh, did i forget about the taxes on all the above?

Go down-town and buy a good pair of glasses.

#25 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-19 10:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

Think about where the refineries actually are.

#8 | Posted by danni

so they build a pipeline from Alberta (tar sands area to Birtish Columbia (the sea coast). Where is the refinery on that route? Answer, china. Lousiana isn't even close, in fact it's the wrong direction.

#26 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-19 10:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

#13 | Posted by danni

They will do a rough process the crude before it enters the pipe. They will not pump the 'tar-sand' into the pipe just like they do not put the 'tar-sand' into a railroad tanker.

#27 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-19 10:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

#6 | Posted by danni

Seems you suffer from being near-sighted.

- pipe line operation and repair
- oil refinery workers
- people to handle and ship finished refinery products
- don't forget about all the propane we won't have
- that will all be going to china
- oh, did i forget about the taxes on all the above?

Go down-town and buy a good pair of glasses.

#25 | Posted by Sniper at

SNIPER...you're forgetting your talking to liberals who supported the government takeover of GENERAL MOTORS....and you know what their main reason was??/ ALL of the OTHER businesses effected ...JUST LIKE you list here...

it's an old and familiar story...much like they way they 'do' unemployment figures.....one way for THEM and another way for US...GUARANTEE you that if this were a conservative idea, they would have DOUBLE the amount of other businesses affected by this..

#28 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-06-19 10:54 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I MEAN...if it were a liberal idea...of course...

#29 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-06-19 10:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

Damn, I firgot about gobrtnment/union motors. Did you see how many recalls they are going to pay for? Over 6 million cars have been recalled.

#30 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-19 12:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

so they build a pipeline from Alberta (tar sands area to Birtish Columbia (the sea coast). Where is the refinery on that route? Answer, china. Lousiana isn't even close, in fact it's the wrong direction.

#26 | Posted by Sniper

I believe that there are several upgraders being proposed by groups including the Natives(Indian tribes}to be built in Kitamat,B.C.

#31 | Posted by Scotty at 2014-06-19 02:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

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