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Tuesday, June 17, 2014

Paul Krugman: You should judge leaders by their achievements, not their press, and in terms of policy substance [President] Obama is having a seriously good year. In fact, there's a very good chance that 2014 will go down in the record books as one of those years when America took a major turn in the right direction. ... Obama's big achievements don't register with much of the Washington establishment: he was supposed to save the budget, not the planet, and somehow he was supposed to bring Republicans along. But who cares what centrists think? Health reform is a very big deal; if you care about the future, action on climate is a lot more important than raising the retirement age. And if these achievements were made without Republican support, so what?

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There are, I suppose, some people who are disappointed that Obama didn't manage to make our politics less bitter and polarized. But that was never likely. The real question was whether he (with help from Nancy Pelosi and others) could make real progress on important issues. And the answer, I'm happy to say, is yes, he could.

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Oh. Well then, there you go. He's a commie. Please disregard anything that he may say in his article cuz after all, he is a commie.

#1 | Posted by Sezu at 2014-06-17 12:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

It looks like Krugman is saying the people are too stupid to see Obama's greatness. He passed a large piece of legislation the ACA that he admits no knowing the long term effect. Republicans are awful people and while the financial reforms don't do enough we should all just be thankful of something. Pretty stupid article Krugman and I'm sorry I wasted the time to read it.

#2 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-17 01:47 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

#3 | POSTED BY DALTON

Obama's supposed to be able to perceive the future? HAHA! ACA is a calculated risk. We all know that. Some believe it was worth the risk. Obviously you and others disagree. Let's not be so unreasonable in our expectations.

#3 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-17 01:52 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Let's not be so unreasonable in our expectations.

#4 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-17 01:52 PMFlag: (Choose)
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Rsty, I merely pointed out what Krugman declared a success and unknown in the same article. Didn't say anything about what Obama should do or know.

#4 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-17 01:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

Let's not be so unreasonable in our expectations.

#4 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

Yeah, healing the planet is a tough act to follow.

#5 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-17 01:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

"there's a very good chance that 2014 will go down in the record books as one of those years when America took a major turn in the right direction"

yeah. i'm sure it will be in the guinness book-- right before the picture of the guy with the seventy foot mustache and after the page with those two fat guys riding motorcycles...

#6 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-17 01:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

He passed a large piece of legislation the ACA that he admits no knowing the long term effect.

-- DALTON

Apologies if I misinterpreted the above.

#7 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-17 01:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

"He passed a large piece of legislation the ACA that he admits no knowing the long term effect."

It is impossible to predict the long term effects of any large piece of legislation (small ones too). So, should we just never pass anything? Never do anything?

#8 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-17 02:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Apologies if I misinterpreted the above.

#8 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-17 01:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

I can see how you read it that way after I posted it. That's why I was so civil and well mannered in my response. To be clearer Krugman called it a success and then reminded us that no one including him knows how the law will play out. I find it odd to call it one of Obama's greatest accomplishments and turn around in the same article and admit we just don't know.

#9 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-17 02:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

krugman's "mission accomplished" moment.

#10 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-17 02:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

So, should we just never pass anything? Never do anything?

#9 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-17 02:03 PMFlag: (Choose)
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Good lord. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Pass or don't pass. Just that Krugman called it a major success and admitted that we don't know yet. So, we don't really know if it is a good law.

#11 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-17 02:05 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Oh. Well then, there you go. He's a commie. Please disregard anything that he may say in his article cuz after all, he is a commie.

#2 | Posted by Sezu

obummer is destroying this nation. If you think that is great then you might be a commie too. That is for you to decide.

#12 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-17 02:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

It is impossible to predict the long term effects of any large piece of legislation (small ones too).

#9 | Posted by danni

You are full of it too. Many predicted what would happen.

#13 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-17 02:10 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Obama's supposed to be able to perceive the future? HAHA! ACA is a calculated risk. - Rsty

Come on Rsty, "calculated"? Just a reminder, we had to pass it to see what was in it.

#14 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-06-17 02:11 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

It is impossible to predict the long term effects of any large piece of legislation (small ones too). So, should we just never pass anything? Never do anything?
#9 | POSTED BY DANNI

Preferably... but if you have to pass something, perhaps its should only solve the problem, just a thought.

#15 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-06-17 02:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

So, we don't really know if it is a good law.

#12 | Posted by Dalton

We know it is a better law than we had.

And yes...it was a Big F-ing Deal.

You wingnuts have no problem going to wars which have tremendous costs and unexpected consequences. But, you wring your hands and worry about the possible costs and unexpected consequences of better health care and health insurance reform.

Pretty sick party you have there.

It was a major success that the Republicans were unable to roll back.

Oops! Too bad for you. Good for America.

Will they be able to undo all the good that has been done?

Not likely.

Will they be able to agree on solutions to reasonably fix any problems that crop up and not try and use them to bash Obama?

Also...Not likely.

#16 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-17 02:15 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Overseas we look weaker than liberal family's kid playing dodgeball...

At home we got "Rope and Chain" instead of Hope and Change.

But Obama did move up from curling 4# dumbells to curling 5#ers.. so maybe it was good year...

#17 | Posted by aescal at 2014-06-17 02:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Donner, your mistaken in how you are reading my comments. I'm not commenting on anything but, Krugman's article. Argue with him b/c he is the one that admits that no one knows the impact ACA will have long term. Right in that very article he called it a success.

#18 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-17 02:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Dalton

You said "So, we don't really know if it is a good law."

But, we do know it is a good law. And better than what we had before. Is it a perfect law?

Of course, not. Don't let the perfect stand in the way of the good.

"he is the one that admits that no one knows the impact ACA will have long term. Right in that very article he called it a success."

Because it IS LOOKING like a success. In spite of EVERY EFFORT of Republicans.

Success in overcoming EVERY single obstacle placed in the way of health care reform by the Party of NO! (Health Care Reform). Success in improving access to health care. Success in containing costs.

"We don't yet have a full picture of the impact of reform on the previously uninsured, but no one knows. "

That is NOT what he said, he said,

"We don't yet have a full picture of the impact of reform on the previously uninsured, but all the information we do have indicates major progress."

In todays political environment major progress means success.

He didn't say "no one knows" anywhere in the article.

YOU said that.

#19 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-17 03:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Some believe it was worth the risk."

yeah, but those folks know a collective zilch about risk. they are just waving pom poms.

#20 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-17 03:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't know about Obama, but I'm having a GREAT year.

Isn't everyone?

#21 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-17 03:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

"That's why I was so civil and well mannered in my response.
#10 | Posted by Dalton"

And humble. You forgot humble.

#22 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2014-06-17 04:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

Krugman: It's been a great year for Obama. For instance, he's really hitting the gym. That turned me o...never mind. But it's a great year for him. I started yet another fan club for him. I'm the president of it. This ones got a little more adult content.
In closing, his year is great, and so is he.

#23 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-06-17 04:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

And humble. You forgot humble.

#23 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2014-06-17 04:43 PM | Reply | Flag

Thanks Monte!

#24 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-17 04:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

Your kidding. Not sure what news he has been watching the USSR CNN digest.

#25 | Posted by tmaster at 2014-06-17 09:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Preferably... but if you have to pass something, perhaps its should only solve the problem, just a thought."

When the problem is complex you need complex solutions. The adage that the states are the laboratories of democracy was a good reason to believe that Obamacare would be successful and, so far, it has been very successful. Thanks Mitt.

#26 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-17 09:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Mitt Romney thought his best path to the Presidency was to run against his single greatest political achievement. All that said about Mitt was that he was really a hack, willing to support or oppose anything his handlers told him would benefit his campaign. He was a fool to do so, he could have won by claiming Obamacare as Romneycare.

#27 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-17 09:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

Considering the GOP have been obstructing everything the president does, he's having a great year and even better presidency.

Why provide healthcare like every other first world nation when you can start endless wars that make your friends rich, right GOP?

Now tell me who will be remembered for greatness, and who will be remembered as a war criminal?

You know the answer, but are afraid to look into the rotten GOP soul and see the evil.

Obama will go down as one of the greatest, while even the GOP's brain dead poster boy Reagan is now seen as the criminal he was.

#28 | Posted by drewl at 2014-06-18 08:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Obama will go down as one of the greatest,..."

Absolutely! And thirty-five percent of the nation agrees with you! Just think about it, the economy is humming like a well-oiled machine, great jobs are as plentiful as grains of sand on the beach, gas prices are down, the oceans are no longer rising, not a "smidgen" of corruption in the IRS, Bin Laden is dead and all is smooth with GM, peace reigns in the Middle East, the "reset" with Russia has been a notable success, veterans are all receiving excellent care, he got back an honorable prisoner from the Taliban with excellent negotiations, and everybody in the world loves and celebrates the U.S. now. There's just not enough bandwidth for me to extol his virtues and success here so I'll just tell you...excellent evaluation on your part!

#30 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-06-18 11:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

He passed a large piece of legislation the ACA that he admits no knowing the long term effect.
#3 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-17 01:47 PM

So, how are you feeling these days about the Patriot Act? "Nobody" could have forseen the consequences of that, either?

#31 | Posted by morris at 2014-06-18 02:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Good lord. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Pass or don't pass. Just that Krugman called it a major success and admitted that we don't know yet. So, we don't really know if it is a good law.

#12 | POSTED BY DALTON AT 2014-06-17 02:05 PM | REPLY | FLAG:STAY IN THE PRESENT
All this no one knows what will happen is a load of crap. It is just a low level whine made of sour grapes.

It was a major success even in the present tense. If you consider all the resistance he has gotten over the past three years before it was fully implemented. Then this year how me managed to pull it from the fire of a rocky start. Not only did it survive that it also managed to meet and exceed expectations. It did so in spite of the clowns 57 repeal votes and government shut down. It is now a reality. Obama made it happen and you're not gonna change that.

FACT: Obama kicked some serious @$$. (again)

The republiclowns got to demonstrate what a bumbling pack of losers they are. (again)

#32 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2014-06-18 11:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

aca has not been fully implemented and the fact you think that precludes me even commenting.

AFTER the election...one of the 36 ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL changes....when ALL of the employers start canceling insurance plans, let's see what happens.

AND NOW there are union members demonstrating about a part of it NOW COMING out where members of the gaming and hosts and careers like that are getting hosed by union bosses. so the 'surprises' continue to keep on coming and I for one hope each of those who voted for obama are the first ones begging on the street corners.

#33 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-06-19 05:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

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#34 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2014-06-19 09:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

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