Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Tuesday, June 17, 2014

Jonathan Merritt, Religion News Service: "We're Christians," Hobby Lobby's president Steve Green proclaims, "and we run our business on Christian principles." That is music to the ears of many conservative Christians, who rallied around Hobby Lobby when the retail chain argued at the Supreme Court that ObamaCare's contraception mandate unlawfully burdened their religious beliefs. But a closer look at Hobby Lobby's actual business practices reveals this claim to be as hollow as a flute. Turn over just about any trinket in a Hobby Lobby store and you'll find a gold oval stamped with "Made in China," a country that is one of the worst offenders of human dignity, unborn infant life, and economic justice anywhere in the world.

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Slave labor is much cheaper and Jesus spoke about how to treat your slaves in the Bible so Hobby Lobby is just following well know Christian traditions.

#1 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-17 11:02 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

"But a closer look at Hobby Lobby's ACTUAL business practices"
That is all that needs to be said

Mitt Romney and Hobby Lobby, both worship the same God ..$$$$

Thanks or posting this Dave

#2 | Posted by SammyAZ_RI at 2014-06-17 11:03 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 5

"Turn over just about any trinket in a Hobby Lobby store and you'll find a gold oval stamped with "Made in China," a country that is one of the worst offenders of human dignity, unborn infant life, and economic justice anywhere in the world."

Money means more than Christ to today's Fauxtians who only use the Bible to act morally superior.

#3 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-17 11:11 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Slave labor is much cheaper and Jesus spoke about how to treat your slaves in the Bible so Hobby Lobby is just following well know Christian traditions.

#1 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-17 11:02 AM | Reply | Flag

Good lord it's amazing how little you know. I just found three articles where Hobby Lobby raised their minimum wage to $14.00 a hour.

#4 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-17 11:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

This is the kind of stuff that makes you clowns inconsequential. 364 days a year you stuff your trunk with everything made in China and as soon as a company with Christian owners who sell Chinese goods gets your attention and it's all of a sudden they are the height of hypocrisy to do business with China.

#5 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-17 11:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

you stuff your trunk with everything made in China

My drugs are grown locally...I mean there are no drugs in my trunk.

#6 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-06-17 11:17 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

of course, the biggest whiners show up to whine about Hobby Lobby.

yeah, Hobby Lobby is wrong about the contraception thing. Company after company have policies that irk other people. welcome to America.

they compete in retail by importing good from other countries....welcome to America.

people whine about it....welcome to America.

#7 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-17 11:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

Hey K. Great to see you!!

#8 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-17 11:20 AM | Reply | Flag:

=D

#9 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-06-17 11:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

#5 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-17 11:16 AM | Reply | Flag: Clueless

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#10 | Posted by Dave at 2014-06-17 11:29 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 6

Hobby Lobby reminds us why for-profit businesses should resist calling themselves "Christian." The free market is messy and complicated and riddled with hypocrisy. Conducting business in today's complex global economy almost ensures one will engage in behavior that is at least morally suspect from a Biblical standpoint.

Good point.

#11 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-06-17 11:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

Welcome Kanrei hope all is well with you, or at least getting better.

Seems a pretty weak argument against them being christian because they sell stuff made in China.

That said I am pretty sure a corporation can't be christian. It is a nice marketing gimmick though.

#12 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2014-06-17 11:34 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Good lord it's amazing how little you know. I just found three articles where Hobby Lobby raised their minimum wage to $14.00 a hour.

#4 | POSTED BY DALTON AT 2014-06-17 11:13 AM | FLAG:

Is that what they pay the workers in China?

#13 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-17 11:46 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 4

"Seems a pretty weak argument against them being christian because they sell stuff made in China."

If they didn't make such a huge deal of running their business on "christian principals" to the point of demanding special treatment based on those principals, nobody would be calling out their hypocrisy.

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#14 | Posted by Dave at 2014-06-17 11:48 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 7

#10 | POSTED BY DAVE AT 2014-06-17 11:29 AM | FLAG: MINDLESS

#15 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-17 11:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

#14 - So newsworthy!

#16 | Posted by schmanch at 2014-06-17 12:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Is that what they pay the workers in China?

#13 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-17 11:46 AM | Reply | Flag

They have employees in China?

#17 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-17 12:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

#17 | Posted by Dalton

Your lack of reading/comprehension skills is second only to paneocon.

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#18 | Posted by Dave at 2014-06-17 12:10 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

#14 | POSTED BY DAVE

Dave you would not even know they were christian if the ACA hadn't forced them to be placed in the position of violating their religion by paying for abortions. They were happy creating jobs and growing their business before you clowns stuffed the cost of baby killing down their throats.

#19 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-17 12:10 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 2

Your lack of reading/comprehension skills is second only to paneocon.

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#18 | Posted by Dave at 2014-06-17 12:10 PM | Reply | Flag

So, do they have employees in China? If not why would they need to pay chinese workers?

#20 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-17 12:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Many companies in the U.S. have been held to account for the treatment the employees of their suppliers were subjected to in China and other nations so it seems perfectly legitimate to call Hobby Lobby hypcritical when they buy most of their merchandise from a nation known for forced abortions while objecting to allowing their health insurance provider to include birth control in the package offered to their employees.

#21 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-17 12:21 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 4

"Many companies in the U.S. have been held to account for the treatment the employees of their suppliers were subjected to in China..."

Do you have a link? I don't immediately doubt you I've just never heard of any such punishment.

#22 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-17 12:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

#20 | Posted by Dalton

I was going to point out your folly but Danni pretty well covered it.

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#23 | Posted by Dave at 2014-06-17 12:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Many companies in the U.S. have been held to account for the treatment the employees of their suppliers were subjected to in China and other nations"

really? what consequences have American companies faced for this?

Apple?
Walmart?
Nike?

#24 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-17 12:27 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"really? what consequences have American companies faced for this?
Apple?
Walmart?
Nike?"

They lost any hope of ever claiming to operate on Christian principles, just like Hobby Lobby. Only difference, those other companies don't care about that, haven't claimed that, Hobby Lobby has.

#25 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-17 12:29 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

"Do you have a link? I don't immediately doubt you I've just never heard of any such punishment."

I never claimed they got punished but they weren't happy about the bad publicity they received.

#26 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-17 12:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Danni, those companies don't care so they haven't been held accountable for anything.

I didn't realize you were narrowing this to companies claiming "Christian" based, such as Hobby Lobby.

#27 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-17 12:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

I was going to point out your folly but Danni pretty well covered it.

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#23 | Posted by Dave at 2014-06-17 12:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

She didn't say anything about paying chinese employees? She didn't even mention her dumb comment about not paying their employees a fair wage? You guys simply make a stupid comment that doesn't even apply and then spend the rest of the thread moving the target.

#28 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-17 12:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

They lost any hope of ever claiming to operate on Christian principles, just like Hobby Lobby. Only difference, those other companies don't care about that, haven't claimed that, Hobby Lobby has.

#25 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-17 12:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

Translation: I just pulled the "fact" that these companies have been punished for treatment of Chinese workers out of your _____?

#29 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-17 12:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

#28 | Posted by Dalton

Geez, you're dense.

The only target moving that took place was your erroneous interpretation of Danni's slave labor comment.

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#30 | Posted by Dave at 2014-06-17 12:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Dave you would not even know they were christian if the ACA hadn't forced them to be placed in the position of violating their religion"

Exactly.
Capitalizing on Child Labor, Deplorable Working Conditions, and Dismal Wages doesn't seem to be "violating their religion" one iota ------ and that's awfully convenient.

#31 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-06-17 12:48 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

#28 | Posted by Dalton

And your stupidity just gets deeper.

Danni never claimed (as "fact" or anything else) that these companies were punished. And the "fact" of the matter is that all three of these companies have attempted to influence their suppliers with respect to labor practices because of the bad publicity.

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#32 | Posted by Dave at 2014-06-17 12:52 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Dave, I'm not the one that claimed falsely that "hobby lobby hires cheap labor". I'm not the one that claimed companies have been punished for the treatment of Chinese workers.

#33 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-17 12:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Many companies in the U.S. have been held to account for the treatment the employees of their suppliers were subjected to in China and other nations..."

It's right there Dave.

#34 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-17 12:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

#33 | Posted by Dalton

Nobody made any of those claims and you need learn the difference between being punished and being held accountable.

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#35 | Posted by Dave at 2014-06-17 01:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

So they haven't been held accountable either have they?

#36 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-17 01:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Just damn.

I take it back...your lack of reading/comprehension skills beats paneocon by a country mile.

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#37 | Posted by Dave at 2014-06-17 01:10 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

it seems perfectly legitimate to call Hobby Lobby hypcritical when they buy most of their merchandise from a nation known for forced abortions while objecting to allowing their health insurance provider to include birth control in the package offered to their employees.

#21 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2014-06-17 12:21 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Forget the fact that their health care plans had already included birth control in the past. It just seems to me their only objection to ACA is that Obama did it.

But their playing politics with their employees health is a "Christian" thing to do.

#38 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-17 01:11 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 4

Have you brainiacs considered what the world would look like if we didn't trade with China?

China's Human Rights Abuses 'Should Not Get In The Way' Of Trade Talks, Says UK Minister

Tory minister Michael Fallon has sparked an outcry from MPs and human rights groups after insisting that concerns about China's human rights abuses should not "get in the way" of commercial opportunities for Britain.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

I thought you libs liked fascist communist governments as long as they are yours.

#39 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-17 01:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

just to be clear, nobody here has a problem with products being made in China or wherever.

The issue here isn't imported good from China, it's about Hobby Lobby desiring to eliminate birth control from their plan on religious grounds.

nothing else matters....certainly not the imported goods tripe.

Apple makes umpteen times as much $$$ as does Hobby Lobby importing good from China, offshoring their money, etc...and the whiners here go out and buy Apple products constantly.

#40 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-17 01:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

#39 You just keep digging your hole don't you?

#41 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-17 01:15 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

nobody here has a problem with products being made in China or wherever.

The Great Ebnac has divined the answer!

#42 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-17 01:16 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

#38 | POSTED BY 726
Are freedom and choice tough concepts for you or is it only if the freedom and choice isn't the the same as yours?

#43 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-17 01:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Have you brainiacs considered what the world would look like if we didn't trade with China?

The 1950's.

#44 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-17 01:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

#41 | POSTED BY 726

:-)

#45 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-17 01:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

#42 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-17 01:16 PM | Reply | Flag: posted from Iphone

#46 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-17 01:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

#43 If you were so concerned about freedom you would not defend communist slave labor using freedom and choice.

#47 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-17 01:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

#40 | Posted by eberly

Apple's not demanding special treatment based on their "christian principals".

It's unlike you to be so intentionally obtuse.

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#48 | Posted by Dave at 2014-06-17 01:22 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

#47 | POSTED BY 726

It is my position that we have greater influence on human rights issues on active trading partners than those in isolation. I think China proves that.

#49 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-17 01:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

42 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-17 01:16 PM | Reply | Flag: posted from Iphone

#46 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2014-06-17 01:18 PM | FLAG:

Wrong again oh not so great soothsayer. Cannot stand Apple and their outdated technology and poorly manufactured products.

#50 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-17 01:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

It is my position that we have greater influence on human rights issues on active trading partners than those in isolation. I think China proves that.

#49 | POSTED BY PANEOCON AT 2014-06-17 01:23 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Tell that to the Chinese people. They could use a good laugh, if they don't choke on the air.

#51 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-17 01:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Apple's not demanding special treatment based on their "christian principals"."

Dave, you just proved my point. nobody, including you, cares about the imported products crap. the only thing that matters is the "Christian principals".

that sort of thing just steams folks like you and others who have a huge chip on their shoulder over anything "Christian".

#52 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-17 01:24 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#50

whatever....good luck selling that. in any case, you'll just buy stuff from someone else who imports it from somewhere.

stop pretending otherwise.

#53 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-17 01:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

#53 That is almost as funny as pretending to know everything about everyone here. Now that was ridiculous.

#54 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-17 01:26 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#52 | Posted by eberly

Sorry, Mr. Obtuse.

It's the hypocrisy, not the christian principals.

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#55 | Posted by Dave at 2014-06-17 01:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

and to clarify, while I believe in freedom of companies to have some flexibility in what they purchase in employee benefits, I think that ACA should NOT allow companies to delete coverage for birth control.

how did that work out for Hobby Lobby? were they able to delete the coverage?

#56 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-17 01:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

#55

well, everyone falls short on Christian principles so 100% of all christians are hypocrites.

so tell us again it's about the hypocrisy........

#57 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-17 01:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

how did that work out for Hobby Lobby? were they able to delete the coverage?

I don't think the SCOTUS has ruled on it yet.

My guess is that the court will make them keep it. I am sure the Health Care Lobby is much stronger than Hobby Lobby.

#58 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-17 01:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

#57 | Posted by eberly

(sigh)

Yeah...whatever, Dalton.

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#59 | Posted by Dave at 2014-06-17 01:53 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

everyone falls short on Christian principles

Especially Jews.

#60 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-17 01:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

"just to be clear, nobody here has a problem with products being made in China or wherever. "

Speak for yourself. I have huge problems with products being made in China, especially with the aggressiveness China is beginning to show towards its neighbors. We're financing their new navy and we will live to regret it.

#61 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-17 01:54 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"that sort of thing just steams folks like you and others who have a huge chip on their shoulder over anything "Christian"."

I think most of us had no problem with actual religious organizations being exempt but Hobby Lobby is a for profit corporation. I don't believe a corporation can have religious beliefs.

#62 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-17 01:55 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Dave you would not even know they were christian if the ACA hadn't forced them to be placed in the position of violating their religion by paying for abortions. They were happy creating jobs and growing their business before you clowns stuffed the cost of baby killing down their throats.

#19 | Posted by paneocon

They're already paying for baby killing by using Chinese facilities and paying Chinese taxes. They seem to have no problems when they support forced abortions, I guess their problem is in the freedom of choice.

#63 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2014-06-17 01:56 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 4

#63 It speaks volumes that their "Christian" principles are okay with them CHOOSING to do business in countries with forced abortions, but is suddenly outraged over being forced to provide birth control pills.

#64 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-17 02:11 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

I don't believe a corporation can have religious beliefs.

#62 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2014-06-17 01:55 PM | FLAG:

Corporations are people too.

#65 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-17 02:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I don't believe a corporation can have religious beliefs."

nor do I.

#66 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-17 03:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

I like that they close on Sundays, just like most businesses did years ago:

From their site: Why are you closed on Sundays?

We have chosen to close on the day most widely recognized as a day of rest, in order to allow our employees and customers more time for worship and family. This has not been an easy decision for Hobby Lobby because we realize that this decision may cost us financially. Yet we also realize that there are things more important than profits. This is a matter of principle for our company owner and officers.

#67 | Posted by MSgt at 2014-06-17 06:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

None of that crap matters. What matters is if it violates the owners beliefs.

#68 | Posted by tmaster at 2014-06-18 10:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

SO, what would a Christian do? Boycott Chinese products in protest? If Hobby Lobby stopped selling Chinese made products, that would help these poor laborers how? Oh yeah, the factories would shut down and they would get FIRED. No more low wages, No more ANY wages.

I am not a Christian, but I get tired of those who dig around looking for "evidence" of hypocrisy. Those who do so feel safe in the knowledge that their own gutless LACK of a moral or religious code keeps them safe from allegations of hypocrisy.

#69 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2014-06-18 12:27 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

MIRANDA7 the same argument was made about slavery in the old south.

#70 | Posted by Tor at 2014-06-18 12:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Here is a great article that was published as an answer to this topic article. The answer is from Russell Moore and is carried in its entirety. Here is one of the most relevant parts although I would suggest reading it in full:

The Christian moral tradition has always held a distinction between direct, personal involvement in sin and living in a world in which sin exists. Jesus and John the Baptist do not ask their followers to boycott the Roman Empire by refusing to serve as soldiers or tax collectors. They do tell them they must stop extorting and cheating (Lk. 3:12-14; 19:8-9). The Apostle Paul doesn't call Corinthian Christians to stop all economic activity in Corinth simply because there is idolatry and culture-sponsored prostitution there. But they are forbidden from, for instance, doing "commerce" with the temple prostitutes (1 Cor. 6:15). - See more at: jonathanmerritt.religionnews.c
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#71 | Posted by moomanfl at 2014-06-18 03:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Christian moral tradition has always held a distinction between direct, personal involvement in sin and living in a world in which sin exists.
#71 | Posted by moomanfl

There's a lot of difference between "living in a world in which sin exists" and supporting sin financially. It's the difference between walking by a brothel and patronizing one.

#72 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2014-06-18 04:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

So, tell me again which sin, according to the Bible since that is what Christianity is based on, that Hobby Lobby is supporting directly?

#73 | Posted by moomanfl at 2014-06-18 05:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Slave labor is much cheaper and Jesus spoke about how to treat your slaves in the Bible so Hobby Lobby is just following well know Christian traditions.

#1 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-17 11:02 AM | Reply

I seldom take anything at face value here, but after a loose and sloppy search of the New Testament, it appears Danni is correct; that us slaves has to serve Jeebus as well as the ol' Massah Jim. Who knew? Just find a Bible on the Internet, and search on "slave," and when you leave the Old Testament into Jeebusland of the New Testament, there's references galore!

#74 | Posted by john47 at 2014-06-19 12:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

I seldom take anything at face value here, but after a loose and sloppy search of the New Testament, it appears Danni is correct

Your first mistake was searching "loose and sloppy" in the Bible. You seemed to have missed the book of Philemon altogether.

Your second mistake was to think Danni is any kind of scholar or authority when it comes to Biblical knowledge.

Your third mistake was not being conversant with historical context in regards to the Bible.

There were many slaves in the Roman Empire. However the vast majority of those called slaves at the time would better be described today as indentured servants. Even then, God (and also Jesus) were not primarily concerned with earthly matters. Slavery was the law of the land, and thus was a matter for Cesar ("Give to Cesar what is Cesar's"). It was indeed possible to have a slave (or indentured servant) and still treat them with love, your culturally indoctrinated taboos aside.

However if you know the story of Paul, Philemon, and Onesimus you would understand that is preferred that Christians do not hold slaves. Paul just had to be delicate in the matter because he was already a prisoner at the time and Roman law dictated that Onesimus must be returned. Paul instead calls upon Philemon's Christianity to virtually order him in sweet words to release Onesimus from his servitude.

#75 | Posted by moomanfl at 2014-06-19 06:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh.... a reference to the above if you need it:

www.biblegateway.com

As a side note if you were a Christian and a slave you were expect, as with any earthly authority over you, to submit with love in as much as that authority didn't expect you to violate the orders of God.

#76 | Posted by moomanfl at 2014-06-19 06:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

This is the kind of stuff that makes you clowns inconsequential. 364 days a year you stuff your trunk with everything made in China and as soon as a company with Christian owners who sell Chinese goods gets your attention and it's all of a sudden they are the height of hypocrisy to do business with China.

#5 | Posted by paneocon

Those are some pretty thick callouses that can ignore the hypocrisy of a (so called) Christian company, complaining about a mandate to include birth control, purchasing their inventory from a country that has a history of mandating abortion. I'm not surprised that you're willing to overlook all of that for your own agenda though.

Do you have any idea how stupid your post looks?

#77 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-06-19 07:14 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I don't think the SCOTUS has ruled on it yet.

Correct, if the case is not decided by the end of this month it will be held over until sometime in the October 2014 term.

#78 | Posted by et_al at 2014-06-19 07:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

Those are some pretty thick callouses that can ignore the hypocrisy of a (so called) Christian company, complaining about a mandate to include birth control, purchasing their inventory from a country that has a history of mandating abortion.

Sorry, but Hobby Lobby has no control over the Chinese government and their laws. They are simply purchasing goods and keeping people in China in a job. That is hardly equivalent to being forced to pay for something they feel violates their religious beliefs. Do you even realize how stupid your post looks?

#79 | Posted by moomanfl at 2014-06-20 04:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

Lets put that another way? Can you complain about violations of your freedom of speech if you have bought any products made in China? By your own standard that would make you a blatant hypocrite. The same with freedom of the press, freedom of religion, political freedom, complaining about a police state.... the list goes on and on.

#80 | Posted by moomanfl at 2014-06-20 04:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

Good to hear from you again MOOMAN. I hope all is well with you and your family.

#81 | Posted by Twinpac at 2014-06-20 05:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

Sorry, but Hobby Lobby has no control over the Chinese government and their laws.... That is hardly equivalent to being forced to pay for something they feel violates their religious beliefs.

#79 | Posted by moomanfl

No, but they could avoid such hypocrisy by not purchasing goods from China... They're not being forced to purchase their inventory from the suppliers that violate their religious beliefs either.

Much as you'd like to believe Hobby Lobby's objection to the ACA is purely religious, this proves that said objection IS in fact political.

#82 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-06-20 12:19 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Much as you'd like to believe Hobby Lobby's objection to the ACA is purely religious, this proves that said objection IS in fact political.

I don't agree that there is hypocrisy. I think your claim is political.

As evidence what kind of phone do you use? Car you drive? Food you eat? Clothes you wear? Are there goods or components of those goods imported from China? Then you should refrain from commenting on this site or any other about violations of free speech, political freedom, human rights violations, election integrity, religious freedom, police brutality, using the military against civilians, governmental abuse of power, low wages for workers, etc.

To complain about any of those issues, by your standard, would actually make you DOUBLY a hypocrite since not only are you buying products from a country that engages in those practices, but you have also called out a company as a hypocrite for doing the same.

However, I would only consider you a hypocrite once: for calling out Hobby Lobby for something you are doing yourself.

#83 | Posted by moomanfl at 2014-06-20 03:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

"No, but they could avoid such hypocrisy by not proclaiming to be Christian..."

that's the issue. Anybody proclaiming to be Christian is going to open for charges of hypocrisy due to business practices.

I'll agree with most here that Hobby Lobby deserves the criticism, in part.

But all Christians fall short. So people need to get over it.....

#84 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-20 03:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

#83 | Posted by moomanfl

You keep trying to make this about someone other than Hobby Lobby.

I'm not the one who's acting selectively Christian. If Hobby Lobby has issues with birth control, they should have those issues at every level of their business. Not just when it's politically advantageous.

If Hobby Lobby wants to act Christian, they have a choice to stop buying Chinese inventory and to not pay ACA premiums. Both choices have consequences, but that's not my problem.

#85 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-06-20 07:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

You keep trying to make this about someone other than Hobby Lobby.

You can't step on the battlefield and then whine because someone took a swing at you. Quit whining. You are a hypocrite for calling them out when you also buy from China yet complain about issue China is also guilty of committing.

My ultimate point being:

1) Either you think that kind of alleged hypocrisy is ok, because you engage in it as well, in which case you are simply a disingenuous political hack.

Or

2) You don't actually think it is hypocrisy on their part and are just being a disingenuous political hack.

Either way it comes down to the same end. As for me personally, I don't think they are being hypocritical at all for reasons I stated in an earlier post. Even so, you remain a hypocrite for calling them out as being wrong for engaging in the same behavior you do.

#86 | Posted by moomanfl at 2014-06-20 08:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

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