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Monday, June 16, 2014

Peter Bergen: ISIS, the brutal insurgent/terrorist group formerly known as al Qaeda in Iraq, has seized much of western and northern Iraq and even threatens towns not far from Baghdad. From where did ISIS spring? One of George W. Bush's most toxic legacies is the introduction of al Qaeda into Iraq, which is the ISIS mother ship. If this wasn't so tragic it would be supremely ironic, because before the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003, top Bush officials were insisting that there was an al Qaeda-Iraq axis of evil.

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"The committee also found that "most of the contacts cited between Iraq and al Qaeda before the war by the intelligence community and policy makers have been determined not to have occurred.""

Another example of Mission Accomplished!

#1 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-16 08:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

Take a guess at which President in recent years facilitated his own government and its supposed allies training, funding and arming groups that later joined the ISIS and made them what they are today? To help you with that, it wasn't Bush.

#2 | Posted by daniel_3 at 2014-06-16 08:52 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

I think the meta-lesson here is that the U.S. almost never comes out ahead when it gets adventurous in foreign lands. Regardless of which party is in power.

You'd think we'd learn, but apparently the American people are collectively too stupid.

#3 | Posted by DoofusOfDeath at 2014-06-16 09:03 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

it was easy to hate bush. he's eminently hateable.

it takes more shrewdness and savvy to hate obama. he's pulled the wool over so many people's eyes in ways that bush couldn't even dream of doing.

#4 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-16 09:06 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"training, funding and arming groups that later joined the ISIS"

Any specifics on what sort of training, how much money, and which groups? My guess is the charge is heavy on generalities and light on specifics.

I do know that Obama's been blasted by the ODS crowd for (a) not helping Syrian rebels and (b) helping Syrian rebels.

Bergen's point is not particularly nuanced: AQ and other jihadi outfits enjoyed no serious presence in Iraq before Bush launched his war of choice.

The big winners of that fiasco? Iran, of course. But that was then and this now, and now the Iranians are staring into the maws of a gazillion ISIS guys and their supporters - but supporters for who knows how long? - who regard the Iranians as, at best, apostates.

World's a funny place.

#5 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2014-06-16 09:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

The leap from third world to fist world status cannot include religion. When religion takes over, countries go from second world status back to third.

Until everyone understands this fact, we will continue to get hurt by these animals.

#6 | Posted by boaz at 2014-06-16 09:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

Obama has put Iraq on cruise control in the hopes when it implodeds, everyone will continue to blame Bush, which they will. But he still doesn't understand it's been six years since then and he is hoping no one will ask what HE has done...

#7 | Posted by boaz at 2014-06-16 09:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

I do know that Obama's been blasted by the ODS crowd for (a) not helping Syrian rebels and (b) helping Syrian rebels.

#5 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2014

Yes, just like he was blasted for helping Libyan rebels and not helping Libyan rebels.

A pattern emerges.

#8 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-16 09:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

"What HE has done"?

Better to ask, what the hell has Nouri al-Maliki been doing - other than sticking it to Sunnis?

I have a very hard time believing ISIS has the manpower for what's going on at the moment - not unless former Iraqi military and Reawakening types have thrown their lot in with them for at least the short game part of this very, very long game. And if that's the case, the additional manpower is almost certainly attributable to Maliki's abyssal, uber-sectarian performance as prime minister.

#9 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2014-06-16 09:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

everyone will continue to blame Bush, which they will.

#7 | Posted by boaz at 2014-06-16 09:25 AMFlag: (Choose)
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Of course they will, BOAZ. He was that bad. In olden times, a leader might express shame by taking vows and entering monastic life.

I've never heard Bush express regret for what he did to all of us. You're one of the people he needs to apologize to, personally.

#10 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-16 09:51 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

"I've never heard Bush express regret for what he did to all of us"

he's not going to express regret to you nor I, Zed.

who knows what he has done personally.

except you of course.....

#11 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-16 09:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

When religion takes over, countries go from second world status back to third.
#6 | Posted by boaz

Tell that to all the Republicans trying to make this a Christian nation.

#12 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2014-06-16 09:56 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 4

"Tell that to all the Republicans trying to make this a Christian nation."

It's worth noting that they are failing at that endeavor.

so....celebrate!!

#13 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-16 09:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

who knows what he has done personally.

#11 | Posted by eberly at 2014

I and virtually every member of my community get to see what Bush has done, personally, every day.

Some get angry over it, as I do. Some shrug their shoulders. Some work at forgiveness.

It would help the forgiveness along if George W. Bush weren't so much like a hit and run driver who redid the paint job on his hot rod and now acts like we're all even.

#14 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-16 10:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

The pattern, which eclipses any particular president, is find a leader who will at least superficially cooperate and further US interests.
This leader should be well known in the local area but not necessarily supported by a significant percentage of the population.
The leader ultimately becomes autocratic and corrupt and uses the "techniques" taught by advisers to control the opposition, real or imagined.
The US then either abandons the leader or plots his removal.

Iraq was going to end this way regardless whether we stayed for another 10 years or not.
Hussein was our ally in the Iraq/Iran war, and while a bloody dictator was at least a secular leader in an area which is and has been a seething religious war zone for centuries.

Afghanistan will go the same way, as went the British and Russians so goes the US.

#15 | Posted by kingcuke at 2014-06-16 10:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Some get angry over it, as I do."

yeah, we know. you vomit your hostility and anger here everyday now.

Bush doesn't care, probably. At least not about you, Zed.

my suggestion......get over it....or at least stop whining.

Or, is that you believe Bush has done more to you than to me? who knows...maybe he has...just wanting to clarify.

#16 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-16 10:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

"But he still doesn't understand it's been six years since then and he is hoping no one will ask what HE has done..."

Baloney. He is quite proud of what he has done, he has brought our troops out of Iraq just like he promised to do, the neocons are now upset because they had planned on the US remaining in Iraq permanently, why else do you think they built the largest embassy in the world which we are presently evacuating?
Sorry to disappoint the neocons but America does not want a permanent army stationed in Iraq.

#17 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-16 10:10 AM | Reply | Flag:


yeah, we know. you vomit your hostility and anger here everyday now.

#16 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-

What has to happen before you get mad, EBERLY? Microwave your poodle?

#18 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-16 10:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

my suggestion......get over it....

#16 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06

I'll get over it eventually. Then again, I still own my limbs and brain matter, unlike more than few veterans.

I wonder when they'll get over it?

#19 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-16 10:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

why else do you think they built the largest embassy in the world which we are presently evacuating?

I pointed this out along time ago...

Sorry to disappoint the neocons but America does not want a permanent army stationed in Iraq.
#17 | POSTED BY DANNI

You are going to wish we did......

You see events are interconnected, they aren't just isolated.

What would have to happen to make Obama evacuate a golf course?

A fundraiser.......

#20 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-06-16 10:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

You are going to wish we did......

#20 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 20

You guys are only going to want a continued presence in Iraq if there's a Democratic president available to blame later.

Are you conceding a Hillary victory in 2016?

#21 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-16 10:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

"You are going to wish we did...... "

i am really really really really quite tired of imbecilic right wingers who constantly feel the urge to say extremely extremely extremely stupid stuff in order to make the not-quite-as-stupid liberals sound like they are actually making some kind of sense.

#22 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-16 10:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

You are going to wish we did......

#20 | Posted by AndreaMackris

Hey, I'm all for it, as long as you pay for it.

#23 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2014-06-16 10:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

"I wonder when they'll get over it?"

I don't know. Get over what? their injuries or the chip on your shoulder?

leave them to their injuries, Zed. don't rub your obsession into it, for their sake.

#24 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-16 10:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

The ISIS attack was carefully planned and executed with the usual funding from Saudi Arabia.

Most Americans only value themselves, especially Conservatives. Thus, killing 500,000 Iraqi children on account of sanctions and then displacing 4.5 million Iraqis and murdering probably 1 million innocent Iraqi civilians during our invasion was worth it. After all they're only Arabs. We also destroyed their infrastructure including water, sewer and electricity. We tried to preserve oil producing facilities, but those proved to be easy targets for counter insurgents.

But not everyone. As far as Colin Powell was concerned if we broke it (and we did) we owned it. That is a moral position, unusual for a Government official to invoke.

#25 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-06-16 11:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

"The ISIS attack was carefully planned and executed with the usual funding from Saudi Arabia"

that is what al-maliki, a shia, alleges, but is it really true? or is it yet another media parrot?

saudi is an avowed enemy of iran, which is mostly shia. so there's your motive for al-maliki to blame them.

most money that goes to support these types of groups are normally funneled through kuwait, and sent by "private" donors.

in fact, that is how america funnels money to its preferred militant groups ;)

actually, what you are seeing are the baathists, who bided their time, let loose again.

it comes down to sykes-picot. the unraveling of the british empire continues...

#26 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-16 11:26 AM | Reply | Flag:

Gee. Who could have predicted this would result from an unthought-out elective invasion of a country that was not any imminent threat whatsoever to the US? Thanks Georgie. (Anyone tell you lately you should be in prison as a war crimnal?)

#27 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-06-16 11:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

Andrew McCarthy weighs in:

I've just written Faithless Execution, a book positing that there is such a solid legal case of high crimes and misdemeanors committed by the president that the time is ripe to build a political case for his impeachment. I have argued, moreover, that the president's policy of appeasing and empowering Islamic supremacists has been a national-security catastrophe, catalyzing a jihadist resurgence across the Middle East.

It is pretty safe to say I am no fan of Barack Obama's. But it is just as safe to say that for Beltway Republicans to blame Obama alone for the implosion of Iraq -- which is now being overrun by the same Sunni jihadists those Republicans have championed in Syria and Libya -- is shameful.

Look, I will stipulate that the president's signature recklessness is abundantly evident in Iraq. He heedlessly withdrew U.S. forces, making no effort to preserve the security gains they achieved in routing al-Qaeda, even as it became obvious that the withdrawal had evaporated those gains and invited the terror network to return with a vengeance.

Still, it was not Obama who agreed to the withdrawal schedule. It was President Bush. And it was not Obama who turned Iraq into an Islamic-supremacist state seething with anti-American and anti-Semitic hatred. Long before Obama came to power, Iraq was an Islamist country, rife with Sunni and ----- militants who agreed on little else besides their devotion to sharia and their abhorrence of the West.


You can read the whole piece here:

www.nationalreview.com

It's a pretty scathing article toward Bush and the necons' Iraq folly

#28 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-16 12:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's a pretty scathing article toward Bush and the necons' Iraq folly

#28 | Posted by JeffJ

Sure, written by a person who more than likely was bleating: "You're either with us or against us." back in 2003.

Sorry, too little too late.

#29 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2014-06-16 12:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

"that is what al-maliki, a shia, alleges, but is it really true? or is it yet another media parrot?"

He replaced Sunnis in high positions in the military and the government with Shia so I would say he is Shia. Obama advised him that he need to create a more inclusive government and bring in Sunnis but Malaki said he knew what he was doing. Malaki also refused to compromise in the new security agreement which could have allowed Obama to keep troops in Iraq and he refused. This disaster is Malaki's foolishness and he is going to pay a big price for it.

#30 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-16 12:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

www.nationalreview.com

Look, I will stipulate that the president's signature recklessness is abundantly evident in Iraq. He heedlessly withdrew U.S. forces, making no effort to preserve the security gains they achieved in routing al-Qaeda, even as it became obvious that the withdrawal had evaporated those gains and invited the terror network to return with a vengeance.

www.cnn.com

Obama opposed the 2003 invasion of Iraq while still a state legislator in Illinois and ran for president on a platform of ending that war. But with the 2011 deadline nearing, his administration -- which took office after the agreement was signed -- tried to make arrangements with Iraq to keep between 3,000 and 5,000 Americans in the country to help train Iraqi security forces.

Those talks failed when the Iraqis refused to grant legal immunity for U.S. troops, and the last U.S. convoy left Iraq in December 2011. Obama touted that as a promise kept, saying Americans would be leaving "with their heads held high."

#31 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-06-16 12:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Obama advised him that he need to create a more inclusive government and bring in Sunnis but Malaki said he knew what he was doing. Malaki also refused to compromise in the new security agreement which could have allowed Obama to keep troops in Iraq and he refused. This disaster is Malaki's foolishness and he is going to pay a big price for it."

the hand washing in this paragraph is quite astounding...

#32 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-16 01:53 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Get over what? their injuries or the chip on your shoulder?

leave them to their injuries, Zed. don't rub your obsession into it, for their sake.

#24 | Posted by eberly at

We live in different worlds, EBERLY. I imagine yours is cave-like, making it easy to leave other persons in their misery.

Relationships imply certain things in terms of feelings and behaviors. Apparently that strikes you as being shallow.

#33 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-16 01:59 PM | Reply | Flag:


leave them to their injuries, Zed. don't rub your obsession into it, for their sake.

#24 | Posted by eberly at

Your post makes me realize why we find it so easy to get over the pain of war, and have a another one.

We leave the wounded to their injuries and the rest of us.....Well, I guess your position is that we forget about them.

#34 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-16 02:03 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#35 | Posted by eberly at 2014

Politics is what ate them, EBERLY. Bitch at me all you want for pointing that out. Its only the truth.

#36 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-16 03:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

no, Zed.....bullets and bombs got them.

not politics. if you don't believe me....ask one of them.

but my guess is that you won't.

#37 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-16 03:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

There is no greater victem to politics than the one who serves the country's interest over thier own.

Thier lives are entirely at the whim of "politics", the politicians, and the ideologs who feed and impower them.

Blood on your hands

#38 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-06-16 03:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

who are you talking to, cocosamville?

#39 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-16 03:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

The strawman.

#40 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-06-16 03:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

"the hand washing in this paragraph is quite astounding..."

Call it what you want if it makes you feel better but it's just the truth, I guess some just can't handle it.

#41 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-16 03:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

You'd think we'd learn, but apparently the American people are collectively too stupid.

That's not the problem. Because of the all volunteer military, the American people have pretty much been isolated from the fighting. Had there been a draft, the American people would have rose up and put a stop to this nonsense long ago.

Bring back the draft.

#42 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2014-06-16 03:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I guess some just can't handle it."

yep. YOU.

the bush administration was blaming al-maliki back in 2006 for their failures. sound familiar? now the hand washing of the obama administration is doing the same. same argument, different year.

the two political parties and their mealy-mouthed constituents all seem to think that it all too easy-- al-maliki didn't take their sage advice and now the mess is squarely on his shoulders.

typical arrogance by the american political left and right. and now it's the left's turn.

www.cato.org

#43 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-16 04:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Take a guess at which President in recent years facilitated his own government and its supposed allies training, funding and arming groups that later joined the ISIS and made them what they are today? To help you with that, it wasn't Bush.

#2 | POSTED BY DANIEL_3 AT 2014-06-16 08:52 AM | REPLY | FLAG:TRICK QUESTION

Any specifics on what sort of training, how much money, and which groups? My guess is the charge is heavy on generalities and light on specifics.
....
World's a funny place.

#5 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS AT 2014-06-16 09:16 AM | REPLY | FLAG:GOOD POINT

Here's some specifics Doc.
When Salem bin Laden Dubyas biz partner and Usamas half bro died 1988 airplane crash, in Texas, his interest in Arbusto passed to Khalid bin Mahfouz.
Mahfouzwho also owned several huge swaths of Texas was a big donor to Usama and set up several "charitable organizations" used fronts to collect money and fund al Queda. He is also named a terrorist financier by the United Nations.

More of the backgound hen Arbusto was going broke Dadd-eh Bush took over as VP but was unable to save it so they merged with Spectrum 7 and daddy got to be CEO and Chairman and after continued losses was munched by Harken which eventually was bought up by some Saudis who were later part of an international bank scandal. Bush dumped his shares and was also up for securities investigation.

all in a days work in Crawford... what I am getting at is... yeah... that fantabulous circular firing squad that was Iraq its still the Bush family... and it has been for years... like at least 7 decades.

#44 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2014-06-16 07:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

worst
president
ever

We told you, over and over but the idiot GOP would not listen and things turned out exactly like we knew they would.

Why is it the GOP can do so many illegal things to destroy this nation, and still keep getting away with it?

It's a pathetic shame.

#45 | Posted by drewl at 2014-06-17 08:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

"no, Zed.....bullets and bombs got them (veterans)."

Oh, EBERLY.......And what sent the bullets and the bombs?

#46 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-17 09:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

....ask one of them (veterans).

but my guess is that you won't.

#37 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-16 03:17 PM | Re

I have asked them, within the bounds of respect and decorum.

I've noted that you are true child of these internets: An intense concern for something is interpreted as no concern at all.

I don't like being modern enough to be like you.

#47 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-17 09:27 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1


ended italics.

#48 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-17 09:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

Well, Obummer is starting to put "boots" back on the ground in Iraq. Of course, they're not really "boots" since they're "security" people.

#49 | Posted by matsop at 2014-06-17 09:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

"And what sent the bullets and the bombs?"

people in the military, of course. Geez...you are really in outer space.

"I have asked them, within the bounds of respect and decorum."

exactly...what did you ask them?.

you can try and be honest for once Zed....for once.

#50 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-17 09:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

Partisanship is a shell game. Both serve the same fascisti. Both parties support the same fascist policies.

#51 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-06-17 10:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Partisanship is a shell game. Both serve the same fascisti. Both parties support the same fascist policies."

he-he. this one goes out to you, shawn:

www.youtube.com

#52 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-17 11:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

This was inevitable. The Sunni and Shiite hate one another and they were fighting while we were there. Of course when we leave all Hell is going to break loose. We all knew that. We destabilized the Middle East and our further involvement is not going to correct that; only make it worse.

I said in 2003 that, with our help, Iran finally won the Iran-Iraq war. Our involvement is not wanted nor needed. All we will do is make it worse and put off what is going to happen regardless.

#53 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-06-17 11:10 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

you can try and be honest for once Zed....for once.

#50 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-17 09:

I'm always honest, EBERLY. That you don't recognize that could be a fault in this medium. More likely its a fault in you.

I have different experiences in life than you do. Its not really such a radical notion.

#54 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-17 12:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I have different experiences in life than you do"

I have no idea what this means.

can you explain that assertion?

#55 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-17 12:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

can you explain that assertion?

#55 | Posted by eberly at 2014-

Yes.

#56 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-17 12:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

Tell that to all the Republicans trying to make this a Christian nation.

#12 | Posted by TFDNihilist

You mean like we were 200 years ago? Maybe even 50 years ago.

#57 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-17 02:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

upset because they had planned on the US remaining in Iraq permanently,

#17 | Posted by danni

You mean like we are in Japan, Germany, and S. Korea?

#58 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-17 02:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

#22 | Posted by NerfHerder

You should get that stutter fixed.

#59 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-17 02:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

can you explain that assertion?

#55 | Posted by eberly at 2014-

Yes.

#56 | Posted by Zed

Who can argue with THAT explination?

#60 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-17 02:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Let zed argue with it.

#61 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-17 02:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Uh oh, the reports from friends and family are leaking out!

GW has been drinking heavily roaming the halls in his underwear screaming "why did I listen to Dick" and "I've ruined everything"

Family doctors have been called in to sedate him as he is on a suicide watch.

#62 | Posted by drewl at 2014-06-18 08:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

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